Linux-Advocacy Digest #954, Volume #30 Mon, 18 Dec 00 07:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Help plea from Newbie (Monitor) (SwifT -)
linux problem ("new_user")
Serial port ("mu6sys")
Re: Conclusion ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Conclusion ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Conclusion ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Conclusion ("Adam Warner")
Re: swithching to linux ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (LShaping)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (LShaping)
Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED.... ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Linux lacks ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why use malloc? ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Why use malloc? ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: MASTERTRADE LINUX ROLL-OUT 11-12-00 ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: linux problem ("max barwell")
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From: SwifT - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help plea from Newbie (Monitor)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:17:09 +0100
On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I finally decided to find out what all the Linux fuss was about. I
> spent the weekend hunched over an old Compaq P75 and an even older
> monitor. Boy, was it worth it! Linux has blown my mind. I was about to
> throw the PC out - it's been in the cupboard for a couple of years ever
> since I bought a Mac when I finally had it with Micro$oft. Now I
> realise I needn't have bought anything!
>
> I have one small problem. My monitor (Tatung 14SBS) is not listed in
> the Redhat 6.0 install program. I got it working using Custom and got
> all the specs from the Tatung website. But Linux won't run it at 800 x
> 600, only 640 x 480.Can I change this without reinstalling and if I
> change monitors how do I set the new monitor up? Also is it possible to
> get Linux and my Mac to share a monitor (Viewsonic 17"?)?
You ought to try
Xconfigurator
(or was it XConfigurator, don't know it for sure anymore).
This will lead you to a higher resolution :-)
--
SwifT
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From: "new_user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux problem
Crossposted-To: nz.comp,linux.debian.devel
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:39:14 +0000
I have debian loaded, and upgraded to woody (the devel/unstable branch)
Im trying to configure the X4 server
ii xfree86-common 4.0.1pre2.RC3- X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure
ii xserver-xfree8 4.0.1pre2.RC3- the XFree86 X server
ii xserver-common 3.3.6-20 files and utilities common to XFree86 3.x X
ii xserver-svga 3.3.6-20 X server for SVGA graphics cards
storm:/etc/X11# apt-get -f install xserver-svga
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Sorry, xserver-svga is already the newest version
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
(using woody servers too) I want svga version 4, no more 3.3.6 :)
i think its still running 3.3.6, as it doesnt understand "Subsection"
from a xf86config generated file..i guess i have a mix of 3.3.6 and
4.0.1, I want 4.0.1 (4.0.1pre2.RC3) what do I do to get X4 to boot? and
not 3.3.6.
please no flames regarding the use of woody
Im using debian woody/TNT2
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From: "mu6sys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Serial port
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:23:36 +0200
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:30:28 +0200
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:vQd%5.10921$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > Netcraft will read a proxy box as being Unix, and will report the uptime
> of
> > the Unix box as a Unix box. You seem to think that Netcraft will read
the
> > uptime of the Unix box and report the OS as NT or vice versa. The fact
of
> > the matter is that that just isn't true. They only report on the front
> end
> > box. So all of those numbers will be correct. It's just not the web
> server
> > box itself, but that doesn't matter in an OS based query.
>
> Not true. For instance, look at my web site:
>
>
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.funkenbusch.com&display=uptime
>
> I'm running this on a DSL line behind a netopia router doing NAT.
Netcraft
> correctly identifies the OS and the web server, but cannot determine
uptime
> values because NAT is screwing things up.
>
> A proxy box is not necessarily Unix, NT can proxy, so can non-unix based
> routers.
If I understand the way Netcraft works, it determains server & OS by HTTP
header, and uptime by tcp/ip data.
