Linux-Advocacy Digest #695, Volume #31 Wed, 24 Jan 01 01:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistent. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why "uptime" is important. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Does Code Decay (Charlie Ebert)
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance (J Sloan)
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ("Tom Wilson")
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS opens up on Whistler copy protection (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistent. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (J Sloan)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistent.
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:27:30 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Said Kyle Jacobs in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 23 Jan 2001 04:35:45
> > [...]
> >>I think distributing PDF format files is an excelent idea. Even if it does
> >>max bandwidth. [...]
>
> > PDF files are generally much smaller than their Word document
> > counterpart.
>
> In this vein, guess what happens to a W2K machine when you use office2000
> to read a document you converted in staroffice from .rtf to .doc?
>
> Thats right kids, it locks up solid. Powercycle nessesary.
>
> What was it exactly that windows does well again?
Well, if you want to turn $5,000 of computer hardware into a paperweight....
>
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why "uptime" is important.
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:29:32 -0500
Mark Styles wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:37:32 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> >On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:59:19 -0500, Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:20:49 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> >>> I've known Windows users to disagree on this point. Bear in
> >>> mind that StarOffice is more sluggish under Win32 than it is
> >>> being sent across a LAN via X.
> >>
> >>I haven't tried the win version, but the X version seemed very slow
> >>and bloated (not quite as bloated as MS office, but still!)
> >
> > ...no more so than any other application that follows the
> > 'everything and a bag of chips in a single application'.
>
> Yeah, I have a big problem with that philosophy, I've always been of
> the opinion that a piece of software should do one specific thing, and
> do it well. The first piece of bloatware I saw for Linux/unix was
> Netscape, which in my opinion should be purely a web browser, without
> all the other bells and whistles.
>
> I don't mind suites of applications as long as each application in the
> suite can be used independantly of the rest.
>
> >>To be honest, I haven't used them enough to compare functionality, I'm
> >>not a big word-processor user. Star Office seemed as functional as MS
> >
> > ...strange that you would prefer the proverbial Elephant gun then?
>
> As I said, speed was the main issue. MS Office runs with quite
> reasonable performance on a 32Mb Windows system. Star Office did not
> run well at all in a 32Mb Linux system.
>
> In a nutshell, my requirement is:
>
> A word processor application which runs well, doesn't hog the system,
> and can handle MS Office files (unfortunately I don't have a choice
> there)
> A spreadsheet application with the same requirements
> An easy-to-use-for-the-non-accountant accounting package
>
> Until then, my Linux machine will be a network server, news server,
> firewall, development area and general plaything, but it won't be on
> my desktop.
that's foolish.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does Code Decay
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:31:59 GMT
In article <Atsb6.104379$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mmnnoo wrote:
>Well, that is a good definition of 'code decay,' so I don't see the need
>for the 'no' part. I would also add that code left untouched also seems
>to decay, gradually compiling and running only partially, then not at
>all - not because it has changed, but it is unfit for the evolved
>environment and has 'decayed' relative to everything around it.
>
>Tissue without blood cannot grow and gangreen (decay) can set in.
>What linux suffers from, if anything, is more like cancer, which is out
>of control growth, i.e. somebody rewrites the c-standard library
>just for kicks or firewalling & filtering gets transformed from
>ipfwadm through ipchains to iptables in quick succession. Companies
>don't like to 'waste' money reworking functional code but it can be
>fun for the programmer to rip out old stuff and remake it in their own
>image and ln Linux this happens all the time.
>
>But Linux' growth has more advantages than disadvantages, as new stuff is
>accepted by the community only if it is actually better (like iptables
>seems to be) and there is little pressure to quickly upgrade.
>
>
>In article <_Rrb6.2207$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
What 'THEY' are trying to say here in 'Fancy "newly invented" terms'
IS that if you run your Windows box you can expect inadvertent blue
screens, lock-ups and if all goes well, in about a year or two,
you will have all your configuration files eaten away by
'CODE CANCER' which is my new 'pick it out of my butt' marketing
term for what Microsoft does for people over prolonged use.
