Linux-Advocacy Digest #212, Volume #29 Tue, 19 Sep 00 16:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: GPL & freedom
Re: New Linux Install ("David ..")
Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? ("James")
Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) (Mark Kelley)
Re: I'm back! This group has sunk to a new low ("James")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Yannick")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Yannick")
Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie! ("Yannick")
Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? (Pete
Goodwin)
Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? (Pete
Goodwin)
Re: The Linux Experience
Re: filename extensions are NOT a kludge (Richard)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Yannick")
Re: I'm back! This group has sunk to a new low
Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux ("Rev. Don Kool")
Re: GPL & freedom (.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: GPL & freedom
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:28:07 -0000
On 19 Sep 2000 18:16:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> Nobody is forcing people to use GPL.
>
>> Actually, the GPL does force others to use the GPL. The description of the
>> GPL even talks about this force. Basically it encourages employees of
>> companies to use GPL'd code, and then when the company goes to release the
>> code it should be "explained" to them that they can't do so without
>> releasing the source. GNU then says "The majority of them will go ahead and
>> release the source rather than not make the tool available".
>
>This sounds very much like a very old and well worn market strategy called
>'culling'. The point is to trap your market into your product and make it
>extremely difficult to change brands---while at the same time distributing
>your product for you with every move.
>
>The interesting about all of this is that 'culling' is exactly what microsoft
>has been doing all this time (not that theres anything particularly wrong with
>it, or that its more unethical than any other type of marketing strategy).
This all hinges on a Lemming style of argumentation similar to
when the "ease" or "ubiquity" of Win9x is mangled with the
"robustness" of NT in the same comparison with an alternative.
It ignores the common reality of things and the fact that the
real robber barons are busy making money with Free Software
while you wannabes are whining.
[deletia]
--
Watson's Law:
The reliability of machinery is inversely proportional to the
number and significance of any persons watching it.
perfect guest:
One who makes his host feel at home.
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: New Linux Install
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:18:39 -0500
"James M. Luongo" wrote:
>
> I plan on installing Linux Mandrake 7.1 for the first time. I need some
> help. How big should the partitions be? And, I heard something about
> LiLo not recognizing a Linux partition after a certain disk cylinder (or
> sector, whatever). I think it was 1023, but I'm not sure. Is this
> true? Help!
The size of the partitions depends a little on the size of your hard
drive and/or how much space you are allowing linux to use. It also
depends on what you are wanting to install and use the system for. The
only partitions that are mandatory are the root ( / ) partition and the
swap partition.
Below is the output of "df -h" on my system.
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda2 159M 31M 120M 21% /
/dev/hda7 787M 541M 206M 72% /home
/dev/hda5 3.9G 2.1G 1.6G 56% /home/ftp/pub
/dev/hda10 243M 145M 86M 63% /tmp
/dev/hda6 988M 818M 120M 87% /usr
/dev/hda11 152M 607k 143M 0% /usr/local
/dev/hda9 296M 5.9M 275M 2% /usr/src
/dev/hda8 387M 120M 248M 33% /var
--
Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.windows98
Subject: Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time?
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:59:04 +0200
The short answer is "NO".
If you want stability use something else - preferably W2k or Unix/Linux.
However, if you want many desktop apps and don't like diy, like myself, you
are pretty much limited to W2k.
James
"Dan Jacobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8q61qj$9r2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time?
> E.g. as I type this in I am doing a save-file every few lines, to lose
> less incase 'freeze, 3 finger salute' occurs.
>
> I mean isn't this supposed to be the legacy system that dominates the
> world's computers? How could they not have conquered this freeze problem?
> I mean I hear it is the common experience of all users, not just of those
> who've added extra wacky software.
> --
> www.geocities.com/jidanni E-mail: restore ".com." ¿n¤¦¥§
> Tel:+886-4-5854780; starting in year 2001: +886-4-25854780
>
>
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From: Mark Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:54:43 -0500
"Joe R." wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Jason Bowen wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > It was Aaron's claim, let him take care of it.