Therefor, there is nothing to prevent it from reading NT system and getting
unix uptime.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:41:53 +0200
"Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:42:55 +0200,
> Ayende Rahien, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
>
> >
> >"Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:RrX_5.95278$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> >
> >> : 2) If going through a proxy, great, Netcraft measures the proxy box,
> >not
> >> : the web servers. If you're scenario is correct, then Netcraft
reports
> >the
> >> : Unix, not the NT. So what? There are plenty of NT sites out there
that
> >> : don't use balancing, which can be reported on. Besides, this is true
> >for
> >> : Unix sites as well, so it should balance out.
> >>
> >> So what? It means that the numbers are not accurate at best. Besides,
if
> >> Netcraft reports Unix instead of NT wouldn't it mean that all of the
> >uptime
> >> for Unix is actually NT :)?
> >
> >Actually, this would cause a big problem to Netcraft.
> >Unix reports its uptime in 10s of ms, NT in 100s of ms.
> >If a unix report the uptime, and it's an NT server that Netcraft detect,
> >the uptime drop down like a rock.
> >
> >
>
>
> You are not paying attention, if Netcraft gets stopped by the firewall,
and
> that firewall is Unix (or NT for that matter) then that is what gets
reported
> in the uptime. Netcraft does not report the wrong OS, it reports the
firewall
> instead of the webserver. So if your firewall is Unix, but your webserver
is
> NT, then Unix gets reported, with the unix boxes uptime. Simple really.
you
> should read more carefully methinks.
If I understand the way Netcraft works, it reads the HTTP reply from the
site, a proxy or a file wall or whatever wouldn't interupt with that, but
they would interrupt with the packet, therefor, Netcraft would report an NT
system with Unix uptime, which would result in 1/10 the real uptime of the
Unix box and wouldn't report the NT uptime at all.
However, on Netcraft, they would list the Unix's uptime/10 as the NT's
uptime.
"Netcraft determines the operating system of the queried host by looking in
detail at the network characteristics of the HTTP reply received from the
web site. "
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:43:44 +0200
"Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:91k5ph$t52$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi Everyone,
>
> > > Anyone else encountered users doing this rm /tmp ?
>
> Now would be a good time to ask: what's wrong with deleting files in the
> /tmp directory?
The wrong thing is when you delete the directory itself.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:16:07 +1200
Hi Ayende,
> > > > Anyone else encountered users doing this rm /tmp ?
> >
> > Now would be a good time to ask: what's wrong with deleting files in the
> > /tmp directory?
>
> The wrong thing is when you delete the directory itself.
OK, thanks. That would obviously cause problems for all programs trying to
access/create temporary files.
Adam
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: swithching to linux
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 05:45:46 -0600
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'm running Debian 2.2 {Potato} on a 486 Toshiba with 5 meg of ram
> and a 500 MB hard drive. I'm currently installing it and went
> over to another console to telnet into my other machine and read
> the mail. I've got apt-get installing 214 packages right now
> and in the other console I have 2.4 test 11 compiling me a new
> kernel for this box. Console #3 is where I'm telneting.
>
> You could never do this using windows anything.
>
> Just go into your closet and grab that old 486 laptop you thought
> was so worthless and install Debian Potato on the thing.
>
> I'm getting very good performance on this system even though it
> has almost no resources to use. Linux makes things work!
Quite frankly, I don't believe you.
Of course that depends on what you mean by "good performance", but the act
of compiling the kernel alone will use up way more memory than you have free
causing swapping to beat all hell, and on a 486 laptop (laptop drives are
much slower than workstation drives due to low power consumption) this would
be painful to do anything in any other console due to the fact that swapping
will be a nightmare.
Hell, I have a P100 with 72 meg of memory that I used to compile the world
on FreeBSD and THAT was painful to use while it was doing that.
You won't help your cause by lying.
BTW, what 214 packages might those be? I'd suspect that 214 packages would
use up a lot more free disk space than you have, especially with the kernel
compiling and creating all those intermediate files. More exageration?
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From: LShaping <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:24:50 GMT
"John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Johan Kullstam wrote:
>> face it, lincoln was not conservative.
