Linux-Advocacy Digest #706, Volume #28 Mon, 28 Aug 00 11:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: GUI vs Command Line: The useless war ("Sly")
Re: NETCRAFT: I'm confused ("Andreas Pfotenhauer")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Windows stability(Memory Comparison) ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (david
raoul derbes)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Forrest Gehrke)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chad Irby)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Craig
Kelley)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Just converted ("Christophe Ochal")
Re: GUI vs Command Line: The useless war (Brian Langenberger)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane.. (Tim Kelley)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Craig Kelley)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Sly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GUI vs Command Line: The useless war
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:23:25 -0400
Agreed. But I don't mean this in a condescendant way. I used "thoutghtless
users" on purpose, and not "dumb users" like we often see. Some people just
don't care about it and that's OK. I don't care about my car engine, and
I'll never will. That doesn't make me a dumb driver. The same applies to
computers. Some people couldn't care less about what happens in the
background.
If Linux must gain some grounds over Windows, it'll have to be totally
transparent to the average Windows user. I don't think the avereage Windows
user will ever migrate to Linux otherwise. All Linux users, even people like
me who started from scatch with no Unix or Linux experience whatsoever, is
definitely NOT the average Windows user. There's room for everyone, and
distributions targeted at more interested users will always be around. But
let's not be selfish. I think even the average Joe deserves to use Linux.
Even if we have to make a totally transparent Linux version just for him.
"Raul Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message news:
2%Mp5.74$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> While I am fully agree to your points, I think that most users
> do not want anything but a "Please wait ..." window, perhaps it
> could be a configurable option ? (I mean, to show things or not).
>
>
>
------------------------------
From: "Andreas Pfotenhauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NETCRAFT: I'm confused
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:26:35 +0100
In article <ldfq5.7878$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Nico Coetzee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Every now and then some M$ preacher refers to netcraft for this or that
>> stat. Well, am I the only one that find it strange that Apache is the
>> only platform currently with a obvious positive trendline? Even the M$
>> line has a downward curve since just before 2000.
>
> Actually, netcrafts survey is not a very accurate representation. Since
> the advent of "domain squating", there are companies that own literally
> 10's of thousands of domains that all point to the same "You can buy
> this domain" page on the same server. This really skews the statistics.
shure this can screw up stats, but how do you come to the conclusion that
these are all apache ???
[...]
> No, not really. If you look at it the correct way, you see that Linux
> is not the dominant OS platform. Most IIS sites are single user sites
> (though there are a few big multi-host sites on IIS). We don't know how
> many of those Linux sites are really the same site with a different
> domain. *IF*
same question: how do come to these numbers ?
greets from germany
Andreas
------------------------------
From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:38:15 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Eric Bennett in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
> >
> >> The point is that they should, and they aren't even paying anywhere
near
> >> as much as their tax bracket base percentage indicates, while the
middle
> >> and lower income people generally do.
> >
> >Really? Count your standard deduction and personal exemption and that's
> >$7000 tax free. If you make $21,000 and have no dependents, a third of
> >your income is tax-free right off the bat. Now let's say you make
> >$80,000... where do you come up with $24,000 in itemized deductions?
>
> The question is where do I come up with $7000, not $24,000. And I
> don't; I generally come up with about $3000, but my goal is not to
> minimize the amount I contribute to society. Most others in my shoes
> might easily pay a crafty accountant to shave another $4K off my tax
> bill, through whatever means necessary.
LOL This demonstrates that you have absolutely no clue Max.
I will now reach over and pull out an old tax form.
Lets assume you don't itemize for simplicity sake Max, and because your a
simpleton.
How "crafty" do you have to be determine that Married filing jointly
automatically gives you a tax deduction of $7100.00 Head of houshold =
$6250. This doesn't include the 2700 you get for dependents (including
yourself).
You are lying again arent you?
You cannot possibly expect anyone to believe you can only manage to come up
with 3000 in deductions when the standard deduction is double that. Unless
you file long form but don't deduct anything your a liar in my opinion.
