Linux-Advocacy Digest #954, Volume #26 Wed, 7 Jun 00 13:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Computer and memory (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (abraxas)
Re: Linux+Java, the best combination of techologies (Brian Langenberger)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (josco)
Re: Linux+Java, the best combination of techologies (JEDIDIAH)
Re: The State of the System Address (Edward Rosten)
Re: Computer and memory ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Bob Germer)
Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ? (JEDIDIAH)
u98ejr (Edward Rosten)
I hate nutscrape sometimes (Edward Rosten)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (C Lund)
Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ? (Leslie Mikesell)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 16:11:19 GMT
On 7 Jun 2000 15:44:57 GMT, Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Olivier Borgeaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>[SNIP]
>
>I cannot say what other operating systems need for optimal performance,
>but I do know for a fact that WindowsNT v4's "sweet spot" is 64MB of RAM
>or more.
NTW4 could certainly use more than a mere 64M. It's far too
easy to overwhelm, even with a slight load, running little
more than basic desktop stuff (Netscrape,IE,Office,Winamp &
a few xterms).
Star Office doesn't do very well on NT with a mere 64M either.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: 7 Jun 2000 16:12:53 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 06/06/2000 at 01:54 PM,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) said:
>> 2. you're too senile to understand that I was actually agreeing with you
> That would mean I was likely wrong were it true.
Well, it appears to be true that youre old and senile, and I know for
a fact that I was agreeing with you. I dont expect you to understand though.
>> 3. you're seeing enemies everywhere now, arent you germer
> Nope. No idiot is worthy of the title of enemy. I only have worthy
> opponents and you are not among that group.
Worthy opponents? Maybe its time you retire, eh?
>> 4. im using apostrophes because its a good deed to be nice to old people
> Why didn't you use one in im? Why didn't you capitalize the I? Stupidity
> is always totally apparent.
I thought the [sic] was implied in the above statement. Apparantly besides
being old, senile, and insane, you are stupid as well.
>> 5. its not a false name
> Then how come a search of several international databases, phone
> information services, driver license records, etc. doesn't show anyone by
> that name?
1. My phone is not in my name
2. My phone numbers (4 of them) are not listed
3. You are imagining that you searched 'international databases' and
'drivers license records'. You didnt, bob. Maybe you should go lie down
for a while.
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux+Java, the best combination of techologies
Date: 7 Jun 2000 16:13:15 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Thank you. I have JRE installed and it works. Now I need to set a
: CLASSPATH variable. I am not sure how to do this. Before, I set it in
: a BAT file with DOS but I don't know what kind of file or the format of
: the file for Linux.
That depends on your shell, which you can look up in /etc/passwd
if need be. For tcsh/csh(?), use the "setenv" command, like:
setenv CLASSPATH "foopath:barpath"
but for bash/sh, I think you need:
CLASSPATH="foopath:barpath"
Hopefully that'll be enough to get you started.
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From: josco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:25:11 -0700
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> Alan Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > There is no new functionality in the 3.11 release of Windows
> > and all of the drivers being added or refreshed have been
> > available on the Windows Driver Library and Microsoft's
> > Download Service.
>
> > So, no 32-bit disk and file modules for 3.11.
>
> I clearly remember seeing the checkbox for 32 bit disk access in Windows
> 3.11. This seems odd.
http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/win32_driver.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Linux+Java, the best combination of techologies
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 16:28:13 GMT
On 7 Jun 2000 16:13:15 GMT, Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>: Thank you. I have JRE installed and it works. Now I need to set a
>: CLASSPATH variable. I am not sure how to do this. Before, I set it in
>: a BAT file with DOS but I don't know what kind of file or the format of
>: the file for Linux.
...depending on the particular implementation you might not need
to set the CLASSPATH & trying to set it could be a bad thing.
>
>That depends on your shell, which you can look up in /etc/passwd
>if need be. For tcsh/csh(?), use the "setenv" command, like:
>
>setenv CLASSPATH "foopath:barpath"
>
>but for bash/sh, I think you need:
>
>CLASSPATH="foopath:barpath"
>
>Hopefully that'll be enough to get you started.
>
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From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The State of the System Address
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:33:13 +0100
Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Cihl wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> > 4. The X Window System is mostly network transparent.
> >>
> >> You can leave the word 'mostly'.
> >>
> >
> >Total poppycock! X is mostly network transparent. The shared memory extension won't
>work over a network.
