Linux-Advocacy Digest #761, Volume #27 Tue, 18 Jul 00 19:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Drestin Black")
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Drestin Black")
Re: Trauma 98-00 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious.... ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("John W. Stevens")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Colin R. Day")
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious.... ("Drestin Black")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it (sandrews)
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Reiserfs (was: Some Windows weirdnesses...) (mlw)
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it (sandrews)
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 18 Jul 2000 17:26:02 -0500
"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 17 Jul 2000 19:38:08 -0500,
> Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >unreliability and poor cost/performance? You couldn't be more wrong and
if
> >you'd quit living in 3.51 days you'd know this. When is the last time
anyone
> >not a linux zealot ever saw a blue screen? I can't remember. It's been
over
> >a year I think. Crashes? That's what W98 is for, and even the beta of
> >Windows ME is as stable as most would want.
>
> Really?? According to this Microsoft promoted study:
> http://www.nstl.com/html/windows_2000_reliability.html Win2K is only
> 13 times more reliable that win98, with an average of 2893 hours of
> use per crash. And this is in a strictly controlled environment, i.e.,
> common desktop apps, with regular reboots. A more intersting test
> would be continous use in a multiuser software development
> environment, where the behavior of undebugged apps can't be predicted.
Crap: regular reboots? None. muliple users at multiple sites, not a
controlled environment. This was NOT a test where they put a machien in a
box and let it run until it crashed. If that were so it would still be up
and running. In fact, during the roll out the test boxes had not even
crashed yet and continued for months past that in REAL use by real people
running real apps, not sitting in a closet running a router and firewall
software, whoopee. This was NOT a controlled closed environment.
>
>
> >W2K is as stable as any *nix you
> >could name.
>
> Well 2893 hours =~ 4 months. I couldn't imagine IRIX, Solaris, and
> even Linux crashing every four months. Even a properly configured
> Linux machine will crash far less than once per year, in my
> experience. And that inlcudes extensive application software
> development use as well. Face it Dristan, W2K is still not as stable
> as UNIX.
There are vendors selling W2K solutions with 99.999% uptime - just like the
other *nix vendors. Some right alongside with their *nix solutions. W2K is
every bit as reliable when used in the same fashion. Wanna stick a W2K box
acting as a NAT and a linux box acting in a NAT in a closed room - I'll bet
you both will be running forever...
oh, actually USE the box by real users with real apps in the real worlds...
the benchmark really begins... face it pippy - you are living in denial
>
> >SP1 is coming out in the next week and it addresses a handful of
> >issues, most esoteric and minor and just add to the 5 9's of reliability
W2K
> >is already able to deliver. 64,000 bugs? even 19,000 bugs? ha! not even 4
> >digits... and this from a 40 million line OS version .0 --
>
> Yeah but their not fixing this bug:
> http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q195/8/57.ASP
errrrrrrr! You don't have your copy of SP1 yet do you... fixed.
(god I love being right)
>
> As you can see in the above URL, an error in application programming
> is causing the OS to crash, and Microsoft is saying the solution is to
> fix the application. No news at all about designing the OS to protect
> itself from the application. Now sure, no decent commercial software
> is going to forget to close handles.
do you have ANY clue just how many registry keys you would have to open and
leave open before this happens. We're talking a HUGE nasty runaway program
that the person running it wasn't watching. I mean, it's millions here... I
tried to trigger it so I could get a number and stopped just past 1 million.
Yep, it was FRIGGIN' slow to close the app (felt like it had crashed) but,
nope, no blue screen here...
Gee, a bug, you found a bug. Wow, amazing! And they've fixed it in their
very first service pack. Your complaint?
>But in a software development
> envoronment mistakes just like that are going to happen....and W2K is
> gonna crash. So while Linux developers are typing 'gdb -c core'
> windows developers are hitting the reset button, hoping their work
> wasn't lost. No wonder MS programmers stick with crutch languages like
> VB.
arf arf
>
> >can you even find
> >a single comprehensive list of all the bugs and "issues" in the linux
> >kernel?
