Linux-Advocacy Digest #707, Volume #28 Mon, 28 Aug 00 12:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: NETCRAFT: I'm confused ("Todd")
Re: NETCRAFT: I'm confused (Roberto Alsina)
Excerpt from - Open Source: The Unauthorized White Papers ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: GUI vs Command Line: The useless war (Tim Kelley)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Joe R.")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NETCRAFT: I'm confused
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:19:04 +0800
"Nico Coetzee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Every now and then some M$ preacher refers to netcraft for this or that
> stat. Well, am I the only one that find it strange that Apache is the
> only platform currently with a obvious positive trendline? Even the M$
> line has a downward curve since just before 2000.
>
> And Linux remain the dominant OS platform, no matter how you look at it.
>
> Don't you people find this funny?
What I find funny is that according to IDC, 80% of the Fortune 500 use ASP
and MS SQL with IIS as their total web platform.
True, there are probably a lot of cheap Apache servers out there set up by
who knows who, but the big boys use Microsoft. We are a Fortune 500 company
and use only MS web servers.
That isn't to say it is the best technology, but it is the best supported
and it's performance is very good along with its RAD capabilities.
-Todd
>
>
> --
> =========================================================
> This signature was added automatically by Linux:
> .
> "Athens built the Acropolis. Corinth was a commercial city, interested
> in
> purely materialistic things. Today we admire Athens, visit it, preserve
> the
> old temples, yet we hardly ever set foot in Corinth."
> - Dr. Harold Urey, Nobel Laureate in chemistry
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NETCRAFT: I'm confused
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:25:44 -0300
Todd escribió:
>
> "Nico Coetzee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Every now and then some M$ preacher refers to netcraft for this or that
> > stat. Well, am I the only one that find it strange that Apache is the
> > only platform currently with a obvious positive trendline? Even the M$
> > line has a downward curve since just before 2000.
> >
> > And Linux remain the dominant OS platform, no matter how you look at it.
> >
> > Don't you people find this funny?
>
> What I find funny is that according to IDC, 80% of the Fortune 500 use ASP
> and MS SQL with IIS as their total web platform.
>
> True, there are probably a lot of cheap Apache servers out there set up by
> who knows who, but the big boys use Microsoft. We are a Fortune 500 company
> and use only MS web servers.
>
> That isn't to say it is the best technology, but it is the best supported
> and it's performance is very good along with its RAD capabilities.
Some top 500 company's sites have less traffic than many amateur
pages :-)
Why don't you go check the study about the sites that get more
traffic instead?.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Excerpt from - Open Source: The Unauthorized White Papers
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:14:41 GMT
On developerWorks there is an excerpt from Donald Rosenberg's new book
looks at the position of Open Source in the broad context of the
intellectual property wars whose first battles are already being
fought, and whose outcome may have important consequences for Open
Source and businesses based upon it. The book, Open Source: The
Unauthorized White Papers, is intended to acquaint computer managers
and business users with the nature and uses of Open Source. The book
also goes beyond business and technical matters to look at the larger
issues of Open Source that touch everyone, whether they know it or not.
http://www-4.ibm.com/software/developer/library/rosenberg.html?
open&l=253,t=gr,p=OSfuture
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GUI vs Command Line: The useless war
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:21:09 -0500
Sly wrote:
> If Linux must gain some grounds over Windows, it'll have to be totally
> transparent to the average Windows user. I don't think the avereage Windows
> user will ever migrate to Linux otherwise. All Linux users, even people like
> me who started from scatch with no Unix or Linux experience whatsoever, is
> definitely NOT the average Windows user. There's room for everyone, and
> distributions targeted at more interested users will always be around. But
> let's not be selfish. I think even the average Joe deserves to use Linux.
> Even if we have to make a totally transparent Linux version just for him.
I agree about making linux more friendly, but ...
Linux is already more "transparent" than windows to the average
user. In windows the "average user" is forced to deal with all
sorts of things they really needn't be bothered with.
