Linux-Advocacy Digest #706, Volume #32 Thu, 8 Mar 01 16:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Computing Power to Peak SOON! (WAS: Moore's Law, continued...) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft screws itself again! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Is Bill Gates MAD?!?!? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: What does IQ measure? (The Danimal)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: KDE or GNOME? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Sun Blade 100 (Donn Miller)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The Double Fucking ala MS... (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Is Bill Gates MAD?!?!? (Mike Martinet)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computing Power to Peak SOON! (WAS: Moore's Law, continued...)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:52:01 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Ian Pulsford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : So does Intel's.
>
> They can still make the Pentium Plateau, but the price will drop and they
> won't need to build an even costlier fabricating plant for a faster chip. I
> suspect the watercooled chips will end up in the servers with the last
> aircooled chips in the last desktops.
>
> : Sooner or later we'll have fast asynchronous CPUs that are more power
> : efficient than current synchronous processors, and no doubt other
> : advances to keep the ball rolling.
>
> Then, there's the Moore's Law corollary. As you widen the bus, integrating
> dual CPUs, the cost of fabrication continues to escalate. The flawed chip loss
> rate will be ridiculous. At some point - and soon - chips won't be able to go
> faster but will have to improve by an ever-widening bus. 64-bit is soon, and
> that means all the more transistors to shove onto the same real estate. And
> more transistors, despite being smaller, means you hit that heat-fluc-per-
> unit-real-estate limit all the same. A good move is at the aircool 32-bit
> limit, switch to watercool 64-bit. From that point, it's bigger tracts of real
> estate per chip.
>
> The latest Pentium v.4.0 chips are dissipating 40 watts of heat as they run.
> Look at that CPU in your computer. The 486SX 25 had no fins. The Pentium v.1.0
> 75MHZ does. The Pentium v.2.0 at 233MHZ has a fan plus fins. See the pattern?
> Speed dissipates heat. Even if Intel made a "Pentium Insane!" with liquid
Close. Speed CREATES heat.
Surfaces dissipate heat.
> helium, before that the temperature gradient in the wafer itself would crack
> it. The heat limit is merely coming faster than the molecular limit.
>
> It wouldn't surprise me if the 1GHZ Pentium v.4.0 (the "80986") has the fins
> and a forced draft blower to cool it or peltier junctions plus forced draft
> blower. I bet the Pentium v.5.0 ("801086" aka "decium") will either be
> watercool or be pushing the edges of the envelope on aircool. The first
> watercool chip warns thar the end of the line on the desktop is coming fast.
>
> As cooling requirements - which does not follow Moore's Law - worsen and
> costlier chips arrive, consumers will see that the upgrade-go-round was a
> scam. Microsoft depends on Moore's Law as much as it does Copyright. Once
> Moore's Law is repealed on the desktop, it's Game Over for a LOT of players.
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:53:00 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Donovan Rebbechi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : Why should the operating system go down in price ? Has it
> : become cheaper to design and write operating systems ?
>
> Yes. Mass distribution and cheap H1-B imported labour.
By definition, H1-B visa holders must be paid ***ABOVE***
the 50th percentile for their job classification.
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft screws itself again!
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 15:04:08 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Mike Martinet ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : Actually, there's a thing called a Thermoelectric Cooler or TEC. It's a
> : nifty device about the size of a chip that can easily fit on the back of
> : a microprocessor. It runs current backwards through itself to remove
> : heat which results in cooling. (I don't pretend to know how it *really*
> : works, that's just the explanation I was given.) Stick it to a chip,
> : strap a normal heatsink and fan on its back, feed it 12vdc and you'll
> : effectively lower the surface temp of the chip dozens of degrees,
> : depending on the initial heat, of course.
>
> : Pretty cool! ;)
>
> The overclocker community already know about peltier junctions and already use
> it when they want some insane overclocking. After I posted the start of this
> thread, I got curious and found the overclock newsgroup. Like my prediction,
> they already use watercooling and watercooled peltier cooling for the craziest
> designs. It's safe to say that the writing is on the wall, complete with
> Pentium knock-offs like Thunderbird chips that do a GHZ with watercooling.
