Linux-Advocacy Digest #722, Volume #30 Thu, 7 Dec 00 22:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Several items (Re: Nothing to say but, WOW) (kiwiunixman)
Re: Linux lacks ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Windows review (Adam Schuetze)
Re: Several items (Re: Nothing to say but, WOW) (kiwiunixman)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Linux is awful (Cybe R. Wizard)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux is awful (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux is awful (Steve Martin)
Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Bob Hauck)
Re: Several items (Re: Nothing to say but, WOW) (Bob Hauck)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: A great Shockwave flash movie ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Windows review (Curtis)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux is awful ("Michael")
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Several items (Re: Nothing to say but, WOW)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:18:28 +1300
Aaron, you just stole my thunder and legionary Microsoft Admin = click +
point, agument.... :)
kiwiunixman
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Stephen King wrote:
>
>> sfcybear wrote:
>>
>>> "...server hosting more than 1500 virtual Linux servers simultaneously."
>>>
>>> http://eltoday.com/article.php3?ltsn=2000-12-07-001-01-PS
>>
>> Puny.
>>
>> From ZDNet today:
>>
>> IBM scored a Linux coup Wednesday as Telia, Scandinavia's largest
>> telecommunications and Internet service provider, announced it was
>> replacing its 70 Sun Microsystems Inc. Web hosting servers with a single
>> IBM mainframe S/390 G6 enterprise server...
>>
>> The S/390 is able to host up to 30,000 virtual Linux servers at the same
>> time, using IBM's VM (Virtual Machine) operating system.
>>
>> ###
>>
>> On viruses: If Microsoft didn't write such security-free software we
>> wouldn't have these wee beasties. Be glad that the virii have done so
>> little damage - if early one's hadn't forced MS to clean up their act we
>> might now have a mega-virus wiping out ALL windows machines completely.
>> (not that that would bother me in the slightest) No disease - no
>> resistance.
>>
>> ZDNet earlier this week reported that 1,000 new viruses a month are
>> appearing.
>> This is simply due to Microsoft's FUNDAMENTAL LACK OF ADEQUATE SECURITY.
>>
>> ###
>>
>> On reliability and uptime:
>>
>> I'm using a little old IRIX system here - last time it stopped working
>> was because I turned it off to reroute the cabling behind my desk.
>>
>> 38 > uptime
>> 9:00am up 64 days, 14:20, 5 users, load average: 0.12, 0.17, 0.18
>>
>> Here's one of the Linux servers I manage:
>>
>> 8:59am up 71 days, 20:22, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.13, 0.14
>>
>> Now look at Netcraft's longest uptimes:
>>
>> http://uptime.netcraft.com/today/top.avg.html
>>
>> Not a single Windows box in the top 50.
>>
>> Number one is an IRIX machine, 855 days.
>>
>> ###
>>
>> Further, I develop in Python/Perl/PHP3/MySQL all of which run on any
>> *nix. My code is completely portable to virtually all *nix platforms.
>>
>> So, what was it we needed Microsoft for? To get rich from the production
>> of lame, bloated, overpriced, closed, anticompetitive code?
>
>
> No.. we need Microsoft so that drooling idiots who can do no
> more than point & click can call themselves "administrators"
>
>
>
>> Flame away!
>>
>> --
>> Porsche Boxster 88,295,395 Club-Z points away
>> Stephen J King :: RR2 Utopia Canada L0M 1T0
>> --
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux lacks
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:17:16 GMT
"Pedro Coto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:PWTX5.129$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Well, It certanly looks like we have come a long way in the last couple
> > of years. The list of lacks has been cut down dramaticaly!
>
> So I hope it will be in the next two :-)
>
If Microsoft applications were a separate company with no vested interest
to protect Microsoft OS's you would probably have the choice of running
the same programs on your favorite platform.
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Schuetze)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Reply-To: adam at adam-schuetze dot org
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:17:26 GMT
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:53:52 -0500, Curtis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Schuetze) posted:
>
> | On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 03:03:40 GMT, Kelsey Bjarnason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > Grandpappy doesn't _want_ to hack kernels, he wants to write documents and
> | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> | > browse the web; what possible use are command lines and hacked kernels to
> | > him?
> |
> | Because all good documents are written in vi, with tex. If you
> | don't understand the command line, you'll never figure out tex.
