Linux-Advocacy Digest #212, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 01:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard) (Frog2)
Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Mark)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Mark)
Re: UI Importance (Mark)
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Mark)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Rotten168)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Getting used to Linux (F/@-)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Rotten168)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (mike@-)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Rotten168)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:46:55 +1200
Rotten168 wrote:
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
>>>>Hey, don't destroy his fantasy that the universe revolves around
>>>>America.
>>>>
>>>Well now,... lets see what happens to the world economy if the stock
>>>exchanges went belly up. Think your country is immune??
>>>
>>>
>>When the US economy was rapidly slowing down, New Zealand was expanding at
>>3.5-3.7%, fueled by the low dollar and increased dairy output. The US needs
>>an export backed recovery, throw the dollar down to say, 50US Cents to one
>>New Zealand Dollar, thus making it more competitive, imports cost more thus
>>protect local industry ligitimately, and the trade deficit comes down.
>>
>>As for the stock exchange, the New Zealand has learnt from the 87 crash, but
>>apparently, the US hasn't.
>>
>>Matthew Gardiner
>>
>
> What is unemployment in New Zealand?
Around 5-6%, which is realatively good for a country whose back bone is
agriculture. However, unemployment is not an accurate representation of
economic growth. Japan for example has an unemployment figure of around
1-2%, however, to be classified as unemployed, you must be working less
that 3 hours a week! Also, most of the economic growth in the US is
fueled by internal demand, unlike the NZ economy which relys heavily on
trade since NZ doesnot have the land mass or population to be a self
sustaining economy.
However, being a self sustaining economy does have its draw backs. After
10 years of growth fueled by internal demand, now these companies must
export and develop overseas, however, since the US$ is so high, the
result is, very few people can afford US made goods, resulting in a
build up of inventory, thus the result is the slump the US. Solution:
Devalue the dollar, which fuels exports, company profits increase, more
people are hired, more money back into the economy etc etc.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Frog2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Jun 2001 03:48:57 -0000
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard)
Crossposted-To: alt.bonehead.steve-chaney,soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marg Petersen) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> T. R. Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Margelefty wrote:
> >>Brock Hannibal wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> Now move along, before you
> >>> get laughed off of usenet.
> >>
> >>Hasn't happened yet but you're welcome to try.
> >
> >And I quote Margelefty thusly:
> >
> >"You can all burn in hell for all I care. I'm unsubscribing from these
> >groups FOREVER!"
> >
> And I'm still here.
you showed him
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
fat kid: i've got some fudge hidden up my ass - you want some?
chaney: yeah right - i'm not falling for that one again.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:22:39 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, flatfish+++ wrote:
>On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:28:12 +0000, "Gary Hallock"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "flatfish+++"
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> They are an all IBM shop and have been TR for years.
>>
>>Your friend must be a idiot to trust you installing Linux. By the way,
>>TR works fine for me.
>>
>>Gary
>
>So pray tell me what is the secret?
>
>I have Mandrake 7.2 sitting right here and a nice Thinkpad 765L
>sitting here as well.
>
>Mandrake installs fine.
>
>Now try and get X running.
>
>Drakconf mis-identifies the Cyber chipset as the incorrect one and
>when X loads the screen just turns white.
>
>xf86config does exactly the same no matter what choice I take.
>
>So Gary, what do I do?
>
>BTW the Token Ring card (the one with the geen decal on it, not a
>Turbo but the original 16/4) will NOT work with Linux.
>
>So Gary, what do I do now?
>
>Please be specific.
>
>And for what it's worth, Redhat 6.1 installed perfectly on the same
>machine and I selected SVGA that would do 1024x768 @70hz and 16bpi and
>50hz-90hz and it worked perfectly.
Very specifically, use Redhat.
--
Mark Kent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:24:29 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <9g8qeq$333$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edward Rosten wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mark"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> In article <9g78sp$t94$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edward Rosten wrote:
>>>>> >> >> >W2k rockz and linux suxors. Need I say more? :)
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Yeah, American Windows and foreign Linux. Now what does that
>>>>> >> >> tell you?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >Linux is a flavor of an American OS.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Written from scratch by a Finn...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Based on an American OS.
>>>>>
>>>>> For use on something derived from European technology.
>>>>
>>>> Yet another worthless assertion with ZERO evidence to back it up.
>>>
>>>The computer originated in europe in case you didn't know. The first
>>>ever device that could be classified as a modern computer (ie it was
>>>Turing complete) was built in Germany during WWII by Konrad Zuse (do a
>>>google search, it shows up a lot of stuff) and was complete (IIRC) in
>>>1943.
>>>
>>>If you look at a bit of history, you will realise that the development
>>>of the computer is a truly multinational phenomenon and will quit with
>>>"The US is better than... because they invented...".
