Linux-Advocacy Digest #722, Volume #34 Wed, 23 May 01 04:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("JS \\
PL")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("JS \\
PL")
Re: evolutionary (oh boy) psychology: the short form ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("Matthew
Gardiner")
XP 'Loctivation' was: Wintroll nonsense (Terry Porter)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Terry
Porter)
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:07:03 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> JS \\ PL wrote:
> >
> > I have to say, Linux Mandrake 8 was looking real damn good. Support for
all
> > my hardware (for once) easy set-up, even seting up networking and
connection
> > sharing was painless. Good newsreader - Knode, pretty stable OS. I even
> > liked the fact that it stayed connected to the Internet when switching
users
>
> this has been a fact of Unix family operating systems since they were
> first networked (i.e. 1970's)
>
>
> > (unlike Win2K)
>
> Another admission that Mafia$oft is over 30 years behind in basic
technology.
I was wrong. It's a post install regedit in WINNT that I didn't know about.
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:09:06 -0400
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9efgqt$j5r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I find myself going back and forth to root quite often. It's nice to
know
> > there is a way to keep open programs up without having to re-open them.
> > Except with XP there isn't a need to save the session. It just does it.
> BTW
> > the other users remain logged on until they officially log off, so
> switching
> > back to another user is almost instant once he is logged on.
>
> Linux, more correctly, Mandrake gives you the option of either shutting
down
> all the programs or save the session. Does WinXP give you that option?
Yes. You either just "log off", which closes the programs or from that same
logoff screen just choose "switch user".
> > > It is obvious from JS PL's brief description of XP's gentle benefits
> > > that it is going to be such a hugely pathetic joke, and will be so
> > > unable to work correctly and reliably, that nobody but sock puppets
and
> > > naive victims are ever going to consider it any more of a worthwhile
OS
> > > than DOS 2.0.
> >
> > That's more of a Devlin pipe dream. WindowsXP even in beta form, is AS
> > stable as Linux, but the applications that run on it are about 100 times
> > more stable than the typical Linux offerings. Although, Knode is awesome
> and
> > incredibly fast, and is in and of itself worthy of dedicating a complete
> box
> > of hardware to Linux.
> > But you missed the part about me just conveying the "tip of the
iceberg".
>
> If Linux on par stability wise, why spend $800 on a piece of software
whose
> equvilant has a price tag of $0. I can do everything on Linux that I
would
> do on Windows. I have YET to find something I can't do.
You can't install 99.9% of all programs written for the linux platform in
one click like you can in Windows. You can't walk in to any store and buy a
piece of hardware and assume it will work with your OS. These alone, are
time savers that make the price worth it.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,soc.men,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: evolutionary (oh boy) psychology: the short form
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:15:52 -0400
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> On Tue, 22 May 2001 18:13:15 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Krow wrote:
> >>
> >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > "You've got MALE.. sex organs!" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Get with it. You can't be a good little right wing bigot if you
> >> > > can't read the program, Aaron.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Did it ever occur to you that I really don't give a fuck about gays...
> >> >
> >>
> >> For someone who doesn't give a fuck about gays you spend an inordinate time
> >> on the internet discussing them.
> >
> >Those who insist on parading around their deviancy will be justly persecuted for it.
>
> I suppose that's why you need guns.
Self-defence is a basic human right.
> All that angry crowd persecuting you.
Those who are against private ownership of guns are tacitly in favor
of the world being ruled by large men with clubs and swords.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:16:17 -0400
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> What piece of crap this Netscape 6 is.
> Well, not as much as NS 4.7x because that
> doesn't even work any more. I guess after
Netscape 4.5 works great.
> using it 12 times, it self-destructs.
>
> (even worse! This crappy browser won't let
> you cross post, so I'm having to do it manually)
>
> I practically had to reinstall the OS to
> get NS 6 working on here. There were like
> 50 patches just to get it working. It's
> a Java-based app too! What a joke!
