Linux-Advocacy Digest #387, Volume #33 Thu, 5 Apr 01 10:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Java (was Re: 696 Native MacOSX Apps So Far -) (pip)
Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (phil hunt)
Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Nico
Kadel-Garcia)
Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:25:27 -0400
Roger Perkins wrote:
>
> No, Max, it's because he's just a punk. Killfile him and move on. He isn't
> worth your brain cells.
Translation: Wogew's bwain ceww's faiwed, youws might, too.
>
> Roger "I vus just volovik ORDERS!" Perkins
> CHAIRBORNE!
>
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 04 Apr 2001
> > >Roger Perkins wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Rogerto, most people don't even know what the International is, much
> less
> > > ^^^^^^^
> > >
> > >You're losing it, Roger...REALLY REALLY fucking losing it.
> >
> > If you have to shout, Aaron, it must be because you're lying.
> >
> > --
> > T. Max Devlin
> > *** The best way to convince another is
> > to state your case moderately and
> > accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:27:54 -0400
Roy Culley wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Roy Culley wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) writes:
> >> > On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:39:37 +1200, Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >> >>Correct! the book written about her was quite enlightening/
> >> >>
> >> >>Matthew Gardiner
> >> >>
> >> >>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Karel Jansens
> >> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >>> wrote
> >> >>> on Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:26:32 +0000
> >> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> >>> >Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> One person I would really hate to see in charge of the US is Steve Jobs.
> >> >>> >> Could you imagine the havoc that would be unlessed! some finds out a
> >> >>> >> secret, and Steve (who is renound for is "quick to fire" response, esp.
> >> >>> >> the case of the ATI Randeon debarkle) would nuke the person. Personally,
> >> >>> >> I would like to see Magarate Thature in charge of the US, balls of
> >> >>> >> steel, ruling with an iron fist.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >
> >> > I hate to tell you this, but Margaret Thatcher doesn't have any balls. You
> >> > know what balls are, don't you?
> >>
> >> Grief, it's a figure of speech. Anyway, I saw her on TV pissing in a
> >> urinal. If she's got a willy then I presume she has balls as well.
> >> Oops, that was spitting image wasn't it? :-)
> >
> > Was that a Benny Hill one?
>
> Me thinks not. Not that I didn't like Benny Hill but he wasn't in the
> same league as spitting image.
>
> Another Thatcher one from spitting image is when she is in a restaurant
> with her cabinet. She orders a steak. The waiter asks what about vegetables?
> She says, they'll eat the same as me. :-)
I'll have to use that the next time I'm at a restaurant...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:28:36 -0400
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> > I would like to go on record that Dame Margaret Thatcher definitely has
> > the biggest set of balls any non ball-bearing person has ever flaunted.
> > "Balls of steel" doesn't quite cut the mustard, think neutronium.
>
> I'll agree to that wholeheartedly.
> Were she to immigrate and declare her candidacy, I'd vote for her in a
> heartbeat.
Unfortunately, she doesn't qualify as a natural born citizen as
required in the Constitution.
>
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Karel Jansens
> > ==============================================================
> > "You're the weakest link. Goodb-No, wait! Stop! Noaaarrghh!!!"
> > ==============================================================
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:29:32 -0400
Paolo Ciambotti wrote:
>
> In article <Loyy6.680$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tom Wilson"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >>
> >> I would like to go on record that Dame Margaret Thatcher definitely has
> >> the biggest set of balls any non ball-bearing person has ever flaunted.
> >> "Balls of steel" doesn't quite cut the mustard, think neutronium.
> >
> > I'll agree to that wholeheartedly. Were she to immigrate and declare her
> > candidacy, I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.
> >
>
> I just got this mental picture of a naked George Bush Jr. on all fours
> with a dog collar around his neck, and a black-leather-clad Maggie holding
where, exactly...did you get this image, Paolo.
> the leash, with a spike heel in his back and waving a cat'o'nine-tails in
> her free hand. No question whose got the bigger balls, or my vote.
>
> Need....more....beer.
I think you need more than that.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Java (was Re: 696 Native MacOSX Apps So Far -)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:30:04 +0100
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> I was just wondering. Say if I were to totally write the application in
> java, then I decide to instead of having the write once, run everywhere. Is
> it possible to compile the program natively for that OS.
Probably yes. For win32 there are various pre compilers and I think that
there are a few projects for Linux (such as the Gnu compiler java
extensions).
