Linux-Advocacy Digest #707, Volume #34 Tue, 22 May 01 18:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Chad Myers")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (John
Wiltshire)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Chad Myers")
Re: Intermediate user who left Windows for Linux (G. Woods)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("David L. Moffitt")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Karel Jansens)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Karel Jansens)
Re: I have a soft spot now and then :) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The nature of competition ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The nature of competition (Fred K Ollinger)
Re: Intermediate user who left Windows for Linux ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: ouch! (Terry Porter)
Re: Win2000 Annoyances (Terry Porter)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (.)
Re: Things that annoy me in Mandrake Linux (Fred K Ollinger)
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:27:57 -0500
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3387/1/
> >
> > I can't say I don't agree.
> >
> > Some points:
> > A> The linux desktop company he's talking about is likely Mandrake.
> > B> He agrees with Daniel about users getting computer/OSes/shells not for
> > the sake of the computer/OS/Shell, but for the applications that it run.
> > C> He seems to agree with me that you can't offer a slightly-less or equal
> > product in order to convice people to switch, you need something vastly
> > sueprior.
> >
> > Comments, anyone?
> > OK, well, let us be realistic?
> > Flames, anyone?
>
> Anyone who uses Linux as a replacement for Windows is asking for
> trouble. Use Linux because you like UNIX/Linux, not because you hate
> Microsoft; any other motive will result in disapointment (just like
> when I use Windows -- it never fails to disapoint me).
>
> I've been running 100% Linux for so long that I can't even figure out
> how to do many things inside Windows 2000. It literally took me an
> hour to figure out how to change the video driver (I couldn't
> right-click on the desktop to do it anymore).
Um... sure you can. There isn't a Windows since Windows95 that you
can't do that.
-c
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From: John Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:27:53 -0400
On Tue, 22 May 2001 14:09:25 -0400, "JS \\ PL"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>I even
>liked the fact that it stayed connected to the Internet when switching users
>(unlike Win2K)
[snip]
>Internet connection stays when switching users!
Umm... This ability has been there since NT 3.51.
Fire up your registry editor and add the following REG_SZ:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\
Winlogon\KeepRasConnection = 1
(line broken for readability)
Documentation has been there for a while if you cared to read it.
John Wiltshire
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:28:51 -0500
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Not to mention new innovation. Everything that was out there for
> > Linux was either a rehashed 30-year old app with a new GUI
> > front end, or a cheap knock-off of a current Microsoft app.
>
> I seem to remeber smug Apple users saying the same thing about a
> certain other OS a few years ago... look what has happened since.
That was their (rather misguided and uneducated) opinion. Win95
was hardly a MacOS knock-off. There were many new features that
Apple wouldn't come to know for another 5 years (until MacOS X).
-c
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From: G. Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Intermediate user who left Windows for Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:31:32 -0500
Techno Barbie wrote:
>
> I decided to switch to Linux after trying to reinstall MS Word on a new PC
> I had just purchased. Of course, when I installed Word I had to call MS
> due to they sent me a nice e-mail informing me that copying Word on more
> than one PC was illegal. I then called there support desk to get Word
> unlocked. The sales person then probed me why I was trying to install in
> on another computer, and asked if I knew it was illegal to copy the
> product on more than one computer. She then started to ask me a few
> settings on my PC, and after I had enough, I told her to forget it I was
> not going to use it anymore.
>
> Having tinkered with Linux for more than a year, I finally made the break
> with Windows and only use it to play games. Although I cannot install
> programs that are not RPM's yet - and editing configuration files are
> confusing to me - I did get Star Office up which is the main thing I use
> my computer for.
>
> I really wonder how MS new security measures on their software, is going
> to effect the average user. For me it was enough to tick me off and make a
> switch to another operating system.
>
> Well off to learn something called the command line :-)
>
> Techno (as in the music) Barbie
>
>
I find alot of the anti-piracy solutions interfere with what I am trying to
do. Meaning, if I installed the product I shouldn't have to be looking for
the installation media to run it.
I understand the concern of developers to make money off their product,
and understand the desire to protect it. What I don't understand is
companies treating legally licensed customers as criminals.
