Linux-Advocacy Digest #212, Volume #27 Tue, 20 Jun 00 19:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes ("Sam Morris")
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows (Robie Basak)
Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead (Marty)
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows ("Casey")
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (JEDIDIAH)
Gret Linux Site (Cory Rauch)
DirectX equivalent ("Francis Van Aeken")
Re: I had a reality check today :( (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (J Bland)
Re: W2K BSOD's documented *not* to be hardware (Was: lack of goals. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE (Aaron Kulkis)
slashdot is down -again- ("Francis Van Aeken")
Re: What UNIX is good for. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Processing data is bad! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows (sauce)
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (tinman)
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Sam Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:13:16 +0100
> But so far no one has explained how to distinguish them in a way
> that makes sense to a non-Mac user. Suppose you insert two
> image-copied removable disks in two different drives and
> want to create a new file on one of them. How do you specify
> the one you want?
You have a point. When saving the file you navigate to the appropriate disk,
but if the disks are named identically then you can't know which is which.
However, I'll take the MacOS' file system and its one drawback over the
horrible horrible kludge that is Windows any day. :)
--
Sam Morris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
...7/6/00: 3rd installation of Windows since March took 6h30m, and that's
without a working modem...
...you can have my Mac when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 20 Jun 2000 22:16:18 GMT
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:01:27 GMT, Doc Shipley said:
>Oliver Baker wrote:
>> Would anyone care to compare--either quantitatively or
>> qualitatively--the number of mind hours that have gone into developing
>> Linux as an OS verus what has gone into developing Windows as an OS?
>>
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>Totally unworkable comparison. MS products' development is directed at
>and dictated by commercial goals. Linux development, while building on a
>base of commercial design (Websearch: UNIX), has been directed almost
>exclusively toward functionality. Before anybody jumps, I *do* include
>games, UI, and user comfort as components of functionality. You're
>comparing an AutoCAD blueprint to a commercial webpage.
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>> I'm writing a magazine article for a trade magazine and don't know much
>> about this stuff. I've heard people call Linux more reliable than
>> Windows. If true, it seems to me that this could be because
>> a) Linux is better designed
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>See above.
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>> b)it attempts to do less,
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>Linux not only attempts to do more, it DOES more. Anecdote:
> When I started my current job running an NT/Win98 subnet, I was
>woefully ignorant with NT Server. I wanted to set up the telnet daemon
>on my server, but could not find the configuration dialog. Nor was
>telnet service mentioned in any Help file. Finally, in my NT Server
>Resource Kit, I find that "NT Server does not ship with a telnet
>service. For those who wish to provide this function, there are many
>freeware and shareware telnet servers available on the Internet."
> Excuse me. NT Server was shipping at ~$800 for a 5-seat license. And MS
>tells me to download shareware to provide a BASIC service.
I had exactly the same problem when I needed a tftp server; and I
found a "knowledge" base article which basically told me to buy a
commercial implementation or upgrade to 2000. Upgrade to Windows 2000
for a tftp server?
Also, would someone please tell me where the equivalents of cron and
at are in NT? Or do I have to upgrade to 2000 as well?
>> c) more people have invested time in making it work and/or
>> c)smarter people (and, hey, let's say better looking while we're at
>> it) have invested time in making it work
>
>Linux = Time Invested In "Making It Work" Microsoft = Time Invested
>In Selling Product
And they'll happily ship the product before it's ready, even if there
are known bugs. OTOH, Linux kernels and software declared 'unstable'
is often more stable than software Microsoft imply is complete, by
selling it.
>[...]
Robie.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:23:34 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Taking more context restoration lessons from Curtis Bass?
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> > Taking more context restoration lessons from Curtis Bass?
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> What's the deal, Marty? Are you agreeing with Tholen that I equate
> snippage with "context restoration?"
>
> Just curious.
I come here to bury Tholen, not to praise him. The above is typical of
something Tholen might say. I neither condone nor support it.
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From: "Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:22:17 -0500
Hey oliver. One of the things you can look at between the 2 systems Windows
NT/2000 and linux.
NT/2000 PRO's
-Easy to use and install.
-Used far and wide.
-Good software and hardware base.
-Eye Candy value(my friend stated that his boss made
them move to win nt a few years back because of the way it
looked not worked.)
NT/2000 CON's
-Not well liked by hackers. (They see this as the man to be
overthrown this is why you have more problems with hackers
virus's and such
-Not as stable as others (linux,beos,free bsd, novel)
-In a year or two you will be facing another expensive upgrade
or be behind in the os war.
