Linux-Advocacy Digest #695, Volume #26 Fri, 26 May 00 07:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Will Linux run MSDOS programs (Terry Porter)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Ray)
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Ray)
Re: vote on MS split-up ("Jim Ross")
Re: Linux vs. Solaris Intel (Martin)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Ray)
Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0 ("Jim Ross")
Re: You have never seen Linux like this ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul E. Larson))
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Mark Wilden)
Re: vote on MS split-up (Krist van Besien)
Re: Ten Reasons Why Linux Sucks (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Mark Wilden)
Re: You have never seen Linux like this (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Wintrolls! M$ will get the blade. (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Will Linux run MSDOS programs
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 26 May 2000 15:17:04 +0800
On Thu, 25 May 2000 07:09:50 GMT, Donald Bayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I still have a couple of DOS programs that run under NT, but I have to
>switch to the desktop in order to print. Does Linux support DOS
>programs? I understand Linux supports some windows programs and that
>there is a commercial program, LIN4WIN as I recall, that will likely run
>all my windows programs.
Yes, DOSEMU will run many dos programs, using either msdos or freedos.
I have used it since 1997 (ver 0.66.1), however I have been mostly dos app free
for about a year now, I still use it to check a parts suppliers catalogue
that runs from a msdos exe file.
>
>P.S. Only :advocates need respond; I am not interested in anything
>simon77 has to say on the subject.
>
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Kind Regards
Terry
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Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:26:10 GMT
No-Spam (Terry Porter) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>No need to ask Wintroll, people are trying Linux every day, and usually
>they
> LOVE it.
I tried it, I don't love it. I don't plan to give up Windows 98 SE any time
soon, as there are too many things I'd have to leave behind.
>>Try Linux, please try it. Decide for yourself. And then please come
>>back here and post your experiences with Linux.
>They do all the time, rave reviews are common for Linux.
Not from me!
>>If you like Linux, great, you have found a new life. If you hate
>>Linux, let us know why.
>If you like Linux, your mind is probably free of blinkers, unlike
>"simple_simon" the Wintroll.
Ah insults. The only way it would seem Linux advocates try to win their
arguments. "Wintroll" and the implication that anyone who isn't blinkered
is going to like Linux.
Hey, I'm not blinkered and I'm not madly in love with Linux like you are! I
see its faults (all too clearly) just as I see the faults in Windows 98 SE!
>>Try Linux and see for yourself....
>They do all the time, Wintroll. Years before you started posting people
>were trying Linux, I was one, and in 1997 I went Linux full time, sold
>my Win95 CD and have never looked back.
>
>Linux rules, you sorry excuse for a Wintroll.
Linux rules? Hah! Linux lags! I want a decent GUI - it seems I have to have
BOTH KDE and Gnome to get all the configuration tools (unless I want to
scrabble around the multitude of text files configuring the system). I want
to be able to use my Epson printer at 1400x720 DPI, instead of 360x360 on
Linux. I want my network card to work (works on one machine but not
another, huh?). I want my sound card to work, I mean, how common does it
have to be? SoundBlaster has been around a LONG time, yet I had enough
trouble getting that to work! The driver running AHA1510, AHA1520 SCSI
cards is the same one I saw years ago, what progress there? Oh dear, do I
have to use my AHA2940 to get support?
Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: 26 May 2000 07:33:12 GMT
>But of course that's too much like making sense. You can't even get a
>dot-matrix anymore. Noisy as fuck in a production run
What's weird is that an Epson 440 inkjet I know vibrates more than the
Panasonic 2135 dot-matrix it replaced. (It's admittedly quieter, but you expect
it to start waddling across the room)
>My old Epson dot-matrix bit the dust recently, which is why I put
>into use that brain-dead inkjet.
My condolances.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:31:27 GMT
On Fri, 26 May 2000 04:04:02 GMT, Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>But of course that's too much like making sense. You can't even get a
>dot-matrix anymore.
Sure you can, lots of busineses still use them. How else do you print to
multi-part forms?
--
Ray
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:39:49 GMT
On Thu, 25 May 2000 01:56:35 +0000, Steven Fosdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>Maybe it will have to be done in software, but that doesn't mean you have to
>write the software to do it. Check out the Printing Howto as referred to earlier
>as there is bound to be a way to tell the print spooler to put the CRs in.
Indeed it's about a two line shell script used as a print filter. Some
people think printing on Linux sucks but the flexability that print filters
provide has saved my butt more than once. Actually, if he can get the list
of excape codes for his printer chances are there is one to change it's
behavior rather than having to fix the files being fed to it.
--
Ray
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: vote on MS split-up
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 03:46:35 -0400
ajam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Gerald Willmann wrote:
>
> > CNN is conducting a poll whether MS should be split up and if yes into
how
> > many parts. Please take a minute to vote for a good cause.
