Linux-Advocacy Digest #90, Volume #28            Sat, 29 Jul 00 14:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Aaron Kulkis -- USELESS Idiot -- And His "Enemies" -was- Another      ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: Aaron Kulkis -- USELESS Idiot -- And His "Enemies" -was- Another     one  of 
Lenin's Useful Idiots denies reality ("Zepp, a weasel in the corn")
  Re: Poor stupid Aaron, pity his woman. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Yeah!  Bring down da' man! (John Jensen)
  Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Leslie Mikesell)
  Re: Gnome or KDE (Michal Jaegermann)
  Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark (fungus)
  Re: Linux can physically destroy your hard drive! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? (sandrews)
  Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Curtis Bass)

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Aaron Kulkis -- USELESS Idiot -- And His "Enemies" -was- Another     
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:13:56 -0400

MH wrote:
> 
> "> > new republicans need and are counting on. Where I come from, we call
> them
> >
> > I'm libertarian, fool.
> 
> That explains it. Ever heard - "he no play-a the game, no make-a the rules"
> ?
> You sir, are the idiot. Why can't you people have the class of say, an
> agnostic? Don't affiliate, fine I've no problem with that. But please, when
> it comes to affairs of govt., keep your F'n mouth shut. Your just a backseat

I *AM* in the government...and the only one keeping their mouth shut
will be you when I give you a butt-stroke to the jaw with an M-16.


> driver not even in the car. Seen the Libertarian poll numbers lately there
> chief?

Sooooooooooo, truth is determined by how many idiots agree with an idea.

I guess there used to be "canals on mars" but now there aren't?


> 
> Libertarian - Pissy-ass anarchist with a twist.
> 
> Please, go and create your society with no govt so you can be eaten like a
> cannibal ASAP.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Zepp, a weasel in the corn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Aaron Kulkis -- USELESS Idiot -- And His "Enemies" -was- Another     one  
of Lenin's Useful Idiots denies reality
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:06:59 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:28:16 -0700, "Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>"Zepp, a weasel in the corn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:08:30 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >MH wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > > >> >> You're one of those people who thinks that the U.S.
>Government is
>> >> > > >> >> perfect
>> >> > > >> >Absolutely not.  it's FAR too socialistic.
>> >> > > >>         In what way?
>> >> > > >AFDC
>> >> > > >Social Security
>> >> > > >WIC
>> >> > > >HUD
>> >> > > >Dairy price supports
>> >> > > >Food Stamps
>> >> > >
>> >> > >         I'm sure that the real reason Mr. Kulkis objects is a lack
>of
>> >> > > virility in this stuff.
>> >> >
>> >> > The above programs constitute SLAVERY...as the productive
>> >> > people in society are forced to support the lazy and
>> >> > unproductive.
>> >> >
>> >> > All federal Government welfare programs are unconstitutional.
>> >>
>> >> Another one of the new "compassionate conservatives".
>> >
>> >Exactly how is it "compassionate" to steal from someone who is
>> >productive to pay the lazy to sit around and do nothing?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Which to honest, I
>> >> can't figure out for the life of me. Same logic here says no abortion,
>no
>> >> food stamps, no soup for you. But once the kid is born, the hell with
>'em.
>> >> Only the strong survive here. If you develop an illness and lose your
>job,
>> >> you're SOL. If you're raped and become pregnant you're SOL. If you
>develop
>> >> any sort of problem that impedes your ability to provide for yourself,
>> >> that's right, you're SOL.
>> >
>> >Ever hear of this concept called "personal responsibility"
>>
>> This line, if nothing else, shows why Libertarians have dropped to .6%
>> in the polls, and are still dropping.
>>
>> Murder by neglect is still murder.  Personal responsibility INCLUDES
>> social responsibility.  We aren't animals.
>>
>Does that make us minerals or vegetables?  Well, you perhaps....
>Anyone who truly believes that we are, in fact, much better than animals
>hasn't taken a good look at how people treat each other in this world and is
>a MORON.

Well, there's a good philosophical base to build a "let the rich and
powerful make all the rules" society upon, isn't it?  

Actually, I defame animals in one way:  most species do have
interdependency to one extent or another, like humans.  Only
libertartians try to pretend there's something wrong with that.
Animals are not libertarians, except for some members of the cat
family.  