Anyway, I'm using windows for the same thing you are - to play games.
Woody
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: 22 May 2001 21:33:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > If Microsoft wants to earn the same respect as the likes of NCR, UNISYS
>or
>> >> > Xerox, then maybe they should start porting IE to more than just Mac,
>> >> > Windows and a few obscure UNIX's.
>> >
>> >Yeah, you know, those "few obscure UNIX's" like Solaris, HP-UX,
>> >and Digital Unix.
>> >
>> >If those are obscure, what's your definition of common?
>>
>> Linux, FreeBSD. The number of people using web browsers on Linux is probably
>> ten times the number of people using web browsers in Solaris,
>> HP-UX and DU combined.
>>
>> The unix-like desktop market is so Linux+FreeBSD centric it's not even
>> funny.
>
>Solaris and HP-UX are hardly "obscure", though, regardles of which
>world you're living in.
As desktop OSs? They are going to be obscure if they grow their marketshare
some. Right now they are almost undetectable.
If you mean as server OSs, why would you run any web browser on a server?
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: 22 May 2001 21:38:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 22 May 2001 15:34:49 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 22 May 2001 15:15:03 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >"You've got MALE.. sex organs!" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Aw, suck my dick, you little right wing turd. I'll insult little
>> >> phoney fuckheads like you all I want. I've earned my rights to
>> >> criticize little bastards like you.
>> >
>> >I hope you get your wish for nationwide gun ban. Then me and all my
>> >rightwing gunnut friends can legally invade your home and totally
>> >trash it out looking for yours.
>>
>> Apparently you are unaware that doing such a thing is illegal,
>> and a ban on guns would not change that situation. In fact, even without
>> a gun, according to what I have read lately, he would be legally
>> entitled to anally electrocute you.
>
>Evidently, you haven't noticed that the POLICE and the (all volounteer) ARMY
>and MARINES are all, according to the anti-gun people, "right wing gun nuts"
You are not a policeman, and you are not a soldier. You are a reservist.
You are, though, a right wing nut, and if you did the above, it would be
illegal.
>Who the fuck is going to enforce this gun ban, other than the POLICE,
>the ARMY and the MARINES?
The police, yes. The army and the marines, no, because they are not
law enforcement agencies. It is illegal for a soldier to enter
your house without permission, is it not?
And even a policeman will need a search warrant.
>> >> Oh, you're a SOLDIER! So fucking what? Plenty of us have been soldiers,
>> >> and I doubt that many have been as much of a sad sack as you. Soldiers
>> >> are like any other population - there are some great ones, and there are
>> >> some losers - like YOU.
>> >
>> >I was decorated 9 times in my first 3 years of service.
>> >what does that tell you
>>
>> You own some little ribbons you like to flaunt when you're among
>> other slaves of the system? I find that ritualistic behaviour
>> akin to baboon's exposure of erect penises as sign of authority.
>
>Commendation for work well done.
No, the baboons don't work.
>Work which I *CHOSE* to get into.
Well, I am sure you are even happy about it. And that you even think
that says something good about you.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: 22 May 2001 21:39:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
>
> Aaron> "." wrote:
> >>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Correct, if she is willing. However homosexuals are not allowed
> >> >> to marry the willing adult of their choice, and that makes them
> >> >> second class citizens.
> >>
> >> > Marriage is not defined as "the adult of your choice", marriage
> >> > is defined as "the adult OF THE OPPOSITE SEX". Gays are just as
> >> > free to participate as non gays.
> >>
> >> Oh really? And whos definition of marriage is that, exactly?
>
> Aaron> The same one that has been in use for THOUSANDS OF YEARS/
>
>There is no body of civil law that has lasted that long. Around
>the world all sorts of marriage laws have existed.
Perhaps he is referring to the Hammurabi code. Oops, that was
criminal law ;-)
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "David L. Moffitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:37:58 -0500
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:9eegjt$c6m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> >
> >> >I was decorated 9 times in my first 3 years of service.
> >> >what does that tell you
> >>
> >> You own some little ribbons you like to flaunt when you're among
> >> other slaves of the system? I find that ritualistic behaviour
> >> akin to baboon's exposure of erect penises as sign of authority.
