Linux-Advocacy Digest #930, Volume #26 Tue, 6 Jun 00 12:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Otras noticias ("Erna Odelfsan")
Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: windoze 9x, what a piece of shit! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: windoze 9x, what a piece of shit! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: windoze 9x, what a piece of shit! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers (Damien)
Re: The sad Linux story (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north ("Come Home")
Re: Linux+Java, the best combination of techologies (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Jack Troughton)
Re: I Nuked Linux...Win 2K is Light Years Ahead. (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Mayor)
Re: Once again: Open-Source != Security; PGP Provides Example (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Why UNIX Rocks (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Linux+Java, the best combination of techologies (Timothy Murphy)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Brad BARCLAY)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Brad BARCLAY)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Loren Petrich)
Re: URGENT! Linux vs MS-Exchange as email server (Shrikant)
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From: "Erna Odelfsan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Otras noticias
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:17:50 GMT
Obviously, using Outlook Express for both email and
news is not a good thing ;-)
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Subject: Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jun 2000 08:16:56 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bobby D. Bryant) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Renice is a bit late AFTER the event!
>
>Why wait until the event is over?
When your system is running so slow you can't even get an xterm up...
>> >> Why would I want to run more than a dozen processes?
>> >Many, many reasons.
>>
>> Name one.
>
>At the more-or-less random time that I happened to read your message, I
>counted and find that I have 41 processes running under my username alone.
Oh yes, and what are they all doing? You still haven't named anything as
yet.
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Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jun 2000 08:18:48 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> >No 180 process limit!
>>>
>>> Why would I want to run more than a dozen processes?
>>Many, many reasons.
>
>and even more reasons
Ok, name one.
>>> >Superior support built in for ISDN, DSL, Cable Modems, Regular Modems!
>>>
>>> Apart from the last one, I don't use any of these.
>>Just because you don't doesn't mean it's not better.
>>
>
>Maybe he assumes that analogue modems are all he will ever need...
No, it's just the way it's going in the UK at the moment...
>>> >Superior TCP-IP stack!
>>>
>>> How is it superior? Does Linux support IPV6 yet?
>>Yes. I think it does (?)
>
>Yes it does.
Ah, so Linux does have IPV6. Is anyone actually using it as yet? Has the
rest of the world caught up with this technology as yet?
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Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: windoze 9x, what a piece of shit!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jun 2000 08:33:08 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote in
<8hhukj$3b8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Gimp has an interface to do whatever you want to an image
>from within it. If you want to print, get the print plug-in:
> http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/
Aha... so, by default, Gimp does not have print? Do you need this plugin to
print? So that might explain why my version of Gimp does not have print on
the menu?
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Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: windoze 9x, what a piece of shit!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jun 2000 08:31:59 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bart Oldeman) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Right click on a picture. Click on "file". And what is there down that
>submenu? "Mail image" and then? Surprise.
Not on my menu.
>GIMP's central menu is just that. If it would have a print option, it
>would need to know which picture to print. The active window would be the
>obvious choice, but what if focus follows mouse? It wouldn't make sense.
>Hence (I think) the print decision is made locally for a picture.
That's what I was expecting. Except the print item is not there.
>Linux and Windows are different things. It shows that it takes you a lot
>of time to get used to Linux. Similarly, I could never get used to
>Windows.
It's got nothing to do with Windows and Linux being different things. I
went through the entire Gimp menu, on both it's main menu and its picture
window. Print is not there.
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Pete Goodwin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: windoze 9x, what a piece of shit!
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:17:17 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,>
>> Go away Troll.
> >
> >Nope. I stand by what I've said. I looked through Gimp and there is
no
> >print option on the menu.
>
> Which is it? Are you a troll, or a complete moron?
>
Probably like Ray Lopez, a little both. A moronic-troll.
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien)
Crossposted-To: alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 06 Jun 2000 14:32:07 GMT
First off Tim, I'd like to say, you sound like and idiot. And do
something about that word-wrap.
