Linux-Advocacy Digest #718, Volume #26 Sat, 27 May 00 15:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: OSWars 2000 at www.stardock.com ("Brad")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: IBM finally admits OS/2 is dead, officially. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451692 (EdWIN)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Mark Wilden)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: democracy? (Mark Wilden)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: democracy? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0 (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Will Linux run MSDOS programs (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Linux will never progress beyond geekdome ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft W2K lack of goals. (abraxas)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: What's wrong with StarOffice (Leslie Mikesell)
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From: "Brad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: OSWars 2000 at www.stardock.com
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 17:48:17 GMT
"jasper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I wished there was a book which compared all those OS's and showing screen
shots
> and of course with good conclusions. I've never seen one besides those
articles in
> PC- magazines. In most cases they are not fair because the magazines
highly depend
> on the add income.
Well said.
BTW, Nicholas Petreley has written an article that isn't really designed as
a counter to OSWars but brings up many good points on Linux versus Windows
and OS/2 in terms of how users use Linux in ways that are a bit different.
Here is the article link:
http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-05/lw-05-penguin_4.html
Brad
>
> Jasper de Keijzer.
> http://home-5.worldonline.nl/~jdekeij
>
>
> "David D. Huff Jr." wrote:
>
> > Brad if you and Esther wrote a book I would buy it just so I could burn
it.
> >
> > Brad wrote:
> >
> > > After months of playing around with the various operating systems I've
> > > managed to complete OSWars 2000, the follow-up to OSWars '98.
> > >
> > > The article is at:
> > > http://www.stardock.com/stardock/articles/oswars2000.html
> > >
> > > The Topics included are:
> > >
> > > Macintosh:
> > > I didn't think it was fair to cover MacOS X (server) or the currently
> > > available desktop version of MacOS with Aqua coming out relatively
soon. So
> > > I'll do a follow-on when MacOS X with Aqua is available as I think Mac
users
> > > will like how that turns out. I think that MacOS X with Aqua has a
good
> > > chance of luring many PC power users over to the Macintosh. I know as
a
> > > software developer, the events on the Macintosh recently have been
pretty
> > > exciting.
> > >
> > > Linux:
> > > I gave Linux the most space this time around because it's the hardest
one to
> > > cover fairly. Linux has so many really incredible strengths but has
many
> > > weaknesses that are, unfortunately, not clear cut. To some people, an
OS
> > > that requires reasonably compotent computer users to operate is a good
thing
> > > wheras to others it's a bad thing.
> > >
> > > Windows 2000:
> > > Windows 2000 got covered as it's the latest version of NT and it's
actually
> > > turned out pretty well for the most part. It's the OS I am running as
I
> > > type this. If Microsoft wasn't such a bastard I think they'd hear
more
> > > people patting them on the back for their efforts.
> > >
> > > Windows 98:
> > > Well, this has to get covered as it's the most widely used desktop OS
in the
> > > world sadly enough. The Big Mac is probably the world's best selling
> > > hamburger but probably not the world's best burger <grin>. Win98 is
the big
> > > mac of OSes. It gets the job done for most people but not much else.
> > >
> > > OS/2 Warp:
> > > Some people might question including OS/2 in this at this point but my
> > > background is in OS/2 and I'm pretty fond of the operating system (I
still
> > > run it on a few machines around here). Its main problem is that its
parent
> > > wants it to go away and has made it increasingly clear that they want
it to
> > > go away. But many of the users of OS/2 simply won't let it because it
> > > actually is a pretty terrific operating system even by today's
standards.
> > >
> > > BeOS:
> > > Be was smart to release the personal edition. I don't cover BeOS a
great
> > > deal though but I think it's a fine OS.
> > >
> > > The full article is pretty lengthy. You can email me any questions or
> > > comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or to my personal address
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, my opinions reflect my own and not of
my
> > > employer, this is purely for the enjoyment of my fellow OS fanatics.
