Linux-Advocacy Digest #387, Volume #27 Wed, 28 Jun 00 23:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why linux sucks and why linux is best (Bob Hauck)
Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server (Craig Kelley)
Re: Belkin UPS and Linux (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux is junk (Craig Kelley)
Re: Why linux sucks and why linux is best (Jeff Szarka)
RE: Why linux sucks and why linux is best (Osugi Sakae)
Re: How fast is your text? (Jeff Szarka)
Re: M$ Exposed (was Re: Oracle's Dirty Tricks Department) (Jeff Szarka)
Re: How fast is your text? (Jeff Szarka)
Re: M$ Exposed (was Re: Oracle's Dirty Tricks Department) (sandrews)
Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy (Osugi Sakae)
Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or fantasy?
Re: High School is out...here come the trolls...who can't accept the future.
Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about.
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (Donovan Rebbechi)
Steve/Mike/Simon/.. Is "Tim Palmer" And "S" -was- CommyLinux vs Microsoft (was: Re:
Windows98) (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: How fast is your text? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: VB suck and Java rules (was: Re: Is Java 'larger' than VB ?) ("Ermine Todd")
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action ("Brian Scheetz")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Why linux sucks and why linux is best
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:13:23 GMT
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:27:13 -0400, Rich C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Interesting. I have an ancient sb16 in one machine and I don't need to
>
>There's the key right there: "ancient." If your SB16 is "ancient, then it
>probably has jumpers, no?
Yes, it does. So the "improved" it, did they? Oh well, isapnp works
for other pnp cards I have.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.bobh.org/
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Subject: Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 Jun 2000 19:13:31 -0600
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <8j9ghl$lv3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Redhat Linux and Debian GNU/Linux do. They default to 256 processes,
> > which is a little high but reasonable enough to allow root to
> sluggishly
> > log in and do a killall. You can set them lower if you need to.
> >
> > It sounds like Mandrake is screwed up. What is the output of 'ulimit
> -a'
> > on your Mandrake system?
>
> I'm beginning to think I should switch from Mandrake - despite hearing
> good things about it. I have Red Hat 6.2, maybe I'll give that a spin.
They have different foci, Mandrake is more desktop-user oriented. You
can use ulimit to lock down a Mandrake box, if you are worried about
resource-bombs and such.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Belkin UPS and Linux
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:20:58 GMT
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:22:12 -0700, Daniel Mendyke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>The local Office Depot is running a sale
>on the Belkin 525VA UPS.
>
>Is anyone using this UPS with their Linux box?
I wrote a ups daemon called "upsd". I don't have a Belkin UPS, but I
got this from a user:
=====8<=====
Today I installed your UPS monitor software on my LINUX system
(kernel 2.2.14). The UPS is made by Belkin, 'The Regulator Pro
625 VA'. I was able to use the cable schematics supplied by you
and the pinout printed in the manual for the UPS.
As far as I could test it, it works...
=====8<=====
Now, the question is how close the 525 is to the 625. Note also that
upsd only uses the "dumb" mode of the ups, it won't report voltage or
anything, just shuts your system down after you've been on battery for
a while. Oh, and it supports shutting down other machines on a
network.
You can get upsd from sunsite or from my web site. The one on Sunsite
is probably somewhat newer.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.bobh.org/
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Subject: Re: Linux is junk
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 Jun 2000 19:21:47 -0600
Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Linux is a stinkin', steamin' pile of shit as far as I am concerned.
> >
> > I wasted $40 on Corel Office and wish I could get my hard earned money
> > back!
>
> Another happy Corel Linux user. And they wonder why people in the Linux
> community don't like the Corel offerings to the Linux world?
Yes, Corel Linux *1*.0 is bad -- but is it any worse than other 1.0
releases?