On 6 Jun 2000 07:32:49 -0500, in alt.microsoft.sucks,
Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| >On 5 Jun 2000 14:06:17 -0500,
| > Tim Palmer, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
| > brought forth the following words...:
| No moddern OS should ever make you type commands. You should be abal
| to do evything that the OS can do with ONLY the mouse. In this
| respect UNIX is stil way back in the SEVENNTY'S!
You cannot harness the power of Unix with only a WIMP. It's just not
feasible. You can however do everything you can do in Windows without
using the CLI, but the CLI is much more efficient.
| >>Microsoft compials the NT kernal for you and you make the chainges
| >>in the Control Panel not by compialing everything yourself like in
| >>UNIX where if they did'nt make you compial the softwhare wouldn't
| >>evin work because no 2 UNIX boxes are binairy compattibal.
How to compile software on Unix:
"./configure && make && make install"
Of course you may want to just use a pre-compiled binary in say RPM
format:
"rpm -Uvh filename.rpm"
Of course knowing your typing skills you may just want to open it up
in the gnome file manager (it looks a lot like explorer) and
double-click on it.
| >Ok, so how do I change the kernel of a Windows NT system to not use a GUI for
| >use as an embedded device?
| You dont' nead to get ridd of the NT GUI because their's nothing
| wrong with it.
Assuming there is nothing wrong with it, if you don't need it it's a
waste of resources.
| Not like UNIX weir you have to try 100 diferrent Windo managers to
Choice is a Good Thing(tm).
| find one that works the way the 700-page HOWTO says it works.
First off, no how-to is 700 pages long. Secondly, my experience with
Window managers is that they are very intuitive. I didn't read the
help pages for enlightenment until I started getting into fine-tuning
the configuration.
| > Oh, and can you show me how to change the kernel for use in a non-x86
| >cpu?
|
| If you do'nt have the rite cpu you can upgrade.
Once again, you sound like an idiot. Exchanging an Alpha, PPC, or
Risc chip with a pentium is not possible in most cases and certainly
not an upgrade.
[...]
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The sad Linux story
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:30:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote in <8hh3u1$18f8$1
> @Mercury.mcs.net>:
>
> >You omitted the reference to KDE applications in your quote.
> >What gave you the impression that Netscape is a KDE app?
>
> Nothing. It's obviously a hole in the whole desktop of
KDE/Gnome/Whatever -
> the concept of drag and drop between applications. There's no standard
for
> it. Hence, as I've pointed before, Linux lags behind Windows.
I drag a URL from IE into a DOS window. Nothing happens.
I drag a URL from konqueror into a terminal. Something happens.
I see that windows drag and drop is lagging behind linux's.
Anecdotary evidence is bullshit.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
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Before you buy.
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:42:40 +1000
"Joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > Alan Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > It was shortly after
> > > that that MS came out with Windows 3.11 to fix some small bugs that
had
> > > been in the system for awhile. It also broke OS/2 for Windows, but
that
> > > they said that was just a coincidence, not intended at all [3].
> >
> > > [3] Want to buy a bridge?
> >
> > Windows 3.1 was released a mere few weeks before Windows 3.1 was
released.
> > Windows 3.11 was released almost 2 years later. This was not "shortly
> > after". Additionally, Windows 3.11 included many of the fixes that were
in
> > Windows for Worgroups 3.11 plus enhancements such as the 32 bit disk and
> > file system modules. WfWG 3.11 was massively different from Windows
3.1,
> > despite the mere .01 version increment.
>
> Windows 3.11 was not massively different from Windows 3.1. Windows 3.11
> was released because OS/2 for Windows was a competitive threat to MS and
> thier delayed Windows 4.0 and DOS 7.0 (WIn95). All MS did was mess with
> the binaries to break OS/2 for Windows.
Yeah, I can see how the changes to file and disk I/O (and, presumably, other
things) wouldn't have had the *slightest* influence.
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From: "Come Home" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:44:53 GMT
"Bob Germer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:393cef4c$10$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 06/05/2000 at 02:56 PM,
> "Come Home" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Many of those moved to US don't have "green card".
> > They will have to come home or find home somewhere
> > once they get older and pocketed enough.
>
> First of all, let us make the totally off the wall assumption that there
> are a large number of Canadians working in the US without green cards.
