Linux-Advocacy Digest #722, Volume #28 Tue, 29 Aug 00 01:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: How low can they go...? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (ZnU)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Eric Bennett)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:26:52 -0400
ZnU wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Eric Bennett wrote:
> > >
> > > ZnU wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:25 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> They don't refuse to do so. The problem is that
> > > > > > >> "discipline" doesn't always work.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Then expel them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your emphasis on "expelling" people is not going to raise
> > > > > > educational standards. In short, you seek to raise
> > > > > > "performance" statistics by hiding weaker students from those
> > > > > > statistics. In short, this is a scam, because it doesn't do
> > > > > > anything to increase the nation's education level. It merely
> > > > > > makes certain statistics easier to misapply.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for
> > > > > > >> their schooling now, you'll be paying for their
> > > > > > >> incarceration later.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Where they will serve as an example to others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "serve as an example" ? If the point of the criminal justice
> > > > > > system was to "make examples" of people, wouldn't it be more
> > > > > > effective to publically execute them or stone them to death ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Be aware that the kind of barbarism you are advocating no
> > > > > > longer exists in civilised countries.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching
> > > > > > >> kids about
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Global warming and other Eco-leftism
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is wrong with discussing environmental issues in schools
> > > > > > ? I don't recall any given view being "pushed".
> > > > >
> > > > > Pushing LIES is directly contrary to the purpose of education.
> > > >
> > > > Why are all those scientists telling lies?
> >
> > Why don't you ask them. Like last week, some blowhard scientist said
> > that the "hole' in the north pole icecap was the "first time" that
> > the pole has been ice free in 5,000,000 years.
> >
> > 1. The "hole" is pretty suspicious...why is a 2-mile diameter
> > surface of polar sea CLEARED OF ICE while the rest of the ice-cap is
> > intact?
> >
> > File under: Lies of ommission (failing to mention that this hole was
> > obviously cleared by some sort of ice breakers)
>
> This is a typical tactic for attacking science. Creationists use it all
No... I'm attacking this instance of running icebreakers around the
pole until a hole is cleared, and then blaming it on evil people across
the face of the earth.
Was it "due to human activity" ??? OF course...who do you think was at
the helm of the icebreaker that cleared that patch of ocean.
By the way...why is the ice SO THICK along the perimeter of this
ice-free patch of ocean if, as alleged, the hole is due to
climatological
disturbance??? Obvious, no such thing occurred...the "hole" was
nothing more than a stunt akin to crop-circles.
> the time. You attack a specific incorrect statement by a single
> scientist rather than attacking the position of the scientific community
> in general. Science isn't based on statements by individuals, it's based
> on peer review and reproducibility.
This supposed "hole in the ice cap" wasn't peer reviewed...
>
> Scientists are well aware of the fact that such holes are not that
> uncommon during the summer months, even without the help of ice
> breakers. What you saw, of course, was the media sensationalizing the
> event.
Give me a break. Why is the ice so thick....lots of large chunks of
ice all jumbled together...if this is the result of nothing more than
human disturbance of the climate?
It's quite obvious from the photograhs that the ice sheets were broken
up and herded around (possible with oil-spill containment fences, or
maybe nets...I don't know exactly) and the whole thing was staged by
Left-wing EcoNut "scientists"
>
> > 2. On what basis is this EcoPropagandist making the claim that the
> > north pole has been ice-covered for the last 5,000,000 years. Did he
> > find a secret weather station at the North Pole with 5,000,000 years
> > of records?
>
> This is another typical tactic for attacking science, and another one
> Creationists use all the time. The "nobody was there, so we have no idea
> what happened" argument.
Is there ANY evidence that the North Pole has been CONTINOUSLY
covered for the last 5,000,000 years?
Are you in possession of 5,000,000 layer ice-cores?
>
> My guess is that that figure, if that's the commonly accepted one, was
> discovered from ice samples. Much of what we know about the planet's
Show me a 5,000,000-layer ice core sample from the NORTH pole and
I'll believe you. Mind you the BOTTOM of any North-Polar ice is
ALWAYS melting off of the bottom.