Code Decay! I'm looking out in my backyard at some brown code
decay back there. It's amasing....
Yes sir...
Hope this helps.
Charlie
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:34:11 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, kiwiunixman
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:07:39 +1300
> <94jafv$j3o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >using such a poofter OS as WIndows, fuck, what a waste of time! use
> >something with a bit of bite like a SUN Starfire or IBM s/900z for
> >christsake!
>
> PC doesn't stand for "pathetic compatible" anymore. :-) A 1Ghz
> Athlon sitting on a user's desktop isn't a mere toy, although it's
> not going to serve gigabytes of information per hour, either.
Why not? 5 years ago at GM Powertrain, I had 50 MHz HP-UX machines
serving hundreds of megabytes per hour.
>
> That said...I'm not sure "Windows" stands for "reliable software", yet. :-)
> And that 1Ghz Athlon would probably be needed just to handle
> "innovative" ideas such as scrolling menus, vanishing menus,
> cutesy icons, "peek-a-boo" button bars, Start buttons,
> and remote graphics display. (Gee, X11 can handle that now...)
>
> And they *still* can't reliably kill a process. I tried to invoke, then
> kill, Notepad on a very large text file (this on NT4); it took
> several *minutes* to finally vanish. I doubt Win2k has improved
> noticeably in this regard.
>
> Windows might have the apps, but it's not there yet. However,
> it does appear to have streaming servers.
>
> >
> >kiwiunixman
> >
> >"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:3a6cd52a$0$45770$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> While little MiG tries to impress with some brochure sites...
> >>
> >> MediaWave is deploying over 3,100 windows 2000 advanced servers all over
> >> europe to handle multimillions of simultaneous audio and video streams.
> >>
> >> Talk about demanding! Is there even a streaming server available for
> >linux?
> >>
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2001/Jan01/01-22MediaWavePR.asp
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 0d:10h:37m actually running Linux.
> Are you still here?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:36:51 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > Are there any benchmarks showing Microsoft leading anything?
> >
> > You mean mindcraft? haven't you heard, that organization has
> > been discredited - they were nothing more than a microsoft puppet.
>
> <sigh>
>
> in c't
>
> Please follow the thread, or don't post, sir.
I'm afraid you're a bit confused here - you can't just snap
your fingers and make a benchmark showing that microsoft
leads - that's not going to appear in any reputable technical
publication like c't - for that you go to mindcraft. Their whole
business is showing that windows is really swell, and faster
than any other OS.
jjs
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:35:52 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, kiwiunixman
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:07:39 +1300
> <94jafv$j3o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >using such a poofter OS as WIndows, fuck, what a waste of time! use
> >something with a bit of bite like a SUN Starfire or IBM s/900z for
> >christsake!
>
> PC doesn't stand for "pathetic compatible" anymore. :-) A 1Ghz
> Athlon sitting on a user's desktop isn't a mere toy, although it's
> not going to serve gigabytes of information per hour, either.
>
> That said...I'm not sure "Windows" stands for "reliable software", yet. :-)
> And that 1Ghz Athlon would probably be needed just to handle
> "innovative" ideas such as scrolling menus, vanishing menus,
> cutesy icons, "peek-a-boo" button bars, Start buttons,
> and remote graphics display. (Gee, X11 can handle that now...)
>
> And they *still* can't reliably kill a process. I tried to invoke, then
> kill, Notepad on a very large text file (this on NT4); it took
> several *minutes* to finally vanish. I doubt Win2k has improved
> noticeably in this regard.
>
> Windows might have the apps, but it's not there yet. However,
> it does appear to have streaming servers.
Considering that this is one of the SIMPLEST applications around
(open file...transfer bytes from file to tcp/ip socket connection...
let TCP/IP statck to do the work), even Microcrap can handle it..
>
> >
> >kiwiunixman
> >
> >"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:3a6cd52a$0$45770$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> While little MiG tries to impress with some brochure sites...