>
> >Last year, I reported more income than $21000, but was still in the 15%
> >bracket, and I paid 10.6% of my "total income" (1040, line 22) as tax.
> >So I'm only paying 2/3 of what my bracket base percentage indicates.
> >You think most people in the top bracket do you think are paying much
> >less than 2/3 of their base percentage, or 26%, to the feds?
>
> You're flipping facilely back and forth between amounts and percentages
> so fast, I can't tell what would be an equitable burden. I know I pay a
> higher percentage now then when I made less than $21,000, though my
> actual dollar amount is, of course, much higher than it was then. And
> given the amount of civil support which I feel to be necessary and
> sufficient (by presumption, which, lacking a control country and a
> duplicate T. Max, is all I can do) to support me in earning my
> livelihood, I wouldn't complain if it was quite a bit more. I think
> most who do complain are merely ignorant or unconcerned with the civil
> support on which they unknowingly or unethically base their accumulation
> of wealth.
Yea...you pay more taxes out of a sense of civil duty, because it's the only
thing that could happen now that your proven wrong and can't admit
it.....you a liar in my opinion.
------------------------------
From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows stability(Memory Comparison)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:45:55 GMT
Hey Erik.... please *READ* what i wrote, i do take X windows AND! KDE in the
comparison;-
and what what about workstation...?
same thing there.. Win2k hogs on a lot more memory than Linux, doesnt matter
how you twist it.
Indexing? well i havent activate that one for that matter AND changed some
other Win2k services to "manually" (thought that would make a difference in
win2k:s memory hog ;-))
You cant have much experience with Linux if you persist that the two system
would be equals in amounts of memory usage.
/IL
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:Memq5.7916$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Soiq5.2091$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > BULLSHIT!!
> >
> > I've have Win2k and SuSE 6.4 on my PC, IIS5 on Win2k(ftp,smtp and www
> > servers),-
> > on the Linux part i have Apache, WuFTP and (of course) Sendmail up and
> > running + X Windows with KDE.
> >
> > At bootup Linux have taken 35 MB, Win2k has taken 75 MB (????)
>
> *WORKSTATION*, not server. While technically Gnome and KDE are
> applications, they provide the desktop environment you get when running
> Windows, so you need to add that in when comparing similarly configured
> systems. Additionally, Windows 2000 provides many services running by
> default that you don't have running, such as an indexing service.
>
>
>
> > /IL
> >
> > > Linux Workstations take up the same amount of memory as Windows does
if
> > you
> > > configure them similarly (running X with applications like Netscape,
> KDE,
> > > etc..).
>
>
>
------------------------------
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david raoul derbes)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:55:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
C Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > You've never heard of the "working poor", have you? Look it up.
>> Any body in the United States who "works hard" and has even the
>> slightest clue about
>> a) saving money vs. spending habits
>> and
>> b) the fluidity of the job market (i.e. you can always go get a
>> NEW job if don't like what you're getting paid.).
>> Those who are the working poor are either
>> a) too stupid to save money (they blow it on shit they can't afford)
>> and/or
>> b) too lazy to find a better paying job.
>
>Another republican living in an ivory tower.
>When you work a full-time job and *still* can't afford to pay the rent,
>you're among the working poor. Some even have *two* full-time jobs and are
>barely capable of making ends meet. Not because of laziness. Not because
>they have expencive habits or do drugs or buy crap they can't afford, but
>simply because they don't get paid very much. When you have two full-time
>jobs, you don't have the time to go looking for a better job. In fact,
>those one or two jobs might be the only ones you could get. Not everybody
>has a rich daddy who could pay for college. Not everybody qualifies for a
>scholarship. And not everybody had a life situation that allowed them to
>get a proper education. Life is tough on some people whetehr they deserve
>it or not.
>
>You need to get out more.
According to today's Chicago Tribune, 40% of all college teaching is done
by part-time faculty.
These guys (and for two years, I was among them) are typically paid between
$1800-$3900 a course. A typical professor's course load is no more than
three a semester, and often two. If these part-timers ("adjuct faculty")
do three a semester, they wind up with a rollicking 18K a year. For the
same work, professors average 54K.