>If the people of the world were TRULY civilized, we would not need guns,
>laws, government, or religion.  People would not need to be forced to
>respect the rights of others.  The very existence of governments, laws, and
>armed organizations to enforce those laws it a testament to the fact that
>we, as a species, behave like animals.
>
I agree that if we were truly civilized, we would not need religion.  


**********************************************************
Cheney also told senators he obtained student and marriage deferments because 
"I had other priorities in the '60s than military service.'' 

And of course, we already have GW Bush's glamorous AWOL adventure.

Now:  any other right wingers want to whine about Clinton and the draft?

For political commentary by Zepp, visit
http://www.snowcrest.net/zepp/zeppol.htm
For links to all things Liberal/Leftist, go to
http:/www.snowcrest.net/zepp/lynx.htm
Warning:  Contains ideas
************************************************************           
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Poor stupid Aaron, pity his woman.
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:21:06 -0400

"Clell A. Harmon" wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 02:03:38 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >"Clell A. Harmon" wrote:
> 
> >> >> >> >> >> No wonder you can't get laid.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >my gf says otherwise.
> >> >> >> >> >hehehehehehe
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>         Yeah, she says 'No'.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >To YOU...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>         Is THAT what she told you?  Tsk, tsk.  Why do women lie like
> >> >> >> that?  Didn't you wonder why she was so relaxed the next day?  You
> >> >> >> haven't been doing the job boy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Question:  What country are we in?
> >> >>
> >> >>         The one where...
> >> >
> >> >Translation: he doesn't know
> >>
> >>         Poor Aaron, getting all prissy when the truth about his oh so
> >> frustrated better 2/3rds (sorry Aaron, she let slip your 'size
> >> problem') gets out.
> >
> >If such were the case, then why is she still with me?
> >
> >Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
> 
>         Masochist.  Poster child for the 'Why Smart Women do Stupid
> things"books, Pity, who knows the minds of women? It doesn't stop her
> from trolling the bars Aaron, but hey if you can live with it...

Wrong.  I am the only one who makes her dreams come true.



-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yeah!  Bring down da' man!
Date: 29 Jul 2000 17:26:32 GMT

Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[snip]
: But SOAP doesn't solve this problem either.  Versioned libraries are
: well understood; there is no reason why you cannot have both libraries
: installed at the same time (ie, the classic libc5/glibc2 fun)

[snip]
: > As much as Mr. Jedi sees this as an advocacy game, I'm actually most
: > interested in reducing some of the risk and uncertainty in this procedure.
: > Protocols like SOAP interest me because they work at the front end,
: > improving compatibilities between components.  I don't actually think my
: > interest is bad for UNIX, or that far afield from Miguel de Icaza's
: > keynote at the Ottawa Linux Symposium:

: RPM runs at the "front end" as well.  (unless I'm misunderstanding
: what your point is, of course)

Let's see if I'm awake enough (long week) to give an example.  When I use
an API to a C library to pick up a batch of information, perhaps:

        /* from memory sorry for errors */

        struct *passwd pw;

        pw = getpwuid(134);
        printf("his name is %s\n",pw->pw_name);

we're lucky in C/UNIX that we've got a lot of APIs honed over time.  They
don't have to change too much, but consider if I wanted to add something
to a password entry (a password expiration date?). Expanding the passwd
stucture breaks binary compatibliity between library versions.  Adding a
second API to collect this new information keeps compatibility but
increases complexity.

One of the real drags is that any "intermediaries", code fragments that
used to get a passwd entry and then store or forward it to someone else,
must change (new struct or new API) to continue their function.  This
despite the fact that they don't have a need to see inside the passwd
data.

(my crack about *.h is based upon the inteface being defined there, in the
above example <pwd.h>, <sys/types.h>)

In contrast, a name/value system such as an XML allows a module to glean
as much information has he can understand, and perhaps forward a more open
set of information he doesn't need to understand.  A system:

        /* wild pseudocode, but I hope you get the gist */

        my_xml_t my_xml_query;
        my_xml_t my_xml_response;

        set_value(my_xml_query,"ID",134);
        my_xml_response = getpw(my_xml_query);
        printf("his name is %s\n", get_value(my_xml_response,"NAME");

burns a lot more overhead at runtime, and I don't think there would be an
advantage to using XML (or something similar) for intra-module
comunications.  On the other hand XML (or something similar), which
processes names and values at runtime, would seem to make inter-module
interactions more flexible.