>>>
>>>BTW, you're completely wrong and there is plenty of evidence.
>>>
>>>-Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Just curious why Colossus doesn't rate being classified as a computer -
>> it was certainly computing before 1943 and was certainly modern and was
>> very complete.......
>
>Oops, my mistake. The Z3 was assembled in 1941. Also, Colosus was not a
>"Turing complete" machine. If you are talking about non turing complete
>computers, then the Z1 probably counts as the first general purpose non
>turing complete machine. That mechanical marval was built (by Zuse) in
>1938.
>
>Personally, I think Collosus does count as a computer. If so the Z1 does
>too.
>
>
>-Ed
>
>
Fair enough.
--
Mark Kent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:19:16 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Josiah Fizer wrote:
>On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:52:04 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 00:10:21 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> (Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>> >And if you don't, you'll search for the info.
>>>> >Point of the excersize completed.
>>>> >If you don't search for the info, then another point of the excersize was
>>>> >completed. You aren't fit to be a programmer.
>>>>
>>>> What's the point in the exercise at all if you have to search for
>>>> everything afterwards?
>>>
>>>What's the point of man pages?
>>
>>To find out things about things?
>
>admin@Trillian ~> man things
>No manual entry for things.
>
>Seems to not work.
It worked perfectly - it told you there was no man page for 'things'.
--
Mark Kent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:23:18 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
GreyCloud wrote:
>Mark wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rotten168 wrote:
>> >Nigel Feltham wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > So Dennis is an avid gamer, eh?
>> >> > ;-)
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Maybe we should do him a favour and send him copies of Tuxkart, tuxracer,
>> >> flightgear, chromium and all the other good linx games ( or suggest he
>> >> looks at www.linuxgames.com).
>> >
>> >I'd be wary of anything with that stupid fucking penguin in it. If he
>> >wants good games, send him over to Loki's sight for some REAL games.
>> >
>>
>> I like the penguin.
>>
>> --
>> Mark Kent
>
>I wonder where we can get some stuffed Octopi to sell to the
>Windanistas? We could make a good profit!
>
:-)
--
Mark Kent
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:05:56 +1200
Stephen S. Edwards II wrote:
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g8v9n$av3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>>YATY = Yet Another Typical Yank
>>
>>You have now been kill filed.
>>
>
> Take notes, people. Defeatist and
> non-confrontational types are
> always defeated.
>
>
I didn't killfile you, I jus wanted to hear another pathetic reply.
btw, wtf is it with the II after your name?
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:09:04 +1200
Stephen S. Edwards II wrote:
> "Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
>>Stephen S. Edwards II spouted:
>>
>>
>>>The fact is, if Europe hadn't dragged us into
>>>their little conflict ..
>>>
>>The Japs. The Japs brought the US into WWII.
>>What's the matter, don't you go to the cinema?
>>
>
> Perhaps that was poorly worded. As I said in
> my reply to Steve, if Europe had banded together
> properly to face off against the Nazis, they
> would have squished them instantly. Japan never
> would have been influenced to attack us, and
> we wouldn't have gotten dragged into it in the
> first place.
>
> And as for Pearl Harbor, I have no interest in
> seeing Hollywierd's interpretation of events.
Had, back in 1917, the western allies properly funded Tsar Nicholas II
and stopped the communist forces, there would have never been a cold
war! It is very easy to look back in hinesight knowing what we know now.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:14:19 GMT
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g8urk$akv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > > The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows
> > that
> > > > the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax" hype
> > > > created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony Blaire's
> > second
> > > > term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better, we know who
> won!
> > > > unlike the US election that just dragged on and on. Mind you, I never
> > > > followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches democracy doesn't
> practice
> > it
> > > > when election time rolls around.
> > >
> > > <sigh>
> > >
> > > Talk about keeping your head in your own little world. You don't
> > > know the first thing about American Democracy. That election fiasco
> > > was an example of how firm and solid the American democracy is and
> > > how it can withstand the challenge of corrupt officials (Gore, Clinton)
> > > and an attack from within.
> >
> > Well, for 500 years, Britainnia has never had that sort of issues to worry
> > about. New Zealand, that hasn't happened. I think it happened once in
> > Australia, but the governor general desolved parliament and there was a
> > re-election.
> >
> > Also, we all know what American Democracy = Large corporations using
> parties
> > to push their agenda.
>
> Oh God. Another "waaaah! They have money, and I
> don't! It so unfair!" type of person.
>
> Competition is the essence of capitalism. If you
> can't handle it, then that's your problem. But
> most people, when competing, feel like they are
> accomplishing something (and they are). Competition
> is the ultimate high for people of any culture.
>
> And if I have the desire, wherewithall, and ability,
> I can found one of those large corporations, as can
> ANYONE here.