> >
> > All chemical reactions proceed at a rate determined by exponential
> > decay.
> >
> > If you had the slightest bit of understanding, you would understand
> > this.
>
> ROTFLMAO.
>
> Aaron--there are several chemists who read this group regularly
> (including me). Don't expect to get away with posting absolute nonsense
> like the above.
>
> For the record, you're wrong. Way wrong.
I'm a chemist for whom rates of reaction are an everyday thing; my
specialty is kinetics. Yes, his statement is way wrong.
--
Mark Kelley
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I'm back! This group has sunk to a new low
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:02:45 +0200
Oh shit, am I in trouble ???????
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8q69m4$p73$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > This group is just plain boring these days, I have a break in work for
> > about 11 days so I will be posting here, even for a short time.
>
> Translation: The psychiatric pod at the jail is overcrowded, so I got
> matrixed out, and the probation office has some new-fangled home
> monitoring systems, so now I've got this thing on my ankle till my
> pre-sentencing hearing.
>
> > At least we can count on some excitement instead of the boring crap
> > that has been going on here.
>
> Translation: The medication is wearing off, too.
>
> > claire
>
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:11:34 GMT
Ernst-Udo Wallenborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le
message : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Thats why we need open standards for data exchange formats.
> If all data was open you could just switch to another product and
> if necessary write a converter. No such thing with proprietary
> formats.
As far as word-processing is concerned, the standards exist and have
achieved quite a level of competitivity with formats such as Word. Take HTML
4 + CSS 2 and have a look at what is possible. Problem is, nowadays many
people use Netscape 4.x, to preserve a so-called competition between
browsers. While Netscape 4.x stays around with a significant market share,
web developers will tend to limit themselves to Netscape 4.x possibilities,
and what will urge MS to comply to the spec more than their competitor have
never had?
For the problem with HTML+CSS is that it is quite rich and quite in advance
on the existing browsers. So, if you get real competitors, i.e. competitors
who really try to compete on technical aspects (unlike Netscape on their
Navigator product those last years), maybe the standard will come to life.
Until then...
That's the difference between a standard format and a proprietary format : a
proprietary format is always implemented at least once. The standard might
never become real.
Yannick.
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From: "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:11:35 GMT
D G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message :
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Stuart Fox wrote:
> >
> > "D G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll give you the variety part, but not the quality part. The
majority
> > > of *nix software is of far higher quality, IMO. (Unless you equate
eye
> > > candy with quality.)
> > >
> > Personally, I'd class look and feel part of quality. In my book,
quality
> > isn't just stability...
>
> Look and feel is definitely a part of quality, but it's way down on the
> list of importance. Most windows programs have a nice look and feel
> (not much choice if you use the windows API), but are otherwise ridden
> with bugs. But, all other things being equal, you can bet I'll take the
> application that looks nicer.
>
> Acrobat reader is one example of a program that constantly crashes or
> simply doesn't work on windows, but never gives me problems hp-ux.
> (Haven't tried it yet on linux, since I like xpdf.)
The problem is on the meaning of "quality". Quality is not about making a
perfect product, it's about meeting requirements. All features that are not
part of the requirements do not increase the quality of the product, they
only add comfort (sometimes getting something too much better than what is
required, but at increased cost, is considered a lack of quality, which is
easily understood because very often "at an optimal cost" is part of the
requirements).
Someone wanting to run a internet webserver will require that the OS is
stable because he wants the machine to be able to work round the clock with
minimal need of human assistance. So the quality of an internet webserver
includes meeting the stability requirement.
Now consider someone working with his computer for interactive tasks
(wordprocessing, drawing, multimedia, etc...). What the job is about is
communicating with the machine, so one of the major quality requirements
will be a rich user interface. I personnally prefer (for interactive tasks)
software that has a rich interface (for instance Windows apps using the GUI
intensively) to software that I can run for three days without a crash,
because restarting a crashed app is faster than using a lame GUI. Of course,
I'll prefer very much to have both, and indeed, most of the time, I get rich
apps with reasonable stability even on Windows, whatever linux advocates
say.
