Linux-Advocacy Digest #42, Volume #27 Mon, 12 Jun 00 17:13:07 EDT
Contents:
An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Tiberious)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Cihl)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (TholenBotPro)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Mig Mig)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Mig Mig)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (tinman)
Re: Linux/Win logos -- can I use them? (Tim Kelley)
Re: Linux & Winmodem (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
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From: Tiberious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:26:48 GMT
Subject:
Installing a printer, scanner and Fax program on a Win98SE
system.
Specifics: Canon FB630P scanner. Parallel port version.
Canon BJC 4400 Printer.
Software including Winfax and what ever came with the
scanner and printer.
Install printer with CDROM supplied. Nice CanoCraft programs and
Greeting Card Designer included. Add's all kinds of menu options to the
standard print menu so that resolution, paper size, diagnostics and so
forth are easily accessible to the user.
Install scanner, including Adobe Photoshop (Home version, almost the
same as pro version) and Canocraft software plus a large selection of
other software.
Install Winfax. Surprise, surprise, it recognizes the printer and
scanner and adds a fax option to all menus.
Super easy.
Try out all options and there are wizards to guide the user through all
the operations of scanning/printing and faxing and most importantly ALL
FUNCTIONS WORK TOGETHER, meaning you don't have to scan a printed
document in order to fax it. You can just do it from the scanner menu.
Linux on the other hand?
1. Doesn't support the scanner.
2. Barely supports the printer.
3.Gimp vs Adobe? Need I say more?
4. You are on your own trying to figure out how to make things work.
Assuming of course you CAN make things work.
Integration between programs like in the Windows world? You'll be
lucky if the programs put an icon in the menus let alone work together.
This person walked into Staples, presented a problem and walked away
with a solution for $225.00 that was a breeze to install and worked from
the getgo.
Switch from Windows to Linux? Why?
Why should someone take a step back in time to a half supported system?
What advantage does the person above gain running Linux?
I have yet to se a valid reason to do so except for cost, and running a
desktop system kills that reason.
Sorry but Linux loses again.
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:40:15 GMT
Tiberious wrote:
>
> Subject:
> Installing a printer, scanner and Fax program on a Win98SE
> system.
>
> Specifics: Canon FB630P scanner. Parallel port version.
> Canon BJC 4400 Printer.
> Software including Winfax and what ever came with the
> scanner and printer.
>
> Install printer with CDROM supplied. Nice CanoCraft programs and
> Greeting Card Designer included. Add's all kinds of menu options to the
> standard print menu so that resolution, paper size, diagnostics and so
> forth are easily accessible to the user.
>
> Install scanner, including Adobe Photoshop (Home version, almost the
> same as pro version) and Canocraft software plus a large selection of
> other software.
>
> Install Winfax. Surprise, surprise, it recognizes the printer and
> scanner and adds a fax option to all menus.
>
> Super easy.
>
> Try out all options and there are wizards to guide the user through all
> the operations of scanning/printing and faxing and most importantly ALL
> FUNCTIONS WORK TOGETHER, meaning you don't have to scan a printed
> document in order to fax it. You can just do it from the scanner menu.
>
> Linux on the other hand?
>
> 1. Doesn't support the scanner.
> 2. Barely supports the printer.
> 3.Gimp vs Adobe? Need I say more?
> 4. You are on your own trying to figure out how to make things work.
> Assuming of course you CAN make things work.
> Integration between programs like in the Windows world? You'll be
> lucky if the programs put an icon in the menus let alone work together.
>
> This person walked into Staples, presented a problem and walked away
> with a solution for $225.00 that was a breeze to install and worked from
> the getgo.
>
> Switch from Windows to Linux? Why?
>
> Why should someone take a step back in time to a half supported system?
>
> What advantage does the person above gain running Linux?
>
> I have yet to se a valid reason to do so except for cost, and running a
> desktop system kills that reason.
>
> Sorry but Linux loses again.
So? Is it Linux' fault for not having all the hardware drivers? OEM's
deliver drivers for Windows, Microsoft hasn't much to do with that.
Are you paid by Microsoft for this, or what? Advocating
Windows/Microsoft doesn't seem very logical to me. They already have a
big commercial marketing department. Your whining doesn't do shit.