A second bonus is that 'struct passwd' and such have limited the numbers
of languages that can play directly with the UNIX libraries.  XML (and
similar) message streams allow a greater number of languages to play as
peers.

John

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 29 Jul 2000 12:37:36 -0500

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>You can copy the underlying concepts to your heart's content without 
>>infringing copyright.  If not how could there be gnu clones of programs
>>like ls, tr, etc.
>
>Yea, and how could there then be four different publishers making Star
>Wars books?

There could, as far as copyright laws are concerned if each
could prove nothing had been copied.  However I suspect the
name is a trademark so only one would have the right to
it, but that is a very different issue.

  Les Mikesell
    [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michal Jaegermann)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Gnome or KDE
Date: 29 Jul 2000 17:38:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Doc Shipley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Ice, XFCE and Blackbox are much smaller and faster than KDE or Gnome.

ROTFL!  And my car is much smaller and faster than a highway.
A quoted sentence and the one here make roughly the same amount of
sense.

Gnome and KDE are _not_ window managers (even if ties to kwm are pretty
strong in KDE).

:  Ice is my choice,

You can run Ice rather nicely as a window manager in a Gnome framework,
and I did that, although recently I am somewhat partial to sawfish.
Still Ice is a few mouse clicks away.

Personal choices is all of that is about; although _informed_ choices
are preferable. :-)

   Michal

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From: fungus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:43:34 GMT



Drestin Black wrote:
> 
> Oh, and tell us "Fungus" - just exactly how has MS "flushed" this benchmark?
> By winning it exactly as everyone else had previously? I didnt' hear anyone
> complain when Sun owned all top 5 positions... MS followed the rules

The "rules" somehow assumed that all the players were gentlemen.

The underlying assumption of clustering is to improve "availablility",
this means both speed *and* reliability.

Microsoft compromised reliability to gain speed. The more machines
you add to a Microsoft "cluster", the less reliable it gets. This
is exactly the opposite of what people actually want from clustering.


> You whine but provide no substance or explaination...


Can somebody please post the link to the "explanation" for him?

(I seem to have mislaid it...)



-- 
<\___/>
/ O O \
\_____/  FTB.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux can physically destroy your hard drive!
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:40:40 GMT

Such a program can be writen to do the same in MS software... Your
point???


In article <39830c8b$0$2247$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Remember how we always laughed at people when they'd stay stupid
things
> like: "I installed this game and it physically destroyed my hard
drive" and
> we'd patiently point out that that's impossible and it's probably a
fried
> partition and/or FAT table and so on...
>
> well, it turns out that Linux onces again "innovates" - it's now
possible to
> actually, physically destroy your hard drive using some simple code
(link
> provided)...
>
> Turning disks to bricks with Linux. Andre Hedrick is the maintainer of
the
> Linux IDE/ATA subsystem; as such, he works with a piece of code that
is
> critical to the vast majority of Linux users. He also sits on the ATA
> standards committee, and understands well the ups and downs of how the
> protocol works.
> He recently discovered a significant "down." It seems that there are
certain
> ATA commands that can be sent to a drive which will cause it to
destroy
> itself. Andre posted a thing he called disk-destroyer.c (see below)
which
> will use an IDE command to trash the partition table on a disk, thus
> rendering all data inaccessible. Apparently, however, there are other
> variants possible which will cause the drive to wipe out its firmware,
thus
> turning it into a true brick.
>
> And here is the code:
>
> /*
>  * gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -s -o disk-destroyer
disk-destroyer.c
>  */
>
> #include <unistd.h>
> #include <linux/string.h>
> #include <string.h>
> #include <stdlib.h>
> #include <stdio.h>
> #include <fcntl.h>
> #include <errno.h>
> #include <ctype.h>
> #include <sys/ioctl.h>
> #include <sys/shm.h>
> #include <sys/stat.h>
> #include <sys/sysmacros.h>
> #include <sys/time.h>
> #include <sys/times.h>
> #include <sys/types.h>
> #include <linux/hdreg.h>
> #include <linux/fs.h>
> #include <linux/major.h>
>
> int main(int argc, char *argv[])
> {
>  unsigned char args[4+512] = {WIN_WRITE,0,0,1,};
>
>  int fd;
>
>  if (argc != 2) {
>   printf("usage: %s device\n", argv[0]);
>   return 0;
>  }
>  if ((fd = open(argv[1], O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK)) == -1) {
>   perror("couldn't open device");
>   return 0;
>  }
>
>  if (ioctl(fd, HDIO_DRIVE_CMD, &args))
>   perror(" DISK_DESTROYER falied");
>
>  close(fd);
>  return 0;
> }
>
>


