Linux-Advocacy Digest #859, Volume #26 Sat, 3 Jun 00 13:13:15 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K (abraxas)
Re: MacOS X: under the hood... (was Re: There is only one innovation that
matters...) ("Marc Schlensog")
Re: There is only one innovation that matters... (was Re: Micros~1 innovations)
("Marc Schlensog")
Re: There is only one innovation that matters... (was Re: Micros~1 innovations)
("Marc Schlensog")
Re: How Pete Goodwin Can Fix "The sad Linux story" (JEDIDIAH)
Re: IBM finally admits Drestin Black may not have a clue... ("Drestin Black")
Re: IBM finally admits Drestin Black may not have a clue... ("Drestin Black")
Homebrew (Was: Beer Wars at CSMA) (John Jensen)
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Linux/Gaining Acceptance (Joe Warner)
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K (abraxas)
Re: New User here, and I think Linux Stinks! (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: IBM finally admits OS/2 is dead, officially. (abraxas)
Re: New User here, and I think Linux Stinks! (JEDIDIAH)
Re: ok, and Turbolinux failure ? ("Drestin Black")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K
Date: 3 Jun 2000 16:43:09 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8h9516$1nim$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> > "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:8h8i2s$2epp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not), the NT network services are not C2
>> >> certified. NT is only C2 certified on a standalone system. You got a
>> >> network? You ain't C2 certified. I was embarrased by this fact a
> couple of
>> >> years ago in a debate with an NetWarian who shot me down in my high and
>> >> mighty attitude.
>>
>> > In 1998, (perhaps 99) NT 4.0 SP6 with C2 hotfix was C2 certified
>> > on the network and everywhere in between.
>>
>> It was NOT certified on an IP network, idiot. You're lying again.
> yes, it is you fucking asshole. Did you not actually read anything about it?
> http://www.radium.ncsc.mil./tpep/epl/entries/TTAP-CSC-EPL-99-001.html
> choke on this.
An os is not C2able if it accepts socketed printer connects. Choke on that,
idiot.
=====yttrx
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From: "Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy
Subject: Re: MacOS X: under the hood... (was Re: There is only one innovation that
matters...)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:20:06 +0200
Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
8h8a0a$917$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Huh? Windows for Workgroups did _NOT_ become WindowsNT v3.51. NT is a
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^ True
> completely different architecture, that was written from the ground up. It
WNT=VMS++...... Written from the ground up?
> began life as OS/2 NT, actually. ie: WindowsNT has absolutely no
> reliance on DOS. It runs on top of its own (very well written)
> modified microkernel.
It also didnīt have any reliance on OS/2 or Win32 for that matter, but they
were
free to choose (and practical still are) what environment to put around the
(*very* well written???) kernel, if Iīm not mistaken.
> I'm just asking you to tell me what MacOS X has that WindowsNT does not
> (feature-wise), and I was specifying that POSIX compliance wasn't
> something that I would consider to be a digestable point, as Microsoft
> clearly is not interested in much of anything concerning POSIX.
Well, it might be an approach to satisfy the need for open standards, which
might
help programmers to develop cross-platform-software with an ease (wouldnīt
it?)
BTW, Stephen, why donīt you snip all this unimportant stuff from 8 posts
before?
It might help, reducing bandwidth. Internet-time is still pretty expensive
over here
in Germany.
Marc
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From: "Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.os.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy
Subject: Re: There is only one innovation that matters... (was Re: Micros~1
innovations)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:53:13 +0200
Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Big time snippage]
>
> Microsoft's Windows 2000 is the slowest operating system known to
> mankind.
>
> No-one can challenge this statement.
>
> Charlie
I was expecting more from you, Charlie.
Marc
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From: "Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy
Subject: Re: There is only one innovation that matters... (was Re: Micros~1
innovations)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:08:12 +0200
Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> In article <8h23om$e71$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Stephen S. Edwards II"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > : In article <8gv4el$r9a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Piers B."
> > : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > : > You ignoramus,
> > : >
> > : > Who do you think helped IBM and Apple in the eighties ( re 80's for
> > : > those
> > : > who have literacy problems)???? IBM and Apple wouldn't have been
the
> > : > companies they were if it wasn't for Microsoft.
> >
> > : Speaking of ignorami.......
> >
> > [blatant insult snipped]
> >
> > : Apple was selling millions of computers before MS released their first
> > : OS.
> >
> > Millions? I do not believe that number is quite correct. Could you
post
> > proof of this statement?
>
> I don't know about millions. But Apple was clearly selling plenty of
> computers long before MS released their first OS. So, saying that Apple
> wouldn't exist without MS is an absurd statement.
I dislike saying this, but if it wasnīt M$ who donated $150M back in (I
donīt
remember), Apple would probably have gone down the drain, thus not existing
anymore (probably the same way OS/2 is going right now).
>
> >
> > Also, remember that the idea of the PC was avalanched by Apple, to be
> > sure, but corporate use was limited. It was only after IBM, whose name
> > was equivalent to "computer" decided to manufacture and market a PC, did
> > the PC become widely accepted. However, they would have been dead in
the
> > water if it were not for Microsoft's quick thinking, so in a way, yes,
> > Microsoft was the driving force that brought PCs to the masses.
>
> Nonsense. If IBM hadn't picked MS, they would have picked someone else.
> Even if it took a few months longer to release CPM, it wouldn't have had
> a material effect on today's computer business.
>
CPM was shipped after DOS? One is a lifelong learner. I didnīt know this
one
before. I always thought, DOS was (roughly) based on CPM.
Correct me if Iīm wrong.
Marc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: How Pete Goodwin Can Fix "The sad Linux story"
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 16:42:12 GMT
On Sat, 03 Jun 2000 16:05:03 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:51:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>
>> That has nothing to do with the 'intitiveness' of the name
>> but with quite a bit of marketing hype. If you did the same
>> for sed you would end up with a similar effect.
>
>Doesn't matter, it's the result that counts.
Then Unix "cryptic-ness" is a non-issue even by your
own demented standards.
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>>Walk up to 100 people on Wall Street in NYC and say "cat, ls, more,
>>>less" What are they? and see what they say.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I've never liked the UNIX command line, but then I'm a Digital DCL fan.
>>>>
>>>>Write a script that puts on the screen a nice help chart with
>>>>lines like "change directory -- cd". Name it "help", so if
>>>>people type "help" it will come up.
>>>
>>>Sounds like Windows/DOS to me.
>>
>> ...and Unix predates both.
>
>And Linux is not Unix.
My Unix rcfiles, shell scripts and sourcecode work well enough.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM finally admits Drestin Black may not have a clue...
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:42:16 -0400
"M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:BGtODEdD7Dku-pn2-875NLDkudwIM@localhost...
> > "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > are you the clone or the real dolly?
>
> Are you the real DrestInBlack or not?
Dressed In Black, at your service.
>
> In other words are you the real idiot who
> popped in here last year to utter all kind of
> nonsense? To a point that someone offered
> to pay the expenses for you to come clean and
> come over to set up a real test to prove that you
> were dead wrong?
Ahh, actually, I offered to pay for Perry Pip to visit one of my data
centers to prove something I claimed that he denied was possible. I offered
to pay every penny of his way, so long as he let me video tape the moment
when I sat him in front of the server in question and had him review the
task manager and see for himself that I was telling the truth and he was
wrong. He balked.
Someone has offered to pay for me to setup a real test to prove I was dead
wrong? Oh please, PLEASE have these people contact me ASAP!! I would LOVE
LOVE LOVE to take a free trip and enjoy vindicating myself. I will be
videotaping of course so there are no... miscommunications.
>Only to find that you even did
> not have the courage to answer, you simply disap-
> peared.
I disappeared because with the W2K launch I was busier than ever. I'm only
back for a bit as I'm taking a break and love playing in here. I'll be gone
again sometimes next week, don't think I disappeared without courage - no, I
returned to this thing called a "paying job"
>Now you have the "guts" (stupid ignorance
> would be a better description I think) to drop in again.
why not, never needed much guts to be in here, no real challenge other than
from the retarded who could never get a clue and understand when something
was repeated banged into their heads
>
> Get a life and go play somewhere else with your toys.
jealousy is terrible...
