Linux-Advocacy Digest #918, Volume #27 Mon, 24 Jul 00 18:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Drestin Black")
Re: Sun revenues up WHOPPING 42% !!! (Bob Hauck)
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Drestin Black")
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Drestin Black")
Re: Some Miserable weekend with Windows :( (Bob Hauck)
Re: Any Corel O2K Users? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it (abraxas)
Re: Linux = Yet Another Unix (alram83)
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451750 (Davie Tholen) (tinman)
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it (abraxas)
Re: The real faux paus of the U.S. military... (was Re: The Failure of the USS
Yorktown) (Woofbert)
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 24 Jul 2000 16:12:23 -0500
"abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ldh6g$2hk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > Did you lie or were you lying?
> >
>
> You're transferring, dresden. You are not a programmer, you are not
> intelligent, you are utterly worthless in every sense.
sigh...
> Except maybe as a pornographer.
>
> And again, theres nothing wrong with that. :)
Damn straight!
>
> > You are lying - you cannot do what you claim and you know it. Explorer
> > replacements? hahahaahahahahahahahah - what a complete fucking moron.
The
> > GUI is already up and running before your explorer replacement has it's
> > chance to pretend it's "not-explorer".
>
> There are many, many explorer replacements, and two of them that I can
> think of off the top of my head kill explorer entirely and do not allow
> it to return.
>
> I'll leave finding them as an assignment to the class.
no, you can't and you know you can't. Go ahead, show us one. Find me an
'explorer replacment' that will boot NT to a text command prompt - a fully
function NT OS running, just in text mode. You should me that and I'll for a
brief moment consider you are not just some hopelessly punctured sack of
protoplasm
>
> >
> > abracadabra - you've been repeatedly exposed as nothing but a pain - go
away
> > troll child.
>
> Tell me about how youre a programmer again?
easy: I can program. Unlike you who's shown us nothing but crap.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun revenues up WHOPPING 42% !!!
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:41:28 GMT
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:12:49 GMT, fungus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>D'Arcy Smith wrote:
>>
>> IE 5.5 definatly gives a stupid error message (make that a "user friendly"
>> error message - it tells you that the page cannot be found... leaves out
>> any trace of an error code). IIRC IE 5.0 introduced that "feature".
>...specifically so that HTML errors on microsoft.com didn't
>say "Apache" anywhere in the error message?
If you are reasonably clueful, you can fix that on the server side for
all clients, known and unknown.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 24 Jul 2000 16:14:32 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Drestin Black wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >
> > > Drestin Black wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, when I was one of those mere 20 people doing the O/S and
> > > > > application support for ALL of GM, I can tell you that it wasn't
> > > > > anywhere close to stressful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Boring is more like it.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, Aaron, you claim that GM has(had) a grand total of 20 people
doing
> > the
> > > > "O/S and application support for ALL of GM"?
> > >
> > > That is the size of the entire UNIX Break/Fix team for all of GM,
> > > supporint ALL flavors of Unix and ALL Unix apps.
> >
> > are you prepared to say that at this moment in time there are <=20
people in
> > ALL of General Motors handling support for ALL flavors of Unix and ALL
unix
> > apps?
>
> 1. It's EDS, not GM
> 2. That is the size of the Break / Fix team.
> (First level and 2nd level help desk)
> Application roll-out is about 5 people.
Oooo, narrowing your definitions a bit are we? Walking away from your
bald-faced lies^H^H^H^H claims eh?
So, ALL of EDS employs 20 people to solve EVERY Unix problem on EVERY Unix
workstation for all of EDS and it's clients eh? I still say: You are wrong.
>
<snip crap>
>
> > Care to put some money on this?
>
> Considering that I worked at EDS quite recently, and was in the heart of
> all these things, I *AM* an authority in this regard.
so, how much? $100? $1000? $10,000?
$100,000 says there are more than 20 people working at EDS right now to
cover every unix station and application.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 24 Jul 2000 16:16:04 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >
> > Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > [...]
> > >1. It's EDS, not GM
> > >2. That is the size of the Break / Fix team.