Have a nice day. Don't forget to blow Billy's cock, or he won't pay
you any more.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:48:57 GMT
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:40:15 GMT, Cihl
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tiberious wrote:
>>
>> Subject:
>> Installing a printer, scanner and Fax program on a Win98SE
>> system.
>>
>> Specifics: Canon FB630P scanner. Parallel port version.
>> Canon BJC 4400 Printer.
>> Software including Winfax and what ever came with the
>> scanner and printer.
>>
>> Install printer with CDROM supplied. Nice CanoCraft programs and
>> Greeting Card Designer included. Add's all kinds of menu options to the
>> standard print menu so that resolution, paper size, diagnostics and so
>> forth are easily accessible to the user.
>>
>> Install scanner, including Adobe Photoshop (Home version, almost the
>> same as pro version) and Canocraft software plus a large selection of
>> other software.
>>
>> Install Winfax. Surprise, surprise, it recognizes the printer and
>> scanner and adds a fax option to all menus.
>>
>> Super easy.
>>
>> Try out all options and there are wizards to guide the user through all
>> the operations of scanning/printing and faxing and most importantly ALL
>> FUNCTIONS WORK TOGETHER, meaning you don't have to scan a printed
>> document in order to fax it. You can just do it from the scanner menu.
>>
>> Linux on the other hand?
>>
>> 1. Doesn't support the scanner.
>> 2. Barely supports the printer.
>> 3.Gimp vs Adobe? Need I say more?
>> 4. You are on your own trying to figure out how to make things work.
>> Assuming of course you CAN make things work.
>> Integration between programs like in the Windows world? You'll be
>> lucky if the programs put an icon in the menus let alone work together.
>>
>> This person walked into Staples, presented a problem and walked away
>> with a solution for $225.00 that was a breeze to install and worked from
>> the getgo.
>>
>> Switch from Windows to Linux? Why?
>>
>> Why should someone take a step back in time to a half supported system?
>>
>> What advantage does the person above gain running Linux?
>>
>> I have yet to se a valid reason to do so except for cost, and running a
>> desktop system kills that reason.
>>
>> Sorry but Linux loses again.
>
>So? Is it Linux' fault for not having all the hardware drivers? OEM's
>deliver drivers for Windows, Microsoft hasn't much to do with that.
Tell that to an end user. It's all about results.
Getting from A to B in the easiest, most cost
efficient manner possible.
Is it Fords problem for not having built in baby
car seats while Chrysler does? Guess what van the
typical soccer mom drives? Guess why, in part...
>Are you paid by Microsoft for this, or what? Advocating
>Windows/Microsoft doesn't seem very logical to me. They already have a
>big commercial marketing department. Your whining doesn't do shit.
So in reality you have failed to address any point
made, which makes YOU a LinoSHILL...
>Have a nice day. Don't forget to blow Billy's cock, or he won't pay
>you any more.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:51:30 GMT
Totally lame....
Is that the best the Linux lusers can put up...
No wonder Linux is as pathetic as it is.
simon
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:40:15 GMT, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tiberious wrote:
>>
>> Subject:
>> Installing a printer, scanner and Fax program on a Win98SE
>> system.
>>
>> Specifics: Canon FB630P scanner. Parallel port version.
>> Canon BJC 4400 Printer.
>> Software including Winfax and what ever came with the
>> scanner and printer.
>>
>> Install printer with CDROM supplied. Nice CanoCraft programs and
>> Greeting Card Designer included. Add's all kinds of menu options to the
>> standard print menu so that resolution, paper size, diagnostics and so
>> forth are easily accessible to the user.
>>
>> Install scanner, including Adobe Photoshop (Home version, almost the
>> same as pro version) and Canocraft software plus a large selection of
>> other software.
>>
>> Install Winfax. Surprise, surprise, it recognizes the printer and
>> scanner and adds a fax option to all menus.
>>
>> Super easy.
>>
>> Try out all options and there are wizards to guide the user through all
>> the operations of scanning/printing and faxing and most importantly ALL
>> FUNCTIONS WORK TOGETHER, meaning you don't have to scan a printed
>> document in order to fax it. You can just do it from the scanner menu.
>>
>> Linux on the other hand?
>>
>> 1. Doesn't support the scanner.
>> 2. Barely supports the printer.
>> 3.Gimp vs Adobe? Need I say more?
>> 4. You are on your own trying to figure out how to make things work.
>> Assuming of course you CAN make things work.