Although, I'd *never* reccomend it to a new user, it does have promise
(maybe version 3 will be better? Hopefully Corel can stay in business
long enough to turn it out...)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why linux sucks and why linux is best
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:30:54 -0400
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:14:12 GMT, "Pedro Iglesias"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Just installed, Windows 2000 as an example, does not enable 3D acceleration
>on
>cards as spreaded as TNT
For many cards you need to download new drivers. It's not much of a
problem since the 5.x line of drivers for the TNT offer a pretty
decent increase in performence. Many games have small glitches with
older drivers anyway. Check your vendors website for updated drivers
or use the reference drivers that can be found at
www.reactorcritical.com
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Subject: RE: Why linux sucks and why linux is best
From: Osugi Sakae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:31:16 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pedro Iglesias) wrote in <zNm65.111
$Ut5.2377
>@m2newsread.uni2.es>:
>
>>Windows NT/2000 is not better for games than Linux is. The rest
>>of the apps you say; of course, there is not a Linux version,
so if
>>you need them, use Windows (or Mac or whatever). It is not
inside
>>the system itself, it is a matter of software availability.
>
>Really, then why does Unreal Tournament perform _better_ on
Windows 2000
>than Windows 98 SE on the same machine?
Source and details please. I seem to recall an article in PC
Gamer (or similar mag) specifically saying that unless your
system is out of this world, most games run _more slowly_ under
W2k than under win98.
>>There have been the isapnp tools around for a log time, and
these
>>tools work very fine (in fact, are a lot of flexible). But,
kernel 2.2.x
>>and 2.4.x (still not stable, but very close) support PnP
>
>Ah yes, ISAPNP, I had so much fun with that little gem, getting
my SB16
>card to work.
Never had any trouble with my SB64, none at all.
>>USB has
>>support at 2.3.x and 2.4.x (and 2.2.x patched too), and
although
>>there will be non supported devices, remember than NT had not
>>USB support, and that Windows 98 USB support sucks.
>
>Windows 98 SE USB support seems to work fine to me. My scanner
and ZIP both
>work. Neither work on Linux.
Win98SE USB support seems spotty at best to me, although I don't
have a scanner. My Zip (driver-installing) software gave me all
sorts of warnings about USB specs and not connecting fast and
slow devices to the same port, yada yada. Never got that USB-
ethernet device working. Gave up on it and installed a pcmcia
ethernet card instead.
On the other hand, never even tried the zip drive in linux,
since making cds in linux has never failed. Under windows, the
same drive is 2 successes and 4 failures - hence the zip is more
important for me in windows.
>Pete
>
--
Osugi Sakae
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From: Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How fast is your text?
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:34:12 -0400
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:10:55 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>First, an example Perl program. I chose Perl because it's
>common to both systems.
Can you prove it is exactly the same on both systems? Of course not.
Tests like this are totally invalid.
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From: Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: M$ Exposed (was Re: Oracle's Dirty Tricks Department)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:32:15 -0400
On 28 Jun 2000 16:41:05 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich) wrote:
>>NEW YORK (AP) -- The Oracle Corp. has confirmed it hired a detective agency
>>to investigate allies of rival Microsoft Corp., and said the work showed
>>that Microsoft paid the trade and policy groups to ``influence'' public
>>opinion during its federal antitrust trial.
Welcome to Washington DC.
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From: Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How fast is your text?
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:36:09 -0400
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:10:55 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>This makes NT look sick -- an over 50x speedup. To be fair, of
>course, I should run NT in text mode for this benchmark. That is,
>if there is one.
As I said in my other message benchmarks like this are totally invalid
since there are far to many uncontrollaible varibles but if you want
to make it somewhat more fair make sure you are using cmd.com and not
command.com.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:38:06 -0400
From: sandrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: M$ Exposed (was Re: Oracle's Dirty Tricks Department)
Marcus Turner wrote:
>
> Well, Gee Loren. You seemed to snipped some of the more interesting
> Which seems to indicate that both sides are doing the PR route.
>
> And this is just the start. So, If DOJ takes 70 million dollars and 5
> years, what else do you think they could dig up about Oracle??
>
That Larry is a nice guy?
--
"This company has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.
If the problem persists, contact your vendor or appeal to a higher
court."
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Subject: Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy
From: Osugi Sakae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:43:31 -0700
Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tim Palmer wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:02:26 -0400, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Tim Palmer wrote:
>> >
>> >> I halve a Linux machine that goes down every day because
of Netscape.