> >>
> >> MediaWave is deploying over 3,100 windows 2000 advanced servers all over
> >> europe to handle multimillions of simultaneous audio and video streams.
> >>
> >> Talk about demanding! Is there even a streaming server available for
> >linux?
> >>
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2001/Jan01/01-22MediaWavePR.asp
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 0d:10h:37m actually running Linux.
> Are you still here?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:37:02 GMT
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 05:15:59 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >You trolled for it, you've caught it. A capsule summary of
> > > > >your sophomoric sophistry. Babbage cabbage. Fiddling while
> > > > >your Rome burns, Caesar Au-Gates-Us with a knife in his OS,
> > > > >sipping his lead-laden cup of bile. Your gallium-arsenide
> > > > >semiconductor fuctor with Pb. Sipping from a firehose with a
> > > > >straw, it gets jammed in your craw.
> > > >
> > > > Yep I sure did, caught one that is...
> > > >
> > > > A certified card carrying Penguinista.
> > >
> > > Shoot, where can I get one of those cards?
> >
> > I'd prefer the tee-shirt. I couldn't cram another card into my wallet if
I
> > tried.
>
> Then how are you going to cram a T-shirt on it? :-)
I guess that sentence does read like one written after working for 30+
hours...<g>
------------------------------
From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:41:13 GMT
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 05:15:59 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >You trolled for it, you've caught it. A capsule summary of
> > > > >your sophomoric sophistry. Babbage cabbage. Fiddling while
> > > > >your Rome burns, Caesar Au-Gates-Us with a knife in his OS,
> > > > >sipping his lead-laden cup of bile. Your gallium-arsenide
> > > > >semiconductor fuctor with Pb. Sipping from a firehose with a
> > > > >straw, it gets jammed in your craw.
> > > >
> > > > Yep I sure did, caught one that is...
> > > >
> > > > A certified card carrying Penguinista.
> > >
> > > Shoot, where can I get one of those cards?
> >
> > I'd prefer the tee-shirt. I couldn't cram another card into my wallet if
I
> > tried.
>
> You need the new Microsfot Wallet(TM) with space for 10Exa-Cards and and
> animated zip.
> It only costs $200 (if you upgrade from your MS old wallet), requires
> 6000 W and takes up to 3 m^3
I can hear the customer service call now....
"You say it ate your money?. OK...close it and put it back in your pocket.
All done? Alright then, pull it back out of your pocket and open it... "
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:41:26 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> "Lewis Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:94j3ba$pef$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Blah blah. Have you talked to the end user recently? They learn what they
> > need. I install computers often enough and they don't understand what a
> > mouse or the 'desktop' are. If I was to have set them up with unix,
> > they're learn it. Hell half the ppl just use it to Check email and load up
> > WinTeg (temrminal emulator) to connect to the HP (oh yeah running HP/UX)
>
> You MIGHT be able to implement a Linux soulition here. But you can't,
> because the users WILL complain. Hell, so will you when network wide policy
> can't be set remotely.
That must be why the Unix community has been doing EXACTLY THAT for
over a decade...
Give it up, you drunken junior high twit.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS opens up on Whistler copy protection
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:44:44 GMT
In article <94l1la$n1m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Adam Warner wrote:
>Hi Nick,
>
>> But first, although cracks and patches dealing with the protection in
>> Whistler builds 2410 and 2416 (an "internal" Microsoft build currently
>> maiming bandwidth in shady circles) have been produced, it would seem that
>> the panic produced by product activation's appearance in the beta code was
>> unnecessary - according to Nieman, neither of these builds is actually
>> protected. "It's just a UI screen," he says, a "first glimpse" of what the
>> system will look like. Just click next, as Microsoft's technical beta
>> testers have now been informed. Duh.
>
>I (metaphorically) fell off my chair laughing when it turned out that all
>the beta testers had to do is press "next".
>
>Regards,
>Adam
>
>
Well, I knew this would happen.
I'm glad I got my family off a couple of years ago.
Charlie
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:45:21 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Tom Wilson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:50:16
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:41:16 +0100, Peter Köhlmann
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Well, as much as I agree with you on the whole, here you are wrong.