> climatic history has been discovered from ice samples, using techniques
> that anyone could lean if they wanted to put forth the effort. There's
> no big conspiracy here. Everything is very open to external review.
It was nothing more than LeftWing EcoPropaganda, just like the
lie about "13 acres South American of rainforest are cut down
every minute"... another LeftWing EcoLie that has been comprehensively
disproved....that time with satellite data.
>
> [snip]
>
> --
> This universe shipped by weight, not volume. Some expansion may have
> occurred during shipment.
>
> ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:28:14 -0400
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "John Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:vYyq5.5158$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Its $209. Not that it makes much difference. ;)
> >
> > Thats over double the price of Mac OS 9 at $99.
>
> Why do we always go through this?
>
> The $99 price of MacOS 9 is an upgrade price. Since you cannot buy a
> Macintosh without buying a liscense for MacOS (even used, the OS liscense
> must be transfered with the machine). MacOS X will most certainly *NOT*
> cost $99 though.
Oh look...the Monopoly defender is attacking closed-market tactics
of another vendor.
Ohhhhh, booo hooo.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:29:32 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >Of course I know where you live, it not a spectacular leap when you post
> >with your real name and your sh^tty news server posts your fricking IP
> >address. Come on.... that's equal to posting a driving map to your house!
>
> You obviously have a child's sensibilities about these things. It took
> a conscious and determined effort on your part to determine my street
> address, if indeed you have, and nobody is ignorant on that fact.
It didn't come subconsciously if that's what you mean. But took all of three
minutes I suppose. Just so you know, in the future when you hand out death
threats, the person on the receiving ends first order of business will be to
determine where you are. As shocking as that may sound to you. And yes - an
IP address (i.e.. NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.139.67.104) connected to a real
name is virtually the same as a customized roadmap. One tracert, one url
GET, one peek at the yahoo phone book. Three minutes tops.
>No, I
> didn't give you a road map.
See above. You give the world a roadmap with each post, that's your choice
though.
I choose NOT to do that. I used to but one day said to myself "Why?"
>In point of fact, I still don't even have a
> clue who registered the domain you use in that 'admin' account you use
> for your pseudonym. I've never bothered to look, and never will.
That's good to hear. But if dynip ever did give you the name IT TOO would be
wrong as they do not know my real name.
I also take other TCP/IP related precautions against whackos.
>
> >Do you think I *wouldn't* try and find out where your posting from after
you
> >send a death threat to me?
>
> I didn't send a death threat to you, that is the point. You are making
> an untruthful statement when you say that, knowingly, and the fact that
> you might have used it as a pretense to investigate and harass me, in
> light of the fact that you solicited just such a statement for just such
> a reason, obviously, is not going to sound good in court, kid.
What statement did I solicit? There you go again placing blame on the victim
of your crime.
It's pretty simple - You wrote "I want to kill JS/PL" which is me, and then
you posted it to several newsgroups. I contacted the authorities because
that is a crime in yours and most other states.
I have also pointed your error to you directly and given you a chance to
retract the statement but you do not.
Try heading over to alt.dear.whitehouse and make the exact same statement
only insert "the president" instead of JS/PL and wait on your couch to see
what happens.
> You seem to forget that your protests of ignorance are only effective on
> Usenet. In real life, people don't assume you're allowed to act the way
> you are acting under the pretense of paranoia.
I'm acting within my rights, but I'll admit that there's a good chance you
might not have meant what you said, but it doesn't change the fact that I
only have the actual statement to go on. Are you saying you in fact do not
want to kill JS/PL (which is me).
In real life if you said "I want to kill you" we'd probably be just
finishing up with your arraignment and awaiting trial.
I've seen it, I know the law on the matter.
An aquaintance a few years back spent 30 days in the slammer (@$45.00 per
day I might add) for telling his soon to be ex wife over the phone that it
would be cheaper to have her killed. This wasn't even as direct as your
statement, wasn't witnessed by anyone, wasn't recorded, had no evidence
besides the ex wife making the accusation.