> |
> | But then I'm biased of course. I think gui's are for weenies
> | who are to stupid or lazy to figure out the command line. I
> | mean really, how hard is it? Its not rocket science.
>
> You must be a short man or have a short penis. <shaking head>
It could be both, but how is that relevant? Do you have a
point? People who don't even bother to learn about the machines
they are using are lazy. Like people who drive a car, but don't
even know where to put oil in.
--
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Several items (Re: Nothing to say but, WOW)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:22:20 GMT
nope, had a look at what MSCE have to learn, what a bloody joke,
compared to what is required in a "Certified Sun Microsystem Admin" or
"Certified Novell Network Admin" Cert. the MSCE looks like they are
catering for the lowest common denomiator, aka a uneducateed, pimply
faced, teenager with a large chip on their sholder and an autographed
picture of bill gates hanging on their wall in their "study".
kiwiunixman
Stephen King wrote:
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
>> I wrote:
>>
>>> So, what was it we needed Microsoft for? To get rich from the production
>>> of lame, bloated, overpriced, closed, anticompetitive code?
>>
>> No.. we need Microsoft so that drooling idiots who can do no
>> more than point & click can call themselves "administrators"
>
>
> I thought they had all become MCSE's
>
> IMHO a Systems Engineer can debug an OS kernel. Does Microsoft teach
> that?
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:23:36 GMT
This is not Claire Lynn, it's Claire Lynns son.
kiwiunixman
Swangoremovemee wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 05:36:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> No-Spam wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:14:20 -0500, Dennis Popov
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> another claire wannabe, huh? all right people, whoever tries to argue
>>>
>> with
>>
>>>> this troll will immediately be labeled as a total moron.
>>>
>>> Nope its the Wintroll himself, accept no subsitutes!
>>
>> Thought it looked markedly familiar, what with the "x-no-archive"
>> attribute, and the same unimaginative script.
>
>
>
> Who the hell is Claire?
>
> I always set the no archive bit in all of my posts, so what?
>
> It's a simple check box in the latest version of Agent, but I'll bet
> you have to edit some text file to do it with slrn.
>
> What a strange bunch of Catz inhabit this group. They can't debate
> worth a shit so they go on header hunts.
>
> Swango
> "It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: Cybe R. Wizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 20:22:06 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Was it only Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:11:04 GMT, when "scatterman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> offered:
>All I can relate is my personal experiences, But if you can keep windows up
>for that long then your a wizard.
>
snip
Hey, it won't work like that for me and I *AM* a Wizard.
Cybe R. Wizard
--
cyberwizard
@
cyberwizardstower.com
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:25:09 +1300
Any what other versions/distro's have you used?
kiwiunixman
Swangoremovemee wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 04:21:59 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>> If you are so modern, why didn't you load the current RH or Mandrake
>> with USB support instead of complaining about an old copy?
>>
>
>
> And it might be a good idea for you to learn how to read. Where did I
> say what version of Redcrap I installed? You are making incorrect
> assumptions here.
>
> FWIW it is the latest version RH 7.x and it sucks just as bad as every
> other version of Linux I have used.
>
> Swango
> "It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:26:25 GMT
<snip>
> And only a true idiot would continue to actually use it after seeing
> what a lame piece of junk Linux is.
>
> So who is Claire?
yo mumma
kiwiunixman
<snip>
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:34:01 GMT
"Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:XyWX5.12014$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > If Windows is so great, why do WinTrolls feel the need to lie and
> > deceive?
> >
> > Bracy
>
> Because Linux lovers feel no shame in outright exclaiming from the
rooftops
> that the end to Microsoft domination is here, in penguin form. Wake me
when
> I can reliably update my Kernel, and OS level components without buying a
> new distro, recompiling something, or editing text files till the cows
come
> home.
Are you internet-challenged? You don't have to buy anything.
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:43:41 GMT
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:20:23 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Well, actually, it would be a lot more than $300 since none of my home
>> computers meet the minimum spec for W2K, and some of them aren't even
>> that old. About 30% of the ones at the office don't either, which
>> might explain management's lack of enthusiasm for W2K.
>
>I would say that anything below P133Mhz+32MB is indeed old.
Why should a computer less than five years old be ready for the trash
heap?