>> Integration between programs like in the Windows world? You'll be
>> lucky if the programs put an icon in the menus let alone work together.
>>
>> This person walked into Staples, presented a problem and walked away
>> with a solution for $225.00 that was a breeze to install and worked from
>> the getgo.
>>
>> Switch from Windows to Linux? Why?
>>
>> Why should someone take a step back in time to a half supported system?
>>
>> What advantage does the person above gain running Linux?
>>
>> I have yet to se a valid reason to do so except for cost, and running a
>> desktop system kills that reason.
>>
>> Sorry but Linux loses again.
>
>So? Is it Linux' fault for not having all the hardware drivers? OEM's
>deliver drivers for Windows, Microsoft hasn't much to do with that.
>
>Are you paid by Microsoft for this, or what? Advocating
>Windows/Microsoft doesn't seem very logical to me. They already have a
>big commercial marketing department. Your whining doesn't do shit.
>
>Have a nice day. Don't forget to blow Billy's cock, or he won't pay
>you any more.
------------------------------
From: TholenBotPro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:54:54 -0700
In article <web15.33775$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Chris Pott writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm not falling into another tholenesque spiral this week,
>
> >>>>>>>> What alleged "tholenesque spiral"?
>
> >>>>>>> The tholenesque spiral in which we find ourselves at this very
> >>>>>>> moment.
>
> >>>>>> Incorrect; that would be a "tinmanesque" spiral, given that you
> >>>>>> started it.
>
> >>>>> Irrelevant, given that the characteristics of said spiral are not
> >>>>> dependent on whom initiated it.
>
> >>>> Illogical, given that the said spiral was given a name.
>
> >>> Incorrect,
>
> >> Balderdash.
>
> > I see that lacking a logical response,
>
> Did you bother to read my response, Chris?
Yes.
> > you're resorting to Tholenesque context butchering again.
>
> What alleged "context butchering", Chris?
See above.
> > How typical.
>
> Typical
What's "typical" about it, Dave?
> pontification on your part.
What alleged "pontification", Dave?
--
"You're erroneously presuming that I'm being pedantic."
-- Dave Tholen
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From: Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:57:13 +0200
Tiberious wrote:
[CUT the entire crap]
The fun part of you guys posts is that lately you're atacking Linux on its
lack of support for "home devices". This must mean that the server side of
things is allready won by Linux - i can only agree on that.
Regarding end-user PC's its very simple... simply just aquire devices that
are supported by Linux.. I do not have any problems for my usage.. and i
guess 90% og users wont either.
Prepare to write much more of this in the comming months. In lots of
European countries it seems that the respective parlaments will force the
usage of open sourced software and operatings systems .. In France there is
currently a proposol and a majority to shift to open source. In Germany a
similar proposal was made and the same is happening in the danish
parlament. I dont know of other countries... but this is a start.
To make things even worse for Micros~1 major electronic retailers here will
offer PC's wiht Linux and StarOffice and one with Corel Linux and Corel
Office for the first time.. simply because students are demanding it.
The future looks bright... but not yours if youre into Micros~1 advocacy..
wich is a joke by it self. Think one of the most profitable companys in the
world has some morons trying to market their software for them because they
feel sorry for them... What a joke
Greetings to all lemmings
------------------------------
From: Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:57:16 +0200
Tiberious wrote:
[CUT the entire crap]
The fun part of you guys posts is that lately you're atacking Linux on its
lack of support for "home devices". This must mean that the server side of
things is allready won by Linux - i can only agree on that.
Regarding end-user PC's its very simple... simply just aquire devices that
are supported by Linux.. I do not have any problems for my usage.. and i
guess 90% og users wont either.
Prepare to write much more of this in the comming months. In lots of
European countries it seems that the respective parlaments will force the
usage of open sourced software and operatings systems .. In France there is
currently a proposol and a majority to shift to open source. In Germany a
similar proposal was made and the same is happening in the danish
parlament. I dont know of other countries... but this is a start.
To make things even worse for Micros~1 major electronic retailers here will
offer PC's wiht Linux and StarOffice and one with Corel Linux and Corel
Office for the first time.. simply because students are demanding it.