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM finally admits Drestin Black may not have a clue...
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:42:28 -0400
5x3 - how nice of you...
"abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8h94l2$1nim$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> are you the clone or the real dolly?
>
> > Are you the real DrestInBlack or not?
>
> > In other words are you the real idiot who
> > popped in here last year to utter all kind of
> > nonsense? To a point that someone offered
> > to pay the expenses for you to come clean and
> > come over to set up a real test to prove that you
> > were dead wrong? Only to find that you even did
> > not have the courage to answer, you simply disap-
> > peared. Now you have the "guts" (stupid ignorance
> > would be a better description I think) to drop in again.
>
> Thats him alright. And he hasnt changed one bit.
>
>
>
>
> -----yttrx
>
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From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy
Subject: Homebrew (Was: Beer Wars at CSMA)
Date: 3 Jun 2000 16:44:25 GMT
Just curious, given the original association of home computer use with
homebrewing:
http://www.bambi.net/bob/homebrew.html
And the early arrival of things like the HOMEBREW digest on the internet:
http://hbd.org/hbd/HBD_idx.html
I wonder how much brewing is associated with the current crop of
advocates. My prejudice would be that UNIX hackers still brew, but ...
oh, Mac advocates drink overchilled white wine (brewed by autocratic
winemakers in black turtlenecks) ... Windows users probably say "uh ..
this stuff (opening their hand to squint at the label". :-)
Of course if you do brew, perhaps we can look for a correlation between
beer style and platform choice.
John
(who has been known to brew and compile UNIX kernels, though never at the
same time!)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 16:44:20 GMT
On Sat, 03 Jun 2000 16:07:32 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>They are doing the well known
>
>"Linux, Twist and Shout"
No, we are just more aware of what being "C2" certified means.
Meanwhile, SGI is sharing some of their "B2" level code with Linux.
[deletia]
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
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From: Joe Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux/Gaining Acceptance
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 10:41:51 -0600
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Thanks Gary. Actually, I've been dual-booting Linux (Caldera 2.3) with WIN NT
4.0 at work, for almost a year now and am getting tired of it. Hopefully, I
can obtain another decent machine that I can run Linux on, so I can keep the
two OS' separate. I know there is growing support for Linux with IBM. I've
been looking here------->http://www-4.ibm.com/software/is/mp/linux/ We have
over 13 AS/400's in our shop that are used for the creation and development of
medical software applications that we sell to hospitals. Most of these
applications run on the old AS/400 green screen and a lot of hospitals are
getting tired of this and want a GUI interface. I guess I just haven't done
enough research but so far, haven't been able to come up with any ideas as to
how I could bring the use of Linux into this scenerio.
Gary Hallock wrote:
> Joe Warner wrote:
>
> > Hi, I've noticed a lot of postings from people in this newsgroup who
> > appear to be pro-Microsoft, so I hope I don't get flamed too bad for
> > this.
> > I've been trying to teach myself Linux/Unix for the last couple of
> > years where I work and have been trying to find ways to gain acceptance
> > and justify ways to use it in our shop but it's been an uphill battle
> > all the way. You see, most of the people I work with (managers and
> > grunts like me), see through Microsoft or IBM sunglasses and don't even
> > want to hear about Linux/Unix or any other alternatives. I've got on my
> > soap box many times, explaining how Linux/Unix could be a cost effective
> > and stable alternative as a web server, router, firewall..etc but my
> > words always seem to fall on deaf ears. Obviously, I must be going
> > about things the wrong way or I need to look for a job in a shop where
> > Linux/Unix is being used more? If I could find ways to convince "the
> > powers that be" to give me some decent equipment and set up a web server
> > or firewall with Linux, I'd be able to accomplish 2 important goals.
> > 1. To gain acceptance for Linux/Unix in a primarily Microsoft/IBM
> > shop. 2. I'd have justification to do what I've wanted to do for a
> > long time: learn more and become proficient at using Linux/Unix.