>
> Bugs in the Linux kernel are fixed as they are found, with as many
> patchlevel releases as needed, so it never builds up such a huge
> list. And you can find out the current state of Linux development at
> any time by reading the kernel mailing list:
> http://kernelnotes.org/lnxlists/linux-kernel/
> You can also get the entire kernel source code if you want. You can
> also get involved and send in patches if you want. Can you do any of
> this with W2K?
why on earth would I want to? I wouldnt' presume to be an elite a programmer
to be able to debug and fix entire kernels or an OS the size of W2K. I leave
that to teams of professionals with hundreds of testers and millions in
resources.
And, if they are fixed as they are found, how does one person know when
another is working on a problem? What if two fixes are made for the same
problem? What if one of the fixes, breaks something that was fixed by a
different person working seperately without knowledge of the first person?
no thanks...
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 18 Jul 2000 17:30:19 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Drestin Black wrote:
> >
> > You are just a little too hyper to play with...
> >
> > remember, it's just an OS, it's just an OS...
> >
> > (oh, and just because you were once upon a time (gee, but not anymore,
> > wonder why they don't want you anymore?) one of how many thousands of
random
> > gm employees doesn't mean you speak for GM nor does your word carry GMs
> > weight behind it.)
>
> a. I've been there, you haven't.
I've been to the Ford headquarters in Dearborn, even toured the garden
upstairs. Spent time at the farms in GP with family, my best friend was
married there.
Wrote and Sold FMEA and control plan creation and storage software that Ford
standardized on and GM uses, perhaps to this day. The HQ? yawn... Now the
new Chrysler tech center is cool. Been to their "glass" room? I'm sure you
haven't.
> b. I continue to communicate with others within the company, including
> at corporate headquarters in downtown Detroit.
and I still get recall notices on my Thunderbird... so?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trauma 98-00
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:29:25 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Try Win98SE, the fonts look great and it does all
Lose98 Spork Edition.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:40:34 +1000
"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:13:02 +1000,
> Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> From http://www.fys.ruu.nl/~bergmann/history.html
> >>
> >> "BASIC (standing for Beginner's All Purpose Symbolic Instruction
> >> Code)...the designers wished it to be a stepping-stone for students to
> >> learn on of the more powerful languages..."
> >>
> >> 'nuff said.
> >
> >And this stops it being useful.........how ?
> >
>
> Huh?? You really are a terrible reader. My quote of the article
> clearly indicates what BASIC was intended to be useful for: training
> beginners how to program.
And this stops it being useful.........how ?
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From: "John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:35:16 -0600
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> But it isn't the app that is supposed to know; it is the user, and they
> know, because its what they're working on.
Precisely. . . the user informs the operating system that the app is
important by using it.
> All right, so I've been overstating the case. But when somebody says
> that something which has been successful in the market does something
> "wrong", I can't help but notice that they have to be making
> assumptions.
Yep. The typical assumption, is in assigning to much weight to a single
attribute of the system. While CMT was the "wrong thing" from an
engineering stand point, it was the right thing when *ALL* of the
relevant factors (market share, market share protection, engineering
change cost, etc.) are taken into account.
'Course, CMT stopped being the "right" decision for any system about 4
and 1/2 years ago . . .
> The fact is, it *did* make sense at the time, and changing
> to PMT on the Mac would still not make a lot of sense.
It did make sense then, but changing to PMT on the Mac *DOES* make sense
now. User expectations have risen, and the technological gap has grown
large enough to allow for the creation of "boxed" operating systems ala
the Virtual Machine Design Pattern, which allows for a low cost
transition from one technological level to a higher one.
> You don't *run*
> nightly 2 am maintenance scripts on a Mac,
Yes . . . but is this because to do so was difficult, or because you
didn't *need* to run such scripts? Answer: the former. With no builtin
support, or even a philosophy for reusable objects, the Mac was/is a
difficult box to write scripts for, but the mere existence of back up
*programs* (not: scripts, mind you) for Mac file servers indicates the
need to run maintenance processes on the Mac, while simultaneously
illustrating the higher cost, as well as repeating a well known
Anti-Pattern.
> and if you did, you probably
> wouldn't be around to notice either way.
Certainly CMT is not going to be a real show stopper when it comes to
running a *SINGLE* maintenance task, but in those cases where a
maintenance task is best described to the system as a set of interacting
tasks (such as backing up a disk partition to a CDR), CMT falls down on
the job again, due to the lack of centralized, authoritative control.
> Which may, indeed, be the exact *opposite*, again, of what is called for
> on a desktop client system.