Linux PRO's
-Very cheap free to about 1/3 to 1/2 of what nt or novel charge
-Runs well on low end system (486 web server)
-Once set up properly will run well (reports of systems running
uninterupted for 300 + days.
-At one point there was a rumor that micro$oft ran its hotmail
servers on linux boxes cause NT couldn't handle the load.
-Gaining momentum constant updates with little or no cost.
Linux CON's
-Not alot shown improvements on high end systems (from
comparisons between linux and NT)
-Takes alot of work to get a system setup properly
-Lack of Talented people to admin Linux
-Cost of Talented people to admin Linux
-Not a real strong hardware and software powerbase for linux.
Casey
Good luck with the article.
"Oliver Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
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> > subject matter. If I were you I would read a thick book on linux install
> > it, play around with it for 3 months then you might be able to write a
> > well informed article about it. But until you know your subject matter
> > the article will basically suck.
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> Maybe I should have said what this article is about. Anyway it's not
> going to be very technical. It's more to do with an instance of
> corporate culture being "infiltrated" by Linux culture. I just happen to
> be curious and technically minded and don't mind asking stupid
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Date: 20 Jun 2000 15:27:51 PST
In comp.os.linux.misc Robie Basak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, would someone please tell me where the equivalents of cron and
> at are in NT? Or do I have to upgrade to 2000 as well?
There is something called 'winat' that comes with NT 4.0.
---
Neil
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:27:26 GMT
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:13:16 +0100, Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> But so far no one has explained how to distinguish them in a way
>> that makes sense to a non-Mac user. Suppose you insert two
>> image-copied removable disks in two different drives and
>> want to create a new file on one of them. How do you specify
>> the one you want?
>
>You have a point. When saving the file you navigate to the appropriate disk,
>but if the disks are named identically then you can't know which is which.
>However, I'll take the MacOS' file system and its one drawback over the
>horrible horrible kludge that is Windows any day. :)
As long as the end user shell is keeping track of things by
a "name" then it really doesn't matter too much to the end
user what is being called a "kludge" underneath.
--
If you know what you want done, it is quite often more useful to
tell the machine what you want it to do rather than merely having
the machine tell you what you are allowed to do.
|||
/ | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: Cory Rauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Gret Linux Site
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:33:14 -0400
Here is a great Linux website that covers beginners topics (Like
installation, configuration, and maintenance) to advance topics (Like
programming device drivers, kernel, and applications). Please check it
out:
http://www.osfaq.com
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From: "Francis Van Aeken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DirectX equivalent
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:39:09 -0300
Just wondering, is there a DirectX equivalent in Linux?
If so, what component model does it use? CORBA?
Francis.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:36:18 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Edited to correct false innuendo and implication of terms.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Daughter graduating middle school this week and going into high school
> and I thought a nice desktop computer system would make a worthwhile
> graduation present.
>
> I have ALWAYS built every single one of my systems in the past all the
> way from DTK motherboard based PC clones up to the Abit based system I
> have now. Never, ever,ever, bought a pre-load.
>
> This time, possibly due to laziness or just a wearing down by all of
> the glossy advertisements in the Sunday NY Times, I decided to go out
> and look at all of these "ready made" systems that the typical Joe 18
> pack will buy.
>
> BTW my daughter wants an iMac. Anybody know anything about them?
>
> Anyway, I went to CompUSA, Staples, Electronic City and several local
> places, the kind of places I would avoid like the plague on my quest
> and here is what I found.
>
> 1. LOSE Hardware is EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!
> Motherboards have built in modems, Ethernet, SoundChips, video
> and so forth. Much of this is LOSE hardware.
>
> 2. The included printer is usually some POS LOSE printer. Same for
> scanner and USB devices are sometimes included as well.
>
> 3. The operating system is always LOSE 98SE and no credit is given for
> not getting it.
>
> 4. Internet bundles (you are hostage to Compu$erve for 3 years) are
> typically used to lower price.
>
> 5. You get a bunch of low priced software and nothing of real
> substance. The exception was MS Works which is pretty decent.
>
> The iMac is starting to look better all the time :)
>
> Anyway, my point is that this is the typical way that a user buys a
> computer. They are not like you and me who build our own, they walk
> into a chain store and buy what seems, to them, to be the best value.
>
> My question is, how is Linux going to realistically overcome this?
Destruction of "per CPU" licensing schemes is the first step.