>
> Anyhow, this should be sufficient. I don't
> have time to get tin running as that'll
> probably involve another 2 hours to get it
> up and running. Plus, I've had my fill of
> shitty newsreaders for today.
>
> I just got NNTP access at work today and
> hadn't copied my killfile from home yet.
> I've made sure that you're back in it,
> though.
>
> -c
>
> . wrote:
>
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:9eefir$3cm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> "Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>>>
> >>>>> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If Microsoft wants to earn the same respect as the likes of NCR,
> UNISYS
> >>>>>
> >> or
> >>
> >>>>>> Xerox, then maybe they should start porting IE to more than just
> Mac,
> >>>>>> Windows and a few obscure UNIX's.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Yeah, you know, those "few obscure UNIX's" like Solaris, HP-UX,
> >>>> and Digital Unix.
> >>>
> >>>> If those are obscure, what's your definition of common?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> They might also try doing a half way decent job in those ports
> too. I've
> >>>>> tried all the IE versions for Solaris, and it makes Netscape look
> like one
> >>>>
> >> of
> >>
> >>>>> the best apps ever written.
> >>>>
> >>>> Really?
> >>>
> >>>> Netscape runs about 40% of time on my Solaris box here at work.
> >>>> Most of the time, I click the web-browser button and nothing
> >>>> happens or I just get a core dump.
> >>>
> >>>> I only use IE on Solaris now because it's the only thing that
> >>>> works! It's pretty decent, actually. It renders pages as they
> >>>> are supposed to appear rather than destroying them like
> >>>> Netscape, and it doesn't have that annoying refresh problem
> >>>> when resizing the window.
> >>>
> >>>> -c
> >>>
> >>> You are lying, chad. You dont have a solaris box at work.
> >>>
> >>> If you do, please post from it. If you're lying, please continue
> >>> in abject silence.
> >>
> >
> >> Ok. I haven't tried doing NNTP from it, but I'll give it a shot.
> >> I'll trying using Outlook Express for Solaris, and Netscape just
> >> to double prove.
> >
> >
> > Ah, I see I am not killfiled anymore. As if I ever was.
> >
> >
> >> If you're still not happy with that, I will try another
> >> unix-only newsreader if you point me to one that you recommend
> >> and is fairly easy to set up (I don't have all day to waste
> >> proving simple facts to you).
> >
> >
> > I want to see a post from tin 1.5.8 from your solaris machine. Tin
> > is a fairly straightforward build, requiring only one small makefile
> > change to compile cleanly. You will of course also need ncurses.
> >
> > The whole configuration and build shouldnt take you more than about
> > 15 minutes, even with a slow machine.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:20:57 -0400
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <3b0ad984$0$2599$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > It does for people who do serious word processing. You're a developer,
> > > so you probably don't need most of the features, but for people creating
> > > real documents with flash and pizzaz, those features save lots of time.
> > >
> > > -c
> > >
> > >
> > Chad,
> >
> > Wouldn't you classify academic dissertations of 200 pages as serious word
> > processing? C't did a test on word processors beginning this year and Word
> > 2000 (SP1) consistently barfed on that.
>
> C't is a biased MS-bashing rag just like The Register. I have yet to
> see either posted a favorable article of Microsoft.
Could it be because there is NOTHING favorouble to write about Microsoft
nyaaaaaaaaaah, couldn't be.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:25:58 -0400
Fred K Ollinger wrote:
>
> Mart van de Wege ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : In article <9ee7sc$f9s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
> : <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : > http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3387/1/
> : >
> : > I can't say I don't agree.
> : >
> : > Some points:
> : > A> The linux desktop company he's talking about is likely Mandrake. B>
> : > He agrees with Daniel about users getting computer/OSes/shells not for
> : > the sake of the computer/OS/Shell, but for the applications that it run.
> : > C> He seems to agree with me that you can't offer a slightly-less or
> : > equal product in order to convice people to switch, you need something
> : > vastly sueprior.