>Lincoln was indeed a conservative. You need merely understand that
>"conservative" does NOT mean: "resists all change" to understand that.
>"Conservative", comes from the concept of "conserving". Conserving
>human rights and individual liberty is at least part of what the Civil
>War was all about.
In fact, not in your opinion, conservatism is "the tendency to prefer
an existing or traditional situation to change". Definitions are
based upon usage, not your idea of what a word should or did mean, or
where it came from. Unless you want to live in a corner by yourself,
you have to accept how words are being used by real people today.
LShaping
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From: LShaping <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:26:46 GMT
"John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>No, a Liberal is some one who voted for Harry Browne. Conservatives
>voted for George, Socialists voted for Nader, and Authoritarians voted
>for Gore.
And, as usual, nobody voted libertarian.
(sorry, I couldn't resist)
LShaping
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED....
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 05:49:02 -0600
"Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Y6V_5.10862$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > >
> > > ...and Logitech DOES indeed make a wheel mouse. So you could buy from
> them
> > > directly if you don't want to give money to MS.
> >
> > MS's mice are *NOT* repackaged Logitech mice. For christs sake, all it
> > takes is a brain to notice that MS's mice had the wheel 6+ months before
> > Logitech decided to add one. MS also had the new optical mouse first,
> > Logitech licensed the technology about 6 months later again (as did
> Apple).
>
> And just WHERE in MY post did I state that MS got their mice from
> Logitech??? All I said was, Logitech HAS a wheel mouse. I don't really
give
> a flying fudgesicle who came out with it first, or where MS gets their
mice
> from. All I said was that a wheel mouse could be obtained from Logitech if
> the poster really disdained buying from Microsoft.
You said "So you could buy from them directly". One doesn't say "buy from
them directly" unless you are talking about some kind of middleman, which
from the context one would assume to mean Microsoft.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:31:08 +0100
Hey, I'll bite!
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> loaded by LILO & GRUB). You can't put a CD in to a linux system, copy the
> "driver" from the "/linux" directory into your modules directory, and say
> "insmod/modprobe <NEW DRIVER>." You have to build the driver from the
Sure you can.
> source provided IN YOUR KERNEL. And this alone adds half an hour to adding
No you don't. You have it backwards. Look: either the kernel uses
modules versioning and the module loads, whatever it was compiled
against; or the kernel does not use module versioning, and the
manufacturer provides a choice of 18 modules, one per possible
kernel version. Come to that, he can provide fewer and baptise them
with the right version mark as they leave the cd.
But what I meant by "backwards" was: you want to have the kernel for
which the module was built. Otherwise you don't have a fully supported
O/S and it's time to tell the manUfacturer that they forgot to support
U. Shrug. Happens all the time with windows. Manufacturers only
provide drivers for windows 98 or me, as far as my experience goes.
> something as insignifigant as a new keyboard.
Uh dude, even if I compile a driver, it takes on the order of 15s to
to type gcc -O2 -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE foo.c; cp foo.o
/lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/; depmod -a. I think I'll automate it!
Then sell the 3 line script to the losechip manufacturers.
> Linux does not use such technology. It has "Modules". Core components that
> can be loaded to, but not removed from, or changed dynamicly. The module
Sure they can! What are you on about?
> can be loaded, fine. UNLOAD it. Can you? Maybe. It may be a critical
> interface module, so forget it. Update it. Can you? No. Didn't get the
> "module" needed from the install of your Linux? Can you download THE
> MODULE? Maybe, can you use it instantly? NO.
Yes to all those. What are you drinking? I think you are trying to
say that in the rmmod foo; modprobe foo sequence, there is a moment
in which no driver is loaded. Well, of course. Happens in windows too.
And one has to hold off all interactions with the driver while changing it.