So, these abused and exploited part-timers fly from one campus to another
to teach four or five courses every semester, and perhaps earn a living wage.
They are also attempting to unionize, but curiously, every time a part-timer
is recognized as a union spokesperson, she or he strangely fails to be
re-hired (after a period of six to ten years when the contracts came
in like clockwork.) The Feds are investigating many complaints, but I
doubt much will change in the short term.
My suspicion is that a bunch of these people will suddenly realize that
there is a tremendous shortage of high school teachers, and bail. At
that point, the market will force university bean-counters to recognize
that they can no longer get away with pretending to pay talent, and the
salaries paid to part-timers will skyrocket. As, of course, will tuition.
Here we have a fair number of highly educated people (most with Ph.D.'s)
who are working their asses off, and barely scraping by. True, they don't
have to do this work, but I think most of us would call it work that
is worth doing, and in the best interests of the country.
It's hard to imagine these circumstances extending indefinitely into the
future, that smart, committed people would continue to work for chickenfeed.
Idealism lasts only until your kid needs new shoes.
David Derbes [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>--
>
>C Lund
>http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
------------------------------
From: Forrest Gehrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:00:10 GMT
josco wrote.
> It is far cheaper to build more offensvie missles than it is to build the
> defense capability. The arms race would bankrupt anyone building the defensive
> capability.
Like the USSR was bankrupted just because they were afraid we'd build
a defensive capability?
//
------------------------------
From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:10:26 -0300
"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
>
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> >>
> >> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
> >> [...]
> >> >> GNOME was a reaction to the licence of libqt. It's basically
> >> >> "KDE without the commercial library underneath". There are
> >> >> other personal difference beyond that but that was the initial
> >> >> motivation.
> >> >
> >> >And still, that doesn't say anything close to "KDE is a directly
> >> >commercial venture".
> >>
> >> Well, yes it does, Roberto. Does QT pay your salary?
> >
> >Qt is software, so no, Qt doesn't pay my sallary. If you are
> >really asking whether TT pays my sallary, no, they don't pay
> >my sallary, I already told you who pays my sallary.
>
> You mentioned it briefly,
Twice.
> and have only said that you'd already
> identified it every other time its come up.
Actually, I gave the URL twice.
> But I notice you also
> changed your sig to remove the affiliation with KDE.
I write the sig for each message. I put or don't put
(KDE developer, MFCH) there according to whim and
whether the message is KDE related. I occasionally
put other stuff there, as well.
> I'm more concerned
> over who pays TT's "salary" than with who pays yours.
TT is a company, so it doesn't have a sallary.
But if you are asking about TT's revenue, I
suppose it comes from sales of Qt prefessional edition, as
I already told you.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, there you have it)
------------------------------
From: Chad Irby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:16:17 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Chad Irby, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> Reagan was bribing them how exactly? Iran-Contra was about what
> >> happend whilst Ronnie was in office, not while Carter was.
> >
> >Actually, a lot of what evolved into "Iran-Contra" had its foundations
> >laid while Reagan was still trying to get elected. The gist is that
> >some folks went to Iran and told them that if they held onto the
> >hostages until after the election, Iran would get some financial and
> >military concessions after Reagan got in.
>
> That was the claim by certain foaming at the mouth types, but there
> wasn't actually any evidence presented.
Actually, there was quite a bit, including direct evidence of trips to
and from Iran and the Middle East by folks who had no business making
those trips at the time. There was also the transfer of arms to Iran
after Reagan's election.
The "foaming at the mouth types" were the hard-core right-wingers doing
the denying...
--
Chad Irby \ My greatest fear: that future generations will,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] \ for some reason, refer to me as an "optimist."
------------------------------
From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:30:12 -0300
"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
>
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> >>
> >> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> >> [...]
> >> >Neither are they required to pay TT (not Qt) a licensing fee now in
> >> >order to benefit from Linux. Max, you have no idea of what you are
> >> >talking about (again).