>
> And it knows it and transparently uses something else in that case...
>
d'oh.
-ed
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: 7 Jun 2000 16:33:40 GMT
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: On 7 Jun 2000 15:44:57 GMT, Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >Olivier Borgeaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: >
: >[SNIP]
: >
: >I cannot say what other operating systems need for optimal performance,
: >but I do know for a fact that WindowsNT v4's "sweet spot" is 64MB of RAM
: >or more.
: NTW4 could certainly use more than a mere 64M. It's far too
Of course. I was merely stating that WindowsNT v4, with 64MB of RAM will
operate well, with minimal paging, for basic tasks (remote administration,
file management, etc.). Now, when it comes to running large applications,
yes, you'll want more RAM available, as it is with any OS.
: easy to overwhelm, even with a slight load, running little
: more than basic desktop stuff (Netscrape,IE,Office,Winamp &
: a few xterms).
Xterms under NT?
: Star Office doesn't do very well on NT with a mere 64M either.
I wouldn't know. I haven't tried Star Office. At this point, the only
application I've been running is Lightwave [6]. It's a big dog, but it
does manage to render very bloody fast.
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| = :| "Artificial Intelligence -- The engineering of systems that
| | yield results such as, 'The answer is 6.7E23... I think.'"
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Subject: Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 7 Jun 2000 17:35:03 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> You can't even grok Windows-isms in another enviroment, you
> can't be too bright or experienced.
Yeah right. Your arrogance is astounding.
> ...and I did the same thing, except with at 4M PNG and Linux didn't
> so much as burp...
Well bully for you. On my system I saw a definate slow down.
>>tried to start up a console prompt to try to kill the process that was
>>behaving badly, this is not evidence of printing bringing the system to
>>its knees?
>
> Not necessarily.
Which is it then?
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Pete Goodwin
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 16:36:09 GMT
On 06/07/2000 at 10:38 AM,
Jack Troughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> > Unlike the controlled doctors in Canada, our physicians are free to
> > prescribe the BEST available medicines. Physicians can permit the
> > pharmacist to substitute a lesser expensive generic equivalent or not.
> Isn't that taking choice away from the pharmacist and/or patient?
No. If the physician doesn't see any difference in potency, etc. between
one brand or another and/or a generic equivalent, he lets the choice up to
the pharmacist or patient. If he does think that one particular brand is
better than alternatives, he can make the pharmacist use the name brand.
> > > Yup. Tax payers.
> >
> > Then it isn't free. Moreover, it is more costly because an expensive
> > government agency of parasites must also be supported.
> Free speech, not free beer. I can't help but notice that the US spends
> far more per capita on health care than we do, and still doesn't succeed
> in covering the entire population.
A significant part of this problem is caused not by physicans but by
insurance companies forced into raising premiums thanks to the huge over
abundance of starving lawyers in this country.
Also, that figure is compiled by adding up the income of all the doctors,
hospitals, etc. and dividing by the population at the last census. Were we
to deduct the income provided our doctors and pharmacists by Canadians and
divide by the real population, it would look substantially different.
>
> > > > In Canada it is the wage earners who are taxed
> > > > beyond reason,
> >
> > > In your opinion, what is a "reasonable" amount of tax? Zero?
> >
> > A graduated income tax with a maximum rate less than 35%. Or a flat tax of
> > 20% with the lowest 25% of income families exempt, the next 25% taxed at
> > 10%. The upper half taxed at 20% with no shelters or deductions for other
> > than real estate taxes on the primary home only.
> That's a progressive tax, Bob. However, it sounds quite reasonable to
> me...
Graduated is just another way of saying progressive as opposed to a flat
or regressive tax.
> > My wife's doctor requested an MRI of her esophagus to see if her chronic
> > heartburn had caused any damage. She had a choice of Imaging center to go
> > to. She called the one closest to our home. They had a 2 day wait. The
> > next closest, less than a mile farther, said come in tomorrow. (She
> > couldn't go that day because the MD wanted it done after a 12 hour fast).
> > That doesn't happen in Canada.
> Depends on the level of urgency.
See a previous post of mine about what happened to a real person in
Montreal. See the admissions that Canada sends busloads of people here for
tests.
> Now if only they would restrict the seats for lawyers in the same way.
> ;)
Ah yes. What a wonderful idea.
