Linux-Advocacy Digest #918, Volume #29 Sun, 29 Oct 00 15:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: Astroturfing (Jason Bowen)
Re: Why don't I use Linux? (Gary Hallock)
Re: Astroturfing (Jason Bowen)
Re: Any better distributions? (Mig)
Re: Why don't I use Linux? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Caldera OpenLinux User)
Re: Why don't I use Linux? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Anonymous)
Re: history of software engineering (was: Re: Ms employees begging for (Terje
Mathisen)
Re: Linux (Bob Hauck)
Re: I'm sick and tired of you (was: Linux) (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux Beats NT! (Bob Hauck)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (lyttlec)
Re: Ms employees begging for food (Bruce Hoult)
sound software (2:1)
Re: Linux (2:1)
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:07:41 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Frankly, Microsoft products do quite poorly when there is
*ANY*
> > > > > > > competition in the marketplace. There were several popular
> > > > > > > office suites before Microsoft started forcing contracts on
the
> > > > > > > OEMS that essentially said, "You WILL pre-load MS-Office to
the
> > > > > > > exclusion of ALL OTHER office suites--or we will DOUBLE *YOUR*
> > > > > > > licensing fees". That's not business...that's blackmail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An alternative viewpoint is: "Load Office and we will give it to
you
> > at
> > > > > > half-price. "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What a deal the OEM's got. And many, many users who never had to
pay
> > > > retail
> > > > > > for it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regardless. Tell me the last time a user had any choice as to
which
> > > > > office suite they wanted to buy?
> > > >
> > > > I've NEVER bought a computer with DOS/Windows/WinNT/Win2k or Office
on
> > it.
> > > > For many years I worked at a University and I could purchase most of
the
> > > > software I needed at a substantial educational discount. I fondly
> > remember
> > > > when Microsft was selling VB with a copy of NT in the box. Great
deal
> > for
> > > > $Can 118 -- about $US 75.
> > > >
> > > > I've always bought computers from smaller companies and then loaded
up
> > the
> > > > software myself.
> > > >
> > > > It's very easy to do.
> > >
> > > Yes, if you have the proper knowledge. The typical first-time
computer
> > user
> > > has no experience loading operating systems.
> >
> > That wasn't the point. You said "Tell me the last time a user had any
choice
> > as to which
> > office suite they wanted to buy?"
>
> Please show us ONE computer catalog that offers a competing Office Suite
> for sale.
Gateway. 99$ for Corel Wordperfect Suite 2000. You do get Microsoft Works,
but you don't have to buy Office 2000.
Is Gateway big enough for you?
http://www.gatewayatwork.com/prod/sb_v566cses_Config.shtml
What a maroon.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: 29 Oct 2000 19:05:33 GMT
In article <39fc5a97$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In <8thkg4$cle$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/29/00
> at 04:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen) said:
>
>>Go to deja.com/usenet and prove that the discussion was about overall system
>>performance and that you didn't start a tangental discussion which had no
>>bearing on the topic at hand.
>
>
>I have no idea what you are trying to say with this, but just a day ago you
>took the opposite position:
>
>>>>We weren't talking about the overall system, this is something you've tried
>>>>to add to save face and it isn't working you dishonest asshole.
>
>What is your next position going to be?
You aren't very smart. Both times I've took the position that the
discussion wasn't about overall system performance and that you tried to
steer it that way. I'm telling you to prove that the discussion was about
overall system performance, since you keep trying to get on that soapbox.
>
>You're nothing but an asshole who needs some professional help. -- Your
>entire problem is nothing more then a grudge match, and even within that you
>keep flip-floping your position back and forth trying to prove that you are
>right. Now go outside and play in your sandbox.
>
Pop psychology is the realm of the loser.
>
>PS: Read the Code of Ethics for the IEEE. You will find, based on your
>behavior here, that you don't qualify to be a PE.
>
Pot, Kettle, Black?
>
>
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:10:36 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why don't I use Linux?
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2:1) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >That's bullshit and you know it.