The problem is getting it all set up, not using it. Therefore I
think in an environment where there is a sysadmin, linux is
infinitely easier to understand and use than windows (well KDE or
GNOME more specifically). However if you're all alone and lost
then configuring linux distribution the way you want can be
frustrating for a newbie.
--
Tim Kelley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:25:10 -0400
ZnU wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:30:33 GMT, ZnU wrote:
> > >
> > > >That private school gets to pick who it accepts, right? Will it
> > > >take kids with serious learning disabilities? Behavioral/emotional
> > > >problems? Below average intelligence? You can't just leave these
> > > >people out of the system; if you don't do your best to educate
> > > >them they'll only be even more of a burden on society later.
> > >
> > > I'd like to develop this line of reasoning further. Kulkis seems to
> > > be trying to sell us on an exclusivist system. He points out that
> > > exclusive schools(1) display better performance. But his arguments
> > > fall short on two counts:
> > >
> > > (a) Excluding certain groups will not result in a
> > > better-educated
> > > population. All it does is hide the less capable from view
> > > of educational stats ( like SAT scores ). In short, it's a
> > > stats-scam.
> > >
> > > (b) It's not even obvious that the more gifted students would
> > > benefit
> > > from exclusionist practices. You'd need to show that *the
> > > same students* would have done worse under a less
> > > exclusionist system.
> > >
> > > In short, Kulkis's exclusionist vision has an agenda of hiding the
> > > less able from the statistics, rather than actually improving the
> > > quality of education.
> > >
> > > (1) By this, I mean schools with a self-selected population.
> > > This includes Catholic schools, not just snob-value schools.
> >
> >
> > So your proposal is.... stick with the current system which is not
> > merely failing, but failing catastrophically.
>
> You admit that public education systems in other countries are much
> better than ours. Why do you insist the only way to fix education in
> this country is to privatize it?
Because to "fix" it European or Oriental style means giving MORE
control to the same people who are fucking it up already.
Is any of this getting through to you?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:25:35 -0400
ZnU wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > It's simple: FUCK THEM!
> > > >
> > > > They had their chance to avail themselves to an education...AND
> > > > THEY ****CHOSE**** not to partake.
> > >
> > > As easy as it sounds, that's not America. America was built by
> > > successful, hard-working, independant people.
> > >
> > > Up until the socialist democrats came into power, is continuing in
> > > that fashion.
> > >
> > > Now we have career welfare familys and single-parent households
> > > whose only source of income is having more children and slinging
> > > dope to buy that cadillac while their children starve (yes, I've
> > > seen this happen with my own eyes. I've seen families appear before
> > > court who wouldn't pay their bills, their children had been
> > > starving and were seized by Child Services but they had two
> > > pedigree dogs that they fed gourmet dog food to)
> > >
> > > They've created a society of incompetent, uneducated, worthless
> > > voters with which they can manipulate into voting for them every
> > > election because "those mean spirited Republicans" want to take
> > > everything away and actually make them productive and self-reliant
> > > again.
> >
> > "Kill the Poor" --Dead Kennedys
>
> I really hope you understand that that song is mocking you and
> everything you stand for....
Humor ain't your strong suit, is it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:33:55 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> On 28 Aug 2000 08:27:23 -0600, Craig Kelley wrote:
> >"Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> My kids' old school took a number of below average students and a few
> >> with behavioral problems. They also offered scholarships to a number
> >> of
> >> kids and had a policy not to turn down kids who were otherwise
> >> acceptable but couldn't afford to pay.
> >
> >That's impossible. Only the federal government cares about disabled
> >children, private citizens only want to trample them on their way to
> >the top.
>
> I believe he is talking about a Catholic school. Catholics are IME known
> to
> display a social conscience from time to time, so this doesn't really
> surprise me.
Actually, no. It's a private school not affiliated with any religion.
It's interesting how people assume whatever would strengthen their
position when it would be very easy to ask.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:27:07 -0400
Eric Bennett wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund) wrote:
>
> > Not everybody
> > has a rich daddy who could pay for college. Not everybody qualifies for a
> > scholarship. And not everybody had a life situation that allowed them to
> > get a proper education. Life is tough on some people whetehr they deserve
> > it or not.