>> >
>> >That is so obviously a lie. If you had said Netscape
crashes every day , that would be believable, But Netscape
crashing will not bring down Linux. You should really try to
come up
>> >with more convincing lies. You are really bad at it.
>>
>> OK, It crashes "X", which counts as the saim thing to most
users.
>>
>> >
>> >Gary
>> >
>
>Nope, The only thing that has ever happened to me is Netscape
crashing. X stays up along with all my other apps. And,
unfortunately, Netscape crashes often enough that I think I
>would have seen X crash if it was ever going to happen.
>
>Gary
>
>
Just my personal experience, but...
I have to admit that Netscape 4.?? did crash my X server once or
twice about 6+ months ago. So I went to a virtual terminal and
killed kdm and boom! back at the login screen 3 seconds later,
back surfing the net 1 minute later. Sure I lost a little data,
but I was surfing the net, not recompiling my kernel or printing
out my thesis - so maybe I lost a new bookmark to yet another
interesting linux site. Beats the hell out of spending 5 minutes
rebooting the machine.
--
Osugi Sakae
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or
fantasy?
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:00:36 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
John Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 22 Jun 2000 16:04:49 GMT, James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:
>
> Sure, I know all that. I'm just saying that printing does work in
> software in the general case because it is too expensive to do it in
> hardware. A printer that could print dvi files directly would be
> great, but it's a lot cheaper to run in through Tex, Ghostscript and
> out to a PCL5 printer in the general case.
>
You process dvi files with TeX and Ghostscript? What are you talking about.
The TeX is used to process the Tex source files into dvi files. The dvi
files are translated by dvi drivers into whatever format is best for them.
xdvi can also be used to view the contents of dvi files. Ghostscript knows
nothing about dvi's. If you target output device is a PCL printer then you
should use a dvi driver to translate the dvi file into a pcl file or the pcl
data can be piped to lpr for printing. The only reason to use Ghostscript
into this equations is if you require some of the special features of the
dvi to PostScript driver. That driver will generate the PS output and then
ghostscript will generate the PCL file. Your description is all twisted
around.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: High School is out...here come the trolls...who can't accept the future.
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:38:28 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Leonardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8jatag$aed$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Look at
> http://websnapshot.mycomputer.com/systemos.html
> or
> http://www.netcraft.com/
> or any other site that analysis net traffic and you'll get 0.3% for Linux.
>
> Is it so hard to believe?
>
Without knowing details on the source and the bias of their data the
statistics of websnapshot is meaningless.
> --L
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8iuo54$nee$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Here are some more data from the same source:
> >
> >
> > Percent of information technology managers using or planning to use
Linux
> > as a server based operating system.
> >
> > Current: %
> > Currently Use 24%
> > Plan to Use Within 12 Months 48%
> > No Plans 24%
> > Don't Know 4%
> >
> >
> >
> > Percent of information technology managers replacing or planning to
> replace
> > their operating system with Linux, by operating system.
> >
> > Current: %
> > Windows NT 50%
> > Windows 95 24%
> > Unix Servers 22%
> > Unix Desktops 18%
> > Windows 98 16%
> > Novell NetWare 14%
> > Macintosh 6%
> > Apache 2%
> > Other 26%
> >
> >
> >
> > From the "I don't know if I show laugh or cry or just be shocked
> department"
> >
> > I figured I would make a browser counter vote for Mosaic on Linux over
at
> > the Microsoft website, while there I found this: Microsoft Freedom to
> > Innovate Network
> >
> > -----cut line ------
> > About the Freedom to Innovate Network
> >
> > We formed the Freedom to Innovate Network (FIN) as a response to the
> > overwhelming amount of correspondence we received from around the U.S.
and
> > overseas regarding the trial with the Department of Justice and other
> public
> > policy issues. The FIN is a non-partisan, grassroots network of citizens
> and
> > businesses who have a stake in the success of Microsoft and the
high-tech
> > industry. The FIN will help you stay up to date on critical developments
> in
> > public policy. Sign up for a free e-newsletter, tell us your thoughts,
> take
> > action and stay informed. It's how you can make a difference!