I'll make you all a deal. We'll send you 5 physicians, a state of the art
MRI, a state of the art CAT scanner, and 50 high tech jobs for every 100
lawyers you take off our hands.
> > One gets what one pays for. In Canada it is least common denominator care.
> > Even England permits persons to pay for services rather than go to the
> > national system assigned doctors.
> I get to choose who my doctor is.
Can you go to a specialist without a referral? Can you see Dr. Smith
today, Dr. Jones tomorrow, and Dr. Whomever next week? Can you go to a
podiatrist without a referral? Does your system pay for Chiropractic care?
> > You don't have as efficient a police force. And I don't believe that
> > holding 25.1 grams of marijuana is a felony in Canada, it is here. I don't
> > believe selling a single joint within 1000 feet of a school is a felony.
> > It is here.
> Possession and trafficking in marijuana is covered by the criminal code.
> Strictly speaking, having any quantity is a crime. The enforcement of
> it, OTOH... which is a good thing. Pot being illegal is dumb dumb dumb
> in my opinion. Booze is a much more harmful and dangerous drug than pot.
I won't get into the argument about legalizing all narcotics. I think we
would solve most of our violent crimes since most burglaries, muggings,
etc. are done to support an illegal drug habit.
I have long made the argument that were we to legalize narcotics,
gambling, and prostitution, we could cut our crime rate by 90% plus lower
our police costs by half since so much of their resources are spent
chasing criminals who are basically drug users, gamblers, or horny.
I once proposed this to the late Frank Rizzo, former mayor of Philadelphia
and before that Phila. Police Commissioner. His reply? "The average cop on
the beat couldn't take the cut in pay."
> If you sell a joint more than 1000 feet away from a school, is it legal?
No it is a misdemeanor handled in Municipal Court where the maximum fine
is $500 and/or 364 days in jail depending on the amount, your record, etc.
Over 25 grams is a felony heard in Superior Court and the fines and jail
terms are much worse.
> >
> > That is a blatant lie. Freedom is measured in far more complex concepts
> > than monetary. Freedom is measured in how much or little government
> > controls a citizen's life. Freedom is measured in how well protected a
> > citizen is if arrested. Freedom is measured in terms of the ability of a
> > citizen to decide how much health insurance he wishes to purchase. Freedom
> > is measured in what sort of health care a person desires to obtain.
> > Freedom is the ability of a person to seek medical care from a specialist
> > without having to have a referral from a hack assigned by the government.
> > Freedom is tha ability of a physician to decide whom he will treat and
> > whom he will not treat.
> So if all the doctors in a town get together and decide they aren't
> going to treat any black people, is that ok with you?
Absolutely NOT! We have public accomodation laws which apply to doctors,
dentists, lawyers, architects, etc. A doctor can refuse all new patients.
An OB-GYN can refuse to take new obstetrical patients. However, he or she
cannot discriminate due to race, color, creed, national origin, previous
condition of servitude, etc. The law has been extended to provide the same
protection for AIDS patients, sexual orientation, etc.
> Bob hasn't considered the effect of winter on our infrastructure
> costs... which is significant. I have another post in this thread about
> it.
We have earthquakes, draughts, dust bowls, severe winter over 2/3 of the
country, hurricanes, etc. Six of one; half a dozen of the other.
> > We don't have a government trying to control every one of our daily
> > actions. We don't have a big brother telling us what we can and can't have
> > in terms of health care. We don't have a parasite government agency
> > forcing the controlled doctors to use the cheapest alternative at the
> > expense of the patient's wellbeing.
> Drugs are chemicals. The brand name on the box has no bearing on the
> chemical inside of it. You want to pay more for brand recognition in
> drugs?
Reputable university funded and conducted studies have shown that not all
generic brands are truly equivalent in potency, efficacy, etc. as others
in the case of some generics. They have also shown significant variation
in absorption rates of some licensed patented brands vs. the original with
some drugs.
> > > > We are not so mendacious as to soak our citizens for onerous
> > > > taxes which are given back in large part to visitors when they leave the
> > > > US.
> >
> > > Huh? Care to explain what you meant by that?
> >
> > Yep. In most Canadian provinces, the HST, GST, PST whatever they choose to
> > call it is refunded for purchases made by visitors when one leaves Canada.
> > At major crossing points, there are 24 hour/7 day shops which give one an
> > instant refund. Alternately, one can pick up forms all over each province
> > and mail in the receipts and get a check back. In Nova Scotia, one gets
> > back the tax on hotel bills, clothing, souvenirs, toiletries, film, etc.