>
> Check out alt.comp.hardware.overclocking and http://www.overclockers.com about
> my too-late prediction. Most of them use Windows to play games on, probably
> only becuse the best games are on Windows, and they have to o/c to get decent
> performance. Pretty sad actually that people have to resort to this becuse of
> bloatware.
Now you can make a windows machine that crashes 5x as fast as a normal one :-)
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:01:23 +0100
Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lars Träger wrote:
> >
> > Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Lars Träger wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > A properly working OS will prevent the crashing app from
> > > > > corrupting the rest of the system.
> > > >
> > > > So some versions/distributions of Linux are not a properly working OS.
> > > >
> > >
> > > But UNLIKE Windows, those linux distributions are PROPERLY labelled as
> > > 'development' versions....NOT "ready for prime time" like M$ does.
> >
> > Suse 6.0 is not labled a "development version", more importantly it
> > isn't. Still I know of one app that has a bug which will kill the system
> > a few minutes after it is encountered (and the app isn't killed by
> > hand). Ready for prime time my ass.
>
> strange that you won't mention what this bug is.
>
> why is that?
Why don't you try to find out yourself? Everything involved is
opensourced, so it should be easy to find the bug ;-)
Anyway, the info given should enable a "Unix Systems Engineer" what was
the problem, esp. when I tell you I did talk about it on usenet. If you
*still* can't figure it out...
Lars T.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows...
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:14:35 GMT
In article <986gpk$bl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > Only if you consider writing to the registry (and probably to a users
> > private space) a dangerous operation. Mostly it isn't.
>
> You can really bugger up an NT system by writing crap to the registry.
You can bugger up any system if you trash its configuration files.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:18:36 GMT
In article <986fdf$n81$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Actually they have everything to do with it. You simply do not
> understand the gimp, postscript OR printing under linux at all.
I understand enough to know it's broken.
> I see youre still blaming other people for your own extreme idiocy,
> pete.
I'm to blame because a system is broken? Could it not be the fault of the
system designers, and not mine?
> And yet there are mounds of people still trying desparately to
> explain things to you in very small words so that you can be sure
> to understand, yet for some reason, you never actually understand.
I understand well enough to see you're not listening to a word I say.
> EVERYONE isnt wrong, pete. You are.
I'm not saying everyong is wrong. Pay attention. I'm saying The Gimp is
wrong.
--
Pete
All your no fly zone are belong to us
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is Bill Gates MAD?!?!?
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:31:02 GMT
In England
I seen the use of "traffic circles"
At first it seem not a straigt forward method of moving traffic, and
turning off.
Watching the traffic flow shows that it appeared to be quicker and
safer to turn off left or right, or just go around and work yourself
into the correct lane to take the road you want.
Generally there would be three roads connected to a traffic circle.
On 16 Jan 2001 01:40:46 GMT, "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: We have a lot of those in Detroit....major thoroughfares are turned
>: into boulevards...and to make a left-turn ONTO one of them, you have
>: to do a right, and then do a U-turn through the median.
>
>
>According to the folks on misc.transport.roads, that is called a
>"Michigan Left," and is somewhat different than a jughandle, although
>both serve a similar purpose.
>
>
>: Actually, it does keep the throughput on the main roads quite high.
>
>
>That's the purpose.
>
>Wish we had them here in the Cleveland area, which has a fourth of
>metro Detroit's population and damn near 100% of its traffic mess,
>especially in the suburbs.
>
>
>
>Joe
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:19:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> And has been noted *dozens* of times, some Windows applications do the
> exact same thing.
And as I have already pointed out, none of the one's I use do anything of
the sort.
--
Pete
All your no fly zone are belong to us
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 15:24:23 -0500
From: The Danimal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Stephen Jay Gould's socialist polemic doesn't count, because
> Stephen Jay Gould is a biologist, not an intelligence researcher.
Gould is particularly funny because when he is arguing against
creationists he points out that most of them have training in
fields other than biology or paleontology (for example: engineering)
and they don't actually do any research relevant to biology, but instead
they comb through the literature (especially the older literature)
looking for small discrepancies they can use to cast doubt on
the whole enterprise.
Creationists tend to ignore everything that has happened since
Piltdown Man when they "refute" evolution. Gould decries this, and
yet when Gould is applying his hard-left politics to the scientific
findings on human intelligence he stoops to exactly the same tactics,
going after errors that were old news when our grandparents were born.