Moreover, any software should be crash resistant (meaning you don't corrupt
your data on a crash, whatever its cause), because it's impossible to avoid
a machine from crashing for hardware reasons (power unit dies, for
instance), and you don't want to have redundant everything for hardware that
does not need permanent availability.
Yannick.
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From: "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.ms.windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie!
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:11:36 GMT
Bobby D. Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message :
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [headers trimmed]
> I've never heard anyone complain that Win 9x *supported* DOS. The
complaints
> are about MS's manipulativeness.
>
Then you've not been listening much. The problem is that many stability
problems probably come from that DOS _driver_
compatibility (we are not speaking of supporting DOS apps, but DOS drivers).
How else can one explain that people get
Windows to run with really good stability (like I do), while other people
have problems running the same OS because they
use strange software with drivers that are not only not perfect (errare
humanum est), but are not even really designed for
the OS they are working on...
Yannick.
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Subject: Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:19:08 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in <8q68e7$nrl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
The easiest way to prevent Windows 98 SE from crashing/freezing is keep
reinstalling it ever so often. Don't let it go for 12 months or so
otherwise you'll get the "creep" and registry problems.
--
Pete Goodwin
---
Coming soon, Kylix, Delphi on Linux.
My success does not require the destruction of Microsoft.
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Subject: Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:19:33 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nigel Feltham) wrote in <8q8a1c$dr5ds$1
@ID-35459.news.cis.dfn.de>:
>8. After performing all the above when it still crashes, give up, insert
>linux cd and install it - no more crashes.
...yeah but no software to speak of either!
--
Pete Goodwin
---
Coming soon, Kylix, Delphi on Linux.
My success does not require the destruction of Microsoft.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Linux Experience
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:16:43 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jake Taense <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I explained very carefully. She knew she had XFree86 3.3.6. From the
XFree86
> official documentation, she knew that 3.3.6 didn't include TrueType
support.
>
> It is COMPLETELY reasonable for her to assume at this point that she needs
to
> add that capability. She did not know that RedHat ships a custom version,
and
> she didn't have any reason to suspect it.
It was not reasonable that when someone is using Redhat 6.2 to not check for
the information provided by the distributer for the desired feature.
Go to: http://www.redhat.com/apps/support/ which is accessable from
http://www.redhat.com by clicking on support. Once on the support page
entering the search term "truetype" brings up these two hits.
http://customer.support.redhat.com/rhoaprod/plsql/xxrh_know_pkg.srch2?p_id=1
38
http://customer.support.redhat.com/rhoaprod/plsql/xxrh_know_pkg.srch2?p_id=1
50
>From those we get this information:
========
What is xfs and what do I need to do to get it started?
xfs is an X Font Server included with the recent versions of Red Hat
Linux. The version of xfs included with Red Hat Linux has been patched to
provide enhancements to the stock XFree86 version. The version of xfs on
Red Hat Linux is capable of serving both TrueType and Type 1 fonts as well
as legacy X fonts. In addition, xfs should improve performance as the job
of serving fonts is off-loaded from the X server into a separate process.
In order to get this going, you need to be running Red Hat Linux 6.0 or
newer. You also need to have networking and xfs service installed and
running. Please note that if you have upgraded any of the XFree86
packages from sources other than Red Hat, you may not have all the
enhancements available. More than likely in this case, X will crash and
burn :)
_____
I would like to know how I can activate the built-in true type font
server.
True type fonts are supported as of Red Hat 6.0. Although it takes a bit
of work. One thing to note is that font names must be in all lower case.