The easiest way to do that is by unregistering it from the kernel
interface (i.e. doing a blkdev_unregister, for example). That's simpler
than posting a "hold it", then switching the methods in the driver
class to point to the new driver, then posting a "OK, continue".
But I might add that, now that you've mentioned it.
I think you do have a good point if you are saying that removing a
driver doesn't force the downing of the devices that depend on it.
Instead, normally the driver is held in the kernel until the devices are
downed. That's the other way round from windows - if it is like that in
windows. I've never tried removing the ide driver in windows! Does it
let one? What happens next? Surely, in windows too, reoving the driver
really only means removing it from the config at next boot?
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:35:42 +0100
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Colin R. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>> Here's a fucking concept, just PLUG IT IN.
>> Doesn't work? Put in the CDROM that "it" is asking for, and get about your
>> business.
>> That's something that Linux can NEVER copy.
> Why should I have to install a CD just to install a device. Case in point:
> when I installed my HP Laserjet 6P in Linux, it was just a matter of
> making a few choices. With Windows, I had to use a separate CD, hunt
> down the drivers, and install them. Why does Windows make it so hard?
Interesting. I've just gone through that with the 6P. It's a perfectly
normal PS printer, and yet it doesn't work from windows! I don't get
it. They don't have to do anything to make it work. Just pass it
postscript! It works perfectly from any unix box you care to try without
any setup at all. Yet it can't be printed to from windows (98 and 2000).
I haven't yet managed to get the windows drivers on the cdrom to "take"
for me but then I know that about half the people who tried it did
manage it. It's probably my antipathy to windows clogging up the cdrom
reading parts of it. (oh yeah, windows drivers can't "find" my own IDE
cdrom either, though it works fine under linux).
Peter
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux lacks
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 05:52:09 -0600
"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> <snype>
>
>
> > I fully agree. The day before yesterday, I gave an introduction to KDE
on
> > a computerclub (95% Windows, 3% Macintosh, 1% Atari and 1% Linux). I got
> > the answer that my presentation wasn't going to convert them into
> > Linux-users. I asked them what they want. The main reason was that they
> > all want to develop apps, but using Visual Basic. Although I tried to
> > reason them that support for VB isn't going into Linux (since VB 100%
> > relies on Win-API's) they didn't bow. Even informing them that Kylix
> > ("Delphi for Linux") is coming into the scene, they wanted a
> > user-environment, visually programmable, that copes with databases (esp.
> > MDB's - MS Access) without writing 100 lines of code. Argumenting that
SQL
> > is stronger than MS Access-db's didn't help.
> >
> > There are always reasons to stay with Windows. Using Win-files is the
> > greatest one. When Linux would support Word-doc's, MSACCESS, VB-code,
> > Win-screensavers, ... they would step into Linux right away...
> >
>
> Access is the biggest joke next to Microsoft, I absolute refuse to use
> such as piece of shyte. I prefer (on a Wintel Machine) using either
> Lotus Approach 9.5 or Filemaker 5 (used on both Mac and Wintel).
He's talking about the Access data engine under VB, not Access the
application.
I'd hazard a guess that 80+% of the non-enterprise database front-end apps
use Access.
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why use malloc?
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:34:42 +0000
Andres Soolo wrote:
> Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Now wait a second. If calloc.c was compiled with the same compiler
>> you are using, and presumably it has such a multiplication inside it
>> somewhere, couldn't the same shift-optimization have been done there
>> too?
> Not really, because calloc has to assume generic multiplication.
> In cases where the compiler knows the multiplicand, it can shift two
> times to left instead of applying the generic multiplication instruction.
> Which produces faster code.
It doesn't really make that much difference with modern processors that
can perform integer multiplies in about one clock cycle anyway. :^)
Zeroing out the memory is what makes the difference between calloc() and
malloc(); use calloc() if you want it, malloc() if not, and regard the
difference in arguments as part of "the cruft of history"...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Thanks, but I only sleep with sentient lifeforms. Anything else is merely
a less sanitary form of masturbation.