>The reason why I
> ask it that java is not api dependent, which would then allow projects to be
> written in Java, then all that would be needed is a recompile on what ever
> achitecture you want to distribute for.
Yes - not OS API dependent. To compile or not to compile is the age old
question of code purity and portability. I for one would prefer to rely
on JIT compilers at run-time rather than removing one of Java's largest
advantages. You can treat Java as a language and not as a "platform",
however it is up to you to decide if say C++ would be better suited
combined with a GUI such as QT and some form of network API
cross-platform libs. Quite frankly, IMHO Java is still easier assuming
that it can support what you want to do. In the future I see no reason
why JIT's could not perform code optimisations that are better than C++
pre-compiled code - given that a JIT can use run-time information to
improve performance (don't flame me). Of course until someone gets some
real benchmarks my talk is just hot air (and GUI is a REAL big problem
in this dept). As us programmers are a pragmatic bunch, I like to see
that people use many languages and choose the one best suited to the
task, and I think that Java has many merits for the normal user-level
programmer.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux?
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:33:27 -0400
Andy Walker wrote:
>
> mlw wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Yes, I know about "configure" and "make," but for binary distribution, is
> there
> >an open source installer? One, gasp, which is pretty and programmable, will
> >switch to root to perform the install? If so I haven't seen it.
> >
> >While I think Install Shield is a miserable hack, and anyone that has used
> it
> >will fundamentally agree, it gets the job done.
> >
> >So, if one were to write such a program, should it be able to handle RetHat
> and
> >Debian packages? Or would it be OK to simply use its own format? Self
> >extracting is a must.
> >
> >Anyone have any ideas?
> >
> >
> >--
> >I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
> >------------------------
> >http://www.mohawksoft.com
>
> I've had this discussion before and came to the conclusion that most Linux
> users are masocists.
> In my experiences, the RedHat package manager is a pile of crap, nearly
> everything I try to install on it fails due to dependancies and I've never
> had much luck compiling code from tar files either.
> People say Debian is better but I've no experience of it (though I would
> bet money that it's not as easy as people say)!
> I think what is needed is a standard installer interface that installs all
> RPM's, Debian packages, tar, gzip, binaries and source code across the
> board, with the intention of, ultimately, a common type of package.
> On my old Amiga, Commodore created a simple script installer to standardise
> the install interface across the board. While not being the greatest program
> in the universe, it did solve the problem and I'm amazed that Linux has
> something so clumsy as the RedHat package manager. Most times I've
> successfully installed a RPM it hasn't left me with a single clue as to
> where it is installed, let alone how the hell you start the application! No
rpm --list
$ man rpm for the details.
Hope that helps.
> doubt someone will harp on about man pages etc but as far as I'm concerned,
> If you have to use help pages, there is something fundamentally wrong with
> the interface. I've never needed to resort to manuals to install Amiga or
> Windows software, surely clicking on a install icon shouldn't need it!
> I doubt you will get much constructive criticism in this newsgroup, as
> there are a lot of people here who get kicks out of running down newbies,
> but to get more people to use Linux you need to make it easier to do the
> more basic tasks so you don't get disheartened within five minutes and give
> up. It takes time to learn how to use Linux and that is one thing most
> intelligent people have very little of!
Quit whining.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:22:17 +0100
On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 04:08:20 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said phil hunt in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:50:04
>+0100;
>>On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:09:36 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Said Donovan Rebbechi in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 3 Apr 2001 05:30:48
>>>GMT;
>>>>On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 02:41:13 GMT, Isaac wrote:
>>>>>On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 22:28:43 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>Said Isaac in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:17:48 GMT;
>>>>>It wouldn't take luck. It would simply be a matter of properly
>>>>>implementing an api already intended to accept future plug-ins. It's
>>>>>not magic, it's science you simply don't understand.
>>>>
>>>>Which is hardly surprising -- Max doesn't do (or even know very much about)
>>>>software development: he merely holds very strong opinions about it, as
>>>>well as a completely unjustified delusion of superiority.
>>>
>>>Guffaw.
>>
>>Perhaps you'd like to inform us of what (preferably open source, so we
>>can look at it) projects you've worked on.
>
>I'm not working on any "projects", and never have; I am not a
>professional programmer. So that proves what exactly?
If someone has never written code, their opinions on the subject are
liable to be taken less seriously than someone who has written a lot of
code. That's because people learn from experience; no experience, little
learning.