> >
> >What does MS Exel do? Corel paradox powerpoint, access, hotmetal pro,
> >quark express, mscdex.exe?
> >All of those are cryptic names. They all come on windows.
>
> And yet I know and so do you, what they all mean. Funny that.
>
And yet, I don't have a clue what any of those do. hotmetal pro? Is
that for molding bronze statues? quark express? Must be some program to
help in detecting those subatomic particles. MS Exel? Well, I exel quite
well without MS. Corel paradox powerpoint? Gee, I don't think I should
trust my data to anything with the word "paradox" in the name.
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: 29 Oct 2000 19:15:22 GMT
In article <39fc5f1f$2$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Ummm why don't you go to deja.com/usenet and prove this Ed. The whole
>>discussion was about the hardware caching and nothing more, any other
>>tangents were irrelevant. We weren't talking about a whole system and only
>>dishonest assholes that lost on that point tried to take it somewhere else.
>>Now weren't you going to put me in you're "twit filter" or are you lying
>>again?
>
>
>I decided to hang around and see how mad you get. Looking at your last message
>you are so angry that you can't see straight -- or more exactly get your story
>straight. It all goes back to the same thing; you are in a grudge match. You
>were winning a point, and someone else (me) came along and took away your
>sandbox victory. You can't go home to mommy and cry, so you keep popping up
>here to inject me into this or that, every time the chance comes up.
I'm not mad, actually delighted that several times you haven't been able
to reply to the points. Sad to see OS/2 advocates posting for
entertainment purposes. Hey Ed, prove that I lost some point. We were
talking at a purely hardware level. Of course things change in a whole
system. Take a cpu with no cache so that all memory accesses have to go
to the bus. Place two different operating systems with different memory
access schemes and you will see different performance all else being
equal. I wasn't winning a point and then losing it. The topic was
hardware caching and some people didn't understand it. The point was the
cpu and chipset only caching 64Mb of memory.
>
>You have been doing this for several monts now and I have your messages to
>prove it. So we know exactly what you are; an angry little boy who lost an
>internet game and keeps crying about it for months and months, and who will
>continue until you grow up -- which in your case may well never happen.
>
Prove it with Deja links. It started with Bob Germer arguing about a bios
switch and me and a few others pointed out that he didn't know what the
hell he was talking about. Then you tried to bring up the caching
routines which was irrelevant to the hardware topic at hand. Why is this
so hard for you to understand. We were talking about memory acccess
always going to the bus and you tried to steer the topic to something that
didn't enter in to the conversation.
>So, see ya junior. When you growup and want to have an adult conversation let
>me know.
>
Your attempts at being trite are tired.
>
>--
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Any better distributions?
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:18:58 +0100
I think that Mandrake might be the one for you. It uses Xpdf instead of
Acrobat and grace i never heard of. But the release RPM's quite fast.
Im using Mandrake 7.1 and am waiting for 7.2 that be very close to be
released. The problem i have with Mandrake is that they are too much on the
"front line". If they are not a bit more conservative with 7.2 ill probably
switch to SUSE or - surprise- Caldera Open Linux :-)
Cheers
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Subject: Re: Why don't I use Linux?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:31:29 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2:1) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I have no frigging idea what the hell corel paradox is. I saw it as an
>icon on the desk top and obstinantly didn't open it, just to prove you
>wrong.
>
>I happen to know what exel does because I have used it, so no, it's not
>that funny, really. Don't be an idiot. are you really trying to pretend
>any of the above are less cryptic than (to take some classic examples)
>sed, awk, grep, ls. They're avery bit as cryptic. You'd have no clue
>what they did until you were told/used them.
Cryptic they may be but they are more commonly known, much more so than the
list original given on UNIX.
>No, it's not vapour ware, because you can look at how it's really
>progressing. You can get a beta version.
My point is that it hasn't been release yet as 2.4.
>Word is more like a fancy gold ornament from the stone age. Pretty* to
>look at but fuck all use.
And I write letters with it.
And I write reports with it.