> Since almost any citizen of Canada without a serious criminal history can
> easily get a green card, this is a stupid assumption at best. Nonetheless,
> even if it were the case, if those bright people who moved here return to
> Canada for early retirement, they aren't using the brains to help Canada.
I meant many of those Canadians don't have US "green card".
They have to be Canadian citizen to enjoy such level of freedom
across the border.
Some of them already got US "green card" but many others haven't.
I don't know if US allows dual citizenship or automatically void
the other one. Some are testing US water and still keep
their RSP (Retirement Saving Plan) and some assets in Canada.
If they suddenly come back years later and enjoy the same level of
retirement benefits as those who stayed, that will be a bit funny.
Anyway, never mind. I am sure we Canadians will welcome
those fellow Canadians to come home any time to fulfill our
common obligations as Canadian citizens.
We Canadians are forgiving and loving. Just come home - the
sweet home, our fellow Canadians!
O ... Canada, our home and native land ....
(Sorry, I'm not good at singing)
> --
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> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Linux+Java, the best combination of techologies
Date: 6 Jun 2000 14:41:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've always been wary of languages that claim to be portable. When
> you try using them on different platforms, you find youself coding
> to a minimal standard, and then things go downhill fast from then
> on.
While it is good to be wary, Java really does very well at providing
a genuinely useful application programming platform:
* No pointer arithmetic or bizarre casts (that's a whole shed-load
of evil bugs gone right there!)
* Garbage collection (a load more nasty bugs disposed of.)
* OO (very useful for many programs.)
* Platform independence (i.e. only compile it once, and can then
have a reasonable chance of it working on every conforming
platform. The conformance testing is pretty good too...)
* Thread support built-in.
* Exception support built-in.
* Security model built-in. (You simply can't do this with C or C++
at all.)
* A reasonable standard library, including
o Collection classes
o Networking (TCP/IP and UDP/IP)
o GUI
o Cryptography (digital signatures and encryption.)
o Database support
o Internationalization
o Introspection
o Applets
o CORBA/RPC (including loading of code across the network without
granting that code access to sensitive local state.)
o Compression (zlib-compatible)
o Arbitrary-Precision Arithmetic
* Standard embedded documentation generator (javadoc)
Estimates made by contractors to NASA put programming in Java as being
approximately four (4) times more efficient than using what their
previous technology was (probably C/C++ or Ada.) That kind of gain in
productivity is *not* to be sniffed at.
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
-- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Jack Troughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:22:58 -0400
Bob Germer wrote:
>
> On 06/05/2000 at 01:27 PM,
> "Come Home" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > US needs more doctors because Americans are less healthy
> > and demend more for health care services.
>
> The US needs more doctors because we have far more citizens, resident
> aliens, and Canadians coming here for care not available in Canada. Also
> US medicine offers treatments, porceedures, etc. not even heard of in
> Canada much less available through the government controlled and limited
> health care system.
>
> > A recent research had shown
> > that Canadians are among the healthiest in the world (ranked #12, US
> > being ranked #20).
>
> Published reference please. Otherwise this us just so much hot air.
>
> We Canadians have less doctors and less medical
> > equipment, but we are still healthier and live longer than
> > Americans.
>
> Published references please. According to the 1999 Time Alamanac, the
> average life span for white Americans is longer than for Canadians. The
> average life span for all Americans is pulled downward by the shorter life
> spans of African Americans, Asian Americans, etc.
I guess your argument works if you only consider whites as
Americans, and the rest as riff-raff sub-citizens. Please note that
in Canada the life span is not pulled down by those uppity
inconvenient black and asian people. That's because our goal is to
actually provide health care for everyone, not to make the most
bucks possible.
You're making your country look better and better all the time, Bob.
Jack
Montreal PQ
CANADA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: I Nuked Linux...Win 2K is Light Years Ahead.
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:43:53 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[Nothing of any importance, but then, what do you expect in an
*.advocacy group ??]
If it wasn't such a blatantly obvious (lame) troll,
then I'd just say ."Don't worry. Win2k will nuke itself
fast enough."
But then ...