Now, first create a directory for the true type fonts,
mkdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttf
Then copy your ttf files to this directory. Run the command:
ttmkfdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttf/
<more details>
=========
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From: Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: filename extensions are NOT a kludge
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:28:06 GMT
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
> I hate to jump into this, but I think you've missed
> something if you really think it is impossible. BeOS
> happens to use a non-extension based system of mime-types.
> If you take an MP3 file and rename it 'music.txt' it will
> still pull up the MP3 player. As to the user being in
> control: You pull up a context menu and you can change the
> mime type just by scrolling through a list. At file
> creation (in apps that can create more than one type of
> file) the same list is available. It isn't as impossible
> as you imply. And it isn't a power-trip on the
> programmers part.
That's the same thing as a filename extension, except
that it's a kludge because you create a separate function
to access the type information for no good reason. Well,
the 'reason' is that you want to complicate/obfuscate the
system so that users don't change type information by
accident. It's the equivalent of adding warnings and/or
confirmations to other common operations like rm. And
unlike rm, renaming a file is /not/ a destructive operation
so there is no reason to put hurdles in users' way (in this
case, it's legitimate to say that users will learn from their
mistakes).
What I said was impossible was determining type from
binary file information automagically. And from what
you describe, that's not what BeOS does.
> Personally, I feel this is one of the things that BeOS
> does right. There are a lot of clueless users that will
> rename files and forget to keep the proper extension on
> the file. In this case, a system like what BeOS employs
> works wonderfully. And with a click of the mouse you can
> change the actual type of the file. No loss of power, no
> ridiculous kludges to keep files of the correct type.
>From a purely functional point of view, putting types
in the links might work (from a conceptual point of
view, it doesn't) if manipuling type info (and creating
a new object counts) is /extremely/ rare for users. Even
in that case, having useful names for extensions (eg,
"playlist" and not "m3u") would impress the meaning
and importance of extensions upon users. The idea that
users do not need to know type information is patently
absurd, it's just that in GUIs type information is shown
by using different icons. Do users of a CLI have any less
need to know type information? So from the user's pov,
not having easily accessible types is a losing proposition.
And this all breaks down (including your assertion that
it isn't a power trip for programmers) because programmers
need to manipulate types too and filename extensions are
1) extremely easy and convenient, 2) don't complicate the
API. If programmers think that secreting type information
away from users is sufficient reason to pay this penalty, of
harming themselves, then it's because they want to control
("clueless") users.
It's simple actually;
if you are using a CLI then you need to have easy and routine
access to type information. How are you gonna do that? The
simplest way is for 'ls' to display it when you do a listing of
files, in much the same way that it displays permissions, time-
stamps and other things. Ok, now suppose that you have a
separate command for renaming files and their extensions
(this is equivalent to what you describe in BeOS) just like
you have separate commands for manipulating permissions
and timestamps. The question is: what does this get you?
The answer is "Jack" because there is no distinction between
the set of people who should use rename and the people who
should use changeType. With timestamps it's very different.
With permissions it's also very different (although it may
be hard or impossible to see that difference in Unix because
its semantics are so weak).
Are types and names very different abstractions in users'
minds? Absolutely. Is this a good reason to have different
accessors? Of course. Is it a good *enough* reason to pay
the penalty of complicating the interface? Do *I* want
to have to pay that penalty because some programmer feels
a condescending and paternalistic "concern" for users?
There are ways to reduce the number of accidental type
changes without hobbling the users. And forcing users to
use separate accessor functions is not one of them. The
problem with this is that it requires a bit of thought to
solve and that's something programmers are loathe to
devote for the users' sake. An intelligent shell that shows
the results of automatic filename/command completion
on a separate line would probably be at the top of the list.
It might work like word processors that highlight misspelled
words. It could also present the "correct" spelling/filename
just below the command line in an interactive shell (and this
has been presented as a general human enhancement facility.)
And hey, it only took me a minute to think it up.
Sorry for the rambling but I'm extremely tired at this time.
