Linux-Advocacy Digest #930, Volume #31 Sat, 3 Feb 01 09:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: My open-source quote (Andres Soolo)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( ("--====--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Re: The 130MByte text file ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Add to the microsoft secret code ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: My open-source quote ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: My open-source quote ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: My open-source quote ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: questions (windows & Mac)....? (Shane Phelps)
Re: How long does your box run for? (Shane Phelps)
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My open-source quote
Date: 3 Feb 2001 12:19:54 GMT
jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> permanently mounted on the pedals, unremovable noisemakers stuck in the
> spokes, a funny sounding horn, no chain guard, extra large training
Don't worry.
The next version will have THEMES for the horn.
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dental health is next to mental health.
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From: "--==<\( Jeepster \)>==--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:57:30 -0000
Again, your parody fails, I am from the North of the Country, and so your
attempt at a London accent does not apply.
What this has to do is that the North Western hemisphere is way ahead of
your lot.
So ner.
"Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> oye, beg'in me pardon govern'na but what do'es western culture have to do
with
> the maintance and installation of linux?
>
> Matt
>
> "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
>
> > Frence?
> >
> > Is that near Eyetally?
> >
> > Oh, for what it is worth, I am from England.
> >
> > "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > nope, I am a New Zealander. oooo, let be guess, Frence? no, they're
not
> > as
> > > arrogant as you are, I give up....where are you from?
> > >
> > > matt
> > >
> > > "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Did I say I was American?
> > > >
> > > > Please try again, or are you one of the ex-colonists that think that
all
> > > > things in the world revolve around US 'culture' and the power of the
> > burger?
> > > >
> > > > No. Not American.
> > > >
> > > > "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > your point being? or are you one of those 90% of americans who did
not
> > > > know the
> > > > > rest of the world was real, and not a urban myth?
> > > > >
> > > > > matt
> > > > >
> > > > > "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Listen, living all the way down at the bottom of the world as
you
> > do,
> > > > where
> > > > > > dark and terrible things happen to chicken heads and the sheep
> > tremble
> > > > when
> > > > > > wellies are worn, you cannot in all of the heavens honestly dare
to
> > > > comment
> > > > > > on our north western 'magic' can you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, are you some sort of Borg collective?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > use SuSE Linux with reiserfs, then life will be easier. Also,
> > until
> > > > you
> > > > > > > actually use other distro's and stop bitching like an old hen,
NOW
> > ONE
> > > > > > > will take you seriously as a Linux critic, instead most will
view
> > you
> > > > as
> > > > > > > a 15 year old punk with a chip on his shoulder.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Matt
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut
down
> > > > > > > > properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off
but
> > then
> > > > > > > > just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a
second
> > or
> > > > 2
> > > > > > > > and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a
couple
> > of
> > > > > > > > times and it goes through the same routine, over and over
and
> > over
> > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
> > > > > > > > Can't login to another terminal.
> > > > > > > > Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
> > > > > > > > BRS time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5
hours
> > of
> > > > > > > > churning still has not produced a working system.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm going to let it churn over night and see what happens
but I
> > > > don't
> > > > > > > > expect much.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Great system this Linux.
> > > > > > > > Great system indeed.
> > > > > > > > Great system NOT!!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it
IS
> > Linux
> > > > > > > > because that is the distribution that I bought.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Flatfish
> > > > > > > > Why do they call it a flatfish?
> > > > > > > > Remove the ++++ to reply.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:00:47 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > So then just use what works and don't whine about what doesn't. That's
> > what any mentally healthy person does.
>
> I don't like EMACS. I do like the KDE style editors. They're the ones
> that either bomb or hang the system.
...wrong... 'hanging the system' is a Microsoft technique.
>
> --
> ---
> Pete
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Add to the microsoft secret code
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:04:33 -0500
pip wrote:
>
> gswork wrote:
> >
> > On a lighter note, In comp.programming someone called fhanna
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted a 'microsoft secret code' spoof to which I
> > added a bit. I searched for it on this NG and didnt find it so it
> > *might* be new to some of you.
> > [snip]
>
> Doh!,
>
> You forgot to add unused references, structures, bitmaps and
> other unused resources to your vc++ project build settings.
> Also you need include random invalid page faults and make sure
> your timer is an int.
typedef picoseconds short int;
picoseconds timer;
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My open-source quote
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:06:42 -0500
jim wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Dan Hinojosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Open source is like a bicycle without a seat. Sure it works like
> other
> > bicycles, but the comfort using it is not there."