> >>
>
> > Commendation for work well done.
>
> > Work which I *CHOSE* to get into.
>
> See my other post. Aaron Kulkis recieved exactly zero commendations
> in any branch of the US military. He is a raging liar.
%%%% Serious question: How do you look up someone's commendations?
>
>
>
> -----.
>
>
> --
> "George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
>
> ---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:12:13 +0000
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
>> Microsoft Vice-President Brad Silverberg (talking about the AARD code)
>> "What the guy [using the computer] is supposed to do is feel
>> uncomfortable and when he has bugs, suspect the problem is Dr-DOS and
>> then go out and buy MS-DOS or decide not to take the risk for the other
>> machines he has to buy for in the office."
>
> You say he's talking about the AARD code, but that
> makes no sense; he's suggesting making Windows
> fail when run on DR-DOS; this memo is from
> before release.
>
> But Windows ran on DR-DOS. It didn't fail. They
> didn't do it. They didn't take his suggestion.
>
Windows 3.1 _did_ refuse to run on top of DR-DOS 6.0, and I can prove it.
It required a patch disc from Digital Research to fix it. The patch made
some trivial changes to a couple of files of DR-DOS.
I have retail copies of Windows 3.1, DR-DOS 6.0 and the patch disc to prove
my case.
> That's what I mean about your creative way
> with quotes. The stuff that's critical to your
> arguments is always those parathetical
> comments you insert that represent, not any
> sort of quote, but your own interpretion.
>
In this case, he was right on the money.
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
===============================================================
Has anybody ever wondered why Microsoft launched Windows 95
with a song that contains the line: "You make a grown man cry"?
Oh, wait...
===============================================================
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:45:12 +0000
GreyCloud wrote:
>
>
> So people would be lead to believe about the exact timings of NASA.
> .88c and c aren't that big of a difference between here and voyager.
> And JPL wasn't all that accurate about getting things precisely timed
> either... how many mars probes have we lost now to screw ups??
>
>
Given that the Voyager spacecraft are now several lighthours from Earth, a
discrepancy of 12% would indeed tend to show up - even to NASA.
And how do programming errors or getting imperial and decimal units
confused relate to the speed of EM radiation?
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
===============================================================
Has anybody ever wondered why Microsoft launched Windows 95
with a song that contains the line: "You make a grown man cry"?
Oh, wait...
===============================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I have a soft spot now and then :)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:43:17 GMT
On Tue, 22 May 2001 16:05:57 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>Really cool people make their choice on inherent capabilities.
>This is where Linux wins, and Mafiasoft is...confused.
They make their choice based on applications and compatability with
what the rest of their friends are running and this is why Linux
loses.
White paper advantages are not even considered.
flatfish++++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The nature of competition
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:45:23 GMT
On Tue, 22 May 2001 19:59:06 GMT, Michael Marion
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Agreed. From what I've seen, most MCSE's are flowchart followers: i.e. they
>know very specific issues and very specific ways to fix those problems. If
>any problem goes outside of their known area, they're on the phone with MS.
The one's I have met are completely clueless.
>The few good one's (and the vast majority of Unix admins seem to fit this)
>have true troubleshooting skills and know about the underlying system itself.
>So when odd problems pop up, they have the ability to dig into the system to
>find the cause and/or fix. Calling a vendor for support is reserved for only
>the worst case issues (or hardware problems).
The worst thing I have found about *nix sysadmins is that they haven't
a clue about anything that has to do with hardware. Totally clueless.
flatfish++++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fred K Ollinger)
Subject: Re: The nature of competition
Date: 22 May 2001 21:48:55 GMT
Michael Marion ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: mlw wrote:
: > Most MSCE's I have met do not understand NT/W2k let along construct
: > meaningful sentences.
: Agreed. From what I've seen, most MCSE's are flowchart followers: i.e. they
: know very specific issues and very specific ways to fix those problems. If
: any problem goes outside of their known area, they're on the phone with MS.
: The few good one's (and the vast majority of Unix admins seem to fit this)
: have true troubleshooting skills and know about the underlying system itself.