;)
> > >
> > > Again:
> > > http://www.stardock.com/stardock/articles/oswars2000.html
> > >
> > > Brad
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 12:54:20 -0500
On 27 May 2000 12:04:21 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>"Seán Donnchadha" wrote:
>>
>>> You're out of your mind. The price of operating systems has remained
>>> roughly the same, while their power and functionality has skyrocketed.
>>> What the hell is wrong with that?
>>
>>Windows 2000 is $300.
>>
>>The price of harware has dropped while the power has skyrocketed.
>>
>>As a fraction of the cost of a PC, the OS's slice is eating into the
>>pie.
>
>And, of course, if you want it to do anything, you have to get
>Advanced Server at $3,000 each, and pay for client licenses for
>all the boxes that use it even for authentication.
What's wrong with "normal" Server?
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM finally admits OS/2 is dead, officially.
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:08:05 -0400
Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>WELL, IT'S FINALLY official: OS/2 is dead. IBM announced recently that the
>product once dubbed the "better Windows than Windows" has reached the end of
>the line and will be phased out within a year, beginning with the client
>version, which will see its last update, or "fixpack" in IBM-speak, in
>January 2001. Then the server and Workspace on Demand versions will be
>updated for the last time in May 2001. After that, support for selected OS/2
>products will be offered only on a special-bid, fee-based system. Like the
>Mac OS, OS/2 suffered dramatic and irreversible marketshare losses when
>Microsoft released Windows 95 in 1995
You are a complete jackass -- can't you tell the difference between FREE
updates and paying for them after a certain date -- which means only that the
last FIVE years of free updates will not continue. You have to pay $100 per
year for them now -- which is still cheaper then M$ bugfixs, opps, Update
releases.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: 27 May 2000 12:50:16 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 27 May 2000 04:35:53 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
>Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>The possibilities are nearly limitless.
>>
>>Just to be even more complicated -- one of the options with RedHat
>>at least (and probably other distributions as well) is the ability
>>to build the system from source, thereby limiting issues with
>>corrupted binaries (accidentally or intentionally). One allocates
>>sufficient disk space, sets up a system, builds, then provides the
>>binary packages to other, presumably identically-configured, systems.
>>
>>Try *that* with Windows! :-)
>
>Why ?
>
>Also, If you have trouble with corrupted binaries then the same
>problem will probably occur with source. (accidentally or
>intentionally)
Not necessarily, and if it does you have a reasonable chance
of fixing it. The normal thing to go wrong is that you
have upgraded some shared library and it no longer matches
what the compiled binary expects. Rebuilding from source
(even a source rpm) will run configure again to fix up
known differences and then it will link against your
current libraries. You might be able to do something similar
in windows if you had source, but you rarely do - and even
then you typically need exactly the same version of the same
vendor's compiler to build anything.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: 27 May 2000 12:55:10 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Colin R. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I consider the inkjet a technological dead end. I owned an HP DeskJet
>> 660C for years and I now run an HP LaserJet IIIp. The inkjet is a 1995
>> or 1996 model; the laser was built in 1991 if I recall correctly.
>> However, the inkjet is more clumsy in almost all respects, has got
>> many more failure modes, vibrates like hell, is much slower...
>>
>
>Tell me about it. The HP 612 inkjet on my desk at work takes several
>minutes to print a single black-and-white page of TeX.
This is probably more the transfer time for the bitmap than the
actual printer speed. Be sure you have EPP enabled
in your bios if you have it. If speed matters you really
want a laser printer with a direct network connection instead
of using parallel or serial ports at all.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: EdWIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451692
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 17:51:52 GMT
In article <bsFX4.15176$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Tholenator tholed with tholenism set for maximum tholistic effect:
[snip]
>
> First things first, Malloy. Identify the alleged made-up words that I
> allegedly used in the postings where you levied the accusation.
Now this sets up a beautiful example of hypocrisy and inconsistency by
Dave Tholen. In the above he asks for the information to be
identified in_the_posting_where_the_accusation_was_levied. Wait until
you see what comes below.
[snip]
> Then comprehend how one can recognize what they wrote, regardless of
> the attribution.