> > Any recommendations or comments would be appreciated, even the
> > flames as long as you don't scorch me too bad. 8^}
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Joe
>
> Since IBM is now into Linux big time, you could play your management's game
> and point to all the Linux support from IBM. They can remain an IBM shop
> and yet move towards Linux. Another approach is to simply do it - don't
> wait for management approval. For example, it you have a desktop or
> laptop at work, install Linux along side Windows. This has actually been a
> common approach. Linux at IBM started out as an somewhat underground
> project, including Linux for S/390. Management eventually saw the
> advantages of Linux and embraced it. Of course, it depends on your
> situation, whether you feel comfortable with taking the underground
> approach.
>
> Gary
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Thanks Gary. Actually, I've been dual-booting Linux (Caldera 2.3)
with WIN NT 4.0 at work, for almost a year now and am getting tired of
it. Hopefully, I can obtain another <i>decent</i> machine that I
can run Linux on, so I can keep the two OS' separate. I know there
is growing support for Linux with IBM. I've been looking here-------><A
HREF="http://www-4.ibm.com/software/is/mp/linux/">http://www-4.ibm.com/software/is/mp/linux/</A>
We have over 13 AS/400's in our shop that are used for the creation and
development of medical software applications that we sell to hospitals.
Most of these applications run on the old AS/400 green screen and a lot
of hospitals are getting tired of this and want a GUI interface.
I guess I just haven't done enough research but so far, haven't been able
to come up with any ideas as to how I could bring the use of Linux into
this scenerio.
<p>Gary Hallock wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Joe Warner wrote:
<p>> Hi, I've noticed a lot of postings from people
in this newsgroup who
<br>> appear to be pro-Microsoft, so I hope I don't get flamed too bad
for
<br>> this.
<br>> I've been trying to teach myself Linux/Unix
for the last couple of
<br>> years where I work and have been trying to find ways to gain acceptance
<br>> and justify ways to use it in our shop but it's been an uphill battle
<br>> all the way. You see, most of the people I work with (managers
and
<br>> grunts like me), see through Microsoft or IBM sunglasses and don't
even
<br>> want to hear about Linux/Unix or any other alternatives. I've
got on my
<br>> soap box many times, explaining how Linux/Unix could be a cost effective
<br>> and stable alternative as a web server, router, firewall..etc but
my
<br>> words always seem to fall on deaf ears. Obviously, I must be
going
<br>> about things the wrong way or I need to look for a job in a shop
where
<br>> Linux/Unix is being used more? If I could find ways to convince
"the
<br>> powers that be" to give me some decent equipment and set up a web
server
<br>> or firewall with Linux, I'd be able to accomplish 2 important goals.
<br>> 1. To gain acceptance for Linux/Unix in a primarily Microsoft/IBM
<br>> shop. 2. I'd have justification to do what I've wanted
to do for a
<br>> long time: learn more and become proficient at using Linux/Unix.
<br>> Any recommendations or comments would be
appreciated, even the
<br>> flames as long as you don't scorch me too bad. 8^}
<br>>
<br>> Thanks.
<br>>
<br>> Joe
<p>Since IBM is now into Linux big time, you could play your management's
game
<br>and point to all the Linux support from IBM. They can remain
an IBM shop
<br>and yet move towards Linux. Another approach is to simply
do it - don't
<br>wait for management approval. For example, it you have
a desktop or
<br>laptop at work, install Linux along side Windows. This has actually
been a
<br>common approach. Linux at IBM started out as an somewhat underground
<br>project, including Linux for S/390. Management eventually saw
the
<br>advantages of Linux and embraced it. Of course, it depends on
your
<br>situation, whether you feel comfortable with taking the underground
<br>approach.
<p>Gary</blockquote>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K
Date: 3 Jun 2000 16:45:25 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you konw, all anyone has to do is read the exchange.
> they can see what I wrote and what you wrote and conclude you are an
> inflammatory rash little trollster.
> NT 4 *has been* C2 certified. That's what I said, that is what is true.
