Linux-Advocacy Digest #722, Volume #33 Fri, 20 Apr 01 04:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: What's the point (GreyCloud)
Re: What's the point (GreyCloud)
Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they? (GreyCloud)
Re: Red Hat has become scary? ("Adam Warner")
Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 (GreyCloud)
Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company (GreyCloud)
Re: NT kiddies, don't try this at home (GreyCloud)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (GreyCloud)
Re: Why linux is good and a complaint about RedHat ("Edward Rosten")
Re: What is 99 percent of copyright law? was Re: Richard Stallman (Ian Pulsford)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:14:44 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> "cat < nonsense > cola" wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:10:51 GMT, Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > >After six years of Windows and one GPF too many, I bought Redhat7 and
> > > >installed it. I expected a learning curve, but nothing like I ended up
> > > >with.
> > > >
> > > >I got my cable modem, printer, cdrom drives, and daily programs going,
> > and
> > > >it took me endless hours - most of them spent trying to fix my display
> > > >resolution, only to find out the config file was XF86config-4 and not
> > > >XF86config. How the hell was I supposed to know that?
> > > >Then I started tackling my digital camera. I followed all the howtos I
> > > >could find - no joy. And I still dealt with crappy looking fonts on my
> > web
> > > >browsers. And that's when I decided to throw in the towel.
> > > >After wasting 2 solid weeks of vacation time accomplishing half of what I
> > > >could do in a few hours under windows (even with the crashes and GPFs) I
> > > >wiped my hard drive slick and threw on Windows ME.
> > > >
> > > >So my question is, for the home user, what's the point? Has anyone
> > learned
> > > >Linux from the ground up just to use it at home? What's the advantage?
> > I'm
> > > >convinced Linux is great if you want to run a server or whatever, but is
> > > >there a point in home users running Linux?
> >
> > If you have an income, want to enjoy technology as it becomes available, (or
> > within a reasonable time thereafter) and just want to 'do stuff' then no,
> > there is no point in running linux. None at all.
> > Better than 90% of computer users in the world run some form of windows,
> > like it or not.
> > If you have more than passing interest in computer science because you more
> > than just 'enjoy it', then indeed, run linux.
> >
> > People in this group have been spreading BS for years about the ease of
> > linux as an inducement to potential new users.
>
> You are definitely fulfilling your self-proclaimed title of
>
> cat < nonsense > cola
>
> Since you admit that what you're writing is nonsense, what's your point?
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
LOL! nonsense changes his handle so often it seems that he has both
feet firmly planted in the air!
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:18:32 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Todd wrote:
> >
> > Welcome to Linux.
> >
> > It takes endless hours to do simple things that under Windows is done
> > automatically.
>
> You have it reversed, moron.
>
> Tell us how much 3 hours of repetitive, monotonous, error-prone, point-and-drool
> menu-clicking is superior to a 5-line script which accomplishes the same task
> in 3 seconds.
>
> >
> > And they say it is a conspiracy.
>
> The Windows empire is nothing more than a confederacy of dunces.
Not only that, windows is a drain on the Health Care system... carpal
tunnel syndrome.
>
> >
> > -Todd
> >
> > "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:vj2D6.4868$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > After six years of Windows and one GPF too many, I bought Redhat7 and
> > > installed it. I expected a learning curve, but nothing like I ended up
> > > with.
> > >
> > > I got my cable modem, printer, cdrom drives, and daily programs going, and
> > > it took me endless hours - most of them spent trying to fix my display
> > > resolution, only to find out the config file was XF86config-4 and not
> > > XF86config. How the hell was I supposed to know that?
> > >
> > > Then I started tackling my digital camera. I followed all the howtos I
> > > could find - no joy. And I still dealt with crappy looking fonts on my
> > web
> > > browsers. And that's when I decided to throw in the towel.
> > >
> > > After wasting 2 solid weeks of vacation time accomplishing half of what I
> > > could do in a few hours under windows (even with the crashes and GPFs) I
> > > wiped my hard drive slick and threw on Windows ME.
> > >
> > > So my question is, for the home user, what's the point? Has anyone
> > learned
> > > Linux from the ground up just to use it at home? What's the advantage?
> > I'm
> > > convinced Linux is great if you want to run a server or whatever, but is
> > > there a point in home users running Linux?
> > >
> > > thanks - eric
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they?
