Linux-Advocacy Digest #718, Volume #28 Mon, 28 Aug 00 22:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Cool Idea (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (ZnU)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (ZnU)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Mike
Marion)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (ZnU)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Mike
Marion)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Cool Idea
Date: 29 Aug 2000 00:50:12 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:48:11 -0500, Joe Kiser wrote:
>X Windows should support moving the mouse awound with the arrow keys on
>the keyboard and clicking with the Ctrl/Win/Alt keys. Then I wouldn't
>have to leave the keyboard.
I believe some window managers support this type of thing. IIRC, you can
bind mouse moves to the keyboard in fvwm for example.
In practice, it's best to use the mouse as a mouse, and use things like
window-cycling bindings and other keybindings if you just want to switch
apps or use the "panel"/"taskbar" or whatever.
Cheers,
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Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 29 Aug 2000 00:53:13 GMT
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:11:30 +0100, C Lund wrote:
>> Fuck you. I've never been a republican.
>
>You sure sound like one.
According to Kulkis, the Republicans are "socialists".
>I wasn't talking about "welfare slobs", I was talking about the working poor.
According to Kulkis, the world is neatly partitioned into "philosopher kings"
and "welfare slobs". A welfare slob is anyone who's not a philosopher king.
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Donovan
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:53:34 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said JS/PL in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
>My real name is John Smith and the PL stands for ummm....Patent Lawyer
>Are you happy? Does it look as "real" as all the others now?
I'm not a moron, kid...
>I'll continue posting with JS/PL so you'll have to create a mapping or host
>file "so to speak" on your computer to refer to my real name when you see
>JS/PL
But I believe that you are. I don't care if you don't post with a name.
I just don't care if you post at all if you don't post with a name. And
yes, a real name, which refers to a real identity. You know, like
Timothy "T. Max" Devlin, in Lebanon, Pennsylvania, works for ELTRAX.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:54:26 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Joe R. in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jason McNorton
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Said Chad Irby in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Said Chad Irby in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >Note that the two major US sub disasters of the last half-century
>> > > >> >occurred in deeper waters, and were over in a couple of seconds.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Well, that's the story you heard, at least. When and where were
>> > > >> they,
>> > > >> precisely?
>> > > >
>> > > >Start with the Thresher.
>> > > >
>> > > >It's interesting how you know so much about submarine accidents, but
>> > > >don't know about either of the two major American ones of the last
>> > > >half-century...
>> > >
>> > > What made you think I knew anything specific about submarine
>> > > accidents?
>> > > I posted on emotional refutation against somebody's contention that
>> > > they
>> > > were, essentially, quick and painless, as I read it.
>> >
>> > So, IOW, you don't know what you're talking about, but you don't mind
>> > spewing your feelings as if they're supposed to replace facts.
>>
>> This is, afterall, usenet.. It's not a court of law where you're under
>> oath. Who cares if he wants to speak emotional opinions or not.
>
>Because he somehow thinks that his emotional feelings should overrule
>all the world's facts?
According to who, precisely, Joe? ;-)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Linux growth stagnating
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:56:19 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[...]
>> You're the one trying to parse english as if it were pascal.
>
>Whatever, jedi. You know, you and Max are very much alike.
>I bet you find each other intellectually challenging.
;-)
Why do we bother, Jedi, huh?
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Linux growth stagnating
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:02:31 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>
>
>I have decided to post a second reply to this message.
>Sorry for the poor netiquette, but this one is really
>much better. I should supercede the other, but I lost
>the ID.
>
>[snip]
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> [...]
>> >Oh, right. Just because what you said is not true, it's no reason
>> >to retract. How nice.
>>
>> Just because you claim it is not true is not reason for me to retract
>> it. I notice you're not actually able to provide any reason for me to
>> actually believe it is not true.
>
>Oh, Max, but I AM able to provide reasons for you to believe what
>you said is not true: YOU SAID IT WAS NOT TRUE!
In various contexts, I say a lot of things. You have to understand what
I'm trying to say, not just what I'm saying. That's the bitch of
natural language, you see. Whether KDE is "a *commercial*" development
project is still a debatable issue, despite the tenuous potential links
between KDE, TT, and QT, and all other software and producers and things
on the planet. But it isn't true in the way that I meant when I first
said it was true, that is true.
>Allow me here to go back to what exactly Max and I are writing about.
>
>Max had said:
>
>"Screw KDE. Its a commercial development project."
[...]
I was wrong about that, Roberto, I'm sorry. My apologies, sincerely, if
you took any offense, or if it caused you any other undue difficulties.
Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:23:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ZnU wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > And then pay to have them sit in jail. Which is much more
> > expensive. Smart.