There's a limit to free speech, you crossed it.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:37:42 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:sjGq5.21102$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> No, I did not know programs can exist without computer storage.
There have been computers that have a series of SPST or SPDT toggle switches
to provide the bits for the processors word size another series of toggle
switches to provide the bits for the address bus. As well as a few switches
to control the processor's operating mode, such as run or pause, and a few
SPST or SPDT push button switches for thing like execute and load. In
general there were light, often light emitting diodes that corresponded to
the address and data toggles as well as a few statue lights.
While the processor was in pause mode, you could set the toggles into their
on or off positions to represent 1 and 0 bits. To bootstrap such a
computer, since they most often did not have ROMs, you would toggle in the
bootstrap loader program a byte at a time and writing it to the RAM by
pushing the load (or write push button switch) when the address and data
toggles are correctly set for that byte of the program. In some cases
entire operating systems or other software was entered this way.
With many of these systems you could also set the data toggles to the next
byte/word of the program and press the execute push button switch without
having to enter the byte into the computer's memory first or ever.
Have you not ever encountered or heard of any of these system?
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 04:50:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ZnU wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > ZnU wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > And then pay to have them sit in jail. Which is much more
> > > > expensive. Smart.
> > >
> > > Why should we pay for their incarceration. Put them to work doing
> > > something to earn their keep.
> >
> > Even if I go along with the idea that people who misbehave in school
> > should be expelled and forced into slave labor, it still doesn't solve
>
> You idiot. You only incercerate them if they commit crimes.
What do you expect them to do? They're not going to get over their
problems without help, and by kicking them out of school you essentially
eliminate any real chance they have of actually becoming functioning
adults. They'll commit crimes.
> > the problem. Do you have any idea what it costs to keep someone in
> > prison? You can go to college for less.
>
>
> They either work to support themselves, or...we let them starve
> to death. It's their call.
You really want to live in a society where people are allowed to starve
to death?
> > > > > > > The public schools can expel those who disrupt the school,
> > > > > > > but they refuse to do so.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for their
> > > > > > schooling now, you'll be paying for their incarceration later.
> > > > >
> > > > > Where they will serve as an example to others.
> > > >
> > > > If it were that simple, there wouldn't be kids causing trouble in
> > > > school right now.
> > > >
> > > > > > > Hoisted by their own petards.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Actually, it's the tax-paying public who is paying for an
> > > > > > > K-12 "education" but the money is instead being used for
> > > > > > > left-wing indoctrination.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching kids
> > > > > > about
> > > > >
> > > > > Global warming and other Eco-leftism
> > > >
> > > > Global warming is not "Eco-leftism" any more than quantum mechanics
> > > > is.
> > > >
> > > > > Pro-homosexuality propaganda
> > > >
> > > > Examples?
> > >
> > > "Daddy has a roommate" "Heather has two mommies"
> >
> > They also teach kids about tribal life in Africa. Do you think this is
> > intended to encourage kids to go join African tribes? If kids aren't
> > exposed to the different ways in which people live they often turn into
> > bigots. Which is what you seem to want.
No response.
> > > > > Socialism
> > > >
> > > > Examples? Most school history texts I've seen have an
> > > > American/capitalist bias, actually.
> > >
> > > Your information is at least 10 years out of date.
> >
> > Examples?
Examples?
--
This universe shipped by weight, not volume. Some expansion may have
occurred during shipment.
ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:02:51 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> It is the word which means something, and words
> are defined by dictionaries and usage, not by statute.
This a rather hypocritical position for you to take, given your
continued insistence on using "legal" definitions when discussing
antitrust, rather than using the common meanings of words found in a
dictionary.
Why is legal jargon the right way to talk about antitrust, but the wrong
way to talk about the legal status of an organization?
--
Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
Anybody that wants the presidency so much that he'll spend two years organizing
and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office. -David Broder
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