Why?
> If I have twelve apps waiting for user
> input, it is because I want them to wait.
Right . . .
> I don't want them to slow
> things down by increasing their priority;
Whoops . . . you were doing well, then you fell off on a curve.
"Accumulating priority" does not mean that those tasks will slow
anything down.
Since, in fact, they are not running, they *CANNOT* slow anything down.
> The software I'm interacting with has absolute priority, at all times,
> as far as I am concerned.
Certainly. But . . . if the software you are interacting with is a
composite of six tasks, *WHICH* particular task should get the cycles?
> Anything else is bad design for a desktop
> system.
Not neccesarily. It depends on the design criteria of the system. If
occasionally being a bit sluggish in response to user input allows for
better total system throughput, such a design may not be bad at all, in
fact, it may be quite good.
> Not a show-stopper, necessarily, and of course it doesn't have *as much*
> importance on a modern super-desktop, and probably even less when you're
> dealing with a desktop/host. But I still think it is important, and
> would like to see the issue more directly addressed in practical ways,
> rather than theoretical ones.
:-)
Well, actually, such issues *HAVE* been addressed in practical ways.
There are a number of scheduling policy tweaks that can and have been
made precisely to address these issues.
>
> Let me close with yet another mea culpa. Because of my own experience
> and inclinations, I have been arguing from the perspective of Windows
> PMT, not Linux's.
Neither is ideal: Windows 9X is crippled by far to much backwards
compatibility, Linux is still maturing in this regard.
> I have noticed that the situation is not entirely
> alien to a Unix desktop (Solaris and HP, anyway), but it certainly isn't
> anywhere near as bad.
Most "sluggish response" situations on HPUX are due precisely to the
administrator choosing them. Want better interactive response? Retune
your system.
--
If I spoke for HP --- there probably wouldn't BE an HP!
John Stevens
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:45:19 -0400
ZnU wrote:
>
> Linux? The OS that compsci graduates have trouble with?
>
What? You're kidding, right?
Colin Day
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Date: 18 Jul 2000 17:47:34 -0500
"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> From http://www.fys.ruu.nl/~bergmann/history.html
>
> "BASIC (standing for Beginner's All Purpose Symbolic Instruction
> Code)...the designers wished it to be a stepping-stone for students to
> learn on of the more powerful languages..."
>
> 'nuff said.
they "wished it to be" - alas, it has grown into a far more powerful
langauge than any of the original designers could have ever hoped for.
Glad to see that your simply criteria for a good langauge is based on it's
name and original purpose dozens of years ago. Ignoring the evolution of the
product... maybe we should do what borland did, change the name from turbo
pascal to delphi and call it "new and improved" and people will convienently
forget it's the same old thing...
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 18 Jul 2000 17:49:32 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8l0q4d$gub$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> >oh, grow up and get a life child. You couldn't possibly know how
> >> >much code I've done and copyrighted in my life. Yep, as in
> >> >registered at the copyright office, not just a little (C) in some
> >> >remarks somewhere.
> >>
> >> Then how come searching for "Drestin" at locis.loc.gov (that's a telnet
> >> address) does not reveal a single entry with your name on it?
>
> >because smarty, the copyright isn't under the name "Drestin" - sheesh...
>
> Sheesh --- so what name *is* it under? I mean, if you are willing to
> register your stuff with the copyright registrar, you surely aren't
> ashamed to own up to it, are you?
perhaps I wish to remain anonymous - given the types that occupy COLA and
troll COMNA would this suprise you?
>
> Bernie
>
> P.S.: And PLEASE get a newsreader that manages to do decent quoting. These
> extra linebreaks in quoted stuff are really annoying.
>
interesting - I have absolutely no problem whatsoever reading or replying to
ANYONE's posts without any extra line breaks at all. Perhaps your newsreader
sucks.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:48:21 -0400
From: sandrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > so tell us, specifically, why servers running Windows could not do what
> the
> > > servers running linux @ Google do? Forget needing 6000 boxes. Why would
> the
> > > OS be a limitation? Impress us by showing ANY technical knowledge
> > > whatsoever!
