Linux-Advocacy Digest #90, Volume #30 Mon, 6 Nov 00 18:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good! (Steve Mading)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Goldhammer)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Matthias Warkus)
Re: More Certification ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Stefan Ohlsson)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I think I'm in love..... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good!
Date: 6 Nov 2000 22:06:13 GMT
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: It's more aestheticly pleasing to the average user
Prove it - good luck.
: It's more consistent
True. But we'll argue about whether or not this is a good thing.
I say it's consistent merely because it's stagnant and uninspiring.
: It's been usability tested by usability engineers
That's nice. Doesn't matter to me, since their testing
produced something *I* don't like using. I have to wonder
at their techniques.
: Its security is customizable; you can disable certain menus and options
Security doesn't belong in the GUI - it belongs more low-level than
that, since the GUI is just one way of many to get at the system's
inner workings. That's like securing your house by locking your
doors and forgetting that you left all the windows wide open.
: It's what KDE is 99% based on, and the original is much better, KDE is a cheap
: knock-off
When I use kde, it doesn't look anything like Windows. It has many
themes, and the windows-looking one is just the default, that's all.
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From: Goldhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 22:06:31 GMT
In article <9_fN5.123482$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9n6N5.36231$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sat, 4 Nov 2000 21:23:36 -0800,
>>Bruce Schuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Before we waste anymore time with your drivel, name the *nix tools
>>> that matches the feature list of Access.
> >
> >
> > You must have not been paying attention
> > when I said MySQL or Postgres.
>
> Tell me about the MySQL report writer.
The tools for writing effective reports of whatever
level of simplicity or complexity you desire already
reside on your typical *nix installation. Perl, awk,
nroff, etc, etc.
I don't see why MySQL or Postgres has to duplicate functionality
that already exists on the typical system.
> Or forms designer.
It seems that the ability to manipulate buttons and
menus with mouse clicks is of supreme importance in your
mind when evaluating the functionality of database management
systems. Why is that?
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 21:08:47 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 5 Nov 2000 17:26:03 +0200...
...and Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > But I've used Word to edit source code, it does the work.
> >
> > True: you can save as plain text, but it's like using a hammer to put in
> > a screw: it will work, but it's a bit of a pain.
>
> Try localizing a program, it's a PAIN to do it with anything but word.
Why should localising a program require editing of the source code? A
properly internationalised program can be localised by editing the
message catalogue with specialised software.
mawa
--
Q: How many college students does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Five. One of them holds the bulb, and the others smoke till the
room starts turning.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Certification
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 17:39:57 -0500
Jake Taense wrote:
>
> In article <rJUM5.2520$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, VanPopering
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > list. All the computer classes
> >required - Great. but the prerequisites you have to take before them (all the
> > math, calculus, etc) has ABSOLUTELY
> >NOTHING to do with computers, networking, etc. THAT is a waste of time and
> > money. I've asked many Unix/Linux sys admin
> >and in every case they agreed. In a certification study on my own, Im spending
> > 100% of my time learning what I came
> >there for. Not taking Gym, Art, or Trig.
>
> Are you really that short-sighted?
>
> Yeah - if all you ever want to do is assemble exceedingly simple business
> rules, you can get away without math.
>
> Now do something that actually requires serious computing power. Say, for
> instance, what I do. The company I work for is the most heavily computerized
> and complicated oil pipeline in the world. 16 individual lines, tank farms,
> feeder pipelines... it's a nightmare to schedule, and the software I work with
> on a daily basis has to deal with scada systems, densitometers, etc. because
> oil volume/density and flow coefficients change with temperature among other
> things. We schedule up to 70 days out, and the time computations (and the
> accompanying simulation engine calculations) are exceedingly complicated.
>
> Now, as a programmer, how can I hope to model these things without some
> math/calculus/physics knowledge? Do you want to be another widget-jockey, or
> do you want to tackle something that is actually difficult to accomplish?