>
> Why should we pay for their incarceration. Put them to work doing
> something to earn their keep.
Even if I go along with the idea that people who misbehave in school
should be expelled and forced into slave labor, it still doesn't solve
the problem. Do you have any idea what it costs to keep someone in
prison? You can go to college for less.
> > > > > The public schools can expel those who disrupt the school,
> > > > > but they refuse to do so.
> > > >
> > > > And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for their
> > > > schooling now, you'll be paying for their incarceration later.
> > >
> > > Where they will serve as an example to others.
> >
> > If it were that simple, there wouldn't be kids causing trouble in
> > school right now.
> >
> > > > > Hoisted by their own petards.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, it's the tax-paying public who is paying for an
> > > > > K-12 "education" but the money is instead being used for
> > > > > left-wing indoctrination.
> > > >
> > > > What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching kids
> > > > about
> > >
> > > Global warming and other Eco-leftism
> >
> > Global warming is not "Eco-leftism" any more than quantum mechanics
> > is.
> >
> > > Pro-homosexuality propaganda
> >
> > Examples?
>
> "Daddy has a roommate" "Heather has two mommies"
They also teach kids about tribal life in Africa. Do you think this is
intended to encourage kids to go join African tribes? If kids aren't
exposed to the different ways in which people live they often turn into
bigots. Which is what you seem to want.
> > > Socialism
> >
> > Examples? Most school history texts I've seen have an
> > American/capitalist bias, actually.
>
> Your information is at least 10 years out of date.
Examples?
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:39:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eric Bennett wrote:
> >
> > ZnU wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:25 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> They don't refuse to do so. The problem is that
> > > > > >> "discipline" doesn't always work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Then expel them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your emphasis on "expelling" people is not going to raise
> > > > > educational standards. In short, you seek to raise
> > > > > "performance" statistics by hiding weaker students from those
> > > > > statistics. In short, this is a scam, because it doesn't do
> > > > > anything to increase the nation's education level. It merely
> > > > > makes certain statistics easier to misapply.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for
> > > > > >> their schooling now, you'll be paying for their
> > > > > >> incarceration later.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Where they will serve as an example to others.
> > > > >
> > > > > "serve as an example" ? If the point of the criminal justice
> > > > > system was to "make examples" of people, wouldn't it be more
> > > > > effective to publically execute them or stone them to death ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Be aware that the kind of barbarism you are advocating no
> > > > > longer exists in civilised countries.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching
> > > > > >> kids about
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Global warming and other Eco-leftism
> > > > >
> > > > > What is wrong with discussing environmental issues in schools
> > > > > ? I don't recall any given view being "pushed".
> > > >
> > > > Pushing LIES is directly contrary to the purpose of education.
> > >
> > > Why are all those scientists telling lies?
>
> Why don't you ask them. Like last week, some blowhard scientist said
> that the "hole' in the north pole icecap was the "first time" that
> the pole has been ice free in 5,000,000 years.
>
> 1. The "hole" is pretty suspicious...why is a 2-mile diameter
> surface of polar sea CLEARED OF ICE while the rest of the ice-cap is
> intact?
>
> File under: Lies of ommission (failing to mention that this hole was
> obviously cleared by some sort of ice breakers)
This is a typical tactic for attacking science. Creationists use it all
the time. You attack a specific incorrect statement by a single
scientist rather than attacking the position of the scientific community
in general. Science isn't based on statements by individuals, it's based
on peer review and reproducibility.
Scientists are well aware of the fact that such holes are not that
uncommon during the summer months, even without the help of ice
breakers. What you saw, of course, was the media sensationalizing the
event.
> 2. On what basis is this EcoPropagandist making the claim that the
> north pole has been ice-covered for the last 5,000,000 years. Did he
> find a secret weather station at the North Pole with 5,000,000 years
> of records?
This is another typical tactic for attacking science, and another one
Creationists use all the time. The "nobody was there, so we have no idea
what happened" argument.
My guess is that that figure, if that's the commonly accepted one, was
discovered from ice samples. Much of what we know about the planet's
climatic history has been discovered from ice samples, using techniques
that anyone could lean if they wanted to put forth the effort. There's
no big conspiracy here. Everything is very open to external review.
[snip]
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:48:26 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> I pretty much agree with you on this one. I believe that everyone should
> be allowed to work at their own pace, but I don't believe that they can
> both work at a different pace *and* graduate in the same time.
Yep, we're in total agreement here.
BTW, in those cases where a student is "socially promoted" when their family
complains enough, I think that not only in the school screwed up but the
family is too. To push your child into the next grade when they aren't ready
is far worse IMO, then the social slight they will have for being held back.