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Before you buy.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary?
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:50:13 -0400

Courageous wrote:
> 
> > >:      Vote LIBERTARION.... the political equivalent of Linux.
> > >
> > >Wrong.  The political equivalent of Linux is communism.
> 
> I know this is going to blow your gourd, but libertarianism
> isn't philosophically antithetical to communism.
> 
> The real problem is that communism can't survive the real
> world in any practical sense without *becoming* something
> which is completely antithetical to libertarianism.
> It's the essential nature of communism that it exists in
> large populations only in the presence of many weapons
> and a very long trail of dead bodies. On paper, it's a
> different matter.

Non-coercive Communism requires nearly absolute altruism with
the group.  This might work with 4 people, but even at 10,
the chances of that condition being fulfilled are nil.


> 
> And of course, there are those of us who are happy to give
> *some* things away, and so things like Linux exist, a
> mini-realm of voluntary communism in an otherwise selfish
> sea of ordinary human nature.
> 
> But I bet you ain't offerin' to give me yar house, now
> arya, fella?
> 
> C/


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:51:27 -0400

Shocktrooper wrote:
> 
> "josco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Christopher Smith wrote:
> >
> > > > I find it rather funny that Mr. Allchin doesn't even suggest that
> > > > Microsoft add innovative new features to IE. He just accepts that the
> > > > best Microsoft can do is "copy everything that Netscape does packaging
> > > > and product wise."
> > >
> > > Integrating IE *was* an "innovative new feature".  As was componentising it.
> >
> > Integrating IE was the tactic of a monopolist.  It is classic violation of
> > anti-trust law.  Crystal clear.
> 
> And already ruled to be legal by a district appeals court.

Expect to see that ruling overturned.

that's where the smart money is.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:50:13 -0400
From: sandrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?

Spud wrote:
> 
> [snips]
> 
> "sandrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> 
> > > Do you consider C among those?  Try documenting the errors,
> > > portability issues and poor coding practices in this...
> 
> > Gee I hope you don`t program for a living, well maybe for ms.
> 
> See that first line up above?  Gee, do you think *maybe* it was
> *intentionally* full of errors?  Nah, couldn't be.
> 
> BTW, I notice you missed a whole slew of them. :)

        Well I wasn`t looking too hard at it.  I only pointed
out
        the ones that were quite obvious.  I haven`t
programmed in C
        since `85 when I contributed a interrupt driven send
and receive
        drivers for serial ports.  It`s in Bob Stouts C
snippets If you 
        want to have a look at it. (oak repositories)

--
M$ Windows is aptly named, after all, it's easily
broken, and offers little
security, just like the glass ones...

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From: Curtis Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:04:01 GMT

I know replying to one's own message is "Bad Form" but I don't claim to
have particularly good form in the first place . . .

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> In article <8lkfc6$4ih$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

-- snip --

> > No, Government's first order of business *is* self preservation.
> > Government's first order of business *should be* satisfying the whims
> > and needs of the population that are the reason it exists.
> 
> (LOL!)  You have an interesting view. I honestly didn't realize that
> "the population [is] the reason" Dictatorships and Monarchies existed.
> If you are speaking about the US and its Constitution, I must of missed
> the text which reads " . . . and satisfy the whims and needs of the
> population . . ."
> 
> Perhaps you would care to point us to that passage?
> 
> > > If some uppity Corporation starts getting arrogant and breaking Laws
> > > with appparent impunity, amassing a substantial power base in the
> > > process, then it's Government's duty to keep that Corporation in
> > > check.
> >
> > A pity that all this is decided rather arbitrarily.
> 
> It may seem arbitrary to the ignorant, but then, so does the Universe as
> a whole.
> 
> Deal with it.

It occurs to me that Government's dealing with "some uppity Corporation"
*IS* " . . . satisfy[ing] the needs of the population . . ." if it's
providing said population with better market conditions. Also, how can a
Government ". . . satisfy the whims and needs of the population . . ."
if it doesn't preserve itself in the first place?  After all, a
Government which no longer exists (or simply no longer has any power)
will have a hard time " . . . satisfy[ing] the whims and needs of the
population . . ." yes?

Thanks again for your support.


Curtis

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