: So when odd problems pop up, they have the ability to dig into the system to
: find the cause and/or fix. Calling a vendor for support is reserved for only
: the worst case issues (or hardware problems).
It would help if those smarter MCSE's could look at source so they could fix
some of the problems and distribute patches so the rest of us can be more secure.
Fred
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Intermediate user who left Windows for Linux
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:49:51 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Terry Porter"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2001 19:36:15 +0200,
> Mart van de Wege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Terry Porter"
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 22 May 2001 02:03:17 GMT,
>>> Techno Barbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>> I really wonder how MS new security measures on their software, is
>>>> going to effect the average user. For me it was enough to tick me off
>>>> and make a switch to another operating system.
>>
>>> Microsoft have already said that "the small business and home sectors
>>> are where the majority of piracy occurs" so I suppose these areas wont
>>> be too happy.
>>>
>> I was wondering out loud with a colleague today about this very point.
>> He is a Win98 user, as he doesn't need anything more sophisticated (his
>> opinion, and quite respectable). We just don't get it: Microsoft says
>> that casual home piracy is costing them lots of money; how can this be
>> if almost every PC will have Windows preinstalled in the first place?
>
> I have to admit,I'm not really sure, and I agree with your point.
>
> Perhaps its the copies of MS software that people bring home from work
> (so that they can finish their work at home) ? Naturally MS with its
> proprietary formats, force this to happen,as the poor employee, probably
> can't use anything else.
<snip>
>> Of course, Microsoft have only themselves to blame. Their bundling
>> tactics have fostered in the customer a perception that Windows is a
>> commodity, something that is bundled with your machine for free,
> Excellent point imho.
>
>> thus
>> undercutting Microsofts moral stance on copyright infringement.
> I think MS are 'moral free' and have been since its inception.
<snip more>
> that's asking for a major PR debacle.
> When people are locked in, does MS care ?
>
>> What *are* they trying to achieve?
> As much profit as possible ?
>
>> Can't they just see that this will
>> blow up in their faces?
> I don't think so, I think MS have grown so BIG, they feel they own the
> software industry.
That's why I brought this up with a colleague. My anti-MS bias is well
known at work, I was just trying to see how much of this would get
through. I was fairly amazed to see my colleague agree with me on all
points, while they know (and him especially) that I do not shy from
debate, and given good counterarguments I am willing to reconsider my
position. Well, that's what working for a bank does, my colleagues are
generally not interested in technology, but they see actions as this as a
naked economical powerplay.
As my advocacy starts taking hold slowly, and I intend to buy a laptop
this month, I may just take it along to show them what Linux in real life
is like; it might just surprise them pleasantly (and during a one hour
commute either way, I may finally get down to some programming). I still
wouldn't recommend it to them right out, unless they are a) willing to
put in some effort, or b) willing to wait about half a year for the
desktop environments to improve (Gnome 2.0 is slated for the end of this
year).
Mart
--
Gimme back my steel, gimme back my nerve
Gimme back my youth for the dead man's curve
For that icy feel when you start to swerve
John Hiatt - What Do We Do Now
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: ouch!
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 22 May 2001 21:47:56 GMT
On Mon, 21 May 2001 21:07:47 -0700,
tony roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My friend (name to be withheld since he's a real freak hacker) found a nice
^^^^^^ cracker
> little bug in a very very popular OSS package he was quite grateful for the
> open source code since he did not have to do any reverse engineering.
One of the advantages of open source.
> This
> bug is another stack overflow with root potential.
So what, it will get fixed sooner or later.
> He's just sitting on it
> waiting for a rainy day!
To do what ?
> btw it still has not been patched.
It will, when some conscientious person, brings it to
the attention of the maintainer(s).
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Win2000 Annoyances
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 22 May 2001 21:54:33 GMT
On Tue, 22 May 2001 11:49:50 GMT,
Marcello Barboni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mike Vance wrote:
>
>> 5) Tired of having to reinstall Windows and every single app from
>> scratch whenever I upgrade to a new motherboard. Probably some pros out
>> there know how to get around having to do this but MS seems to want the
>> OS and the Apps to be so installation-program dependant.