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significant number of users want fixed." - Bill Gates in an interview with
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:00:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ZnU wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:25 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> They don't refuse to do so. The problem is that "discipline"
> > > > >> doesn't always work.
> > > > >
> > > > >Then expel them.
> > > >
> > > > Your emphasis on "expelling" people is not going to raise
> > > > educational standards. In short, you seek to raise "performance"
> > > > statistics by hiding weaker students from those statistics. In
> > > > short, this is a scam, because it doesn't do anything to increase
> > > > the nation's education level. It merely makes certain statistics
> > > > easier to misapply.
> > > >
> > > > >> And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for their
> > > > >> schooling now, you'll be paying for their incarceration later.
> > > > >
> > > > >Where they will serve as an example to others.
> > > >
> > > > "serve as an example" ? If the point of the criminal justice system
> > > > was to "make examples" of people, wouldn't it be more effective to
> > > > publically execute them or stone them to death ?
> > > >
> > > > Be aware that the kind of barbarism you are advocating no longer
> > > > exists in civilised countries.
> > > >
> > > > >> What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching kids
> > > > >> about
> > > > >
> > > > >Global warming and other Eco-leftism
> > > >
> > > > What is wrong with discussing environmental issues in schools ? I
> > > > don't recall any given view being "pushed".
> > >
> > > Pushing LIES is directly contrary to the purpose of education.
> >
> > Why are all those scientists telling lies?
> >
> > > > >Pro-homosexuality propaganda
> > > >
> > > > Why are you so strongly opposed to homosexuality ? I notice you
> > > > offered no
> > >
> > > Ever hear of AIDS?
> >
> > AIDS spreads just as well or better though heterosexual sex. Some of the
>
> Then where is the much-ballyhood heterosexual explosion of AIDS
> in the US, which the AIDS activists have been predicting for over
> 2 decades now.
>
> AIDS is an epidemic in among two groups
> 1) I.V. drug users
> 2) homosexual men.
The homosexual community is less than a 15th of the size of the
heterosexual community, which means any disease that gets into it will
infect a much larger portion much faster. It also looks like AIDS began
in the homosexual community in the US, so homosexual men have a head
start.
> > countries with the highest AIDS rates in the world have virtually no
> > homosexuality.
>
> Nobody has ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of
> the population of sub-Saharan Africa.
Quite a bit of it is cultural. Many people don't yet accept the modern
models of disease.
> Also, there is a *LOT* more homosexual behavior there than people are
> admitting to.
Studies have been made. For a variety of reasons, there is very little.
Less than the US, and certainly not enough to account for the 50% HIV
rate some of these countries have, and the fact that it seems to infect
men and women equally.
> Simply put, it *extremely* rare for a man to get AIDS from
> heterosexual sex.
Heterosexual contact now results in 16% of US HIV cases. World wide,
that figure is much higher.
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:02:28 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> However, I'll also reiterate that "social promotion"
> tends to result in the incompetent attaining higher qualifications than
> they would in the absence of such a system. But it doesn't mean that
> competent kids suffer as a result, and it doesn't mean that these
> incompetents come out any less skilled than they would otherwise ( it
> merely means that they have higher degrees for the same skill level ).
However, it can lower people's view of the "value" of a HS diploma. Although
if you think you're going to make the big bucks with just a HS diploma, you're
dreaming. Or you have one hell of an athletic or other talent that can get
you by.
> When I did my year of high school in the US, they basically had everyone
> work at their own pace, and the seniors would select from the
> same group of courses as the sophmores. There was more or less
> complete desegregation of year levels. Everyone basically worked through
Many of the classes at my HS were like this. At least some of the honor
(especially science based) classes were.
> Basically, I'm against the notion that students should complete one year
> each calender year. Some students simply learn faster than others.
I agree with that.. the imposed calendar year just doesn't work for many
people. I for one was a student that tended to get way ahead in classes,
became bored, and then would not do some of the work because it just felt like
going through the motions. I know that if I hadn't been bored as much as I
was during my scholastic career (including college) I probably could've gotten
a 4.0 average instead of the 3.x one I did). I shudder to think how it
would've been for me at a public school in my area which had much worse
available curriculums then the private schools I went to. When I had a
challenging class, I always did well (physics, honor classes, etc), but the
"normal" classes that everyone has to take (like computer skills, creative
writing, etc) bored me to death
because they had to move slower then the honor classes.
I actually look forward to going back to work on a Master's degree with more
self study classes where I can go at my own pace.
> I appear to have misunderstood your original post. Sorry (-;
S'allright. :)
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