The future looks bright... but not yours if youre into Micros~1 advocacy..
wich is a joke by it self. Think one of the most profitable companys in the
world has some morons trying to market their software for them because they
feel sorry for them... What a joke
Greetings to all lemmings
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tinman)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:56:35 -0400
In article <on%05.33437$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Tinman writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>> [oh well, it's hot out there anyway]
>
> >>>>>>>> Irrelevant.
>
> >>>>>>> Not to my garden.
>
> >>>>>> This newsgroup is not your garden.
>
> >>>>> Irrelevant, the reference is to my garden, not this newsgroup.
>
> >>>> Illogical, given that the posting is in this newsgroup, not your
> >>>> garden.
>
> >>> Usenet posts need not be solely self-referential.
>
> >> But we're talking about the irrelevance of your statement, not
> >> about USENET posts in general.
>
> > Illogical.
>
> Incorrect.
Nope.
>
> > My reference was to my gardening, not to usenet.
>
> Your posting was on USENET, not in your garden.
Yes, the posting was on usenet, but the reference was to my garden.
> >>>>>>>>>> Tinman writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Typical inaccuracy,
>
> >>>>>>>> Incorrect.
>
> >>>>>>> On the contrary.
>
> >>>>>> Is that the best you can do, merely stating contrariness?
>
> >>>>> Can you do better?
>
> >>>> I see that you didn't answer the question. No surprise there.
>
> >>> I see that you didn't answer the question. No surprise there.
>
> >> Classic evasion.
>
> > I learned from a master of evasion.
>
> Who might that be?
Who do you think?
>
> >>>>>>>>> It's tinman.
>
> >>>>>>>> Which is how I spelled it to begin with.
>
> >>>>>>> Incorrect, you spelled it Tinman,
>
> >>>>>> Same spelling.
>
> >>>> Note: no response.
>
> >>> None required,
>
> >> On what basis do you make that claim?
>
> > Don't you know?
>
> Why do you think I asked?
Irrevelant.
>
> >>> you spell it incorrectly with a capital "t",
>
> >> On what basis do you make that claim?
>
> > See your attribution above, you use a capital "t," which is incorrect.
>
> On what basis do you call it incorrect?
Why do you think I call it incorrect?
> >>> I spell it correctly with a lower case "t."
>
> >> On what basis do you make that claim?
>
> > See my sig, I use a lower case "t," which is correct.
>
> On what basis do you call it correct?
Don't you know?
> >>>>>>> and you did it again above.
>
> >>>>>> I'm being consistent in my spelling, which is consistent with your
> >>>>>> spelling.
>
> >>>>> Nope.
>
> >>>> Incorrect. Compare the spellings.
>
> >>> I have, thus I recognize your errors.
>
> >> Incorrect, given that both spellings are the same.
>
> > Illogical,
>
> Incorrect.
Nope.
> > they are distinguishable,
>
> Not the spellings, given that they are the same.
Incorrect.
> > and thus not identical.
>
> On the contrary, the spellings are the same.
Incorrect.
> >>>>> But if you prefer, you made a capitalization error--
>
> >>>> On what basis do you call it an error?
>
> >>> On the basis of the knowledge of how it should be done.
>
> >> But I spelled it the same way.
>
> > Incorrect
>
> Balderdash.
Non sequiter.
> > and irrelevant,
>
> On the contrary, the spelling is quite relevant.
Incorrect.
> > since even if I agreed that the error was not a spelling error,
> > it is still an error (of capitalization).
>
> On what basis do you call it an error?
Don't you know?
> > Regardless of which tack we take, you have (persisted) in making an
> > error.
>
> Incorrect.
On the contrary.
> >>>>> regardless, it's still incorrect.
>
> >>>> On your part.
>
> >>> Incorrect.
>
> >> An example of pontification.
>
> > Also incorrect.
>
> Another example of pontification.
An example of pontification.
> >>>>> And you keep repeating this error.
>
> >>>> You're erroneously presupposing that it is an error.
>
> >>> Nope.
>
> >> Prove it.
>
> > I already have.
>
> Where, allegedly?
Above, hence "already"
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not falling into another tholenesque spiral this week,
>
> >>>>>>>>>> What alleged "tholenesque spiral"?
>
> >>>>>>>>> The tholenesque spiral in which we find ourselves at this very
moment.
>
> >>>>>>>> Incorrect; that would be a "tinmanesque" spiral, given that you
> >>>>>>>> started it.