--
*****[ Phil Hunt ***** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]*****
"Mommy, make the nasty penguin go away." -- Jim Allchin, MS head
of OS development, regarding open source software (paraphrased).
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux?
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:33:53 -0400
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:31:56 -0000, Andy Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >I've had this discussion before and came to the conclusion that most Linux
> >users are masocists.
> >
>
> No...it's not painful to them.
>
> >
> > [-SNIP-]
> >....................................................... Most times I've
> >successfully installed a RPM it hasn't left me with a single clue as to
> >where it is installed,
>
> OK...tell me the last thing you installed on Windows with InstallShield
> (you know InstallShield...the thing you want to emulate for Linux). Now
> tell me where InstallShield put all the *dll, *.exe, *.inf files for that
> application.
>
> > I doubt you will get much constructive criticism in this newsgroup, as
> >
>
> Here is some constructive criticism for you. There are many parts of your
> suggestion/request that are just plain bad ideas. There are GUI interfaces
> for RPM and there is room for improvement in this area, sure. But you
> can certainly get a lot more information out of rpm and *.rpm files than
> you can out of ANY installshield install package.
rpm --list gives him the information he wants to know.
>
> >there are a lot of people here who get kicks out of running down newbies,
>
> So telling you your idea is bad is running you down. Sorry.
>
> >It takes time to learn how to use Linux and that is one thing most
> >intelligent people have very little of!
> >
>
> So how much time have you spent rebooting your Windows machine after installing
> a new program with InstallShield on Windows?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Nico Kadel-Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:37:11 GMT
Markus Friedl wrote:
> In <NJTl6.7512$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Chad Myers"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >I've already listed the exploits. They may have been patched, but how
> >many systems out there are patched? If SSH is so great, why then does
> >it have so many vulnerabilities?
>
> 1) it does not have "many vulnerabilities"
> 2) why should we care about vulnerabilities that have been fixed
> more than 2 years ago?
>
> >Why is SSH1 considered "fundamentally flawed" by its own makers?
>
> Perhaps because they want to sell SSH2?
Because it contained RSA, which was patented, and because it had been widely published
as freeware and
supported in the older SSH1 implementation. We have them doing "Fear, Uncertainty, and
Doubt" on the
older implementation to sell the new one, which is basically a pretty suckful product.
(Whose bright
idea was an "sftp" client that can't do wildcard
expansion or use "mput" or "mget"?)
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux?
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:35:44 -0400
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Everett"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> > > So how much time have you spent rebooting your Windows machine after
> > > installing a new program with InstallShield on Windows?
> >
> > Or even worse, how much time have you spent trying to uninstall a program
> > that InstallShield installed? I uninstalled one of these kludges today,
> > and the uninstaller put the application icon back on my desktop (I'd
> > deleted it earlier), refused to remove empty directories, and left a dozen
> > or so entries in the registry. And then it had the gall to give me a
> > "successfully uninstalled" popup. InstallShield is precisely why
> > companies buy Norton WinDoctor for their tech support.
> >
> > RPM has its faults, but InstallShield is not something to be emulated.
>
> Have you looked at what those settings are, what those folders are, etc?
> Here's an all-too-frequent scenario:
>
> Install App1, which creates folder \test\A and registry key \test\A
> Install App2, which creates folder \test\B and registry key \test\B
>
> So far so good, but now what happens when you uninstall? Depends. Lets'
> assume you do those in the same order: uninstall App1, then App2. You get
> folder \test left behind, and reg key \test left behind. Why? Simple:
>
> InstallShield records what it creates. When you installed App2, \test
> already existed as a folder and a key, so App2's installer did _not_ create
> it. It also won't remove it; it quite sensibly takes the position that if
> it didn't create it, it has no business removing it.
>
> So why didn't App1's uninstal remove it? Well, when App1 was uninstalled,
> the \test key and the \test folder still had contents that were not
> installed by App1, so it takes the position that it probably shouldn't
> remove it.
>
> Now maybe _you_ happen to know that removing that folder or that key is
> safe; InstallShield, however, doesn't, so it plays it safe. Some of us
> think that given the choice between a strategy that leaves a little dross
> behind and a strategy which doesn't put our machines at risk, the latter is
> the better choice.
Translation: InstallShield is a bug-infested piece of shit.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list by posting to comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Advocacy Digest
******************************