> >> >I know for a fact (because I worked for that company 14 years) that
> >> >Honeywell / Bull produced Microchannel-machines AND boards.
> >> >And they were not the only ones. IBM was NOT alone with MC, although
it
> >> >never was any good. The advantages were not good enough in the light
of the
> >> >diasadvantages compared to ISA (VLB / EISA). PCI incorporated many of
the
> >> >good things of MC.
> >>
> >> This is true, IBM did Licenses it's MCA to several other companies,
> >> which produced MCA machines as well. They were way a head of their
> >> time, technically, but the buying public just didn't accept them.
> >
> >The cost was just a bit too high for the benefits. If they had kept the
> >costs down, they'd have had a better chance. I actually liked the
> >archetecture. Very efficient.
>
> Obviously, IBM was hoping there were enough clueless people like you
> that they could re-proprietize the PC platform. Luckily, they could not
> bring the costs down enough, once again pointing out that 'efficiency'
> isn't always what you expect it to be.
The desire for a better performing system make me clueless...
I must be a damned idiot then for putting together the new PIII 733
system...
I guess i'll seek enlightenment and grab the KayPro out of the closet...
Thanks for the clue Max!
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistent.
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:46:28 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:50:41 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> >>
> >> "Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:94bvv0$cq7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> > >Yes, well, they were naive. Truth is, it requires government action to
> >> > >prevent monopolization. That's why they made it illegal, more than a
> >> > >hundred years ago.
> >> > >
> >> > One of the reasons we have laws and governments to enforce them is
> >> > to prevent abuse by those who will not behave decently without being
> >> > forced.
> >>
> >> And this is hindering Linux in what way? Microsoft doesn't OWN The PC
> >> platform, they just run it. Linux can also run it, but people don't like
> >> Linux as much.
> >
> >Wrong. Large percentages of people who use Microsoft don't like it.
> >The only thing is...most don't even KNOW that there is an alternative.
>
> Just the other day I bumped into a woman that apparently is
> far too hard on WinDOS. I presume that WinDOS was the OS in
> question due to Microsoft's market lock.
>
> However, this woman is so adept at crashing computers that she
> just plain has her male kin navigate into applications for her
> to the point where she doesn't even interface with the OS
> directly anymore.
Oh geeze...a "mouse chauffer"
>
> If she does for herself, the system ends up locked up.
>
> >
> >Why? Because Microshaft threatens extortion if any large retailer
> >offers pre-installed Linux.
>
> [deletia]
>
> --
>
> The term "popular" is MEANINGLESS in consumer computing. DOS3
> was more "popular" than contemporary Macintoshes despite the
> likelihood that someone like you would pay the extra money to
> not have to deal with DOS3.
>
> Network effects are everything in computing.
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:48:30 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> Linux has less than one percent in the Desktop market (See Erik's browser
> statistics from a debate on this very topic a few months ago).
> The only OS it's a threat to would be OS/2 or Solaris in that market, I suppose.
Browser statistics from a windows centric site do little
except amuse the wintrolls.
So what if I examine the server logs from from www.linux.com and
announce that Linux has 56% of the browser market - DOH!
Does any of this make sense to you?
> Facts? Of course not. Linux has what, 20-ish % in the server market,
Your figures are a 2-3 years out of date - even early 1999,
a brute force search of the internet space showed linux with
33% or so web server share, and comparable for ftp & news
servers. I have heard credible estimates that Linux is now at
40% of the server market.
> and that's even with the liberal estimates.
No, that's with very outdated figures that call into question
your integrity.
> Not much of a threat to anyone but the
> Unix vendors that it's taking over. It hasn't touched Windows' market yet.
It has hurt ms windows market to some degree, but the real
pain hasn't begun yet. Wait until the effects of IBM's billion
dollar investment begin to bear fruit.
> You've never used Win2K, have you? You'd be hard pressed to crash it.
I have windows 2000 right here - and let me tell you, it's no Linux killer.
jjs
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