Michael
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Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
From: Mayor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 08:10:46 -0700
In article <393ce392$5$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bob Germer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 06/05/2000 at 01:29 PM,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson) said:
>
>> Was it 60 minutes that did that "news" bit about GM truck
>> exploding in side impacts? where they set off incendiaries
>> under the tank, after having overfilled the tank and leaving
>> the cap off, then filmed the ensuing fire and explosions
>> as "proof"?
>
>Among several other absolutely false reports.
Actually that was NBC's news division. It was aired on
their 'Dateline' program.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Once again: Open-Source != Security; PGP Provides Example
Date: 6 Jun 2000 15:11:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Note that log2(n) / ln(n) = O(1) :-), if I'm using my big-O notation
> correctly.
Yes. Mathematically speaking, log2(n)/ln(n) is a constant (equal to
log2(e) of course) though limited-precision floating point math isn't
adequate to demonstrating this. :^)
> In other words, the ratio is "near to" some fixed constant (there's
> probably a rigorous definition that uses the old delta/epsilon limit
> game, familiar to those of us with elementary calculus/differential
> equations stuff).
You don't need any of that stuff. This is plain-old high-school
maths. (Not elementary school though; logs haven't been used at that
low a level for decades. $DEITY bless calculators!)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
-- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Why UNIX Rocks
Date: 6 Jun 2000 15:01:19 GMT
In article <8hfia8$euq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would argue that the operating systems of had considerably _more_
> functionality of current systems such as Linux (I refuse to call
> Linux "modern"). I was just reading a 1980 vintage brochure for VAX,
> and one of the interesting things was: "The VAX/VMS operating system
> guards against the possibility of users simultaneously updating
> records. Record locking lets many applications safely use the data in
> relative and indexed files concurrently by preventing one user for
> accessing a record until another is through updating it."
>
> Of course, 20 years later, Linux still does not have this feature or
> anything like it - it doesn't even have indexed files, and even its
> file locking is extremely primitive and rudimentary (it doesn't even
> work over the network).
Yes it does, but only if the server is running a lockd. :^)
OTOH, I'm not sure what byte-range locking would be really useful for
on Linux. Databases have more complex consistency requirements, and
(virtually) everything else just needs file-level consistency, and
that is easy to achieve with standard FS semantics. (I've used
systems that had direct OS support for records, and it was much more
of a hinderance to be coded around than a help to make your apps
shorter. While YMMV I'd be interested in hearing about specific cases
where it does.)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
-- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Murphy)
Subject: Re: Linux+Java, the best combination of techologies
Date: 6 Jun 2000 16:22:54 +0100
bill@nospam writes:
>>Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>: Actually, IBM has had a 1.3 jdk for Linux for some time now.
>>: It is very good, in my experience.
>
>IBM does not have jdk 1.3, the guy does not know what he is
>talking about. Even Sun does not make jdk 1.3 for linux yet.
Did you try the pointer I gave, http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/ ?
Or do you just know things without looking?
--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
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From: Brad BARCLAY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:29:23 -0400
Mayor wrote:
> What I really want to know is what do I have to do to get Warp 3
> to recognize my old 2X Soundblaster Multimedia Kit CD-ROM? I
> want to put it on my 486 but it keeps claiming I don't have a CD
> player. I have no desire to make the ~30 floppies AIRC! (Just to
> get a bit back on topic at least in some groups!)
Warp v3 should have the SBCD2.ADD on its install diskette set. This is
the driver you need to run this drive. Note that if you are using odd
settings for your CD-ROM or sound card that there are parameters that
can be used for this driver - you may have to manually feed it your
address and IRQ information in order to get it to recognise your drive.
I'll have to look around to see if I have a list of those parameters
anywhere - it has been a very long time since I've used a system with an
SBCD drive in it.
Brad BARCLAY
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From: Brad BARCLAY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:38:57 -0400
Joseph wrote:
>
> Brad BARCLAY wrote:
> >
> ...
> > Meanwhile, Canadian forces burned down the original White House, and
> > destroyed the primary port on the US side of Lake Ontario (at a great
> > loss of life - on both sides).
> ...