>
> Looking at the specs for Compaq, HP, Sony VIAO and others, absolutely
> NONE of these would run Linux and support all the I/O devices the
> person paid for.
>
> This IS the computer hardware market, like it or not. And I for one
> DON't like it.
>
> Comments?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Date: 20 Jun 2000 22:26:45 GMT
>>: Well, in that case the "practically impossible" is being done at
>>: millions upon millions of installations worldwide every day. And that
>>
>>They're not doing it. They're all failing. Their installations are
>>degrading with each change.
>
>Yes, yes, and your penises are each fourteen inches long and growing
>steadily. Please get this off of ne.internet.services.
Amazing, I never knew usenet could do that!
Frinky (inspecting his trousers eagerly...)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K BSOD's documented *not* to be hardware (Was: lack of goals.
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:37:12 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> Another insightful, witty, and intelligent posting
> by a *nix advocate.
>
> LoseDows... how creative. Did you think that up all by
> yourself?
Why, do you object to the ... correction of meaning...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:37:51 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Kulkis) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >> UNIX/OpenVMS was for the _big_ machines. Now we have PC's that would
> >> wipe the floor of those big machines, and UNIX has come in the form of
> >> Linux, bringing with it some of those old fashioned ideas that ought
> >> to have been retired or replaced.
> >
> >Unix is the first "object oriented" operating system.
> >
> >Replace the word "file" with "object" in any reading of Unix-related
> >material, and see what I mean.
>
> Bit of a loose association there. Objects have more properties and methods
> than a filing system, even more than those files in /dev for example.
>
> >> Basically, I was never a fan of UNIX, and I'm not much of a fan on
> >> Linux. I worked on MOTIF before Windows walked all over it and history
> >> left it high and dry.
> >
> >Obviously, you never really learned UNIX then.
>
> No of course not. I only worked on it for about 3 years. Obviously I never
> learnt UNIX.
>
> NOT!
Explain the Unix task scheduler.
>
> Pete
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: "Francis Van Aeken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: slashdot is down -again-
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:46:53 -0300
Of all the sites I frequent, Slashdot is the only one that is regularly down.
Why is that?
Francis.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: What UNIX is good for.
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:40:34 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steven Smolinski wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> >> Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> > >I would suspect not. As for getting rid of vi, isn't that why we have emacs
>:-)?
> >> >
> >> > (must...control...fist...of...death...)
> >> >
> >> > s/emacs/vim/. Emacs is what we'd get if Micro$oft wrote GNU software.
> >>
> >> Vim is what we got when vi finally caught up with Emacs.
> >
> >At 1/10th the diskspace footprint.
>
> [...and another skirmish in the editor wars begins...]
>
> Let's compare apples and apples:
>
> % ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/gvim
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1748896 Nov 8 1999 /usr/X11R6/bin/gvim
> % ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/xemacs
> -rwxr-xr-t 1 root root 4128816 Nov 8 1999 /usr/X11R6/bin/xemacs
> %
>
> That's 42% the footprint compared binary-to-binary (without the extensions).
>
> Hey, I use and like them both. Can't we all just get along?
>
> Steve
Steve, you're truly humor-impaired.
by the way, why not do a comparision of jsut plain old
vi or vim, and emacs.
The last thing I want to do when editing is remove my fingers from the
keyboard.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:40:11 GMT
And what gui based browser under Linux would that be?
KDE IMHO is the best of the environments, all things considered
although Gnome looks much better. Problem is Gnome was so unstable on
my system it didn't matter.
On 20 Jun 2000 16:46:04 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Typical LinoNut semantic argument designed to take the focus off the
>>original point that KDE sucks compared to Windows as far as the
>>consistancy and speed of the gui is concerned.
>>
>>The point is like I said above. Who cares what the cause is?
>
>You aren't paying attention. They aren't telling you the
>cause, they are telling you the cure. If you don't like
>KDE, you should be happy to hear that unlike that other
>operating system that claims it's file-and-internet browser
>is inseparable from the system, you are entirely free to
>use something you like better.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Processing data is bad!
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:43:05 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> There is a reason why the rest of the world has moved mostly to GUI.
Unix has had a GUI since, oh... 1983 or so... that makes 17 years.
By comparison..windows is.. what... 10 years old?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
From: sauce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:37:56 -0400
"Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey oliver. One of the things you can look at between the 2 systems Wi=
ndows
> NT/2000 and linux.
> NT/2000 PRO's
> -Easy to use and install.
> -Used far and wide.