>
> I have a dual boot system (linux mdk8 and win98 for gaming), I recently
> upgraded from a celeron 700 to a celeron 800 (didn't change anything else)
> and obviously linux didn't give a damn. After a few days I decided to boot
> win98 to play Unreal, and what do you know? - win98 greeted me by finding
> "new hardware" such as my NIC my SCSI card, plus a mysterious "unsupported
> device".
Oh what a supprise !
> At the end of the story (and after 3 reboots) it BSOD'ed.
> Everytime I boot it it still asks me for the drivers for this unknown
> device, so I just decided I'll play Unreal when I'll be ready to pass the
> whole day fighting this brain dead system.... and then people claim that
> *linux* is a difficult system to use....
Indeed they do, while those of us who have actually used Ms products
and Linux, know what abject junk Windows can be.
>
> Marcello
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
**** ****
My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
1972 Kawa Mach3, 1974 Kawa Z1B, .. 15 more road bikes..
Current Ride ... a 94 Blade
Free Micro burner: http://jsno.downunder.net.au/terry/
** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org **
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: 22 May 2001 21:55:13 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9eefir$3cm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > "Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > If Microsoft wants to earn the same respect as the likes of NCR, UNISYS
> or
>> >> > Xerox, then maybe they should start porting IE to more than just Mac,
>> >> > Windows and a few obscure UNIX's.
>>
>> > Yeah, you know, those "few obscure UNIX's" like Solaris, HP-UX,
>> > and Digital Unix.
>>
>> > If those are obscure, what's your definition of common?
>>
>>
>> >> They might also try doing a half way decent job in those ports too. I've
>> >> tried all the IE versions for Solaris, and it makes Netscape look like one
> of
>> >> the best apps ever written.
>>
>> > Really?
>>
>> > Netscape runs about 40% of time on my Solaris box here at work.
>> > Most of the time, I click the web-browser button and nothing
>> > happens or I just get a core dump.
>>
>> > I only use IE on Solaris now because it's the only thing that
>> > works! It's pretty decent, actually. It renders pages as they
>> > are supposed to appear rather than destroying them like
>> > Netscape, and it doesn't have that annoying refresh problem
>> > when resizing the window.
>>
>> > -c
>>
>> You are lying, chad. You dont have a solaris box at work.
>>
>> If you do, please post from it. If you're lying, please continue
>> in abject silence.
> Ok. I haven't tried doing NNTP from it, but I'll give it a shot.
> I'll trying using Outlook Express for Solaris, and Netscape just
> to double prove.
Ah, I see I am not killfiled anymore. As if I ever was.
> If you're still not happy with that, I will try another
> unix-only newsreader if you point me to one that you recommend
> and is fairly easy to set up (I don't have all day to waste
> proving simple facts to you).
I want to see a post from tin 1.5.8 from your solaris machine. Tin
is a fairly straightforward build, requiring only one small makefile
change to compile cleanly. You will of course also need ncurses.
The whole configuration and build shouldnt take you more than about
15 minutes, even with a slow machine.
=====.
--
"George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fred K Ollinger)
Subject: Re: Things that annoy me in Mandrake Linux
Date: 22 May 2001 21:57:17 GMT
Mig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: David Dorward wrote:
: >>
: >>> In both the online help and in the book it tells exactly what each
: >>> level means and does. The problem is many click on the item without
: >>> reading any documentation.
: >>
: >> Unless one has not the book
: >
: > IF one does not have the book then one can use the online documentation.
: > Note the 'AND' in the section of kosh's text.
: Sure.. So i should look at the online documentations doing a rather simple
: task? It would be much better if the help was related to the action i was
: taking.
: Besides clicking on the "Documentation" link on the desktop just gives me a
: "unable to the command specified. The file or directory
: file:/usr/share/doc/MANDRAKE/en/index.html" does not exist. Pretty funny
: since i never told it during installation to not install documentation. I
: have a workstation setup and docs SHOULD be installed automaticlly allways.
How is this different from windows? I have had the exact same experience. Hell,
I got docs trying (and failing) to pop up in win 95, when I didn't ask for them.
No trouble here, though. I appreciated win for trying. I like how-to's, but
I can see how not everyone wants them.
Fred
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