Bingo! Here it is. Tholen feels no need to address anything where
it appears, or even to provide attribution, yet he *demands* it from
others. Incredible!
[snip]
--
"Let all who oppose the OverMind feel the Fury of the Swarm!"
-- Infested Kerrigan, aka The Queen of Blades, StarCraft.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 19:06:12 +0100
Personally, I use source control for practically everything I do. If for
no other reason, because when I'm finished a set of changes, I can
compare them to the previous version and make sure I didn't leave in any
debugging code, etc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: 27 May 2000 13:03:05 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>The price of harware has dropped while the power has skyrocketed.
>>>
>>>As a fraction of the cost of a PC, the OS's slice is eating into the
>>>pie.
>>
>>And, of course, if you want it to do anything, you have to get
>>Advanced Server at $3,000 each, and pay for client licenses for
>>all the boxes that use it even for authentication.
>
>What's wrong with "normal" Server?
I'm not sure how many extra features you get with Advanced. The
important one for me was the network load balancing option where
multiple machines can share a network address and magically fight
among themselves over who is going to accept a connection. This
lets you make it appear like your web server is never down even
when you have to reboot individual machines. The feature does
work, even though it is a little too much in the 'black magic'
category for my taste.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 19:04:15 +0100
Praedor Tempus wrote:
>
> Direct democracy would SUCK.
I agree.
> You would have religious rightwingers and
> idiots (the majority of the public)
However, I don't think the majority of people are 'idiots'. Compared to
what?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: 27 May 2000 13:13:40 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote in
><8gmo64$171o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>>The 1520 is in a P166 box, the AHA2940 is in the PII-400MHz.
>>
>>Is there a feature the 1520 has that the driver doesn't handle?
>
>The 1520 has a BIOS, which I thought meant Linux could auto detect it.
>Apparently not.
You should be able to boot from it, but by the time Linux is loaded
and starts to initialize it doesn't really know where it came from.
I think the only way you can detect ISA cards like that is to
probe some ports and try to detect the response, and since there
is no one in charge of what device uses what ports, this is a
dangereous thing to do. Some of the other drivers do manage
to auto-detect anyway. some that don't mention that the attempt
can lock up the machine.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: 27 May 2000 18:18:38 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Praedor Tempus wrote:
:>
:> Direct democracy would SUCK.
: I agree.
:> You would have religious rightwingers and
:> idiots (the majority of the public)
: However, I don't think the majority of people are 'idiots'. Compared to
: what?
The other half of the people.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: 27 May 2000 13:21:39 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>Doesn't ghostscript take -r1440x720 as an argument?
>>>
>>>How does that help me?
>>
>> Ghostscript is typically what translates the defacto standard
>>Linux/Unix page layout language into something a particular printer
>>will understand.
>
>If I select File | Print in a GUI application, am I given the opertunity of
>selecting what you say? I've not tried this yet.
I don't think lpr lets you pass that kind of option to a filter
(sysV lp would). The simple approach would be to create another
printer with a different name going to the same device. If the
setup tool doesn't offer that resolution, pick the best it has
then go find the tool builds and edit the line where it
invokes ghostscript. You can build the whole printcap and filter
setup by hand but it is a lot easier to let printtool do most of
the job. Then in the print setup for the program in question
you would use 'lpr -P high_res (whatever you name this printer).
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0
Date: 27 May 2000 13:31:50 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>No i was not in denial... and he just admitted that the problem was his
>>own error by installing linx4win and not a real install of Mandrake.
>
>You said you didn't believe me. I mean, I made the assumption that lnx4win
>works - how was I supposed to know that it doesn't? Isn't it a version of
>Linux after all?
Exactly the same Linux gets installed as on a normal partition. The
difference is the boot sequence where Windows gets a chance to
poke the p-n-p ports first and apparently disturbs things on that
machine.
>>Even if he was right then it would not be Linux's problem but the problem
>>of the hardware vendors. Its simple.. never aquire hardware that cannot be
>>used properly in Linux. I will certainly not!