>
> Look at Microsoft... people like you hate them, because
> they were simply skilled and smart enough to rise to
> an unprecedented position. Personally, I think Microsoft
> is a testament to the American will, and capitalism.
I am no Linux advocate... but Microsoft did not necessarily get to where
there are by being "simply skilled and smart enough". Microsoft is
simply a ruthless company. I know that the business world is ruthless,
but MS is ruthless even within the business world.
FUD, licensing, tie-ins, threats... etc. etc. etc.
Microsoft are in no way angels. They didn't get to where they are
entirely through illegal means... but a lot of it has been questionable.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:15:17 +1200
> Yes that's true to a large extent... some of us do realize that here...
> and we're trying to do something about it. I'd never say that the US
> system is perfect. I guess the problem is that I can't really compare it
> to the NZ system, because NZ and the US are apples and oranges with
> completely different problems, at least from what I've heard.
>
> BTW my aunt went there a few years back... she said it's beautiful,
> she's a fly fisherperson... said the fishing was really good too.
>
I've been to Yellow Stone Park and other major nature reserves. The US
is an interesting country with a rich history to be proud of, however, I
do get pissed off with revisionist versions history to suite a
particular nationalist mandate.
As for the party funding, there needs to be a major overhaul of the
whole political system for things to change. There are too many senators
receiving kick backs by party donors, which as a result, the Joe Average
on the street, no matter who they vote for is going to be screwed either
way, which is rather disappointing.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: F/@- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: 13 Jun 2001 20:35:46 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mlw says...
>I will never go back to Windows.
I am afraid I had to go back to windows, becuase the software
I need to use is only on windows.
For example, I bought ATI all-in-wonder radeon board, it is a
TV tuner card and video card in one. the ATI mutlimedia software
that comes with it and the driver and the the movie editing software
all run on windows. They do not run on Linux. I tried to install
driver I found from the net on linux to make the TV tuner card work,
but gave up after few hours, I am not a kernel guy, I just wanted to
use the card and the software.
I would very much prefer to have stayed with Linux, but I am finding
it is easier not to fight things and take the easy way. Just plug in
the card and click and start to use the software. It took 5 minutes
on windows to get everything working out of the box.
I know this is not Linux fault. 3rd party write drivers and software
for windows. But as 'user', Linux is not yet ready for what I want
to do. If I was doing server and networking stuff, then Linux would
be a good choice, but not for what I am doing now.
F/
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:23:32 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> Rotten168 wrote:
>
> > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> >
> >>>>Hey, don't destroy his fantasy that the universe revolves around
> >>>>America.
> >>>>
> >>>Well now,... lets see what happens to the world economy if the stock
> >>>exchanges went belly up. Think your country is immune??
> >>>
> >>>
> >>When the US economy was rapidly slowing down, New Zealand was expanding at
> >>3.5-3.7%, fueled by the low dollar and increased dairy output. The US needs
> >>an export backed recovery, throw the dollar down to say, 50US Cents to one
> >>New Zealand Dollar, thus making it more competitive, imports cost more thus
> >>protect local industry ligitimately, and the trade deficit comes down.
> >>
> >>As for the stock exchange, the New Zealand has learnt from the 87 crash, but
> >>apparently, the US hasn't.
> >>
> >>Matthew Gardiner
> >>
> >
> > What is unemployment in New Zealand?
I've always had an interest in economics... to be interested in
something so "squarish" kinda' makes me ashamed. Didn't Bill Gates major
in economics?
> Around 5-6%, which is realatively good for a country whose back bone is
> agriculture. However, unemployment is not an accurate representation of
> economic growth. Japan for example has an unemployment figure of around
> 1-2%, however, to be classified as unemployed, you must be working less
> that 3 hours a week! Also, most of the economic growth in the US is
> fueled by internal demand, unlike the NZ economy which relys heavily on
> trade since NZ doesnot have the land mass or population to be a self
> sustaining economy.
Yes, you are correct that employment figures are not an accurate
representation of economic health. But neither is the stock market.
BTW are you sure that unemployment is that low in Japan? For some reason
I thought it actually got higher than the current US rates (4.5% I
think).
> However, being a self sustaining economy does have its draw backs. After
> 10 years of growth fueled by internal demand, now these companies must
> export and develop overseas, however, since the US$ is so high, the
> result is, very few people can afford US made goods, resulting in a
> build up of inventory, thus the result is the slump the US. Solution:
> Devalue the dollar, which fuels exports, company profits increase, more
> people are hired, more money back into the economy etc etc.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
Actually the US economy is far from self-sufficient. AFAIK we have
tremendous trade deficits from almost all other regions of the world.