> >
> > -> http://cnnfn.com/poll/microsoft_breakup.html
> >
> > thanks, Gerald
> >
> > --
>
> This is like the Soviet Union. Now that it is not a direct threat, we
have a
> zillion people to worry about. Regardless, if it is M$ or someone else,
you
> always are going to have someone controlling most of the market. I
prefer
> to deal with an enemy that I know well, than one that I don't plus a
zillion
> creeping everywhere! My personal opinion is that M$ should be nailed big
> time, and regulated left and right, but a break up really won't solve
much!
>
A three way breakup would change everything.
Why the worry?
If Linux is good, that the most important thing.
Jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin )
Subject: Re: Linux vs. Solaris Intel
Date: Fri, 26 May 00 07:56:24 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <8gis6a$shp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Martin wrote:
>> Pros for Solaris :
>>
>> It is pretty much the "industry standard" for Unix.
>
>(_Commercial_ unix!)
>
>> You will see Solaris fans argue that it is more reliable than Linux,
>> to which the Linux advocates will retort that their boxes have run
>> for the last twelve months without a crash or reboot. I have to say
>> that I have never seen either fail, but to put that in context, I
>> have seen Solaris run under enormous loads on massive servers without
>> blinking. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of large Sun servers
>> round the world, demonstrably turning in high levels of reliability
>> under extreme load
>
>But most of them are running on Sparcs, with Sun's own (very fine)
>hardware. Are there examples for x86 Solaris?
>
That is quite true - I doubt that there are any major Solaris sites running on
x86 hardware. However, if you build on Solaris, you do have the option of
moving up to large SPARC machines at very little effort if you outgrow the
x86.
Martin (trying very hard to be objective and not start a flame war!)
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Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:07:11 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T. Blake) writes:
> George Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 23 May 2000 13:07:01 GMT, David T. Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> The right is non-exlusive. That means everyone can get that right. I
> > >> think TrollTech is just trying to prevent forking of the Qt library
> > >> here.
> I did not write this. Please set your attributions properly.
They are. You have to count `>'s.
> Note followups.
Done. Reply by email if you want me to see it.
--
Eric P. McCoy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
non-combatant, n. A dead Quaker.
- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:07:15 GMT
On 25 May 2000 13:41:12 -0700, s@- <s@-> wrote:
>
>That is exactly what a bug-tracking system do.
>
>A bug-tracking system is a vehicle to manage progress towards solving
>a defect in a product.
>
>Communication between interested party about the specific bug is done
>via this system. This way, all communications, information, and
>final resolution is kept in one centralized place for ever and is
>not lost.
This sounds quite a bit like the kernel mailing list.
--
Ray
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 03:49:27 -0400
>
> >> Fonts look terrible (but they always did on X - where's font anti
> >> aliasing?)
> >
> >http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/FDU.html
>
> I'll take a look at this.
>
> Pete
I hear we might have AA by 2002.
That's makes me think I'll be using NT until at least 2002.
Jim
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From: whistler@<blahblah>twcny.rr.com (Paul E. Larson)
Subject: Re: You have never seen Linux like this
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:48:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Drestin Black"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I love it - guy posts a job opportunity - the very idea of a paid linux
>programmer - and he is told to fuck off (politely) and is kill -filed..
>
Nope - guy posts a job oppurtunity 8 or 9 times - and he is told to fuck off
(politely) and is kill -filed.. You forgot reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>yep, the linux community - it's own worse enemy!
>
>"Nicholas Murison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Please fuck off
>> --
>> Nicholas John Murison
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Don't mess with penguins
>> Registered Linux User #153895 http://counter.li.org
>
>
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:53:29 +0100
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> I meant "Linus". It's an engineering decision intended to previde code
> becoming too stiff and old. Any kernel interface can change anytime.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that, actually. It's an XP
tenet to 'embrace change' rather than try to restrain it with
over-specification.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
From: Krist van Besien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: vote on MS split-up
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:33:03 GMT
ajam wrote:
> My personal opinion is that M$ should be nailed big
> time, and regulated left and right, but a break up really won't solve much!
You mean you want the governement to step in and actually save
Microsoft?
Krist
--
Actually, Microsoft is sort of a mixture between the Borg and the
Ferengi.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Ten Reasons Why Linux Sucks
Date: 26 May 2000 10:04:07 GMT
In article <CuoV4.138$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At the Linux Business Expo at Comdex, someone I can't remeber his
> name was giving a talk who was from CodeWeavers. They use Wine, but
> focus on the porting of Windows apps to Linux. He mentioned the
> missing calls that are powerful in the Windows API that are missing
> from Linux, thus causing many problems. He mentioned the name of a
> call specificaly which I can't remember (hey I don't program), but
> it was basically a "wait for multiple events" thread that Linux
> lacks and it hinders porting.
I think it is called WaitForMultipleObjects() or something like that,
and it is a sort of select() analog, though with annoying differences
(NT can't wait for everything you can wait for with Linux - or any
other Unix for that matter - and vice versa) and this makes porting
*either way* between the two quite difficult. Especially if there
isn't non-blocking I/O support for the thing in question (ISTR this
causing significant problems with the port of Tcl to NT...)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
-- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:49:06 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> you don't get it, do you? Linux is developed by thousands of hackers
> all over the world, setting up some bloody contracts and specs
> for every interface in the kernel, not only will slow us down,
> it will be a nightmere to maintain.