>
>You're saying SoundBlaster hardware cannot be used properly in Linux? Isn't
>SoundBlaster the most commonly known name in Sound card circles?
If it isn't the pnp version, autodetection doesn't work. Don't you
have to define the ports in the DOS driver configuration too?
>>> >I dont believe you.. We have done a dusin or so installs of Mandrake,
>>> >Redhat and Corel on different machines and never encountered a problem.
>
>Oh yeah, I tried installing Corel Linux. It hung during installation.
Probing for ISA cards has a fair chance of locking some systems. They
have to make a tradeoff between the number of things they try to
auto-detect and the number of machines they lock up. This is
unfortunate, but reflects the nature of the hardware.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Will Linux run MSDOS programs
Date: 27 May 2000 13:36:02 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mathias Grimmberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) writes:
>> hauck[at]codem{dot}com (Bob Hauck) wrote in
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> >However, DOSEMU will run most 32-bit DOS apps, such as those that use the
>> >Rational, Phar Lap, or GO32 DOS extenders. It runs Borland C++ 3.x and
>> >DJGPP just fine for example.
>>
>> These are all a bit old now. Borland C++ V5.0 was the last one before
>> Borland C++ Builder took over. It generates WIN32 console applications and
>> these can't run under Linux? Still playing catchup I see.
VMWare will run them all. You just have to drag a copy of windows
along. I'm not sure what WINE does with console apps.
>AFAIK you can't run *any* Linux program (console or X) under Windows.
>
>Your point?
Actually you can run many/most if you recompile with the cygwin
tools. You can't build a free X server yet as far as I know but
you can build X programs and run the display elsewhere or on
a commercial windows X server.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux will never progress beyond geekdome
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:43:16 GMT
Julius Apweiler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> "Joseph Kehoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> >Average users are unable to install windows as well.
>>
>> What do you mean, "average users"?
>75% of the people I know. Probably more.
Oops --- should have put that smilie in there. And the emphasis on "average".
Let me try again:
>Average users are unable to install windows as well.
What do you mean, "*average* users"? ;-)
Clearer?
Bernie "Why can't Windows98 see the CD-ROM on my good laptop, but the
same installation *can* see it on my cheap one?" Meyer
--
On the highest throne in the world, we still sit only on our own
bottom
Montaigne
French moralist, 1533-92
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:43:17 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) writes:
>On Sat, 27 May 2000 03:16:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Floppies are dead, in case you haven't noticed. Although Linux seems
>>to embrace antique technology quite well.
> They seem to be hanging on quite well enough. They still remain
> THE widest used standard external storage medium. Linux can still
> get good use out of them.
And even if you can think of no other use, they are quite nice for holding
the kernel on a "diskless" x86 linux machine. PCs are a bit silly with regard
to booting from the network....
Bernie
P.S.: Although --- I recently bought 35 104MB hard disks for $0.60 each.
So now my "diskless" workstations have a $0.60 disk to hold the
kernel, rather than a $5 floppy drive ;-)
--
The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the
intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon
Sir John Eric Ericksen
British surgeon, appointed Surgeon-Extraordinary to Queen Victoria
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:43:18 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Like I say all the time "try Linux for yourself" then come back to me
>and tell me how great it is.
>The nuts in this group live in a fantasy land.
Has it ever occurred to you that the "nuts" in this group usually
*are* running linux? I think that would count as having tried. And then
they come back and tell you how great it is.
So the "nuts" that "live in fantasy land" do exactly what you tell them
to.....
Bernie "7 linux machines within 15 feet of where I am sitting" Meyer
--
When a great many people are unable to find work, unemployment
results
Calvin Coolidge
US President 1923-29
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:43:20 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>This is exactly what makes Linux so hysterical. You have to
>"experiment" with a piece of hardwre to make it work.
>Shit under Windows youplug it in, Windows prompts for a CD, prints a
>test page and that's it.
>Tell me again how Linux is easier to use?