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From: "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:36:54 GMT
Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message :
8q63l4$r6s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> In comp.os.linux.misc Yannick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> :> Sure...just put it in a shutdown script.
> :> But...with unix..the utility of shutting down machines is nil.
>
> : It is. It's called saving energy. Unless you have teams working 24h/24h
> : 7 days a week.
>
> That calculation is moot. You lose more energy in the lower lifetime of
> the disks (it takes a LOT of energy to make one hard disk). Disks fail
> when left nonspinning, and when spun up. (This is mostly true of
> IDE disks, which are not made to high standards in general, and which
> tend strongly to have bearing mechanisms which seize when they
> aren't used ...).
>
> Just keep the machine on ... it shouldn't use much energy when the
> monitor's off. Besides, my machine is always doing things when I'm
> not there ...
That might well be possible. I suppose you know what you're speaking
about. Altough I'd be suprised if the bearings seized after little off time
(one night or a week end).
In the enterprise (which is our discussion), this is probably the best
solution.
On the other hand, at home, I think that switching off is more natural :
most
of the time the hard drives are probably obsolete long before they are dead.
Maybe my opinion is biaised by the fact that I prefer IBM hard drives. If
you
listen to how silent they are, you understand how precise their mechanics
must
be.
Yannick.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I'm back! This group has sunk to a new low
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:44:17 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:39c7b7f8$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Oh shit, am I in trouble ???????
Yes, Commander Bond.
You summoned she/he/it, and as a result she/he/it has sunken COLA to a new
low by returning.
Your assignement Cmdr Bond, if you choose to accept it, is to deal with
results of your summoning and keep she/he/it under control. Your computer
will self-destruct in five seconds of having a Microsoft product installed.
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From: "Rev. Don Kool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:03:31 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Nigel Feltham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Perhaps dropping a few thousand copies of linux over a few big cities or
> > maybe
> > getting a few newspaper companies to give away copies will have a similar
> > effect
> > as who is going to spend the prices MS charge for windows when they have
> > just
> > had something better delivered free with their morning paper - especially if
> > it includes
> > eqivalents of all the applications they could be considering purchasing.
> Bwahahahahaha ROTFL :)
>
> Yeah, right - the average computer user can't work an ftp client unless it
> looks *exactly* like Windows explorer, so I'm sure they'll get along just
> *grand* with Linux. (And don't waste your breathe mentioning the pre-release
> "Desktop"s like KDE and GNOME in your reply - not till they're finished.
My thoughts exactly.
Don
--
********************** You a bounty hunter?
* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
http://members.home.net/oldno7
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: GPL & freedom
Date: 19 Sep 2000 20:06:54 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 19 Sep 2000 18:16:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>> Nobody is forcing people to use GPL.
>>
>>> Actually, the GPL does force others to use the GPL. The description of the
>>> GPL even talks about this force. Basically it encourages employees of
>>> companies to use GPL'd code, and then when the company goes to release the
>>> code it should be "explained" to them that they can't do so without
>>> releasing the source. GNU then says "The majority of them will go ahead and
>>> release the source rather than not make the tool available".
>>
>>This sounds very much like a very old and well worn market strategy called
>>'culling'. The point is to trap your market into your product and make it
>>extremely difficult to change brands---while at the same time distributing
>>your product for you with every move.
>>
>>The interesting about all of this is that 'culling' is exactly what microsoft
>>has been doing all this time (not that theres anything particularly wrong with
>>it, or that its more unethical than any other type of marketing strategy).
> This all hinges on a Lemming style of argumentation similar to
> when the "ease" or "ubiquity" of Win9x is mangled with the
> "robustness" of NT in the same comparison with an alternative.
> It ignores the common reality of things and the fact that the
> real robber barons are busy making money with Free Software
> while you wannabes are whining.
I of course did not comment on 'common reality' of any kind, since it seems
to be consistently subjective. The argument stands, draw your own conclusions.
=====.
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