Calm down, gazillion. :) Several of us are just expressing our opinions
of modern software development. You'll agree, I hope, that we have the
right to hold and express them?
I've worked with programmers before who think specification and testing
'slows them down'. You're not alone.
> Who the hell is going to maintain
> all those specs and tests? you want one, you write your own.
That's rather nonsensical (besides being overly confrontational). What
would be the point of me writing specs and tests if no other Linux
developer used them?
> Linux does not follow those procedures, becuase linux does not need 'em.
This is the attitude that really is disturbing, however. 'Linux' becomes
not just a software product, but an entity, who doesn't 'need' or 'want'
certain things. Once you've got that mindset, naturally any suggested
improvement is going to be met with a brick wall.
> Everything you ever wanted is in the code. you want to find something,
> get the source code and see how it works. no bloody specs or test suites
> will ever be as good as looking at the source code.
Actually, I agree with that, to a large extent. I'm very interested in
the Extreme Programming concept (have you heard of that?) which says
much the same thing. I certainly would never suggest any non-critical
effort be burdened with volumes and volumes of specifications that
become obsolete as soon as they're written. Interestingly, though,
Extreme Programming emphasises automated unit testing more than any
other method I've seen.
> Many people want to change the way linux is written, but it will never
> change, that is how it works and that is how it will always work.
This sort of non-customer-oriented attitude will spell the death of
Linux in the real world.
> if you do not like it, go write your own OS.
And this attitude would spell the death of Open Source. That's the
trouble with a volunteer effort--the developers don't not consider
themselves answerable to their users, but only to their own circle.
Fortunately, to date, these attitudes seem to be outweighed by OS's
undoubted advantages, probably because most OS developers aren't quite
so arrogant.
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You have never seen Linux like this
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:11:51 GMT
In article <p1bX4.119$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Sandi Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am looking for Linux programmers.
So are a lot of people.
> I will pay $1000 referral fees for
> anyone referred that gets hired.
I'll assume that you are relatively new to usenet.
There are specific newsgroups for offering such posts.
One is misc.jobs.offered, another is misc.jobs.wanted
which contains resumes of people who are available
(typically for about 7-10 days.
Better yet, grep comp.os.linux.* for http: which generally
indicates URLs that refer to web pages.
Finally, searching for Linux and Resume generally yields a few
thousand candidates.
There's no shortcut for telephone calls. Generally, e-mails
can get attention, but the actual phone call makes the difference.
Now for the bad news, most Linux programmers also have experience
in Perl, HTML, CGI, CORBA, TCP/IP, and all of the other skills
that are hotly demanded for any Linux or UNIX based internet,
e-commerce, or e-business site. I personally get anywhere
from 3-5 calls/day. Furthermore, I get 3-5 e-mails per day
from recruiters and corporations. The goofy thing is that
I haven't been looking actively for over a year.
An the other hand, there are many people who might very much enjoy
the opportunity to focus specifically on Linux.
> Thanks,
>
> Stephen Barton
> Xpedition Company, L.P.
> 512-327-9172
> 888-842-9172
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Fax 512-327-1725
>
>
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I/T Architect, MIS Director
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wintrolls! M$ will get the blade.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:31:13 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ferdinand V. Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Judge Jackson is considering the idea of chopping M$ into
> three pieces
It's probably not a bad idea. Even if the company is split
into two, Microsoft will probably want to spin off it's dot-com
companies and equity interests in other companies such that
both Gates, Ballmer, and Paul Allen can all jointly hold
the most lucrative companies as independent and unregulated
spin-offs.
> -one more than the government's proposal of two.
Actually, the DOJ is being smart. They are choosing the
solution most likely to survive in the Supreme Court.
If they try to break the company up into too many pieces,
the court may reject the plan as too harsh - depriving
Microsoft of the alliances and capabilities required to
compete effectively in the Marketplace.
Microsoft has fought tooth and nail to prove that Windows
was merely an Operating System enhancement. This would mean
that the Windows devision could keep packing IE as part of
Windows, but couldn't bundle IE as part of Microsoft Office.
Conversely, if Microsoft attempts to move IE to the Application
company, that would indicate a perjury in the Consent decree case
and in the Anti-trust case.
> Nice. The more the merrier.
The really important issues are sections 3, 4, and 5.
Section 3 prevents cliff-tier pricing, tie-in contracts, and
lock-out stipulions that prevent co-installation of Linux.
Section 4 & 5 require that Microsoft pay for their own Correctional
Officer - the Compliance Officer. Also, if the executives violate
section 3, they go to jail for criminal contempt of court.
True, it's unlikely that Bill Gates would spend more than a few
days in Jail, but the PR cost of a second set of Bill Gates mug shots
could really hurt.
> Ferdinand
--
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I/T Architect, MIS Director
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
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