I would agree it is a pig to use beyond that, but its a helluva lot simpler
than LaTeX or any other such package.
>No, you don't use Linux becaus eyou wnat microsoft. That's fine by me:
>use what you prefer, but don't assume everyone else wants the same as
>you.
You're statement is incorrect. I do not want Microsoft, I want a platform
that is stable (and Windows 98 SE is not) and has everything I want (and
Linux is very close). Please do not make such statements about what you
_think_ I want.
--
Pete Goodwin
---
Why don't I use Linux?
Waiting for Borland to release Delphi.
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:38:11 -0800
From: Caldera OpenLinux User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Bruce Schuck wrote:
> "Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:38:35 -0700, "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > There has been much talk about hidden ports in
> > > > the back end of all windows products in the last
> > > > year.
> > >
> > > Anyone who runs Zonealarm -- which reports unauthorized TCP/IP traffic
> IN
> > > and OUT knows you are full of sh*t.
> > >
> > > We Zonalarm users know who has the hidden ports -- Real Audio , Adware
> etc
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > It ain't the Microsoft OS.
> >
> > With Microsoft's source in the hands of some very clever "hackers" all
> bets
> > are now off.
>
> So you suggest that no open source software is secure?
>
> I tend to agree with you. It's one of my beefs with Linux.
>
> Luckily Microsoft can now change their source code and keep those changes
> hidden.
>
> Linux users will always feel very afraid about the backdoors people could
> intorduce in their source.
Assume you have the technical capability. Tell us how you're going to create
a backdoor and put it into Calderas distribution.
Tell me why I have to fear you - what tricks are you going to do that are not
going to be evident in the source code.
> Microsft caught the intruder when some accounts were created.
>
No one's been caught. Who were they?
Why is MS obligated to tell us the full story about the break in? Isn't is
common for crimes to NOT be fully publicized in the press ?
MS refuses to be hald liable for the security holes in windows. Try to sue
them if they have a security hole that causes you harm - what does that us?
Faith is a bad way to implement security - faith in closed code, faith in full
disclosure.
What happened to MS doesn't indicate a superior security model. MS's feature
rich design puts too much empahsis on HUMAN decisions to enable security.
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Subject: Re: Why don't I use Linux?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:36:39 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (A transfinite number of monkeys) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Oh, you suffer from the problem that most windoze users suffer from.
>You want your single program to do everything. Use gqview (it comes
>with GNOME) for that. You found your image, great, right click and
>choose Edit. GIMP is a *MANIPULATION* program, not a file browser.
>Perhaps you'd like to use GIMP as a file manager, and a mail reader too?
It does not seem unreasonable to expect a graphics package to manipulate
graphics images in multiples, to me. Something as old as XV did it, why not
GIMP?
Can GIMP process batches of graphics image? Paint Shop Pro can.
I wouldn't expect PSP to be a file manager (but then, take a look at what
XV does) or a mail reader. Really, if you're going to pick examples, try
picking ones that are sensible, not silly!
>: Where's the animation editor?
>
>Oh, you probably mean something quaint like a timeline that you copy and
>paste frames of animated GIFs (one of the worst ideas in the history of
>the web) into, right? No need. GIMP does this with layers. Had you
>bothered to do something silly, like say, go to Google and type in
>"animated gif gimp", the very first link returned explains the entire
>process. Very simple.
How about AVI files?
MPEG files?
Why limit this to animated GIF?
>My copy of GIMP prints just fine. Just for laughs, I wasted a sheet of
>paper to verify that it does in fact still print just fine & dandy. My
>LaserJet 2100M happily spat forth a page with my image on it. Perhaps
>your printer is broken?
Nope, my colour inkjet printer works just fine.
--
Pete Goodwin
---
Why don't I use Linux?
Waiting for Borland to release Delphi.
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:40:08 -0800
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
aaron wrote:
> Matt Kennel wrote:
> >
> > :Look at Oracle. You pay for the software by the mhz of the chip you run it
> > :on .... as if that was any of their f**king business.