>
> If all you ever want to do is write another e-mail client, or a simple
> tracking system, you can get away without it - although the algorithms you
> learn in those additional courses would be invaluable. But if you want to
> program something complicated, you need the math.
>
> On second thought - you go right ahead. You don't need it. The more
> widget-jockeys there are, the easier it is for an actual programmer to find a
> good job.
...And get paid EXTREMELY highly at the expense of the widget-jockies.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 6 Nov 2000 23:42:16 +0100
Christopher Smith wrote:
>"Stefan Ohlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>I think it's a flaw by design. The default behaviour is wrong.
>The default behaviour is to pop up a warning box that says "save".
>
Was that default also when ILOVEYOU.txt.vbs was spreading? If it was
it was not enough.
There are several possible reasons for this. Number one is nag, nag nag.
It asks about every single file type every time until you tell it to stop.
Then it doesn't say anything about that file type any more. So the user
got tired of it warning for harmless files like pictures and didn't
believe the warning any more. It's like the boy who cried wolf. When the wolf
really came no one believed him.
It's good that Outlook warns, but handling of scripts should be completely
disabled until enabled, and then it should ask the questions, and only for
files that really are potentially dangerous.
>>>>Clearly, its negative sides outweigh the
>>>>positive sides as demonstrated by the ILOVEYOU.txt.vbs thing.
>>>The negative sides are stupid people will lose their data. This
>>>particular
>>>afflication also applies to programs like "rm". Should we remove "rm"
>>>because stupid people might delete their files ?
>>I don't buy that as a parallel to the Outlook problem. Rm's only purpose
>>is to delete files. Outlook was never meant to do that.
>You are implying that programs that cause Bad Things to happen to Stupid
>People should not be allowed.
>
I don't mean that. Not at all. However, the programs should behave Sensibly
and prevent Accidents. You don't have to be stupid to click through a
requester that you shouldn't have.
>Well, I daresay rm has caused more Bad Things to happen that Outlook could
>ever dream of.
>
I have deleted important files by accident. I have restored them from backup
and/or recovered them through a safeguard in the file system I use.
Basically it deletes the file but keeps a reference in a directory called
.deldir so it can be copied back if nothing has overwritten the physical
sectors it used yet.
There is a diffrence between rm and Outlook. Rm is meant to delete files,
Outlook is not.
>>>>Unix companies have alreadly learned this lesson and has this feature
>>>>disabled.
>>>Bullshit. I can pipe a script attachment containing "rm -rf /*" to
>>>/bin/sh
>>>from Pine 4.21. If I'm not mistaken that's a fairly recent version.
>>You can specificially pipe it, yes. But that rm does not get run, by
>>default, if you choose to display the attachment. In Outlook, if you
>>choose to display (open) the attachment it _will_, by default, be run.
>
>When you do the exact same thing you do anywhere else in Windows (double
>click on an icon) it does the exact same thing it does everywhere else in
>Windows (launch whatever default handler is specified).
>
That is the core of the problem. The border between secure and insecure
gets blurred. Things coming from a place as untrustable as the Internet
_must_ be handled differently.
>By double clicking that icon, the user is telling outlook to open that icon.
>Nothing is different about the way they'd open that icon at any other time.
>This is exactly the same as piping something out of a mail program - I
>wouldn't expect the mailer to act differently to some other program when I
>piped content out of it.
>
No. When you pipe (via Pine for example) you say _specifically_ what program
is to take care of the attachment. When you doubleclick on the icon in
Outlook you have _no control_ over where it goes. Unless you're an admin
and have altered the registry to suit.
The equivalent to a pipe would be Rightclick->SendTo->program
Why? Because there is no default pipe. You always have to tell it where
to go.
>>Allright, all handing off of scritps to the *shell* should be
>>disabled by default.
>How do you decide what a script is ?
>
Interesting dilemma. It would have to have some sort of table to look up in.
[...]