>
> Here's a good one: I know somebody whose student aid couldn't be
> released until she was enrolled, but she couldn't pay the tuition (and
> thus couldn't be enrolled) until she got the aid. Go figure.
IT's the usual routine, which demonstrates COMPLETELY the education
bureaucracy is totally filled with morons.
>
> --
> Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
> Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
>
> Anybody that wants the presidency so much that he'll spend two years organizing
> and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office. -David Broder
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:30:05 -0400
ZnU wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:32:37 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > >
> > > >> If you're asking if the American kid doesn't perform as well on
> > > >> international tests by the time they enter high school, my answer
> > > >> is "yes". The American kids are already behind at this stage.
> > > >>
> > > >> If you're asking if American kids are less "intelligent" than
> > > >> Japanese
> > > >> kids, well I refer you to your bible (1)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >So...based on what YOU have just told us:
> > > >
> > > > (A) There is a genetic component to intelligence
> > >
> > > Not quite. My point is that if you are prepared to accept the case made
> > > by your bible, then this is true.
> > >
> > > BTW, the differences between the performance of different ethnic groups
> > > on these tests is not obviously due to genetic factors. Indeed,
> > > questions
> > > regarding the origin of the difference is a contentious issue that is
> > > worthy of debate.
> > >
> > > If you're interested in knowing what *I* personally believe, I find it
> > > plausible that there is indeed a genetic component to intelligence.
> > > However, I disagree that you can judge someone's intelligence based on
> > > genetics alone. (1)
> >
> > A) I never claimed that intelligence was based "solely" on genetics.
> > But...tell me, if you decide to scavange random parts from a
> > 1975 AMC gremlin, and a 1935 Volkwagen bug, do you really believe
> > that the end result will be something that beats a Ferarri?
> >
> > B) Of course intelligence is not based on genetics *alone*. The son
> > of a tall parents who is malnourished will probably be short. The
> > son of smart parents who is brought up in a primative cave will
> > probably be an illiterate idiot.
> >
> > BUT! Genetics determine the *POTENTIAL*, not the outcome.
> >
> > Now...go into any ghetto, and it is quite apparent that the adults
> > who are permanently living there are...at their maximum potential
> > (if not exceeding it due to government subsidies).
>
> That isn't quite apparent at all. You have no idea where those people
> would be if they had been given the same opportunities you were.
>
> > The point is... you have conceeded, that, just like EVERY OTHER HUMAN
> > CHARACTERISTIC, there is genetic linkage for intelligence and
> > intellectual potential.
>
> How do you account for the fact that minorities are disproportionately
> poor? Are they just genetically inferior?
>
> > > >AND/OR
> > > >
> > > > (B) American schools are fucked up.
> > > >
> > > >So...is it (A), (B), or both?
> > >
> > > If the American schools are fucked up, it's probably not due to overly
> > > leftist policies, since there are other education systems that are more
> > > leftist that report better performance on tests.
> >
> > But the USA is the only country where the leftists have committed
> > to causing societal collapse from within. If the US is weakened,
> > the rest of the world is easily blackmailed.
>
> What exactly are you talking about? The more "leftist" countries, on
> average, have lower poverty rates and better educational systems than we
> do. How do you account for this? Do they simply have fewer of these
The leftists in THIS country are in collaboration with the leftists
in the other countries. The overall goal is to weaken the US relative
to the other countries, so that the US will become even weaker than
them. Simply put...a large percentage of the education establishment
should be put on trial for treason.
Do you not have a brain capable of figuring this out yourself?
> genetically inferior people?
>
> --
> This universe shipped by weight, not volume. Some expansion may have
> occurred during shipment.
>
> ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:25 -0400
ZnU wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ZnU wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe
> > > Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ZnU wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Marion
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perry Pip wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And you want my taxes to pay for vouchers for that shit?