> > :
> > :Upgrade the processor and pay more money!
> > :
> > :Talk about extortion.
> >
> > Why? I see no relation.
> >
> > The problem with Microsoft's business practices is that they were intentionally
> > designed to thwart agreements between the Microsoft client and some other
> > third software maker by means other than offering a superior product.
>
> Precisely. Subversion of the free market....and THAT is why
> Microsoft should be put out of business.
you write like a communist
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
STOP THE TROLLOCAUST
NEVER AGAIN!
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin, more
even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Terje Mathisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.os.netware.misc
Subject: Re: history of software engineering (was: Re: Ms employees begging for
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:34:06 +0100
Jonathan Thornburg wrote:
>
> In article <nVQK5.329$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Caveman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Software engineering is an established science which has existed for over
> ====
> >two decades, [[...]]
> ===========
>
> It's existed for a _lot_ over two decades. My copy of "The Mythical
> Man-Month" is at home, but I recall its copyright as around 1972. It
> was describing an already-well-established field, with many published
> results from the 1960s.
I recently got a copy of the 20-year anniversary edition, which was
issued in 1995. I.e. the book came out in 1975.
Terje
--
- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Using self-discipline, see http://www.eiffel.com/discipline
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Linux
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:43:43 GMT
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 05:29:45 GMT, Brandon Van Every
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There are nice easy dumb-it-down point-n-click GUI interfaces for
>everything nowadays? That all work as advertized and don't require
>technical wizardry to fix when things blow up?
Are there any for Windows?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: I'm sick and tired of you (was: Linux)
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:43:45 GMT
On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:05:58 -0500, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>OK, you've a compiler. Every mass-market, consumer-friendly operating system
>needs one.
I'll put this one down as "Lesson in how to completely misinterpret the
intent of a post".
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Linux
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:43:44 GMT
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 05:21:24 GMT, Brandon Van Every
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>About 8 hours of deja.com and current newsgroup research. I did Linux
>from 1993 to 1996 so I know what the environment is generally like.
Oh, I see, you didn't actually use it. That explains some things. For
one thing you seem to have completely overlooked the current crop of
"desktop environments" for end-users. Both Gnome and KDE are _far_
beyond where such things were in 1996. GUI admin tools likewise.
And both Debian and Red Hat-derived systems have package managers that
compete quite well with Installshield.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Beats NT!
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:43:47 GMT
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:34:19 +0200, anneluca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>and nasdaq ? w2k and NT4
>ok, ok nasdaq is not critical...
They switched the trading system? Last I heard, they were only running
some sort of fraud-detection system on NT.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: lyttlec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:50:13 GMT
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > gm wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 04:42:22 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3310071.html?tag=st.ne.ron.lthd.ni
> > > >
> > > >3 FULL MONTHS they were stealing code and Microsoft
> > > >has now admitted they got everything including Whistler!
> > >
> > > Do you even bother to read the very sources that you refer to?
> > > What MS admitted was they saw code for programs that are in
> > > development, but they did not see the code for existing products.
> >
> > "MS admitted"
> >
> > MS is NOT required to tell the public what was seen nor to be truthful
> about the
> > extend of the break-in.
>
> The SEC would require disclosure if it was material to the companies
> fortunes.
>
> Shareholders could clearly sue if Microsoft lied about it.
>
> If you bring in the FBI you might be guilty of bad judgement, but you aren't
> guilty of a coverup.
>
But if there is a criminial investigation under way, they might not
release everything because "a criminal investigation is in progress."
How many times have you seen that? Also who decides what is material?
The CEO, the Chief Technology Officer?
If you are a big stockholder in MS, are you going to force a lawsuite
requireing MS to admit to loss of their source code?
> >
> > > That's a failure of the admin personnel, not a failure of the
> > > software. It could easily have happened at any other company running
> > > something other than Windows if the security administrator(s) aren't
> > > keeping their eyes open.
> >
> > Baloney. Windows is designed with "features: that rely heavily on
> individuals.
> > It is a design flaw.