> > > (First level and 2nd level help desk)
> > >Application roll-out is about 5 people.
> > >
> > >Now, there are *mentors* on some sites, to assist users who are
> > >unfamiliar
> > >with all of the inticacies of UG, for example, but that has nothing to
> > >do with O/S nor Application failure, so they can be disregarded.
> > >
> > >Similarly, there are a couple of on-site techs at each facility, but
> > >they do little more than swap keyboards, mice, spaceballs, monitors,
> > >and arrange for hardware support engineers from Sun, HP, etc. when
> > >there are serious failures.
> > >
> > >> Care to put some money on this?
> > >
> > >Considering that I worked at EDS quite recently, and was in the heart
of
> > >all these things, I *AM* an authority in this regard.
> >
> > Hey, Aaron;
> >
> > I'm working with an EDS help desk now, similar to what you have
> > experience with. I'm wondering if you ever worked with HP OpenView, or
> > SunNet Manager, or any similar tools you might have used. It was always
> > mostly phone calls and telnet, no?
>
>
> Haven't worked with either. I saw HP Openview a few years ago (1995)
> when it was in 30-day demo mode on some new machines. It's ok, but
> all the info is available from pre-existing commands like netstat.
HAHAHHAHA - you didn't spend hardly any time with it at all then did you!
"netstat" - hahahaah - dude, you owe HP a huge appology. NOT to mention, do
you consider software that is used on the scale Openview is intended for to
be unchanged since 95? In this field? is this how EDS handles things?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Some Miserable weekend with Windows :(
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:18:45 GMT
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:31:44 -0600, Paul Bary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>yeah I know, I used a linux box as a nat router for awhile. I used
>pmfirewall as quite honestly, the amount of background work necessary
>for me to do it manually wasn't worth the effort
What "background work"? I set mine up and it just runs. It does not
need any tending. Running no services on the box greatly reduces the
overhead of keeping up with security updates and the like.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Any Corel O2K Users?
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:14:40 GMT
I have WPO2K for Linux at home because we use the WP suite at work.
Given these circumstances, I find it very useful. If I were to be using
MS Office at work, though, I'd probably just stick with StarOffice. The
extra $150(US) you'd spend on WP probably won't buy you any more
compatibility with MSFT than you'll have with StarOffice.
Just my two debens worth.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 24 Jul 2000 21:23:33 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > If you knew anthing about RDBMs you would know the os makes no
>> > > difference on
>> > > the outcome, THe RDBM doesn`t really use the os.
>> >
>> > HAHAHA - excuse me? I think that you are completely misinformed. You are
>> > wrong. Totally. That's like saying: RDBM doesn't use files or memory.
>>
>> Actually, most high end DBMS systems circumvent the file system by
>> accessing the lowlevel block device directly. Also, they usually
>> allocate a huge amount of RAM and manage the memory internally.
>
> Does Oracle bypass the file system entirely? Does SQL Server?
>
> yes, they do manage their own memory but bypassing the OS and it's file
> system (and security)?? I do not believe that is true for DB2, Oracle
Wrong, wrong,
> or SQL
> Server -
Correct.
Though DB2 really is the only system you mentioned which is actually
worth mentioning.
I find it odd that you would be interested in DB2 and anything else, let
alone DB2 and "SQL"...
Oh thats right, you dont know anything about the way computers actually work.
=====yttrx
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Subject: Re: Linux = Yet Another Unix
From: alram83 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.alpha
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:22:31 -0700
"Nate Slater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Saul Goldblatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> says...
>> > Linux = Yet Another Unix. I think that every one of these
Linux cult
>> > members should be sentenced to one year of having to
perform tech
>support
>> > for end-users of that OS.
>>
>> There aren't any end users running Linux, at least none that
are
>> officially supported by the corporate policy. There are
however,plenty of
>> idiots that take it upon themselves to wipe out the corporate
pre-load of
>> Windows and "TRY" and use Linux. When they hose up their
entire system,
>> not to mention flood the network with packets, they call me.
I am a
>> manager of a technical support help center and unfortunately
we have a
>> few bad apples that insist upon trying to run Linux on their
corporate
>> issued PC's.