> -Good software and hardware base.
> -Eye Candy value(my friend stated that his boss made
> them move to win nt a few years back because of the way it
> looked not worked.)
> NT/2000 CON's
> -Not well liked by hackers. (They see this as the man to be
> overthrown this is why you have more problems with hackers
> virus's and such
> -Not as stable as others (linux,beos,free bsd, novel)
> -In a year or two you will be facing another expensive upgrade
> or be behind in the os war.
>=20
> Linux PRO's
> -Very cheap free to about 1/3 to 1/2 of what nt or novel charge
> -Runs well on low end system (486 web server)
> -Once set up properly will run well (reports of systems running
> uninterupted for 300 + days.
> -At one point there was a rumor that micro$oft ran its hotmail
> servers on linux boxes cause NT couldn't handle the load.
> -Gaining momentum constant updates with little or no cost.
>=20
> Linux CON's
> -Not alot shown improvements on high end systems (from
> comparisons between linux and NT)
> -Takes alot of work to get a system setup properly
> -Lack of Talented people to admin Linux
> -Cost of Talented people to admin Linux
> -Not a real strong hardware and software powerbase for linux.
>=20
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> Casey
>=20
> Good luck with the article.
> "Oliver Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
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> > going to be very technical. It's more to do with an instance of
> > corporate culture being "infiltrated" by Linux culture. I just happen=
to
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with regard to hotmail; I believe at one point they were using solaris, o=
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possibly BSD. I dont recall linux, but I will share an acedote of my own.=
I use
linux, I work with NT (4.0/95/98/2000), and because of work experience, I=
use
linux and work the latter. I have an NT partition for games, (Some claim =
98 is
better, I say bullshit, half life works better for me on nt 4 with 64mb t=
han on
another pc with 96MB and 98), but other than that it is unreliable, I wil=
l use
my simple zip drive as an example, loads with linux every time, no muss, =
no
fuss, with NT , every 6th or 7th boot, splat and BSOD..... and other quir=
ks
show up with regularity, sorry but reliability backs up linux any day....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:43:10 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (tinman) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe
> Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <8ijkeh$6pp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christopher Smith"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I think Zips are treated like a big floppy disk, but things like
Jaz
> > > drives
> > > are treated like removable hard disks.
> >
> > So much for consistency in Windows.
>
> Well, considering that the Jaz is a removable media HD, and the Zip a
high
> density floppy.....
>
And that means...? Data storage media is data storage media. I don't
care if it's a 40GB SCSI disk, a DVD, a Jaz disk or a 1.2MB 5 1/4"
floppy. It's all the same to Linux and Mac. Now, why exactly does it
have to be difficult, er, different on Windows?
FlyingDog
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tinman)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:56:20 -0400
In article <8ios1s$e6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tinman) wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe
> > Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <8ijkeh$6pp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christopher Smith"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I think Zips are treated like a big floppy disk, but things like
> Jaz
> > > > drives
> > > > are treated like removable hard disks.
> > >
> > > So much for consistency in Windows.
> >
> > Well, considering that the Jaz is a removable media HD, and the Zip a
> high
> > density floppy.....
> >
>
> And that means...? Data storage media is data storage media. I don't
> care if it's a 40GB SCSI disk, a DVD, a Jaz disk or a 1.2MB 5 1/4"
> floppy. It's all the same to Linux and Mac. Now, why exactly does it
> have to be difficult, er, different on Windows?
>
Ask the windows folks that, although I'm not at all sure that they are
treated differently under windows. My point's just that if floppies and
removable hard drives are treated differently, it's only logical that a
zip would be treated like a floppy and a jaz would be treated as a
removable HD, since that's basically what they are. ('
--
______
tinman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Date: 20 Jun 2000 16:04:02 PST
In comp.os.linux.misc Oliver Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe I should have said what this article is about. Anyway it's not
> going to be very technical. It's more to do with an instance of
> corporate culture being "infiltrated" by Linux culture. I just happen to
> be curious and technically minded and don't mind asking stupid
> questions.
Infiltrate has a connotation of 'subvert from within'. I guess that Linux
has the reputation of infiltrating because it is open source and somehow seems
less "official" than Microsoft products. But remember that Unix and its variants
have been corporate workhorses for decades now.
I think you have a story in the sense that Linux is making inroads in corporations
and Linux does have a certain culture associated with it -- but don't portray it
as these wild-eyed Linux advocates spreading Linux around corporations. It is often
the best tool for the job, and done for the right reasons.
--
Neil
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