-- Alistair J. R. Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why use malloc?
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:40:24 +0000
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> There's a very simple rule that one can use when deciding whether dynamic
> allocation is needed -- ask yourself this:
> "Do I know how much memory I will need, or will I not know until run time" ?
>
> If you know how much memory you will need before compiling the program,
> or you are willing to place a hard limit on the amount of memory you
> will use, then you clearly do not need dynamic allocation.
>
> Otherwise, you clearly do.
Sometimes you can get away with using alloca() instead, but that's got its
own peculiar set of limitations. Careful use of realloc(), pooling of
unused structures and block allocation can make a big difference too (well
over 50% on some applications.)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Thanks, but I only sleep with sentient lifeforms. Anything else is merely
a less sanitary form of masturbation.
-- Alistair J. R. Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MASTERTRADE LINUX ROLL-OUT 11-12-00
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 05:55:48 -0600
Ok, fine. I'll bite. I just went in and checked the newsgroup. Of the 126
messages posted in the last 3 months (that's "so many"?) not a single one of
them contained a message header which suggested any kind of security or
instability problem. The majority of them were installation problems, or
configuration problems (of course there was just a bunch of spam in there
too).
If you're going to say something like this, you should at least check it out
before you make this shit up.
"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Have you read the MSDN support group for UNIX services, there are so
> many people whinning about the instability, unrelibility and security
> problems, I wouldn't touch Windows 2000 Server or MS Unix Services with
> a 40ft pole.
>
> kiwiunixman
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:91h2er$b7c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >> I notice Microsoft has Services for UNIX:
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win2000/win2ksrv/technote/sfuintro.asp
> >
> >
> > Microsoft has had services for unix for years. This is nothing new.
>
>
> --
> "Like a midget at a urinal, you gotta keep on your toes"
> Naked Gun 33 1/3
>
> "Like a blind man at an orgy, you gotta feel your way out"
> Naked Gun 33 1/3
> ____
>
> Unix Programmer:
>
> "If it an't broken, don't fix it"
>
> Microsoft Programmer:
>
> "If it an't broken and working perfectly, then their must be a problem"
>
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From: "max barwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: nz.comp,linux.debian.devel
Subject: Re: linux problem
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:55:00 +1300
this is because in x4 you dont use xserver-svga you use xserver-xfree86
and you use the dexter configuration tool to set up the correct
xf86config file, now called xf86config-4. join #debian on irc.debian.org
or look for docs on the web for more info. if you would like to ask me
about it use [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cheers max
ps the linux ng's you have chosen are totally inappropriate to your
question, debian.devel is for software developers, and linux.advocacy is
for ideas on advocating linux to your workplace etc. you should use
linux.debian.user, and/or comp.os.linux.x. among others
In article <WLl%5.41$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "new_user"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have debian loaded, and upgraded to woody (the devel/unstable branch)
> Im trying to configure the X4 server
>
> ii xfree86-common 4.0.1pre2.RC3- X Window System (XFree86)
> infrastructure ii xserver-xfree8 4.0.1pre2.RC3- the XFree86 X server ii
> xserver-common 3.3.6-20 files and utilities common to XFree86 3.x
> X ii xserver-svga 3.3.6-20 X server for SVGA graphics cards
>
> storm:/etc/X11# apt-get -f install xserver-svga Reading Package Lists...
> Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Sorry, xserver-svga is already the
> newest version
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>
> (using woody servers too) I want svga version 4, no more 3.3.6 :)
>
> i think its still running 3.3.6, as it doesnt understand "Subsection"
> from a xf86config generated file..i guess i have a mix of 3.3.6 and
> 4.0.1, I want 4.0.1 (4.0.1pre2.RC3) what do I do to get X4 to boot? and
> not 3.3.6.
>
> please no flames regarding the use of woody Im using debian woody/TNT2
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