>> It usually ends in disaster.
>
>We run a heterogenous environment at my office. We've
got 'doze 98 clients
>and NT boxes and linux boxes. Running tcpdump on the NIC of
the internal
>router is quite informative. The NT boxes, particularly the
domain
>controllers and WINS servers spew more unsolicited packets than
any other
>machine by far. One of the main reasons for this is that the
NT machines,
>particularly the domain controllers, are always
having 'elections.' Plus,
>the WINS machines seem to always be querying the network to see
which boxes
>are out there. For that reason, I've completely disabled WINS
and now just
>use DNS.
>
>And, on the topic of DNS, we just recently noticed that the
new 'doze 2000
>box was spewing packets destined for port 53 on the DNS server
attempting to
>"update" the zone file with it's host information.
Fortunately, this
>annoying settting can be shut off. But it contributed to lots
of annoying
>network traffic and DNS problems. Too bad the only way to
disable an NT PDC
>is to rebuild the box.
>
><snip>
>
>
>> It's run by anti-social, pencil necked geeks who need to get
laid more
>> often, even if they have to pay for it and chances are good
they do.
>>
>> Tip: Make sure and pick a fresh one!!!
>>
>> Students are another source of Linux supporters. Green,
starry eyed
>> nymphs who have not a touch of reality having been shielded
from the
>> reall world for four or five years. They end up being clones
of their
>> professors, who wouldn't be professors if they actually had
any talent.
>>
>> I see a couple every week here trying to get a job. They are
textbook
>> idiots with absolutely no grasp on reality.
>
>Let me guess: you're an MCSE aren't you? I have written lots
of code for
>both Linux and Microsoft. In fact, for the last several years,
I've been
>working on a project that involves nothing but Microsoft
technology. And
>I've come across more mediocre programmers, systems
adminstrators, and help
>desk people during this project than you can possibly imagine.
>
>The linux projects always seem to go smoother. True, linux is
far from
>bug-free. But (unlike Microsoft) the open-source community
will more often
>than not admit that there are bugs and fix them in a timely
fashion. Not to
>mention that the documentation on the technology is better and
more
>complete. And it's actually documentation, rather than
marketing materials.
>
>All the big software projects seem to involve a combination of
different
>technologies, including linux, unix, NT, and usually some sort
of RDBMS.
>I've found that the linux and unix folk are almost always
capable of
>developing in all environments, including NT. The NT folk, on
the other
>hand, are almost always helpless outside the 'doze world. IMO,
this says a
>lot about their overall talent as developers, and even more
about their
>understanding of how computers and networks function.
>
>This isn't sermonizing; this is simply what experience in the
industry has
>revealed. I won't deny that there are certainly some very
talented NT and
>'doze programmers out there (many are my friends and co-
workers). But like
>I explained above, they all have knowledge in other OS's and
environments,
>and that's what sets them apart from the rest. And I have yet
to come
>across a linux or unix guru who didn't know how to work with NT.
>Unfortunately, the converse simply isn't true.
>
>> The joke is on Linux.
>
>No, the joke is on those who deny that it is actually a viable,
production
>ready technology.
>
>>
>>
>> Linux = Loser = Waste of time = no interest = sewerage =
garbage.
>>
>>
>> Linux is the collective septic system of all of the open
sores waste that
>> is given away (lord knows they could never sell such junk).
>>
>> We just sent out a memo today forbidding any alternative
operating
>> systems on the corporate personal computers including lap
tops.
>>
>> The only thing Linux has going for it is that it is cheap. I
can relate
>> to that. After all, "Why pay retail, when you can get it
wholesale"?
>
>And why pay for NT when you can get a better, more reliable
environment with
>Linux for free?
>
>>
>> Saul Goldblatt
>
>Nate Slater
>
>
>
>
'Nuff said.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tinman)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451750 (Davie Tholen)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:25:51 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl
Knechtel) wrote:
> Ah, a beautiful day for a relaxing round of Tholen emulation...