>>>It's "enabled" by default. I just opened up a message with an attachment
>>>in Pine and hit "|" then "/bin/sh" and it tried to pipe the attachment to
>>>sh.
>>That is _not_ the same thing. The equivalent in Outlook would be
>>something like: Right-click on the attachment, select "Sent To"
>>and "Windows Scripting Host". A very specific action.
>Not at all. When you double click an icon in Windows, you are "activating"
>it. That means whatever default behaviour is defined for that filetype will
>be performed.
>If you doubleclick some icon in Outlook, it is exactly the same as piping
>the attachment to some other handler program.
>
No. The action on double-click is pre-set per file type. The Pine-pipe
is not. You can pipe a jpeg file to /bin/sh if you want.
It won't do much good, but you can.
[...]
>>Convenience has its backsides, it seems. It's all about finding the right
>>balance I guess.
>Indeed. And IMHO this is one place where the balance is currently "good
>enough".
>
>Think about it for a while - if people are dumb enough to run a .vbs file
>called "ILOVEYOU" they get in their email, then they're more than dumb
>enough to run some random executable that gets emailed to them called
>"ILOVEYOU". The end result would have been _exactly_ the same and the
>fallout zone would have been only marginally smaller.
>
They most likely didn't know they ran a .VBS file. The full name was
ILOVEYOU.TXT.vbs. Windows hides extensions for known file types per default
so it appeared as ILOVEYOU.TXT. Hey, what's dangerous about a .txt file?
>How would you propose a mailer protect against that ?
>
Don't run it unless specifically enabled. Or better yet, don't run it at all.
>>>Which is a maintenance nightmare. Why should Outlook have to do this when
>>>no other program does?
>>For security reasons?
>It would be a total and utter waste of resources. See above for why.
>
Security is not a waste.
>>Granted. Downside is that you disable execution system-wide.
>>No double-clicking on script icons any more (unless you want to edit them
>>in Notepad of course). Personally, I'd disable it easy.
>You can, of course, define an alternate action (say, "Execute") that will
>appear on .vbs file context menus. Then you can just right click ->
>execute. It's nearly as quick. This is what we did where I work.
>
That is good. View on doubleclick, execute when selected specifically.
>>>>In Unix/Linux there is a mime-type list that is used for mail/news
>>>>programs, one could say it's global for the mail programs.
>>>And the browser and in KDE, IIRC, the shell.
>>The _shell_? Well, I've never used KDE, but I find that a bit odd.
>By shell in that context I mean the KDE GUI (whatever you want to call it)
>and not something like /bin/bash.
>
OK. I was relating to the Gnome terminal that has some nice features like
unterlining and making URL:s openable. It doesn't do anything with
mime-types though.
[...]
>I have *never* had a virus infect any of my systems. This is despite many
>years of BBSing, warez, irc and spectating the demoscene. I've received
>heaps in infected files, but I've never been infected.
>
In my very early days of BBSing I once had the bad luck. It was a link
type thing that was too new to be detected by the anti-virus program.
/Stefan
--
[ Stefan Ohlsson ] · http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95son/ · [ StrICQ# 17519554 ]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 17:40:41 -0500
Chad Mulligan wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:12:43 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > >Loren Petrich wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Hey, fuckwad....it's you goddamned fucking SOCIALISTS who advocate
> > > >> > extortion, not libertarians. You know....like, *you* *BETTER* pay
> > > >> > all of these taxes so that we can write checks to crack-whores and
> > > >> > their demon spawn....or else *YOU* are going to jail.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cry me a river.
> > > >
> > > >Nah. I think I'll just go down to a welfare office and set some
> > > >explosives...to go off about 2:00PM when it's good and crowded full
> > > >of both parasite welfare crack-whores and parasite welfare clerks.
> > >
> > > With any luck, they'll lock you up with the "crack whores" and their
> > > "demon spawn" for doing so ...