> >>
> >> And you, Roberto, are still trying to avoid correcting the matter. Are
> >> you so incapable of grasping abstractions that you cannot substitute
> >> "QT" for "the commercial entity responsible for QT"?
> >
> >Are you so incapable of dealing wuith reality that you can't see a
> >company and a product are not the same thing, and keep on using
> >the wrong one?
>
> Well, when I'm talking about payments, which cannot accrue to a piece of
> software, either one is an obvious reference to the company, so what
> difference does it make, unless you're trying to be pedantically
> obfuscating?
The company could make money from other products. The product could
generate money for other companies. There is no one-one link
between them.
And since correcting your stupid ways is so easy, why don't you do it
instead of whining?
--
Roberto Alsina
------------------------------
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 Aug 2000 08:27:23 -0600
"Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > That private school gets to pick who it accepts, right? Will it take
> > kids with serious learning disabilities? Behavioral/emotional problems?
> > Below average intelligence? You can't just leave these people out of the
> > system; if you don't do your best to educate them they'll only be even
> > more of a burden on society later.
>
> My kids' old school took a number of below average students and a few
> with behavioral problems. They also offered scholarships to a number of
> kids and had a policy not to turn down kids who were otherwise
> acceptable but couldn't afford to pay.
That's impossible. Only the federal government cares about disabled
children, private citizens only want to trample them on their way to
the top.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
------------------------------
From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:35:05 -0300
"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
>
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> [...]
> >> Just to show you how capricious my sentiment can be when given a steady
> >> stream of information, I'll tell you that twenty minutes ago, I might
> >> have.
> >
> >Lost your honesty window? Dammit!
>
> No, just my gullibility window.
Shame they seem to match.
> [...]
> >Oh, right. Just because what you said is not true, it's no reason
> >to retract. How nice.
>
> Just because you claim it is not true is not reason for me to retract
> it. I notice you're not actually able to provide any reason for me to
> actually believe it is not true.
Well, read the part you deleted where you actually agree it is
not true.
> [...]
> >Requiring Qt for my software is a decision I make. It is a
> >technical decision. You are free to believe I am wrong, but
> >your opinion is worthless and ineffectual.
>
> I am a potential user of your software. If my opinion is worthless and
> ineffectual, so be it.
I am not obliged to my users in that way. I can easily tell a user
to fuck off, much easily can I tell a potential (yeah, sure) user
to fuck off.
> >> [...]
> >> >So, am I not a whore as you said I was? Wouldn't it be nice
> >> >of you to apologize for calling me that instead of deleting it?
> >>
> >> Sorry, the jury's still out on that one. Who pays your salary?
> >
> >As I told you, a linux company. Check the site where the URL
> >I gave you before is located. If you want it again, the
> >site is www.conectiva.com.ar (but www.conectiva.com is
> >probably better for you).
>
> "A linux company"?
> What the hell does that mean?
A company that does business with Linux.
> Troll Tech is "a linux company".
No. They are a GUI toolkit company, and their business
is based on almost any unix, and win32 variants of windows.
> Why are you so reticent to explain your fiscal
> entanglements?
I just told you who pays my sallary, and gave you a URL
to see what we do. What else do you want? I may even give
it to you.
What are your fiscal entanglements?
--
Roberto Alsina
------------------------------
From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just converted
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:57:04 +0200
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
8o7s4k$c5u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<cut>
> At the same time though, Windows can't even begin to think about
considering
> touching
> Linux's haardware support. Linux supports more hardware than modern
Windows
> can ever hope to touch. No matter what size system you need Linux is
there!
> Where is Windows?
Hmm, maybe you know how i can get my ATI XPERT2000 AGP to work with Xfree?
(serious Q. couldn't find anything on www.xfree.net (or what was that url
again?)
<cut>
Amon_Re
------------------------------
From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GUI vs Command Line: The useless war
Date: 28 Aug 2000 14:30:50 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: OSguy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> Raul Iglesias wrote:
:>
:> > While I am fully agree to your points, I think that most users
:> > do not want anything but a "Please wait ..." window, perhaps it
:> > could be a configurable option ? (I mean, to show things or not).