> Anything else you choose to embellish, alter, deny, twist into is your own
> doing and your own lack of intelligent reply.
Hows your IT career going, dresden? Quite good id imagine---
The entire field is under the golden rule:
The intelligence and workload of an IT professional are exclusively
inversely proportional to the salary of the same.
Life is good!
=====yttrx
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New User here, and I think Linux Stinks!
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 16:48:38 GMT
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> > >
> > >I have sound blaster live card, popular card I think? no?
> > >
> > >I no can find any features like environmental audio in driver. I can't use my
> >
> >
>
> Try looking at this page. Creative Labs is working on providing full drivers for
>Linux.
>
> http://www.soundblaster.com/support/faq
>
Oh, also from the same page, a note about Win2000:
Does Sound Blaster Live! work with Windows 2000 (NT5) ?
Creative is working on drivers that will work under Windows 2000, but
it's still a
moving target. It's possible that if the build
and the drivers both look stable for a while that we may release beta
drivers.
You'd think Microsoft would be a little nicer to a hardware manufacturer who helps
sell a lot of
Windows
systems.
Anyway, I have the SB Live card, and the provisional driver that ships with Win2000 is
problematic. MIDI breaks up when
closing an NT Explorer window. The sound pops whenever a CD is placed into the drive.
No support
for multiple speakers.
Generally, except for wave/mp3 playback, Win2000 right now behaves even worse than
Linux. At least
Linux's EMU10K1 driver
works!
Chris again.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM finally admits OS/2 is dead, officially.
Date: 3 Jun 2000 16:48:24 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hey 5x3 - post any one of those things and you'll actually be worthy of
> being anything less than the slime you are.
> now I realize why i'm the only one back and forth with you, everyone else
> has you kill filed already. And knowing where you work now and someone you
> work with, I know more fully understand the problems you live with and what
> it must do to your very young mind.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh really now? And where would that be? And whom?
Come up with it dresden liar. Lets see if you can be pushed as far as you
could during our first little tiff, eh? I'm pushing you dresden liar...
*push*
:)
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: New User here, and I think Linux Stinks!
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 16:48:12 GMT
On Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:18:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Different experience here:
>
>1.Plug in scanner
>2.Windows recogonizes it and asks for CD.
>3.Pop in CD.
>4. Installs perfectly.
>5.Also installs some great software like Adobe Photoshop.
>6. Wizard guides me through making first scan, although you can stop
>at that point if you wish.
>
>Under Linux /Sane?
Use GnoRPM to install sane.rpm.
or
Download source.
Unpack.
Run ./configure;make;make install.
If you need a 'wizard' to help you scan something, you're
going to likely have other problems that there isn't a
ready made wizard there to help you solve.
>
>Hung the entire machine.
Whereas the Hauppauge 401 install on my old Win9x box
installed a new version of directX resulting in the
corruption of my previous video driver.
>
> BRS time.
>
>Yep Linux, in some cases, is light years behind Windows.
My mother-in-law is still trying to figure out how to USE
the scanner that one of her friends hand to install under
Windows for her.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: ok, and Turbolinux failure ?
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:48:23 -0400
excuse me - I advise you reread and retract:
I asked him to document that MS used UNIX in it's manufacturing process.
He did. (for anti-virus purposes)
Did you see any denial? Did you hear any twisting or distorting or attempts
at obfuscation?
I asked for proof, he provided it (this one time) and I accepted it.
How does that make me any of the offensive things you suggest?
Why do you not take him to task for not proving proof for the TONS of shit
he spues daily and never ever documents? had he ever provided proof for
things he made up in the past, hardly anyone could argue - but he doesn't
and we do.
I can stand competition - I just haven't seen any here...
"Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8hatu5$u0s$18$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin, youīre a cowardish liar.
> You canīt even stand one bit of competition
> (just like M$... waht a coincidence). Why donīt
> you give us proof, that UNIX (or UNIX-like systems)
> is not involved in the M$-production process?
> sfcybear did so, and you cowardly hid.
>
> Get the fuck out of c.o.l.a.
>
> Marc
>
>
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