> >
> > You think I'm stupid enough to leave traceable evidence?
> >
> >
>
> Well you are stupid enough to consider this a viable option.....
heh heh heh heh
>
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Donovan
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
> > http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
> >
> >
> > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
> >
> > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > ...despite (C) above.
> >
> > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > her behavior improves.
> >
> > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 17:43:21 -0500
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Loren Petrich wrote:
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Hey, fuckwad....it's you goddamned fucking SOCIALISTS who advocate
> > > > extortion, not libertarians. You know....like, *you* *BETTER* pay
> > > > all of these taxes so that we can write checks to crack-whores and
> > > > their demon spawn....or else *YOU* are going to jail.
> > > Cry me a river.
> > Nah. I think I'll just go down to a welfare office and set some
> > explosives...to go off about 2:00PM when it's good and crowded full
> > of both parasite welfare crack-whores and parasite welfare clerks.
>
> And when you get caught, don't forget to do your best Ollie North
> imitation. Let's see how much sympathy you can get.
>
> And don't forget to write a book while in jail about what you wish
> the US to be like. Let's see what to call it ... "My Struggle"?
How about this one instead.
"LOREN PETRICH
The story of a frustrated highschool outcast, who, as an adult,
now seeks the establishment of a totalitarian state so that he can
get *revenge* on his former classmates"
>
> > > At least Mr. Kulkis is not an accountant.
> > Correct. I do something USEFUL for a living.
>
> ???
>
> The problem with Mr. Kulkis being an accountant is that he'd likely
> apply the same accounting principles in his job that he does to the US
> Government.
Got nonsequitors?
>
> --
> Loren Petrich
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> And a fast train
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I think I'm in love.....
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 17:49:25 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > Why are you rebooting all the time?
> >
> > Get it up and LEAVE IT UP. It's not fucking crash-happy windows, you
> > know.
>
> Two reasons.
>
> It's a home PC. I don't leave it switched on all the time.
>
> It's a dual boot machine. I prefer to use Windows because it has more of
> what I want on it.
Then just get VMWare, and run LoseDOS as a Linux process.
Now that VMWare is available, dual-booting is for losers.
>
> > > Perhaps I should use Windows, after all it works!
> >
> > for about 6 hours
>
> I rarely reboot my Windows 98 SE at work. That stays up for about nine
Of course...exactly how many man-years did it take the Windows support
group to discover a set of applications which won't crash the machine?
When I was at Kmart, there was a whole group of 10 people devoted
to testing if a new program could be safely loaded on the same machine
with other needed applications.
Why? Because Microsoft's concept of stability is WAY below
that tolerated by their customers.
> hours, then I switch it off to go home. We have a server running Windows 98
> SE which is up for weeks before it gets rebooted for whatever reason.
>
> You want to say that Windows 98 SE crashes every time after six hours,
> that's your privilege, however it is simply not true.
>
> > What are you doing wrong?
>
> How the hell should I know?
>
> --
> Pete Goodwin
>
> Just waiting for Linux to get there...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 17:53:12 -0500
Toon Afish wrote:
>
> Based on what I read here, it beats the hell out of me. But how does your
> salary relate to your original comment? Is there some connection?
Yes. Sitting at my desk, I can perform administration on machines
downstairs...AND on machines in california and florida simultaneously.
This means that all of those remote locations don't need anybody beyond
basic operator skills.
Meanwhile, back at the NT ranch...every site needs it's own NT babysitter.
>
> FWIW, I don't pay my Eunuchs admins any more than my MS admins. Same job,
> same BS, same pay. A competent network admin will get the job done
> regardless of whether it's UNIX or Windows.
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Toon Afish wrote:
> > >
> > > George Custer felt the same way about all those Indians. All he could
> see
> > > was savages. Now Gen. Custer and your brain have much in common. Both
> dead.
> > >
> >
> > And yet, I make 3x as much as Microcrash admins.
> >
> > Why is that?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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