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Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:01:41 -0400
Charles Kooy wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > >
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Left-wing social causes (global warming
> > > > > > > > > > > > propaganda)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Uhm, what precisely is 'left wing' about global warming?
> > I think
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > majority of people would refer to it as an issue that
> > concerns
> > > > > > everyone.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "global warming" is a NON-event that the Left is trying to use
> > to
> > > > > > > > > > weaken the economies of capitalist economies.
> > > > > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > > > > > Why would the Left want to weaken the economies of non-
> >capitalist
> > > > > > > > > countries?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Spot the deliberate mis-quote.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ever notice who the non-capitalist countries which sign onto
> > > > > > > > idiot-pacts like the Kyoto Accords are never called on to
> > > > > > > > change THEIR production techniques (even though these same
> > > > > > > > countries put FAR more C02 into the air than western countries
> > > > > > > > for the same number of goods produced.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Kyoto accord was/is fatally flawed in many different ways. Many
> > > > > > > third world countries consider it unfair that they, who are just
> > > > > > > developing their industrial infrastructure, should be subject to the
> > > > > > > same emmission controls that rich countries have set, especially
> > when
> > > > > > > those rich countries have spent the last 150 years chucking every
> > kind
> > > > > > > of crap about. That pisses them off because their development may be
> > > > > > > stifled, as they may not be able to afford the cleaner equipment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nevertheless, this does not mean that global warming does not exist
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whether global warming exists or not (and the only data that supports
> > > > > > the conjecture is from weather stations that existed before
> > > > > > industrialization which are now buried in the middle of local
> > > > > > concrete-jungle hot-spots.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Temperature data from RURAL weather stations shows ***NO CHANGE***
> > > > > > for the last 100 years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yet temperatures at the Poles is rising, and there is also a still
> > > > > growing hole in the Ozone layer (though the latter may, admittedly, be a
> > > > > natural fluctuation - difficult to judge with the very limited amount of
> > > >
> > > > Natural fluctuation...In other words, a NON-ISSUE.
> > >
> > > Please read what I wrote. I wrote 'MAY'. It isn't definite either way.
> > > We need more data.
> >
> >
> > It is the HIGHT OF ARROGANCE to consider that man has even a noticable
> > impact on climate, short of redirecting water and latent-heat flow by
> > rerouting a river from one body of water to another (like what is being
> > done in China).
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > Do you know *WHY* the ozone-layer thins over the south pole during
> > > > the southern-hemisphere winter?
> > >
> > > Yes, I do.
> > >
> > > > 1) Ozone is produced by ultraviolet rays interacting with oxygen
> > > > atoms in the upper atmosphere
> > >
> > > Amongs other things
> >
> > Name one other source in the upper atmosphere.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > 2) Ozone breaks down over time
> > >
> > > Accelerated by a number of artificially introduced chemicals
> >
> > The biggest destroyer of ozone is Chlorine....99.95% of which
> > is introduced into the atmosphere BY THE OCEANS.
>
> And the biggest contributor of greenhouse gasses is volcanic activity.
> That doesn't mean we should spew more and more of the stuff willy nilly
> into the atmosphere.
What part of "insignificant" do you not understand?
> >
> > Admiral Byrd detected increased UV radiation at the South Pole
> > around the year 1900.
> >
> > There is ***ZERO*** data to support the *conjecture* that the
> > ozone layer is thinner now than it was 100 years ago...let alone
> > that it is due to the behavior of man.
>
> That's because there is no data available - we weren't checking back
> then.
Admiral Byrd's measurements PRECEDE large-scale industrialization.
BTW....if there's NO historical data, then the logical response of the
chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling-control-freak-left is to claim that
they just discovered a catastrophe.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > 3) Any airmasss which doesn't get exposed to ultraviolet light
> > > > experiences a decrease in ozone levels
> > >
> > > True
>
> But meant to say, airmasses aren't stationary - they move around.
Which impacts my argument this much: ZERO.
>
> > >
> > > > 4) Each polar region experiences a 90-day "night" during that
> > > > hemisphere's winter.