> > > > > > > > No way.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As someone who started out in public schools, then switched
> > > > > > > to private school, I can say without a doubt that the
> > > > > > > education I got at the private school was _much_ better
> > > > > > > then I could've gotten in the public system. My parents
> > > > > > > sacrificed a lot for my sister and I (and we both let them
> > > > > > > know that we appreciate what they did) to go to private
> > > > > > > school. I have plenty of friends that went to public
> > > > > > > school that wish they could've also gone to private school
> > > > > > > and talk about how bad they were/are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It depends where you live. In rich suburbs, the public
> > > > > > schools are of very high quality. They're properly funded. In
> > > > > > inner cities, they're woefully underfunded, and they're
> > > > > > horrible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW, I think the proper system would be to give a tax
> > > > > > > credit for someone that sends their kids to private
> > > > > > > schools.. which wouldn't cost you anything in taxes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The solution is to properly fund inner city schools, not
> > > > > > drain even more money away from them.
> > > > >
> > > > > The city of Detroit spends $11,000 per pupil...almost TRIPLE
> > > > > what many private schools spend.
> > > > >
> > > > > And yet, the Detroit Public Schools are among the worst in the
> > > > > country.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The small private school my kids used to go to cost $3,300 per
> > > > student. I believe the tuition was about half the expense (an
> > > > endowment paid the rest). So, for $6,600 per student, we got
> > > > class sizes of no more than 20 students, quite adequate
> > > > facilities, and an education that put the kids (on average) at
> > > > about the 75th percentile, based on SAT scores.
> > > >
> > > > It's not about money.
> > >
> > > That private school gets to pick who it accepts, right? Will it
> > > take kids with serious learning disabilities? Behavioral/emotional
> > > problems?
> >
> > The public schools have the SAME abilities...only, the refuse to
> > exercise them.
> >
> > The public schools can discipline those who are disruptive in the
> > classroom offenders...but they refuse to do so.
>
> They don't refuse to do so. The problem is that "discipline" doesn't
> always work.
Then expel them.
>
> > The public schools can expel those who disrupt the school, but they
> > refuse to do so.
>
> And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for their schooling
> now, you'll be paying for their incarceration later.
Where they will serve as an example to others.
>
> > Hoisted by their own petards.
> >
> >
> > Actually, it's the tax-paying public who is paying for an K-12
> > "education" but the money is instead being used for left-wing
> > indoctrination.
>
> What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching kids about
Global warming and other Eco-leftism
Pro-homosexuality propaganda
Socialism
> sharing, tolerance and social responsibility? Yeah! That's downright
> Communist!
>
> --
> This universe shipped by weight, not volume. Some expansion may have
> occurred during shipment.
>
> ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:41:01 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Joe Ragosta in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote:
>
>> Said Jim Richardson in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> >On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:58:34 -0400,
>> > T. Max Devlin, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> > brought forth the following words...:
>> >
>> >>Said Joe Ragosta in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> >>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And with that understanding, I entirely agree. Normally a large
>> >>>> market
>> >>>> share *can* be considered monopolization, as there is no other way
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> get large market share in a competitive market.
>> >>>
>> >>>That's most certainly not true.
>> >>>
>> >>>A large enough market share (>90% typically) can be considered a
>> >>>monopoly.
>> >>>
>> >>>But to say that there's no way to get that large a share in a
>> >>>competitive market is just plain wrong.
>> >>
>> >>Adam Smith says you're wrong.
>> >
>> >
>> >Where?
>>
>> In The Wealth of Nations, I would suppose. It seems he argues rather
>> persuasively that in a free market, any monopolization of commerce will
>> be mitigated by competitive forces.
>
>
>Eventually.
>
>But nowhere does he claim that a high market share can't occur.
>
>In fact, IIRC (it's been a while since I've read it), I believe he
>specifically addresses the issue where such a large market share _can_
>occur and what happens in the market to address it.
And AFAIK, what happens is that the producer loses the large market
share due to competitive forces, eventually.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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