In some cases recent research has shown that the early findings were
largely correct and are reproducible today with more accurate
methods (for example, craniometry via MRI). Gould handles that simply
by ignoring it.
Imagine trying to evaluate the sciences of physics or chemistry by
looking only at data from the 18th century (close to the birth of
these disciplines as sciences).
> > logical/analytical style intelligence, but intelligence is far more wide
> > ranging than that. I'm not sure human intelligence can truly be measured by
> > groupings of checkboxes, if it were that easy we would have created
> > intelligent machines long ago,
We can measure the mass of the Sun. Can we create another Sun?
We can measure Bill Gates' net worth. Can the person who does
this become as rich as Bill Gates?
You can count the number of characters in an MD5 checksum. Can
you reproduce the original document from that?
Nature is full of one-way information transfers, where some
information gets lost along the way and reconstructing the
original information is exceedingly difficult. Generally this
requires some sort of search algorithm with exponential
runtime.
> > all these things can truly measure is certain
> > aspects of intelligence.
>
> http://www.sciam.com/specialissues/1198intelligence/1198gottfred.html
Great article.
--- the Danimal
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:21:58 GMT
In article <986gn1$bd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Your claims included but were not limited to that. In your ignorance, you
> continued to make many erroneous claims about the printing system under
> Linux. I attempted to correct these mistakes, but you refused to listen
> and carried on spouting the same old crap over and over and over again.
Because your corrections were not germain to the matter at hand.
> Since you started making erroneous claims, my explanations were relavent.
> If you look back, that is where and why I joined the thread.
See above.
> I'm not bored of repeating myself. For some reason, you can not accept or
> will not accept that every app should print postscript by default
That's precisely my point. I couldn't care less if it uses Postscript,
Forth, Java or your-favourite-language-of-the-week. The Gimp does
something different. How can this be on a decent, up to date OS?
--
Pete
All your no fly zone are belong to us
------------------------------
From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:22:48 GMT
In article <9882ri$4a7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Save yourself. He has no understanding of the system and absoloutely will
> not learn.
I could say the same about you. You're not _listening_ to what I've been
saying.
--
Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: KDE or GNOME?
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:59:37 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 6 Mar 2001 20:33:57 GMT...
...and Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:02:32 +0000, Matthias Warkus wrote:
> >It was the 6 Mar 2001 08:06:06 GMT...
>
> >Not a KDE invention. Ever checked out gsh? And I suppose the idea
> >existed even before gsh.
>
> Haven't seen gsh. Does it ship with the main GNOME dist ?
It's not a GNOME program; actually, it's written in Tcl.
mawa
--
ICH WERDE ZUM TIER
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:25:29 -0300
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>> I'm not bored of repeating myself. For some reason, you can not accept or
>> will not accept that every app should print postscript by default
>
> That's precisely my point. I couldn't care less if it uses Postscript,
> Forth, Java or your-favourite-language-of-the-week. The Gimp does
> something different. How can this be on a decent, up to date OS?
That is an additional feature. If you want to do it the windows-way, don't
configure anything regarding printing in the gimp, and it will generate
postscript as any other app.
--
Roberto Alsina
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 15:26:50 -0500
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun Blade 100
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> And now that Compaq bought out digital they have sat on the Alpha chip
> doing fuck all development! Fuck, if I was Compaq and spent billions
> buying the bloody company, I would use the alpha technology to its full
> potential, instead, they are sitting on the alpha CPU and selling third
> rate 32bit servers to the stupid wintel crowd, never dominated by
> techno-people, but by CEOs and C*O's who want to suck bills cock instead
> of getting a decent server and setup.
True -- Compaq is a very sad excuse for a computer company. Also bear
in mind the fact that Compaq is selling crappy, watered-down OEM
versions of otherwise excellent Asus mobo's in their crappy Winternet
PC's, complete with crappy WinHW where ever appropriate. Good lord, it
had to be Compaq that "saved" digital. I sure someone comes along and
saves Digital. It was a fine company until Win-shit-HW maker Compaq
came along.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:28:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Thanks for your help, but I'm going to jettison this Mandrake stuff, it's
> just too stupid for words, or maybe I'm just too stupid for it...