:>
:> Actually, I think the public wants a "Please Wait, I'm X% finished,
:> and
:> should be finished in X minutes" windows.
:>
: After years of Windoze experience, I doubt that I'd trust a progress
: bar. I've done stuff in MS Access that has gone to 99% in under a
: minute and then stayed at 99% for hours before completing.
Inaccurate progress bars are a pain, but I think that one done
accurately and with even more information would be a big plus.
For instance, what if instead of just "% done" and "time remaining",
it also listed the amount of files transferred, the amount of bytes
moved and the current K/sec the transfer is moving at. I think
that's the sort of GUI use that original poster was advocating
and I think it's a pretty good idea.
------------------------------
From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:37:52 -0300
"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
>
> Said Lee Hollaar in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>Said Lee Hollaar in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>>> (For some reason, I keep losing track of where to look up
> >>>>the statute, so I can't check at the moment.)
> >>>
> >>>A good source is the version supplied by the Library of Congress'
> >>>Copyright Office --
> >>>
> >>> http://www.loc.gov/copyright/title17/
> >>
> >>For some reason, this site is *outrageously* slow to get resolved on my
> >>system. I'd tried it before, and gave up after a couple minutes (well,
> >>probably more like 80 seconds). This time I stuck it out, and I've now
> >>bookmarked it. Thanks.
> >
> >I'm sure there are other sites that have the copyright statute. I like
> >that one because it's run by the agency that handles copyright matters.
> >
> >But for the full US Code, you can go to --
> > http://www.law.cornell.edu/statutes.html
> >
> >And there are other sites, I'd guess.
>
> Well, shit, I'd "guess", too.
We all know your guesses are usually shit, Max.
--
Roberto Alsina (below-the-belt-day)
------------------------------
From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane..
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:31:48 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Use Linux?
>
> Yea sure, and I would love to drive that 1975 Chrysler you have sitting in your
> garage.
Look, Steve/Heather/Claire/Keys88 (now "billy") whatever-you-are,
you need to adopt a DIFFERENT WRITING STYLE for each of your 37
personalities. Otherwise, what's the point?
I give this troll an F. Try again.
--
Tim Kelley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 Aug 2000 08:38:21 -0600
"paul snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Some of these things have to be configured together. And I need them on
> platforms other than NeXT and Mac. And I need to gather all the decision
> points made during installs, and perhaps coordiante them with other installs
> on different machines.
>
> Sure, it isn't clear from the list I gave you. But I could have listed
> Websphere advanced, with an Oracle adaptor, MQSeries client and server, DB2
> server and client, along with DB2 Everywhere for our handhelds, Version X of
> the C++ compiler, the proper JDK, DCE server, and DCE clients, etc. across
> four NT Boxes, the firewalls (with the proper ports punched, and the ORB
> configured to use them).
Then this really wouldn't be a Linux installer, but rather some sort
of meta installer that knows how to write native installers for
various OSes (ie, you're never going to be a part of the Windows world
unless you use InstallShield [think SMS]).
> Simple installs (Such as NeXT-style bundles) would be a huge improvement
> over what I generally have to deal with. Still, it wouldn't resolve the
> bigger picture.
Sure it would: Just get everyone to use NeXT-style bundles.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 15:03:43 GMT
On 28 Aug 2000 08:27:23 -0600, Craig Kelley wrote:
>"Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> My kids' old school took a number of below average students and a few
>> with behavioral problems. They also offered scholarships to a number of
>> kids and had a policy not to turn down kids who were otherwise
>> acceptable but couldn't afford to pay.
>
>That's impossible. Only the federal government cares about disabled
>children, private citizens only want to trample them on their way to
>the top.
I believe he is talking about a Catholic school. Catholics are IME known to
display a social conscience from time to time, so this doesn't really
surprise me.
--
Donovan
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.advocacy) via:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Advocacy Digest
******************************