> > >
> > > True
> > >
> > > > QED.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Actually, I suspect that the factors are rather more complex than that,
> > > and I'd rather get an atmospheric scientist's opinion on this.
> >
> >
> > Is chemistry that difficult for you?
>
> Atmospheric science is a specialist field. I'd rather stick to what I've
> been educated in.
I already TOLD you what the specialists in the field say, MORON.
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > historical data available on that particular issue). There is a lot of
> > > > > ice at the poles. What do you think will happen when that ice starts
> > > > > melting. Nothing?
> > > >
> > > > No such thing is happening. A 2-mile hole in the cap was cleared by
> > > > ice-breakers as a PUBLICITY STUNT. If this were a GENUINE process,
> > > > then the whole ice cap would have been broken up....not PACKED LIKE
> > > > A GLACIER as shown in the publicity-stunt photograph.
> > >
> > > Please read what I wrote. I wrote 'WHEN that ice starts melting'.
> > > However, icebergs are being seen earlier and in larger quantities than
> > > in the past. That suggests that something is causing the ice to break
> > > up.
> >
> >
> > Shit happens. In the late 1600's, there was ONE YEAR, which
> > contemporary
> > writers called, "The Year Without a Summer" wherein the entire
> > spring/summer/fall sequence of months had temperatures approximately
> > 20 F degrees (12 C) lower than normal.
>
> Wasn't that due to a volcanic eruption in Asia somewhere? I seem to
> recall something like that. Could be wrong, though.
So, you ADMIT that natural forces are FAR more powerful than anything
that we can do.
>
> I know the birth of Anak Krakatoa also caused climatic disruption. and
> some very impressive sunsets!
Yes...temperature fluctuation on the order of 10 degrees.
And yet, with ALL of our industrialization, the eco-paranoids are
claiming a 1/2 degree change in 100 years.
>
> > How did mankind induce this anomoly, and what did we due to restore
> > the prevailing climate to normal?
Notice how he didn't answer this.
> >
> > >
> > > I've not heard of Icebreakers being used for a publicity stunt. And if
> >
> > Go find the photos...it's quite obvious that a patch was cleared with
> > some sort of sea-fencing. The perimeter of the North Pole "hole"
> > is clogged with piled-up sheet-ice....indicative of "crop-circle"
> > shenanigans.
> >
> >
> > > they had they'd have wandered about bits of frozen sea, not the cap
> > > itself, because it is several miles thick. Not something that any
> >
> > Then how come US nuclear subs REGULARLY find hole and surface at
> > the North Pole??? They have been doing this continously for over
> > 40 years.
> That's the geographic North Pole, which Robert Peary may have reached by
> dog sled in 1909, and Byrd definitely did in '26, is covered by drifting
> pack ice. The first submarine to reach it was the Nautilus in '58 and
> Skate in '59.
>
> The Magnetic North Pole, which is the more useful one, and the one I was
> talking about (really, how much does the geographic North Pole affect
> your life?) was at about 78º27' N, 104º24' W back in '93 (it moves
> around a bit), placing it around the Queen Elizabeth Islands in Northern
> Canada, while the geomagnetic North Pole was at 79º13' N, 71º14' W back
> then. The thickness of the icesheet in the Polar regions varies. Of
> course, the Geographic North Pole, being an icepack, is fairly easy for
> a submarine to pierce, but elsewhere it isn't so easy. For instance, a
> 1,400 foot hole drilled in the snow sheet in Greenland didn't even get
> to the underlying glacial ice, while an ice core was retrieved at a
> depth of more than 4,560 feet from Northern Greenland (Camp Century,
> IIRC). It gets better. In 1981 a core was hauled up from 6,680 feet,
> also in Greenland.
>
> Before you say anything - yes, the Greenland Ice cap is generally
> considered part of the Polar region. The inland ice field is the second
> largest in the world, stretching almost 1,600 miles, and 600 miles wide.
> It has an average thickness of around 5,700 feet, increasing to around
> 11,000 feet in the middle of Greenland.
It's also ON LAND so it doesn't get from the bottom melted by saltwater.
>
> >
> > > Icebreaker can take on, and it will take an awfully long of time for
> > > that to melt.