>
> >>>>>>> Incorrect on two counts--
>
> >>>>>> Balderdash, for reasons given below.
>
> >>>> Note: no response.
>
> >>> None required, as there is no content in your sentence.
>
> >> Incorrect, given the content of my sentence.
>
> > What alleged "content"?
>
> DT] Balderdash, for reasons given below.
That is not an answer.
> >>>>>>> I didn't start this thread,
>
> >>>>>> Irrelevant, given that I didn't say that you starting this thread.
>
> >>>>> Typically incomprehensible, "given that I didn't say that you starting
> >>>>> this thread" makes no sense.
>
> >>>> How ironic, coming from the person who doesn't realize what I didn't
> >>>> say.
>
> >>> Typically incomprehensible, is English your first language?
>
> >> Irrelevant. You're just trying to evade the issue.
>
> > Not at all,
>
> Then why haven't you addressed the fact that I didn't say that you
> started this thread?
Because there is no reason to address something that hasn't been said.
> > I am pointing out your lack of control of the English language
>
> You are failing to point out my control of the English language.
Incorrect:
t] Typically incomprehensible, "given that I didn't say that you starting
this thread" makes no sense.
> > and seeking information as to others of which you might have better
> > control.
>
> Irrelevant. You're just trying to evade the issue.
On the contrary.
> >>> What are your others, perhaps we could try them?
>
> >> Unnecessary.
>
> > Incorrect. You've demonstrated a lack of control of the English language.
>
> On the contrary, I've demonstrated control of the English language.
What alleged "control"?
> >>>>>>> and it is clearly in a tholenesque mode of discourse.
>
> >>>>>> An example of pontification.
>
> >>>>> Correct, but uninteresting, since all tholenesque modes of discourse are
> >>>>> examples of pontification.
>
> >>>> Classic circular reasoning.
>
> >>> Another feature of all tholenesque modes of discourse.
>
> >> Illogical, given that you are the one engaging in it, thus it would be
> >> a "tinmanesque" mode of discourse.
>
> > Incorrect, this is not my normal mode of discourse.
>
> On what basis do you make that claim?
Experience of my normal mode of discourse.
> > I have adapted to your native mode
>
> Incorrect; do you even know what my "native mode" is?
Yes, this thread provides a ready example.
> > for the purposes of my entertainment.
>
> Which qualifies you for digestification.
Incorrect. Pepper and salt would qualify me for digestification.
--
______
tinman
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux/Win logos -- can I use them?
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:53:59 -0500
Barry Kauler wrote:
>
> Is there anyone reading this who has some knowledge of the
> legal situation with logos?
>
> I'm writing a book "Linux and me", online at
> http://www.crosswinds.net/~goosee/
> and I want to insert various logos.
>
> Firstly, the MS Windows logo -- you know the one that looks
> like a waving flag.
> Ok, you might think that's a trademark of MS, *but* it is also
> a character in the WingDings font, so if I legally own Windows
Stop right there. No one but M$ owns windows.
------------------------------
From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux & Winmodem
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:02:42 -0500
Secretly Cruel wrote:
>
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 01:15:58 -0400, John & Susie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >This is how people get pissed off about Linux. The modem thing is easy
> >to solve, but what about the 'win-printer', 'win-scanner', 'win-camera',
> >et al?
>
> People need to be pissed at the cheap bastards that manufacture the
> Windows-only stuff, not pissed at Linux.
While I agree with this statement completely, what people "should" do
and what people actually do are usually two completely different
things. People will look at the situation this way.
My hardware works under Windows, it doesn't work under Linux. Therefore
there has to be something wrong with Linux.
I can't tell you the number of times I have had to explain to a couple
of my computer illiterate friends that you can't expect to load the
Windows drivers for new hardware under Linux. They have dual boot
machines, they go buy a new piece of hardware without even thinking
about compatibility, and it works under Windows. Then they try loading
the driver off of the CD in Linux and get pissed. They call me and I
tell them the same thing I've told them a million times: Find out if it
is supported under Linux before you buy it. Then they try to convince
me that I need to use the CD that came with that particular piece of
hardware to get it to work under Linux. I just can't make them
understand that Windows drivers are not Linux drivers. These are the
type of people that are equating no driver support to Linux being
broken. Too bad, but stupidity is the basis of all life now. I don't
see that changing any time soon either.
Nathaniel Jay Lee
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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