>
> Canadian forces attacked WA DC? Did they use the Canadian Navy ? I've
> never heard a Canadian tell me they, not the British, attacked WA DC.
Sigh. Let's try this: during the American Revolutionary War, what
nationality were the combatants fighting against the British?
The people of Upper and Lower Canada were British subjects, but even
back then they were refered to as Canadians. Citizenship sometimes
transcends governance.
We can call them proto-Canadians if you like. Not all of them were
British subjects (for example, the indiginous native peoples). Refering
to them as "British" is thus also quite incorrect. Most of the
combatants were born in a place called (at that time) either "Upper
Canada" or "Lower Canada", making them Canadians. There descendants
were -- and are -- also Canadians.
Nowhere have I denied that Canadians were not also British subjects.
Indeed, Canadians continued to be British subjects even after formal
Confederation (the act that made Canada a nation in the first place).
Really - I don't think that this is a very hard concept to grasp.
Brad BARCLAY
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: 6 Jun 2000 15:48:21 GMT
In article <393cede9$8$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 06/05/2000 at 02:13 PM,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) said:
>> And as far as macos goes, the deciding factor was cost, not efficiency.
Apple had long had a policy of charging premium pricing, which
cost it market share. However, Steve Jobs seems to have learned the error
of Apple's former ways.
>The Mac OS failed because it was rejected by American business which
>adopted the Intel platform because of much superior software,
Superior in what way?
> choices
>regarding hardware,
I'll concede that, but that has often come with cranky drivers.
Macintoshes, however, have had *real* plug-and-play for years.
> easier employee training, etc.
That's news to me.
> The Mac was seen as a
>basic machine suitable only for the classroom by the leaders of American
>Industry which was a very, very accurate assessment of what was, is and
>will remain a bit player in a minor road company of the computer world.
>Even the toy company produced Amiga of 1985 was superior to today's
>plastic bubble game consoles called Macs.
Plastic bubble game consoles???
>> Idiot.
>You certainly are. Only a true idiot on drugs and with serious mental
>disorders would consider a Mac superior to anything beyond an Atari.
Have you ever *used* one?????
>Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
>MR/2 Ice 2.19zf Registration Number 67
I must say that I have some respect for OS/2. However it's a pity
that Mr. Germer shows so little respect for the Macintosh.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: Shrikant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: URGENT! Linux vs MS-Exchange as email server
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 21:15:21 +0530
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Full Name wrote:
> You can run an Exchange server if you try hard enough. It has a nice
> add on that allows you to access your e-mail, diary, etc via a web
> browser.
>
> You can also sync your Palm Pilot with your Exchange mailbox.
>
> However mailboxes can become corrupted which require an export and an
> import to fix the problem. If you try to run another service (such as
> RAS) along with Exchange you may find your Exchange server takes an
> eternity to shutdown.
>
> One of the greatest problems with Exchange is the lack of server side
> tools (at least with version 5.5). You cannot manipulate your
> mailboxes from the server side. This must be done via Outlook (or
> whatever client you choose).
>
> Also it simply creates a massive binary file to store all the
> mailboxes. This may be a problem to backup.
>
> I can honestly say that I ran exchange server on a Pentium 133MHz with
> 128-MB ram for 18 months without a single server side crash. My boss
> at that time could not have survived without it and refused to counter
> the idea of switching to something else. What else can you do with a
> guy who has four people (him and three secretaries) making appoints in
> four different locations? And also insists he must be able to make
> appointments on his palm pilot while on the plane to Sydney?
>
> On Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:31:45 GMT, RHL User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I have recently learned that my company has been looking at MS-Exchange
> >as our company email server. Since I am familiar with Linux I have been
> >asking questions about this, namely why pay for MS-Exchange when Linux
> >is free. The answer to that is that our IT contractor only knows
> >MS-Exchange or Groupwise.
> >
> >
> >Can anyone help me with some info / comparisons between Linux as a mail
> >server and MS-Exchange.
> >
> >The timing is critical because I have to have a proposal ready for
> >Monday, our board of directors meet on Tuesday.
> >
> >
> >Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
> >Chris Trummer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Pl refer www.unix-vs-nt.org/kirch .
Shrikant
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