>
> People break into root on Linux boxes everyday. Go read the security
> advisories.
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From: Bruce Hoult <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.os.netware.misc
Subject: Re: Ms employees begging for food
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:00:40 +1300
In article <DFUK5.935$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Caveman) wrote:
> There's just too much nice commercial stuff in Solaris that makes Linux
> look really crude, ugly and backward by comparison, and by the time
> Linux developers manage to come up with a comparable presentation
> model, things will have moved far ahead.
Not disputing the current state, but I think there's clearly room to
debate the respective rates of advancement. Look how wonderfully fast
Sun have advanced OpenWindows.
> If you want my opinion, I think the whole Linux/open source community
> should do what BTL did years ago with Plan9 and stop chasing commercial
> UNIX or NT and diverge creatively into something better. I see a huge
> amount of creative effort being wasted by people trying to emulate what
> some other creative people did decades ago, instead of developing
> something new. Of course maybe that says something. I'll leave the
> interpretation of that statement to the reader.
The waste is in having creative people put a lot of effort into
something wonderful and then having corporate idiots hide it for years
and eventually junk it.
I'm more familiar with the history of Apple than of Sun or AT&T but I
can give at least a dozen prime examples from them alone.
-- Bruce
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sound software
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:53:36 +0000
I know there's a large number of knowledgable people here on cola, so I
thought I'd try here first.
I have searched, so don't flame.
Does anyone know of an mp3 to wav converter (must be command line
based). There seem to be lots that go in the other direction.
Also how do you play wavs under linux. .au seems to be OK (cat *.au >
/dev/audio) and it there a wav to au (and reverse) converter anywhere
Cheers
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:01:47 +0000
Could someone please tell me what thew whole pot, kettle, black thing
is?
-Ed
Terry Porter wrote:
>
> On 28 Oct 2000 21:03:33 GMT, michelle makitra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >Ok, there a few problems when people attempt to show knowledge but instead
> >show ignorance.
> And its amazing how they do this with opening lines similar to yours.
>
> > Sfccybear, you need to understand a few things and open up
> >your eyes.
> You think Sfcybear should take your advice as your no longer using it ?
>
> > Currently, what's the most used, most popular OS today? I'll
> >give you a hint, it's not Linux.
> The US Justice Dept will tell you the same thing, and why.
>
> >
> >Being a software engineer myself, I know Linux has a looooong way to go
> >before it offers competition on the desktop against Windows or Mac, or other
> >Unices for dev projects, etc..
> Your welcome to your opinion, lets not forget, thats all it is ?
>
> > It has a good chance as a server when 2.4
> >comes out (assuming it won't suck), but not before. 2.2 Linux just plain
> >sucks compared to BSD and commercial Unices) when it comes to performance.
> >Crap SMP support, poor I/O performance, etc. I/O performance is lacking on
> >my scsi system, where it naturally flies on Win2k and Solaris. Network
> >performance is not terribly impressive with Linux, either.
> >
> >Yet an ignorant person such as yourself
> Pot kettle ... black.
>
> > will defend Linux till the end,
> >pertending it'll "take over the world", etc, a natural talent of a true
> >Religous Zealot. Linux is good, but for performance, software, ease of use,
> >easy maintainability, Linux just lacks.
> Your *facts* lack, thats obvious.
>
> > Not to mention software support is
> >also lacking; that is, lack of GOOD software.
> Hahahahahah oh yeah, *good* software. Your expertise is in the use of emotive
> words, I think your a *marketing engineer*, not a software engineer ?
>
> >
> >Anyway, stop being ignorant
> Once again pot, kettle ....
>
> > and look at the industry for a moment. Look at
> >facts, listen to what people say, and gather some truth from people's
> >experience with Linux.
> Sure my experience with Linux may help, said experience tells me you lack any
> ability to judge facts on a rational sientific basis ..
>
> > Don't just judge on what YOU like about it. Have a
> >nice day.
> Please use some of your advice, youll be a better Wintroll for it.
>
> <snip>
>
> Kind Regards
> Terry
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