I've finally got a copy of SuSE 7.1 Personal. I've only had it one day,
but it installed without any flaws and so far I only have one issue with
it.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:26:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> StarOffice 5.2 has its own drivers, or offers "system" drivers, I'm not
> sure which, but I suspect it has its own because a driver for my Epson
> Stylus Color doesn't appear on its list. In any event, the StarOffice test
> page just form feeds the paper, but prints nothing, so that's one Linux
> product that's useless for me... not surprising, I guess, if it doesn't
> have a driver for my printer and fails to route print data via CUPS.
So it gets worse. Instead of a unified approach to printing, a major
package does its own thing.
> LyX looks nice, but it also merely exercises the form feed motor. Looking
> at the documentation, it has a massively convoluted system for printing,
> which keeps the processor working flat out for several minutes, but all it
> produces is a blank page.
Another one.
> Are these Linux Oopsies, Mandrake Oopsies, StarOffice and LyX Oopsies, or
> my Oopsies????????
They are "Linux Oopsies" in that Linux does not provide a good enough
printing system, else why are all these applications re-inventing the
wheel? Did they think they could do better?
> In the Windows world, these apps wouldn't last five minutes if the user
> didn't get an intellegent output from File -> Print.
In the Windows world (at least on my PC), every app uses the same unified
approach to printing.
Why doesn't Linux?
This seems to be another example of where diversity works against you,
not for you.
--
Pete
All your no fly zone are belong to us
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:30:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Your oopsies. You need to setup your default printer. Most
> distributions will do that for you such that when you send PostScript
> to the printer it will be rendered and formatted for your particular
> printer. If you're printer isn't supported then there's nothing you
> can really do. If you're curious as to the how, please let us know
> what distribution you're using.
Hmmm... setting up the default printer is exactly when I installed Linux
Mandrake 7.2. Then The Gimp dumped a graphic as text (i.e. postscript) on
the printer.
> By the way: Which distribution ships CUPS as the standard spooler?
Linux Mandrake 7.2 does.
> In the Windows world the printer manufacturers write the drivers for
> Microsoft, whereas we have to do it by hand. It's one of those silly
> monopoly issues that we keep talking about.
In the Windows world there appears to be a unified printing model.
Constrast this with the chaos that appears in the Linux world.
--
Pete
All your no fly zone are belong to us
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:32:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> But if the standard Linux way of printing is to generate PostScript and
> modify the PostScript to suit the printer, why does it work sometimes and
> not others?
>
> Such that all the user should need to do is File -> Print.
Which is precisely what I've been "whining" (so-called) about all along.
What escapes me is why they can't see it.
--
Pete
All your no fly zone are belong to us
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: The Double Fucking ala MS...
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:33:59 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, H Dziardziel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:12:26 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:57:48 -0800, snoopygates
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>w2k just came out and they haven't sat down to fix the bugs. Now they are
>>forcing the new windows on us. When will it ever stop?
>>
>
>So how are "they forcing"? Who cares what 'they' come out with.
Unfortunately, the dead hand of economics. One issue, for example,
is that Word file format is a de facto standard, because it's almost
trivial to send a Word file using Microsoft LookOUT! ... erm,
I mean OutLook. Just drag and drop and hurl.
If you're very lucky, no viruses will ensue.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:33:14 GMT
In article <e5Jp6.24282$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> You can also fly to China and try to stop human rights abuses. Why don't
> you? Are you a coward or are you just lazy?
I dunno, you tell me.
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Pete
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From: Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Bill Gates MAD?!?!?
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:49:58 -0700
Steve Mading wrote:
> >
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > : Steve Mading wrote:
> > :>
> > :> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > :> : Steve Mading wrote:
> > :> :> Specify, what is it that is illegal?
> > :>
> > :> : You're not allowed to pump your own gas in New Jersey.
> > :>
> > :>
> > :> Can't pump your own gas??! That's just plain stupid - why?
> > :>
> >
> > : New Jersey and Colorado (?) have laws prohibiting "self serve" gas sales.
> >
> > That just repeats what was already said. My question was *why* this
> > is the case. I can't see it.
> Gas pumpers' union?
It's Oregon, not Colorado. And the answer I got when I asked the
attendant in Portland in shocked surprise was that it was for
safety/environmental reasons. Unions? In Nike's home state? That
would be ironic.
MjM
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