All of our machines have more memory than that, but I do indeed have
some P120's and P133's. Yet they work fine, so old or not I'm keeping
them for now. I was pushing the idea of upgrading at least one of
them, but the family seems to think they'd rather do other things with
the money.
The machine at the office is a 233 with 128 MB, but lots of people have
less memory than that and many of them apparently can't be upgraded due
to motherboard limits. Replacing machines that are perfectly
servicable for what they are used for so we can upgrade to W2K isn't
real interesting to management I guess.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: Steve Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:43:48 GMT
"Cybe R. Wizard" wrote:
> >> >Actually most of these posts are coming from experience, the vast majority of
> >> >Linux people have Windows experience.
> >>
> >> In that case, the people who keep posting that Windows won't run for
> >> more than a few days at a time are lying, instead of ignorant.
OK, here's some hard evidence:
We have a Linux system in our control room that is used as a repository
for TV commercials. The commercials are fed over satellite via a DirecPC
dish/card into the Linux box, where they are stored on SCSI hard disk
and
later retrieved at full broadcast quality for dubbing to videotape. This
box has been running for well over a year now, with no reboots at all.
In fact, our videotape staff don't even know *how* to reboot it.
Contrariwise, we have a still image storing system based on an NT 4.0 WS
PC that gets flakey almost on a daily basis. We probably have to reboot
it
about once a week.
The load on the Linux box is incredibly higher than that on the
stillstore
(as it's receiving and storing an MPEG data stream almost constantly),
but
it's shown magnitudes more stability than anything we have in the house
based on a Microsoft OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:43:44 GMT
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:05:26 GMT, tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Check this out. NOW in trying to open the pdf's of the ebooks that
>came with Mandrake, neither Xpdf nor gv will open them because of some
>problem with the books' encryption?!? This is giving me a headache.
Dunno why Mandrake would do that, but there is Acrobat Reader for
Linux. Download it from Adobe.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:43:43 GMT
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:25:24 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In most Unixen, you need only write a program that clears the screen and
>prints "Login:" and accepts input, then prints "Password:" and accepts that
>input, then su's to that user or calls login themselves to steal passwords.
Er, su won't accept passwords from stdin and neither will login. What
you do is put up the fake login, grab the username and password and
then exit the session so the real login prompt comes up. User thinks
he mistyped something and tries again.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Several items (Re: Nothing to say but, WOW)
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:43:46 GMT
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:15:06 GMT, Stephen King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>sfcybear wrote:
>>
>> "...server hosting more than 1500 virtual Linux servers simultaneously."
>>
>> http://eltoday.com/article.php3?ltsn=2000-12-07-001-01-PS
>
>Puny.
>
>From ZDNet today:
You're talking about the same announcement.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:35:01 GMT
"Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:IBWX5.12025$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > And only a true idiot would continue to actually use it after seeing
> > > what a lame piece of junk Linux is.'
> >
> > That must be why Toyota is using RedHat 6.2 as the IT base
> > for their dealership network.
>
> No, they're using Linux 6.2 as their base because they let their IS/IT
staff
> lead the company around by the balls and listen to the rhetoric spouted
> almost robotically by you Linux zealots; "It's more stable, it's free, its
> this, it's that, it'll never crash, bla bla bla bla bla".
>
> Gotta love these brand spanking new college grads who don't know dick
about
> how computing really is outside a computer lab.
Heh, yes you really want to ask those people with 30 years experience on
Windows to get the real story....
Les Mikesell
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:35:01 GMT
"Swangoremovemee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 04:21:59 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >If you are so modern, why didn't you load the current RH or Mandrake
> >with USB support instead of complaining about an old copy?
> >
>
> And it might be a good idea for you to learn how to read. Where did I
> say what version of Redcrap I installed? You are making incorrect
> assumptions here.
You said it didn't support USB. If you loaded a version that does,
then why did you lie about it?
> FWIW it is the latest version RH 7.x and it sucks just as bad as every
> other version of Linux I have used.
I take it you own a lot of MS stock and are worried?
Les Mikesell
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A great Shockwave flash movie
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:44:46 GMT
"BcB" <youdon'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:EiNX5.81904$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.com>,
> "Ari, Nasit -AES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Check out this new flash movie that I downloaded just now ... It's Great
> > Bye
> >
>
> WHAT?? WHERE?? HOW IS THIS LINUX RELATED??