> In other words, we don't tax the citizens of other countries when they
> come to visit us. This is supposed to be a bad thing?
Not for the tourists. True for the citizenry.
> > > > We are not limited by government regulation as to what we can watch on TV.
> >
> > > Not if you can afford cable, anyway.
> >
> > That is a limitation of the frequencies available.
> We've got around 70 channels on cable here in Montreal. Many of them are
> US channels. I also have high speed access through cable. Bob, you
> really are letting your ignorance of Canada show here.
How many English channels does Montreal cable carry? Ours carry 150 or
more.
> Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. I can choose from
> several public schools in the area, both french and english. If I have
> the money, I can also choose to send my son to private school; there are
> quite a few of those here in Montreal.
Perhaps in Quebec you can. I know for a fact that citizens on Cape Breton
Island cannot choose which public school to attend. They can pay for
private school.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ?
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 16:39:38 GMT
On 7 Jun 2000 17:35:03 GMT, Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> You can't even grok Windows-isms in another enviroment, you
>> can't be too bright or experienced.
>
>Yeah right. Your arrogance is astounding.
That sort of criticism comes no where near "astounding arrogance".
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From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: u98ejr
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:44:25 +0100
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold weather is
because
of all the fish in the atmosphere?
-The Hackenthorpe Book Of Lies
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From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I hate nutscrape sometimes
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:47:14 +0100
If anyone could tell me how netscape just managed to do that, I'd love
to know.
-Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 18:49:42 +0100
In article <393e360d$2$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bob Germer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Apparently, the reply I posted yesterday went poof in the ether. Trying
> > again...
> If the below is an example, then that was the best possible place for it
> to go.
You're not the one to talk. Apparently, you know less than nothing about
Canada (according to that other guy responding to your post).
> > I might have given that statement some credit if it wasn't for the way
> > you use the word "liberal" - as if it was a bad thing.
> It most assuredly is in the way it is used in the US. Liberal here means
> an all-controlling, big brother goverment which attempts to control every
> action of every citizen except the elite ruling class.
If you're a right-winger, anyway. Of course, it's possible right-wingers
are the *only* people in the US who still use the word "liberal".
> > > > But if you had bought a different brand of a similar medicine...?
> > > You obviously don't know a damn thing about diabetes. One uses the brand
> > > of insulin his or her doctor prescribes or one can quickly end up dead.
> > Maybe you should go to a doctor that prescribes a cheaper brand of
> > medication.
> Unlike the controlled doctors in Canada, our physicians are free to
> prescribe the BEST available medicines.
But do they choose to do so? Is it so certain that they know of the best
available medicines? Doctors are only human, and hardly omniscient.
> Physicians can permit the
> pharmacist to substitute a lesser expensive generic equivalent or not.
>
> Moreover, your diatribe about socialized medicine
The only one making diatribes about "socialized medicine" is you.
> neglected the fact that
> the same brand, which is not the most expensive cost five times as much as
> in Canada as it does here. It fails to justify why Bufferin, a price
> cometitive analgesic, costs twice in constant dollars what it does here.
Let's see... because Canada and the US are different nations, perhaps?
Bufferin may be more expencive in Canada than in the US, but did you ever
stop to think that other brands might be cheaper in Canada and more
expencive in the US? Import taxes can do funny things with prices.
> > > > Socialized medicine means everybody gets free (or reasonably cheap)
> > > > medication. That means everybody can afford medication, and everybody
> > > There is not such thing as free food, free medication, free medical care.
> > > Someone has to pay for it.
> > Yup. Tax payers.
> Then it isn't free.
It's "free" in the sense that you don't have to worry about money when you
need it.
> Moreover, it is more costly because an expensive
> government agency of parasites must also be supported.
Another typical right-wing remark.
> > > In Canada it is the wage earners who are taxed
> > > beyond reason,
> > In your opinion, what is a "reasonable" amount of tax? Zero?
> A graduated income tax with a maximum rate less than 35%. Or a flat tax of
> 20% with the lowest 25% of income families exempt, the next 25% taxed at
> 10%. The upper half taxed at 20% with no shelters or deductions for other
> than real estate taxes on the primary home only.
I see. And what parts of the Canadian (or Norwegian, for that matter)
budget would you cut to accommodate this?