>
> So what did windows do that was vastly superior to system 7 on the mac?
It freezes up and/or crashes quicker.
>
> Fred
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:25:18 +1200
"JS \ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9efgqt$j5r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I find myself going back and forth to root quite often. It's nice to
> know
> > > there is a way to keep open programs up without having to re-open
them.
> > > Except with XP there isn't a need to save the session. It just does
it.
> > BTW
> > > the other users remain logged on until they officially log off, so
> > switching
> > > back to another user is almost instant once he is logged on.
> >
> > Linux, more correctly, Mandrake gives you the option of either shutting
> down
> > all the programs or save the session. Does WinXP give you that option?
>
> Yes. You either just "log off", which closes the programs or from that
same
> logoff screen just choose "switch user".
>
> > > > It is obvious from JS PL's brief description of XP's gentle benefits
> > > > that it is going to be such a hugely pathetic joke, and will be so
> > > > unable to work correctly and reliably, that nobody but sock puppets
> and
> > > > naive victims are ever going to consider it any more of a worthwhile
> OS
> > > > than DOS 2.0.
> > >
> > > That's more of a Devlin pipe dream. WindowsXP even in beta form, is AS
> > > stable as Linux, but the applications that run on it are about 100
times
> > > more stable than the typical Linux offerings. Although, Knode is
awesome
> > and
> > > incredibly fast, and is in and of itself worthy of dedicating a
complete
> > box
> > > of hardware to Linux.
> > > But you missed the part about me just conveying the "tip of the
> iceberg".
> >
> > If Linux on par stability wise, why spend $800 on a piece of software
> whose
> > equvilant has a price tag of $0. I can do everything on Linux that I
> would
> > do on Windows. I have YET to find something I can't do.
>
> You can't install 99.9% of all programs written for the linux platform in
> one click like you can in Windows. You can't walk in to any store and buy
a
> piece of hardware and assume it will work with your OS. These alone, are
> time savers that make the price worth it.
>
What? open up either gnorpm or kpackager, then install from there. As for
the log out, yes, it does log out, however, you can save your session.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: XP 'Loctivation' was: Wintroll nonsense
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 23 May 2001 07:26:37 GMT
On Wed, 23 May 2001 00:38:46 -0600,
Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "The activation mechanism, which locks Office to a particular PC
> configuration, is expected to help combat casual piracy, such as
> friends sharing copies of Office or small businesses buying one copy
> for many PCs. "
>
> "We found that the vast majority of piracy is this kind of casual
> piracy," said Lisa Gurry, a product manager for Office XP. "This
> Office activation wizard is designed to combat this casual piracy."
>
>
And the web site also said:-
"It's interesting that Microsoft uses the word 'activation,'
when it's really locking the code to a particular PC," he said.
"That carries a different connotation, and
Microsoft knows this."
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 23 May 2001 07:31:44 GMT
On Wed, 23 May 2001 00:57:33 -0400,
JS \\ PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It is obvious from JS PL's brief description of XP's gentle benefits
>> that it is going to be such a hugely pathetic joke, and will be so
>> unable to work correctly and reliably, that nobody but sock puppets and
>> naive victims are ever going to consider it any more of a worthwhile OS
>> than DOS 2.0.
>
> That's more of a Devlin pipe dream. WindowsXP even in beta form, is AS
> stable as Linux,
Years of use in the field show this?
> but the applications that run on it are about 100 times
> more stable than the typical Linux offerings.
Again ...do years of use demonstrate this fact ?
I recall 'talk' of great stability with every new Windows
OS, but as history has shown again and again, Ms still
haven't delivered on this promise.
> Although, Knode is awesome and
> incredibly fast, and is in and of itself worthy of dedicating a complete box
> of hardware to Linux.
If you think any KDE app is fast, try any Linux GUI app under a light weight
window manager!
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
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Current Ride ... a 94 Blade
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