Also, the US economy is still pumping along at an incredible speed,
consumer confidence AND retail spending were both up the last few months
or so. Clinton was right when he said that the US was not in a
recession. Now, what happens next is anybody's guess, we are in
uncharted waters in economic terms.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: mike@- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: 13 Jun 2001 20:40:22 -0700
In article <9fvhp8$ibd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Matthew says...
>
>The only people who do
>invest into tech stocks are idiots who hope to make a quick buck.
hehe. I bought Borland (BORL) early this year, and so far I made $240,000,
and hoping to make another $240,000 by the end of this year on this one
tech stock alone.
yup, I sure I fee like an idiot.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:26:43 -0400
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nutshell: Personal Responsibility.
> > >
> > > And it's quite obvious that gays don't have it.
> > >
> > > That's why a mere 1% of the population constitutes more than 50% of the
> AIDS cases.
> > >
> > 1%? What fucking planet are you living on you?
> > --
> > http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
>
> I never said the 1% bullshit. Just correct the figure, most cases, in
> Eastern Europe, African and Asia are either hetro sex or drugs. Also, I was
> assuming thats what AK was trying to say in his frantic hetro-fit.
translation: I, Matthew Gardiner, am a homosexual...who is
trying to silence ANY AND ALL commentary against homosexual behavior.
>
> Unfortunately/fortunately AK doesn't live in reality. Supposedly that is
> because he went off to war like a good little boy, and somehow that makes
> him the judge, jury and executioner. I've actually always wondered whether
> AK was one of those kids that used to get beaten up all the time for acting
> like a dick head.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
> --
> I am the blue screen of death
> nobody hears your scream's
>
> Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
> however, in New Zealand and Australia
> a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
>
> For AOL and earthlink lusers asking stupid questions:
> Seek and ye shall find
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:27:30 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> > Yes that's true to a large extent... some of us do realize that here...
> > and we're trying to do something about it. I'd never say that the US
> > system is perfect. I guess the problem is that I can't really compare it
> > to the NZ system, because NZ and the US are apples and oranges with
> > completely different problems, at least from what I've heard.
> >
> > BTW my aunt went there a few years back... she said it's beautiful,
> > she's a fly fisherperson... said the fishing was really good too.
> >
>
> I've been to Yellow Stone Park and other major nature reserves. The US
> is an interesting country with a rich history to be proud of, however, I
> do get pissed off with revisionist versions history to suite a
> particular nationalist mandate.
No I was talking about NZ (we're from the US). She loved it. Great
fishing apparently.
--
- Brent
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:27:09 +1200
> Oh God. Another "waaaah! They have money, and I
> don't! It so unfair!" type of person.
>
> Competition is the essence of capitalism. If you
> can't handle it, then that's your problem. But
> most people, when competing, feel like they are
> accomplishing something (and they are). Competition
> is the ultimate high for people of any culture.
>
> And if I have the desire, wherewithall, and ability,
> I can found one of those large corporations, as can
> ANYONE here.
>
> Look at Microsoft... people like you hate them, because
> they were simply skilled and smart enough to rise to
> an unprecedented position. Personally, I think Microsoft
> is a testament to the American will, and capitalism.
>
> Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing, of course,
> depends upon your POV.
Read "Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith which addresses the issue of
public provision, captalism and the effect of a monopoly on the
"invisible hand", then come back and say the same thing with meaning.
Too bad this "American will, and capitalism" can't be applied to the
agricultural sector which receives $19Billion a year worth of welfare
because it can't compete with Australian and New Zealand agriculture,
which receive NO subsidies. Look at New Zealand, we have no quota's,
very low tariffs, free trade with Singapore, Australia, and all third
world countries. Government for 10 years has run constant supluses, as
required by the Fiscal Responsibility Act. No strikes in the private or
public sector for 15 years. A fair and equitable National Health System
and Welfare System for all those who need it. Very few trade
restrictions, apart from those sanctioned by the UN. A very advanced
banking system. Stable monetry policy set by the Reserve Bank Act.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:30:30 +1200
Rotten168 wrote:
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
>>>Yes that's true to a large extent... some of us do realize that here...
>>>and we're trying to do something about it. I'd never say that the US
>>>system is perfect. I guess the problem is that I can't really compare it
>>>to the NZ system, because NZ and the US are apples and oranges with
>>>completely different problems, at least from what I've heard.
>>>
>>>BTW my aunt went there a few years back... she said it's beautiful,
>>>she's a fly fisherperson... said the fishing was really good too.
>>>
>>>
>>I've been to Yellow Stone Park and other major nature reserves. The US
>>is an interesting country with a rich history to be proud of, however, I
>>do get pissed off with revisionist versions history to suite a
>>particular nationalist mandate.
>>
>
> No I was talking about NZ (we're from the US). She loved it. Great
> fishing apparently.
>
>
Its nice to hear that your aunt enjoyed it over in New Zealand, maybe
one day you could come and visit :)
Matthew Gardiner
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