> >
> > It was either pushed aside by using some sort of "bulldozer method",
> > or a perimeter gradually expanded by netting while boats outside
> > the perimeter broke up the sheet-ice.
>
> That's an awful lot of effort to go to. Have you any documentary proof
> for that? I'm willing to believe it, but I need some proof.
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Please explain the sudden appearance of a 2-mile diameter patch of
clear ocean COMPLETELY SURROUNDED by ice-floes..
WITHOUT HUMAN INTERVENTION, Brownian motion assures that the area in
question would be equally populated with ice floes.
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Global warming is all about providing an excuse for removing personal
> > > > > > freedoms, and implementing more socialism as an attempt to keep those
> > > > > > who are rich and powerful (Kennedys, Rockefellers, Rothchilds, etc.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Aha - I see you feel it necessary to single out a Catholic family and
> > > > > two Jewish ones.
> > > >
> > > > Fuck you, racist pig. Religion has nothing to do with it...Plutocratic
> > > > behavior does.
> > >
> > > Thank you. You are most charming. One would have to be warped indeed to
> >
> > I'm just returning your favors, asshole.
> > If you don't like crap, then don't be dishing it out.
>
> I would say I'm not dishing out crap, nor am I resorting to really
> rather childish insults.
Your lies betray you.
>
> >
> > > interpret what I wrote as racist, while it is easy for an impartial
> > > reader to do so with your words of wisdom.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Do you have a problem with them, or were they just the
> > > > > first to come to mind?
> > > >
> > > > They are the best known wealthy-assholes in these parts. They are
> > > > all known for pandering to the poor by promoting legislation that
> > > > is harmful to anybody trying to improve their own personal economic
> > > > situation.
> > > >
> > > > Socialism is merely a way for the "kings of the mountain" to
> > > > a) install underground refrigeration to freeze the mountain side, and
> > > > b) hose down the mountain side with water until it's covered with
> > > > a sheet of ice...
> > > >
> > > > All at the expense of those on the bottom
> > > >
> > > > The quicker you and your friends figure this out, the sooner you
> > > > will be allowed to KEEP YOUR OWN MONEY.
> > >
> > > I should make clear that I am a capitalist. A gentle one, admittedly,
> > > but a capitalist nonetheless. And I've plenty of money. Thanks for your
> > > concern, though.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > at the top by utterly destroying the means for anybody else to
> > > > > > rise withing the socio-economic structure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Really? How do you explain the increase in the number of
> > > > > multi-millionaires over the last 40 or so years? They seem to have done
> > > > > pretty well... Not to mention the substantial growth in the size of the
> > > > > middle classes since the 1950's, and particularly since the early
> > > > > 1980's. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > >
> > > > That corresponds QUITE WELL with Reagan's initiatives to reduce
> > > > socialism
> > >
> > > This would be the same Reagan who cranked up the US deficit to a quite
> > > astonishing degree, no? But I was actually thinking of many countries
> >
> > More typical fucking marxist disinformation bullshit lies.
>
> Please, is swearing absolutely necessary?
Since you are a fucking marxist disinformation bullshit artist, YES.
> > The president doesn't have the authority to spend a single penny.
> >
> > Reagan chided congress into lowering taxes. The economic growth
> > that ensued caused tidal wave of increased tax revenues...
> > But the DEMOCRATS (i.e. Marxist socialists) decided that this would
> > be horrible to let go unmolested, so they INCREASED SPENDING at
> > such a rate that for every new dollar of tax revenues, the Democrats
> > enacted THREE dollars of spending increases.
>
> One would be hard pushed to call the US Democratic party as 'Marxists',
Then why are all of their programs congruent with Marxist philosophy?
> but then I doubt you know what Marxist philosophy entails. I suggest you
> read some Marxist literature, so you actually know what you're talking
I have.
> about. I'd also recommend that you read 'The Soviet Planned Economy,
> first published (in English) by Progress Publishers in 1974. Read that
> and you'll know a little more, and, more to the point, be grateful that
> the Democrats are not Marxists Socialists.
Name one modern Democrat who is willing to criticize communism.
>
> But I doubt you will.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > around the western world - you know, the Scandinavian ones, Germany, The
> > > Benelux, France, heck, even Italy and Spain. Not just the US.