> > > the health care providers whose earnings are limited by
> > > government decree, the consumers who pay in terms of poor and/or delayed
> > > care.
> > And no care at all because you can't afford it is supposed to be better?
> You consistently ignore the fact that this is a very, very small portion
> of our society.
> The working poor, the indigent, etc. all qualify for one
> or another government program.
And how do you feel about that?
> > > > gets medication, which again leads to longer queues. Some people don't
> > > > want to wait for their turn (or are worried they might not live long
> > > > enough)
> > > A rather significant drawback in my opinion.
> > Not so big a drawback as not being able to afford medication at all.
> Again you post a myth not supported by the facts. Typical socialistic
> tripe.
No worse than your right-wing crap.
> > > We live in a free economy. We would just have more
> > > doctors,
> > Really? Where would those doctors be coming from then? One of four US
> > doctors are already imported.
> That is because we don't have enough medical school seats. The AMA has
> managed to limit the ability of a university to start a medical school.
In what way? Curious here.
> And for your information, the percentage you quote includes a large number
> of Americans who were forced by admissions limitations to get their
> medical education in foreign countries.
It also includes a large number of foreigners who have no prior connection
to the US.
> > What's so bad about keeping medical care cheap enough for everybody to
> > afford?
> One gets what one pays for.
What one can afford to pay for, you mean.
> > > In our township of 14,000 there were 102 felony arrests in 1999.
> > Hmm. My parents live in a small burb with about 5000 people. They (the
> > town, that is) had 4-5 burgleries last year, and that was just about it.
> You don't have as efficient a police force.
How would you know?
> > > > You seem to think quality of life is measured in dollars only. And you
> > > > call me a sad case?
> > > I think quality of life is measured in freedom.
> > And you measure freedom in money, which brings us back to measuring
> > quality of life in money.
> That is a blatant lie. Freedom is measured in far more complex concepts
> than monetary. Freedom is measured in how much or little government
> controls a citizen's life.
In which case (socialist) Norway seems to be about on par with the US.
> Freedom is measured in how well protected a
> citizen is if arrested.
In which case Norway is apparently *much* better than the US.
> Freedom is measured in terms of the ability of a
> citizen to decide how much health insurance he wishes to purchase.
Sez you. OTOH, with "socialized medicine", a citizen doesn't have to worry
about paying for medicare at all.
> Freedom
> is measured in what sort of health care a person desires to obtain.
Got that here as well.
> Freedom is the ability of a person to seek medical care from a specialist
> without having to have a referral from a hack assigned by the government.
Got that too.
> Freedom is tha ability of a physician to decide whom he will treat and
> whom he will not treat.
Meaning what exactly? Does this include the right to not treat blacks,
whites, women, old, young, whatever? I don't much like the sound of that
particular "freedom".
> > > We do not pay anything
> > > near to the taxes a Canadian pays.
> > So?
> We don't have a government trying to control every one of our daily
> actions. We don't have a big brother telling us what we can and can't have
> in terms of health care. We don't have a parasite government agency
> forcing the controlled doctors to use the cheapest alternative at the
> expense of the patient's wellbeing.
And that's what's known as a diatribe about "socialized medicine".
> > > We are not limited by government regulation as to what we can watch on TV.
> > Not if you can afford cable, anyway.
> That is a limitation of the frequencies available.
No, I'm talking about censorship. Nudity and so-called "bad language" are
not present on public/free TV (not the last time I was in the US, anyway).
> > You seem to have committed the typical US right-winger fallacy of
> > equating socialism with communism.
> You have just repeated the propaganda of the elitist liberals. Just
> because one believes in the right of a citizen to own his own property,
> make his own decisions, enjoy freedom of choice in all he or she does does
> not make one a 'right winger'.
The things you say you believe in above are the same things Norwegians
believe in (property, decisions, etc) - and we don't see any conflict with
that and living in a socialist country.
It's your constant yammering on the "liberal" theme and complaining about
paying taxes that puts you down as a right-winger. Your apparent ignorance
about Canada doesn't help either.
--
C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ?
Date: 7 Jun 2000 11:57:26 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Uhhm...ever heard of this thing called the "Internet"? The update tool
>>downloads the updates from there.
>
>You completely missed my point. You cannot update software that is
>not installed on your system.
I suspect that if Mandrake adds a new item to their 'updates'
the system would allow you to pick it and install it.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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