Jumping into conversations again, Karl. Have fun. ("
[snip]
>
> Your experience is irrelevant. What you can prove is relevant.
On the contrary. What I experience is all that is relevant. Proof is a
fool's game.
> : > 1> ('
> : >
> : > What is that supposed to mean, Tinman?
>
> : Don't you know?
>
> Obviously not, tinman.
Indeed, but I enjoy the game.
> : > 1> It's a search engine, Davie.
> : >
> : > Who is that, Tinman?
>
> : A search engine is a what, not a who, Davie.
>
> "Davie" is a who, neither a "what" nor a "search engine", tinman.
Prove it, if you can.
> : > 1> On the contrary.
> : >
> : > Even more pontification.
>
> : Illogical, Davie.
>
> Who is that, tinman?
The great tholenator.
[snip]
>
> : The turntable, Davie, keep hitting it.
>
> Balderdash.
No, don't hit the balderdash, it bites. Hit the turntable.
[snip]
>
> : Knowledge of logic, Davie.
>
> What alleged "Knowledge of logic", tinman?
That which Davie lacks.
> : > 1> Hit the turntable, Davie.
> : >
> : > Who is that, Tinman?
>
> : For the last time in this post,
>
> Incorrect. See below.
>
> : a turntable is a what, not a who, Davie.
>
> A turntable is a what, not a who, Davie.
> ')
>
> Karl Knechtel {:>
> da728 at torfree dot net
> ... Actually, tinman emulation seems to have its benefits as well...
Of course, it's a superset of tholen emulation.
--
______
tinman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 24 Jul 2000 21:25:37 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Haven't worked with either. I saw HP Openview a few years ago (1995)
>> when it was in 30-day demo mode on some new machines. It's ok, but
>> all the info is available from pre-existing commands like netstat.
>
> HAHAHHAHA - you didn't spend hardly any time with it at all then did you!
> "netstat" -
You actually dont know what netstat is, do you.
HPOpenview may be an industry standard in some sense, but it is certianly not
the best tool for most jobs. It can be incredibly network intensive, and
requires a monstrous machine to run on on all but the most teeny of "serious"
networks.
=====yttrx
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From: Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: The real faux paus of the U.S. military... (was Re: The Failure of the
USS Yorktown)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:28:04 GMT
In article <8lgsje$dug$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Eh? ::Boggle:: I guess, if you don't call navigation a task that
> > needs data processing support.
>
> Of course they had the onboard computers to control the bird, and the
> master computers on back on Earth. I was referring to the fact that
> they had no experiments or other missions on that first flight. So
> there were no mission that needed a sepperate computer like a laptop
> for data processing support.
The commander and pilot were the experiments.
Since we were on the Space CEnter grounds, we got to hear the NASA
public affairs guy talk about stuff without having to listen to Dan
Rather interpret it for the brain-impaired. John Young, who had already
been in space several times, had a heart rate during launch of about 70
BPM. Ed Crippen, who was going up for the first time, was screaming
along at 130BPM, IIRC.
During the landing, the once again reported on the astronauts' heart
rates. John Young was piloting the Shuttle and Cripped was along for the
ride. Cripped, who had nothing to do, was relaxed and altert and doing
~70BPM. Young, performing the first ever landing of the Shuttle from
Orbit, was going along at about 130BPM.
Nice landing, John. :-)
>If the shuttle did need a laptop for
> operations and flight control, then that laptop should be built into
> the instruments in a way that it would nolonger be a laptop.
Interestingly, they brought up some laptops in the mid '90s to evaluate
designs. It turns out that the astronauts liked the Macs better. They
had better integration of trackballs (this was in the days of those
goofy add-on trackballs for Wintel laptops) and a simpler user
interface. But then some High Muckety-Muck decided that Standardization
was a Good Thing and, ignoring what people needed, decided to phase out
Macs in favor of Windoze.
--
Woofbert <woofbert at infernosoft dot com>, Datadroid
Infernosoft: Putting the No in Innovation. http://www.infernosoft.com
Consider God's handiwork: for who can make straight
that which He hath made crooked?" Ecclesiastes 7:13
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