> >
> > How to contact FIN:
> >
> > Microsoft Freedom to Innovate Network
> > 16625 Redmond Way
> > Ste, M-447
> > Redmond, WA
> > 98052-9724
> >
> > email at
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/freedomtoinnovate/default.htm
> >
> > -----cut line ------
> >
> >
> > There was a whole tree of webpages for this non-partisian grass roots
> > organization, who do they think they are fooling and who do they think
> would
> > be stupid enough to join? I know there is supposed to be one born every
> > minute--But really!
> >
> > This reminds me of a few years ago there was a movement to raise the
> tobaco
> > tax so the industry fought it by forming a "grass roots" organizations
> call
> > "Citizens Againts Unfrair Taxation" to serve as their shill.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about.
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:42:56 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
You are using LaTeX as a text editor?!?
WhyteWolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8iluei$me$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> >On 18 Jun 2000 11:42:40 GMT, WhyteWolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Colin R. Day wrote:
>
> [sniped my mistake about vim]
>
> >>
> >
> >The command to quit without writing is quit!, not !quit. !quit runs
> >the shell command "quit".[*]
> >
> >* I know that the "!" command is meant to pipe text to a command
> >and replace the text with the output of the command, but when you
> >don't have any text selected and you don't give any line numbers,
> >most VI implementations will run the command with the standard
> >input and output connected to the terminal.
>
> sorry ... thats right ... it's just been forever sence
> I used vi ... with things like Emacs, pico, LaTeX,
> nano, jed, Joe, NEdit... Etc. Etc. Etc. I havn't had
> the want till recently {emacs isn't installed on this system
> and I needed something with syntax highlighting}
>
>
> --
> -=-=-=-=-
> Are you mentally here at Pizza Hut??
> -=-=-=-=-
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action
Date: 29 Jun 2000 02:16:32 GMT
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:55:39 -0300, Brian Scheetz wrote:
>
>
>> The funny thing is, when those greedy rightists realise the economic
>> impact of allowing "free movement of people", they'll be the ones howling
>> the loudest.
>About what?
About the economic impact of this course of action. Economies only grow
so fast, and you need to at least match population growth with economic
growth or there is a net decline in living standards.
What do you think would happen to the economy if 1 billion or so people
showed up on the doorstep tomorrow ? For a start, you wouldn't even be able
to house them all, let alone find gainful employment for them. As for those
currently unemployed, well they could kiss their chances goodbye, because
the tide would push unemployment through the roof.
You can't just admit globs of people all at once, you know. It takes time
and money to build up the infrastructure, both physical and economic to
deal with these extra people.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Subject: Steve/Mike/Simon/.. Is "Tim Palmer" And "S" -was- CommyLinux vs Microsoft
(was: Re: Windows98)
Date: 29 Jun 2000 02:15:42 GMT
"S" was Steve/Mike/... Certain points of content, as well
as headers, prove this. I'm not going to post the proof,
because I don't want to make it any easier for Steve/Mike
to do his anti-Linux spamming job, which involves making it
seem that lots of people are unhappy with Linux, when it's
only him.
"Tim Palmer" is a fake identity, which didn't exist until
June 1 2000, but has spammed about 2,000 anti-Linux posts
into c.o.l.a in this single month. That's several times
the volume of previous heavy anti-Linux spammers like
"Chad Mulligan" and Stephen Edwards. This has to be full-
time employment.
The content of the "Tim Palmer" post below is pure "S".
Another one has material that is unique to Steve/Mike, and
many more repeat his standard lies. Some header info also
ties these posts to Steve/Mike.
There is also absolute proof that the mangled "Palmer"
spelling is fake, i.e., intentional.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:56:09 GMT, Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On 27 Jun 2000 06:13:30 GMT, Darren Winsper
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:57:10 -0500, Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> Tim Palmer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > So how is the proletrareit doing you STOOPID COMMY!
>>>>
>>>> This guy has got to be a joke. I hope so, because someone this
>>>> fucking stupid is almost not even imaginable.
>>>
>>>My guess is that "Tim Palmer" is S The Next Generation.