> >
> > Someone sounds grumpy because Microsoft was caught cheating on their
> > Windows 2000 launch TPC-C score. :>
>
> caught cheating? Hahahaha - that's a twisted way of putting it. Not
> cheating, but an error. and the results were pulled and no one bitched. MS
> simply fixed the error in their *beta* SQL server and are as we speak
> retesting with Compaq. Meanwhile MS and IBM (who had to fix the iDENTICAL
> problem in their db2 software (no doubt planning on "cheating too")) turned
> around and delivered a TPC-C score twice as high as the compaq scores - four
> times better than the next *nix score at half the price!
>
> >
> > (not that such meters are important, mind you)
>
> oh but they do - as they did to the unix weenies before they lost and lost
> huge - now they feign lack of interest... hahahaahah
If you knew anthing about RDBMs you would know the os makes no
difference on
the outcome, THe RDBM doesn`t really use the os.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 18 Jul 2000 17:53:09 -0500
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8l10dm$5q4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <JYNc5.21905$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Yes... and I think VB is closer to universal than C++ or Perl which
> most
> > "good" programmers could figure out. I mean, "IF this THEN that ELSE
> > theotherthing kinda stuff is what VB proudly touts, no semicolons, and
> > brackets all over the place. Just write the code and get the job done.
> I
> > like that...
>
> What about
>
> IF x THEN
> IF y THEN
> ELSE
> ENDIF
> ELSE
> ENDIF
>
> Does VB cope with nested IF THEN ELSE? How does it know which IF the
> ELSE applies to? Is it terminated by the ENDIF?
of course. What you wrote is perfectly valid. I think it's pefectly obvious
which ELSE belongs to which IF and which ENDIF terminates which IF. It reads
easier:
IF x THEN
IF y THEN
do something
ELSE
another choice
END IF
ELSE
completely different choice
END IF
(I used tabs above, I hope OE formats it right)
The IFs, ELSE's and ENDIF's are pushed and popped off a stack.
>
> > VB better than C++? In sheer power and what they can do, C++ wins
> pretty
> > much hands down. In ease of use, I feel VB wins over all you listed.
> Java is
> > good but I think more hype than real innovation there. (by the way: I
> do not
> > like C# either). I would rather code in Delphi than Java. I am not a
> big fan
> > of perl but I can't see what perl does, better, faster, easier than
> VB?
>
> VB is certainly easier to write GUI's in than C++, at least Visual C++.
> But somethings the reverse is true - you wouldn't write a device driver
> in VB, or an OS.
I don't actually know this or not: Is it true, 100%, you cannot write a
device driver in VB? I mean, perhaps there are many reasons why you'd not
*want* to but is it necessarily true you *cannot* write a device driver in
VB?
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reiserfs (was: Some Windows weirdnesses...)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:54:12 -0400
"Rob S. Wolfram" wrote:
>
> FAT32 is to me the ultimate proof that customer satisfaction is *far*
> below marketing on MS' agenda. It is just an ugly and dirty hack to
> overcome the ever increasing cluster size, while Microsoft already had a
> far superior filesystem in the field, namely NTFS. I cannot see any
> technical reason why FAT32 was introduces i.o. implementing the already
> existing NTFS code in 9x.
>
The fact the the www.sysinternals.com guys actually have NTFS code for
Windows (DOS) means it can be done. I agree, there is no good reason why
it is not an option in Windows. Period.
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
Nepotism proves the foolishness of at least two people.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 18 Jul 2000 17:55:22 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Spud wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >
> > > abraxas wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:8kefaj$3p2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> > Rob:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I didn't read the code because I have a few questions before
> > I even
> > > > > begin to
> > > > >> > think about how to do this in windows.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You didnt read the code because you CANT read the code,
> > dresden.
> > > > >
> > > > > and again, you provide nothing but an attempt at insult. go
> > mutilate
> > > > > yourself some more...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You dont know how to read code, because you are an IT
> > professional. You
> > > > know how to hook up printers, and thats about it. Now stop trying
> > to
> > > > fool everyone and go back to changing toner.
> > > >
> > >
> > > No..he also replaces big, ORACLE databases servers on Unix with
> > > Microsoft
> > > Exchange running on LoseNT....
> > >
> > > NOT!
> >
> > "NOT" is absolutely correct. Only a complete idiot would even
> > *contemplate* replacing a database server with a messaging server.
> > Whoops, someone did contemplate it.