> >
> > --Dan Hinojosa, Java Developer
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, the closed source bicycle has a seat, but it also comes bundled
> with unremovable rear view mirrors, an un removable carriage rack, old
> fashioned fenders, an irreplaceable 3 speed shift, stirrups
> permanently mounted on the pedals, unremovable noisemakers stuck in the
> spokes, a funny sounding horn, no chain guard, extra large training
> wheels permanently mounted, a single headlight permanently mounted
> between the handlebars which doesn't work, and a large pink wire basket
> permanently mounted.
you forgot the worst part.
The closed-source seat has an un-removable anal-probe, which is unremovable
because it's the main structural member.
>
> Lets go ridin' boys.
>
> --
> deja.com - learn what you know, share what you don't
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My open-source quote
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:16:08 -0500
Dan Hinojosa wrote:
>
> "Open source is like a bicycle without a seat. Sure it works like other
> bicycles, but the comfort using it is not there."
>
Only if your defintion of "comfortable" includes an un-removable anal-probe
with optional testicle-squeezer-and-perforator.
> --Dan Hinojosa, Java Developer
So, what Dan is saying, is that, if he wrote something, and released
it under GPL or something similar, that he would do a 3rd-rate job on
it.
Sounds like a problem with your own personal standards Dan.
Reminds me of the time the Chicago police department took a bunch of
reporters to the "reaction" range. The reporters who had a record of
writing the most anti-gun and anti-police articles coincided quite well
with the reporters who had a lot of "shot bystander and/or cop" shots.
Inother words...many times, when someone complains about someone else's
non-existance failings...what they are REALLY doing is complaining about
their own failings.
With the Chicago journalists...it was their OWN inability to use firearms
responsibly...with YOU, it's your OWN reluctance to write quality code
without
some manager breathing down your neck making sure you actually do some
error checking and recovery.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My open-source quote
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:16:52 -0500
Andres Soolo wrote:
>
> jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > permanently mounted on the pedals, unremovable noisemakers stuck in the
> > spokes, a funny sounding horn, no chain guard, extra large training
> Don't worry.
> The next version will have THEMES for the horn.
And same nasty design, but a choice of colors.
whooooooooopdee freaking do..
>
> --
> Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Dental health is next to mental health.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:18:31 -0500
Karel Jansens wrote:
>
> Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >
> > Nigel wrote:
> >
> > > Also, the Acorn Archimedes had 32bit multitasking 8 years before win95
> > > came out (and had a very similar taskbar idea to the one in win95).
> >
> > It was cooperative multitasking, which is not quite as good as the
> > multitasking used in Linux, Windows 9x and 2000.
> >
>
> Cooperative and pre-emptive multitasking are merely two different ways
> of doing the same thing. Cooperative multitasking is more dependent on
> well-behaving programs (since it usually is the program that decides
> when it will give up control of the cpu). This is less of a problem in
> envrionments with stricter quality control, like the Apple and Acorn
> architectures. The major advantage of cooperative multitasking lies in
> a more economic use of system resources.
Actually not.
>
> One could say that Windows and linux required pre-emptive multitasking
> because more crap is written for those platforms <G>.
No. Pre-emptive multi-tasking is basically a REQUIREMENT for system
stability...it's not a guarantee...but you'll NEVER have a stable
system without it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Karel Jansens
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:19:59 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:23:05 +0100, Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:03:24 +0100, Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >> >Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Nigel wrote:
> [deletia]
> >> >One could say that Windows and linux required pre-emptive multitasking
> >> >because more crap is written for those platforms <G>.
> >>
> >> No, the Unix design paradigm has never been naieve enough to
> >> believe that a random collection of developers would ever
> >> play well with each other.
> >>
> >> This is bourne out in practice, Apples included.
> >>
> >> --
> >Um. There *was* a sarcastic <G> at the end of the post, but you're
> >right. It seems like Microsoft found that out too. But not too well,
> >hence the hodgepodge which was Windows 95 multitasking.
>
> Knowing about something and a willingess to actually
> put the required work into the solution are two
> vastly different things....
>
> >
> >IBM did it like it should have been done with OS/2 2.0 and Warp.
> [deletia]
>
> For them, the PC was an abberation.
It's the demon-child which nearly ruined them.