>>
>>Can't be ... he's got to be faking it. "S" is genuine (a genuine idiot)
>>
>>--
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>http://www.iww.org
>
>And you work for the Commy IWW. You genuin COMMYLINUX
>BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Why run CommyLie-nux when you can run Cappittalist
>Microsoft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How fast is your text?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:39:35 GMT
"Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>What kind of non-sense test is this ? Given a minimun text
>throughtput, whichever amount above that will be superfluous.
>Anyway, Microsoft does not encourage console applications
>too much ... and yes, DOS Box on NT or Windows 2000 is
>pathetic, but except for console tetris, what do you want the
>text to be so fast for ?
It's useful for printf-debugging. Sometimes you just have to put a printf
in the innermost loop of a program that crashes only 15 minutes into a
run, and saving the stuff to a file (even when you make sure there is
no nasty buffering) is just not practical.
But on a nice, real linux text console, you can let several gigabytes
of text fly by in (comparatively) short time, and end up with the last
output before the crash on your screen.
The reason is that linux generally doesn't actually move *any* data around
when scrolling, but instead simply manipulates the start-of-video-memory
registers (of course, every now and again, one screenful has to be copied
to get that pointer back to the start of video mem). I am pretty sure that
the Win2000 console wouldn't do this....
Bernie
P.S.: 65536 lines of 16 chars each take about 10 seconds on my P150,
3.6 seconds on a Celeron@460
--
Gentleman, I am a Catholic... If you reject me on account of my
religion, I shall thank God that He has spared me the indignity of
being your representative
Hilaire Belloc
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From: "Ermine Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VB suck and Java rules (was: Re: Is Java 'larger' than VB ?)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:42:27 -0700
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
And likewise available for Windows ... note that IIS was dinged for not
having a "native" log viewing capability; obviously they missed that you CAN
open local files in the management browser so they obviously must have had
something else in mind.
--ET--
"Leslie Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8jd663$ept$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Bob Hauck <hauck[at]codem{dot}com> wrote:
>
> >>> > http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2556513,00.html
> >
> >>> - They also say that Solaris can't "view server logs with base
product,"
> >>> Uh, what? I can sure log into a Solaris server and use any tool I
want
> >>> to view the logs. Solaris is part of the "base product."
> >>
> >>This may be a silly question, but aren't the server logs text files?
> >>If so, couldn't one view them in any editor (or even less)?
> >
> >Of course, but if you have adopted the Windows Approach (tm) you must
> >have a special tool for every purpose. Using a general-purpose thing
> >like an editor is Just Not Done.
>
> "tail -f" is the proper tool to view a growing logfile, perhaps
> piped through grep if you only want to see certain items out
> of the many-per-second stream. Analog is a good tool for
> summarizing the logs. It isn't part of the base product in
> the usual sense, but with free products - they are all included
> for the same price.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Brian Scheetz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:45:15 -0300
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:55:39 -0300, Brian Scheetz wrote:
> >
> >
> >> The funny thing is, when those greedy rightists realise the economic
> >> impact of allowing "free movement of people", they'll be the ones
howling
> >> the loudest.
>
> >About what?
>
> About the economic impact of this course of action. Economies only grow
> so fast, and you need to at least match population growth with economic
> growth or there is a net decline in living standards.
>
> What do you think would happen to the economy if 1 billion or so people
> showed up on the doorstep tomorrow ? For a start, you wouldn't even be
able
> to house them all, let alone find gainful employment for them. As for
those
> currently unemployed, well they could kiss their chances goodbye, because
> the tide would push unemployment through the roof.
>
> You can't just admit globs of people all at once, you know. It takes time
> and money to build up the infrastructure, both physical and economic to
> deal with these extra people.
Are those 1 billion people going to fit on a single plane? Or will some of
them go standby?
A billion people don't just get up and move. An event of that kind would
take time.
And if the movement of the first, say, 40 million started to lower living
standards, or created some sort of housing or employment crisis a la your
premonitions, are the other 960 million going to follow them just because
they're stupid, or because they want to be mean?
Effectively, on the North American continent, we pretty much have the free
movement of people already - de facto, if not de jure. Not every Mexican
has chosen to move. Why do you think every Chinese person would?
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