>
> Yes, that would be resident troll, Drestin Black, who claims to
> do exactly that.
WHAT?!!! What the HELL are you talking about. I suggested no such thing.
Withdraw your lie.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 18 Jul 2000 17:58:03 -0500
"Rob S. Wolfram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"Rob S. Wolfram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Fair enough, but frankly I already expected this would be possible.
What
> >> does interest me, is how you would handle erroneous messages and
> >> security. How would you prevend me from sending you a similar email
that
> >> would keep your line open for two days?
> >> I think the question boils down to: is PGP scriptable in Windows?
> >
> >Honestly, I do not know. I've never tried it and do not know what
functions
> >PGP for Windows exposes. Would you HAVE to use PGP specifically. You
just
> >need a digital signature to make sure it's really the right message.
>
> No, not necessarily PGP, any open PGP compliant program would do. AFAIK
> GnuPG (which I use) has not been ported to Windows. Of course I could
> also use symmetric encryption since I am sending a mail to myself (so
> the key exchange is secure ;-)), but then I would have to decrypt the
> thing first and parse it after that. With a cleartext OpenPGP signature
> the text is already parsable.
>
> >> Because with Windows you either have to telnet in (and we all know that
> >> the functionality of a Windows system is quite limited with just
CMD.EXE
> >
> >um, CMD is not exactly what I'd call limited. Honestly, there is a LOT
you
> >can do from the CLI but most people do not spend any time learning cause
> >it's slower and more complicated than from the GUI and becuase some of
the
> >tools you might require have been moved to the Resource Kit (but are
freely
> >available). I think you'd be suprised just how powerful the CLI is in
> >Windows, especially W2K.
>
> Functionality is more than just the availability of some tools. E.g.,
> AFAIK the pipes are not parallized in CMD.EXE. I could easily uncompress
> a 100MB compressed textfile, sed away unwanted text patterns and count
> the distribution of the various characters in one command line without
> even one temp file getting created. This implies that I could do this on
> a SUN E10K with 16GB internal just as well as I could do this on a 16MB
> 486SX running Linux, only the latter would take a lot longer ;-)
>
> >> >p.s., thanks for reminding me why I hate perl - YUCK!
> >>
> >> You're welcome. But... is there any [1..3]GL language that you do not
> >> hate?
> >
> >I am not a big fan of C++, Java or PERL - that leaves quite a bit... I
tend
> >to favor VB (in it's variations) becuase it's easy, fast and universally
> >understood and available. And cause I have little time to code like I
used
> >to.
>
> Many people have already argued on the "universal availability" of VB.
> You are right to notice that it's available in "all countries of the
> world", but so is Perl and so is Java. The suggestion you are trying to
> wake here is incorrect, though.
> But I have objections to VB as a language when you need to do anything
> more than build pretty screens. E.g., implement me any recursive
> algorithm without the need to invent your own stack, and we'll talk
> again.
> Then again, I know a couple of software companies that have written
> _very expensive_ applications for quite a few clients (hotels come to
> mind) using 3GL BASIC with the full spectrum of spagetti code,
> non-maintainable and non-reusable code, squeesing as many statements as
> you can in a single 255 character line etc. *YUCK*! I was orking for a
> company that sold the programming environment (Toroughbred BASIC) and
> they could not appreciate my critisism against the fact that a
> self-respecting software company does not program in 3GL BASIC....
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
> --
> Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OpenPGP key 0xD61A655D
> Anyway the :// part is an 'emoticon' representing a man with a
> strip of sticky tape across his mouth.
> -- R. Douglas
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:52:56 -0400
From: sandrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> "sandrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> > > unreliability and poor cost/performance? You couldn't be more wrong and
> if
> > > you'd quit living in 3.51 days you'd know this. When is the last time
> anyone
> > > not a linux zealot ever saw a blue screen? I can't remember. It's been
> over
> > > a year I think. Crashes? That's what W98 is for, and even the beta of
> > > Windows ME is as stable as most would want. W2K is as stable as any *nix
> you
> > > could name.
> >
> > Oh Please, Our local windos zealots running W2K and I am running RedHat
> > 6.2,
> > Care to guess who has the longest uptime?
>
> The one who hasn't turned his machine off for the longest time ?
No the one you don`t have to reboot daily (hint it`s a distribution).
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