> > >
> > > Of course, having seen your posts around Usenet (and some of your
> > > outlandish claims) I know that you consider all of Europe to employ a
> > > more extreme form of Stalinism as its favoured political system, but
> > > hey, it doesn't seem to have done them much harm.
> > >
> > > Excuse me, I've just got to go off and polish up my black helicopter and
> > > get me some running dog capitalist lackeys! ;-)
> >
> > Strange how the more capitalistic the country, the better it's
> > economy AND standard of living for ALL citizens is..
>
> All citizens? Uhh, yeah right. The average standard of living in
> Scandinavian countries is awesome, on par with, if not exceeding that of
> the US has to offer its normal citizens. They've got socialist
> governments. Unfortunately taxes are very high, but, as I said, the
translation: they have little economic freedom.
> standard of living is awesome. Personally I don't mind paying taxes if
> it is for the good of people less fortunate than I.
>
> Purely capitalist countries tend to show a huge gap between rich and
> poor. Besides, the Kennedy, Rothschild and Rockefellers were all
> capitalists. I thought you didn't much care for them?
My Russian tutor says that, in comparison to back home, it is
rather difficult to tell the difference between the rich and the poor.
Only in America can one live in a 2-bedroom house, with cable TV
and a car, and be classified as being "in poverty".
>
> ck
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:06:20 -0400
"Joe R." wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Joe R." wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > It is the HIGHT OF ARROGANCE to consider that man has even a noticable
> > > > impact on climate,
> > >
> > > And the height of lunacy to refuse to consider it.
> >
> > I've considered. Then I've looked at the numbers.
> >
> > Take ALL CO2-producing human activity on the face of the planet, and
> > it amounts to a mere fraction OF JUST THE TERMITES (1/20th, to be
> > exact).
>
> First of all, I doubt your numbers. Please feel free to provide them.
>
> Second, CO2 is not the only greenhouse gas. In fact, it's one of the
> weakest. There are materials which have many orders of magnitude higher
> greenhouse effect.
Yes. Water Vapor is the biggest. Of which the primary sources are
evaporation from the oceans, and animal respiration.
>
> Third, you're assuming that greenhouse gases are the only impact humans
> have had on the environment. They're not.
The forces of nature are FAR stronger than those of man.
Leave a building unheated in Michigan for 5 years, and it will most
likely be in very sorry shape, if not a pile of rubble.
>
> Finally, you're assuming that the system can't be upset by even a small
> change in the environment.
The negative feedback mechanisms are very strong.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:10:36 -0400
Bob Germer wrote:
>
> On 09/05/2000 at 02:20 AM,
> "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said in response to absolute nonsense
> posted by T.Max Devilin:
>
> > > >If demand for private schools exceeds available space, more schools will
> > > >be created.
> > >
> > > If demand for private schools exceeds available space, then they should
> > > be shut down and the money diverted to public schools. If better public
> > > schools are needed, better public schools will be created.
>
> Only a T. Max, an algore, or a Bubba Clinton could support such nonsense.
> Following that twisted logic, Ford, GM, Daimler Chrysler, Toyota, Nissan,
> etc., etc. should be shut down and the government should build the cars.
> Likewise, IBM, Apple, MS, Compaq, Dell, etc. etc. should be shut down and
> the government should build our computers. Individual and corporate
> farmers should be put out of business and the government should raise our
> food.
>
> If TMAX is listing, he MIGHT just recognize just such an economic model.
> It was done in Russia, It is done in China. It's called Communisim.
>
> NEWS FLASH FOR TMAX: IT FAILED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, it works quite well at keeping little guys like T-Max at
the bottom of the totem pole.
>
> > I see. So you're opposed to people being able to choose how to educate
> > their kids?
>
> Of course he is. Individual liberty and responsibility are alien concepts
> to idiots like TMAX.
>
> > Not surprising given your penchant for having the government control
> > every element of everyone's lives.
>
> > No thanks.
>
> AMEN!!!!!!!
>
> --
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 14
> MR/2 Ice 2.20 Registration Number 67
> Finishing in 2nd place makes you first loser
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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