It's much easier the moment your printer *doesn't* print that page.
Which is a possibility, as you must surely admit, because otherwise there
wouldn't be any need to print a test page.
Let's say you have an Apple Laserwriter II. You have plugged it in, and
you have done the "add a printer" dance (this thing connects via the
serial port, and thus Windows won't prompt you for a CD all by itself).
Then you get asked whether you want a test page, you say yes, the printer's
LED starts flashing, Windows asks whether the page printed, and a couple of
minutes later, the printer LED stops flashing.
Notice something? Yep, nothing was printed. Uh-oh! What now?
Bernie
--
One more such victory and we are lost
Pyrrhus
King of Epirus from 306 BC
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:43:21 GMT
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>That's nice. Do you want everyone in the universe to be able to print,
>or just you? Do you want to print to just that printer, or to others
>too? Do you want to print postscript? Text? Graphics?
Oh, that reminds me --- I have a postscript printer. I have a postscript
file. How do I get one to print on the other *under Windows*?
Bernie "Putting PS versions of papers up for download is common in CS" Meyer
--
To understand the heart and mind of a person, look not at what he has
already achieved, but at what he aspires to.
Kahlil Gibran
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft W2K lack of goals.
Date: 27 May 2000 18:46:22 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> better tell Gary about this - he took great pains to call me an idiot for
> suggesting there would be a version labled "2.4" as a beta test...
Again, you understand nothing about linux, drestin. Its been explained to you
a couple of dozen times now, and the only argument you can come up with
against it is:
"Well thats just a stupid way of numbering stuff".
Score one for the intellectual titan, drestin black.
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:46:35 -0500
On 27 May 2000 13:03:05 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>>The price of harware has dropped while the power has skyrocketed.
>>>>
>>>>As a fraction of the cost of a PC, the OS's slice is eating into the
>>>>pie.
>>>
>>>And, of course, if you want it to do anything, you have to get
>>>Advanced Server at $3,000 each, and pay for client licenses for
>>>all the boxes that use it even for authentication.
>>
>>What's wrong with "normal" Server?
>
>I'm not sure how many extra features you get with Advanced. The
>important one for me was the network load balancing option where
>multiple machines can share a network address and magically fight
>among themselves over who is going to accept a connection. This
>lets you make it appear like your web server is never down even
>when you have to reboot individual machines. The feature does
>work, even though it is a little too much in the 'black magic'
>category for my taste.
And you need that to "do anything" with Win2k Server?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: 27 May 2000 13:41:45 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>don't expect to see much more of linux at dell soon... a little birdy thus
>spoketh...
More 'offers they can't refuse' from a certain large company?
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with StarOffice
Date: 27 May 2000 13:48:07 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Star office if about OK for what it does. Some of you claim it's bloated
>or slow, others think it's OK for processing simple stuff, but I've
>finally found what's really wrong with it. I am writing a document in
>LaTeX and wanted to have a pretty looking chard in. I did the chart in
>StarOffice and found that there was no way of exporting it in a format
>usable by anything other than star office.
>I tried printing it as a postscript file, then including that, but it
>didn't work.
>The problem with Staroffice is that it's designed as one big monolithic
>app, where everything is self contained. Iy you ever want to take
>something out of the app, it's very hard[1]. Why on earth could they not
>just include a little "export as an EPS file" which would have made my
>life a *lot* easier.
Did you try feeding the generated file to the ps2epsi utility
included with ghostscript (and probably in your distribution)?
>It would be nice if they made a little effort to adapt the Linux vesion
>a bit to the UNIX philosophy[2] so that it integrates with existing apps
>using existing mechanisms (eg EPS files for exporting complex graphics,
>and ability to save things as formats that are more common under linux
>(eg Latex, etc)).
>
>Comments?
Fortunately this sort of thing is common enough that the workarounds
are already available. You can also let ghostscript render it
to a bit image if you'd rather have a tiff or jpeg. If you can
dig up an old version of ghostscript you can make it render to
gif.
Les Mikesell
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