Certainly tarnished the luster on their (undeserved) reputation.
>
> --
>
> Also while the herd mentality is certainly there, I think the
> nature of software interfaces and how they tend to interfere
> with free choice is far more critical. It's not enough to merely
> have the "biggest fraternity", you also need a way to trap people
> in once they've made a bad initial decision.
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:22:59 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "." wrote:
> > >
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > Microsoft has done more than any other company to put computers into
> > > > the home and to make them friendly and fun to use.
> > >
> > > Apple did more. It cannot be denied that MacOS is easier to use
> > > than windows, and much easier to learn.
> >
> > I disagree. I have stated over and over, easier to learn and easier to use
> are
> > different things.
> >
> > The Mac (and Windows) are very hard to use. You have to do many repetitive
> > steps, you have to learn a whole new language of pictures. Where as a
> command
> > line system uses language skills which we humans have developed over eons,
> in
> > favor of the pictographic expressions for the purpose of simplification.
> No one
> > argues that a graphic system is well suited for graphic applications, but
> > logical tasks require words not mice.
>
> False, we have writing for only couple of thousands years, we have eyes for
> *much* longer. (Try couple of hundreds of millions of years)
> We can understand pictures much better than text.
That must be why you are reading USENET in heiroglyphics, eh?
The fact is, text is FAR more efficient for expressing complex ideas
(because 10,000 pictures can be summarized with a single word).
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: questions (windows & Mac)....?
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:41:21 +1100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:40:37 +1100, Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Peter Hayes wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 18:48:45 -0000, "Daza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > Apple are leagues
> >> > ahead of everyone else at designing hardware and software for the average
> >> > man/women/alien in the street.
> >>
> >> Then why isn't the world and its brother running Macs? Style over
> >> substance.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >
> >Because Apple priced itself out of the market in the early 1990s when MS
> >released Windows 3.1.
>
> What about the 80's?
>
> There was at least 5 years there were there was NO viable
> GUI from Microsoft. Even when Microsoft did manage one
> (early 90's) you still had to deal with ALL of the old
> 1981 sort of arcana from MS-DOS.
>
> Windows 3.1 WAS STILL DOS.
>
The 80s. Those were the days. GUIs hadn't been invented in the 80s.
They were still WIMPs back then :-)
It's going back a while, but I seem to recall that the computer press
and most of the x86 camp were very dismissive of WIMPs in general,
and the Mac in particular. Apple's policies didn't help much,either :-(
The reason I concentrated on the release of Windows 3.1 is because that
gave Apple the real window (pun intended) of opportunity. The press
suddenly became very supportive of GUIs, as did MS. If Apple had launched
a well-planned campaign to push the Mac at that stage I think they would
have won. They had a few years in which they could have done it, but
it didn't work out that way. I think there were a couple of x86 emulators
available on the 68k Macs, but they may have come along later.
Apple wasn't a particularly nice company to do business with at that stage,
either. Who knows, we may all have been complaining about the Apple Tax
and that @$*$ Steve Jobs (or more likely, John Scully) in a different
timeline :-)
> [deletia]
>
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How long does your box run for?
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:06:11 +1100
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <95fvj5$a3l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) wrote:
> >With Linux 2.4 providing supercomputer capability and Solaris and AIX being
> >offered $999 boxes (MSRP), any claims by Microsoft of superior TCO based on
> >comparisons between $25,000 Unix servers and $2000 NT machines are looking
> >more and more absurd.
> >
>
> I think you have that backwards.
> We paid $80,000 for our Silicon Rax Windows servers.
>
> And that system can't beat my $2500 desktop equipped
> with Debian 2.2 R2. No shit!
>
You may not have read it Charlie, but I think Rex was indirectly referring
to MS's infamous "linux TCO" report, which is actually a very high-level
comparison of the running costs of Solaris and NT sites. It's a bit
hard to find if you don't know about it, but well worth a read.
Go to MS's web site, search for "linux myths" and follow the TCO link.
This is the report that Chad Mulligan treated as Gospel ;-)
The report was written in 1998, when you would have been hard-pressed to
buy a Sun server for under $25k. I think the $2k Compaq servers are a slight
exaggeration, but $5k would have been the upper limit.
The world has changed considerably since then, and the $999 rack-mount
Suns
are part of that change.
Sun's big stuff is still rather expensive, but there's not a lot in the
market segments they fill, and certainly not anything from the x86 world.
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