In case you are living under a rock, this is one of the latest
in the great plague of MS-Outlook viruses.
Les Mikesell
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From: Curtis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 21:49:07 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Schuetze) posted:
| > | Because all good documents are written in vi, with tex. If you
| > | don't understand the command line, you'll never figure out tex.
| > |
| > | But then I'm biased of course. I think gui's are for weenies
| > | who are to stupid or lazy to figure out the command line. I
| > | mean really, how hard is it? Its not rocket science.
| >
| > You must be a short man or have a short penis. <shaking head>
|
| It could be both, but how is that relevant? Do you have a
| point?
There's a lot to learn about a machine when running Windows, any
flavour, without having to get cozy with a CLI. One can install their
own OS, add hardware, set them up, install software of varying types and
complexity and be very productive without getting acquainted with a CLI.
Even for automating tasks, there are many alternatives to the CLI for
Windows. I believe you genuinely know this.
Therefore, that ridiculous statement you made must have been clearly
intended to make you look good or something. People who feel insecure
and wish to look good or feel superior tend to make these silly
statements.
| People who don't even bother to learn about the machines
| they are using are lazy.
As I said, there's a lot to learn about a Windows machine before
touching the CLI because of how GUI oriented the administrative tools
and applications for Windows are oriented.
I could build my own machine before I actually looked at a GUI. Do I
need to know how to write my own OS or my own apps? Do I need to be able
to examine the source for programs before you feel satisfied that I know
enough?
| Like people who drive a car, but don't
| even know where to put oil in.
Not knowing the CLI in Windows is far from comparable to that. Makes me
wonder if you use Windows.
In Linux, I agree that if you don't know the CLI then you must be a
Linux cripple. This is not so with Windows.
--
Curtis
| ,__o
!___ _-\_<, An egotist thinks he's in the groove
<(*)>--(*)/'(*)______________________ when he's in a rut.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:49:42 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:28FX5.1647$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Are we talking about a false dialog being left on the server console or
a
> > workstation or are we talking about physically pre-empting the logiin
> > sequence with a trojan?
>
> I'm talking, there is no way for a user mode trojan to simulate a login to
> NT in a way that would fool anyone except someone with no idea how to log
in
> to NT.
But, that is just about 100% of the population, so what's the problem?
> In NT, a user mode program cannot capture C-A-D, thus it cannot simulate
an
> NT login in a way that would fool someone that has ever logged into NT
> before. It would be immediately obvious that something was wrong unless
> they were paying absolutely no attention.
Yes, you are probably supposed to hit the C-A-D even if there is already
a login prompt up, but I've never actually seen anyone do that, especially
if they routinely take care of non-NT boxes too.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:49:42 GMT
"Swango" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 03:33:01 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >be thinking of edlin. Try telling someone over the phone how to
> >fix a dos config.sys file with edlin when they have never used a
> >keyboard before.
> >
> Try telling them to do the same thing using vi.
>
> Good luck..
Not necessary. If they have a unix box it usually doesn't need fixing
and if it does I can telnet/ssh in and have it done before you could
get a person on the line at the other end.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:56:57 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:xZEX5.1138$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > > </div>
> > >
> > > </body>
> > >
> > > </html>
> > >
> >
> > What happens when you embed an excel page?
>
> What ever the MIME setting for that type is set to will execute the file.
> i.e. if Office is installed the sheet is displayed, if not it will ask for
> the application to use.
>
I meant in terms of what appeared to be the fairly portable XML
storage format that you were showing off. How does it store
the linkage? Is it in a form that does not expose MS-internals?
Les Mikesell
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Reply-To: "Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:42:31 +1000
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:N1UX5.25407$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > You know what sort of 'maintenance' is needed for a Unix or Linux
system?
> >
> > Changing the backup tape.
>
> Still working on the old dinosaurs, huh?
>
> Of course if you stick to just UNIX or Linux then you're probably right.
> But if you want to use a desktop like KDE2, then expect bugs: X,
> Linux et al can freeze up on you.
I'll agree with X freezing up on occasion, I've never had any probs with it
once it's properly configured though. I've no experience with KDE2 so I
wont comment on that. However I've never had X freeze linux, there always
switching to another console and killing it, magic sysreq key, or if you
have the option, telnet in from another box and kill it from there.
-m
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