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:21:50 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Michael Vester wrote:
> >
> > "Bryant Charleston, MCSE" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey folks,
> > >
> > > I'm a Linux newbie and I'm reading through a few books and practicing
> > > hands-on to learn Linux -- then Unix. A couple of the books spend quite a
> > > bit of time addressing scripting languages like Perl and Tcl/Tk. As a newbie
> > > to Linux, I'd like to get some feedback on how important these (or any
> > > other) scripting languages are in the real world.
> > >
> > > 1) Should I skip these and continue to learn and master the basic CLI
> > > commands FIRST, or learn them along w/the CLI?
> >
> > Do you mean the shell? There are several included with every Linux
> > distribution.
> >
> > > 2) Which of these scripting languages are the most important?
> >
> > Depends on what you are doing. I invested time in learning Perl. It can do
> > anything the shell and much, much more. Also, Perl is on just about every
> > Unix/Linux system out there. Start at www.cpan.org
>
> Not in the commercial world. Also, there is a version problem with perl.
> I can't remember where the cutoff is, but there's a backwards compatibility
> problem (perl 4.x vs perl 5.x ???)
>
> In any event, anywhere you go, basic shell scripts are the foundation level
> (all of your system initialization is done in bourne-shell scripts).
>
> Therefore, learning shell scripting is a higher priority than perl scripting.
>
> in fact, I'm a *HIGHLY* paid, high-responsibility admin, and I've only
> had to deal with perl once, and never really did get the hang of it.
>
> Everywhere else, perl just adds confusion, because it's no universally known.
> Which leads to a chicken-and-the-egg problem.
>
> >
> > > 3) Are there other important scripting languages that are also widely used
> > > that I should be aware of?
> > >
> > With Unix/Linx scripting languages, learning one gives you a great
> > foundation to learn another. And welcome to the side of light. I too was
> > once a losedos user and tech support of losedos networks.
> >
> > > Thanks for the feedback!
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > ...................................................
> > > Bryant Charleston
> > > A+ Network + MCSE (NT4)
> > > Linux (RedHat 7) Enthusiast
> > >
> > > ....................................................
> >
> > --
> > Michael Vester
> > A credible Linux advocate
> >
> > "The avalanche has started, it is
> > too late for the pebbles to vote"
> > Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
Correct! All of the startup scripts are written in sh (Bourne Shell).
This was also covered in comp.os.solaris ng... same question... same
answer.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:19:35 +1200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Adam
Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <x2MD6.167958$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "B. R. Ivy"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone out there think that Red Hat is moving towards a
>> proprietory OS? I really appreciated the way that RH 7.0 installed but
>> it almost seemed too slick. And now they want to bundle in the way too
>> pretty Nautilus GUI with 7.1. I'd hate to wake up five years from now
>> with another Microsoft on the horizon. Ideas? Opinions?
>>
>> Randall Ivy
>
> Mate you're a little uninformed. The software you're describing is free
> software. End of discussion.
For example, if you compare the license agreement for Nautilus...:
http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
...to a standard Microsoft license agreement you should be able to
understand why the proposition that Redhat could be another Microsoft is
so far-fetched.
In the future if Redhat decided to develop proprietary software instead of
their largely exemplary free/open source software development, then Redhat
would lose many customers extremely quickly. There's no other distributors
of Microsoft Windows. There's many Linux distributions and distributors to
choose from. So long as Redhat meets the expectations of many in the free
software community it will remain extremely popular.
Regards,
Adam
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:25:26 -0700
Ed wrote:
>
> Tor, you seem to be obsessed with your claim that "to be f*****" is correct
> and common English. Now I've been to Norway several times, and I find it to
> be a fine country with wonderful people, many of whom speak English quite
> well, but I can't help but observe that for most of them it is not their
> native language, and they would probably refrain from lecturing others on
> correct usage of it.
>
> As for your specific claim, you seem an intelligent fellow, but you cannot
> be serious when you claim that "f***" is acceptable and normal English.
> Perhaps it was 400 years ago on a dock in London, but this is not 400 years
> ago. This is here and now, and the word "f***" is currently considered not
> acceptable for public usage. So continue to amuse yourself with Ye Olde
> Dictionary if you like, but you really aren't at all persuasive on the
> matter.
You'd be in total shock then if you came to the U.S. Ya hear it all
over the place.. even in the elementary school yards.
>
> --
> ---
> "Tor Iver Wilhelmsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Jim Knowles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > On the other hand, there's always the possibility that a preference
> > > for intercourse with his camera is the REAL reason our friend above
> > > has refrained from procreation.....
> >
> > I don't get you assholes: You keep throwing around pathetic insults at
> > anyone who posted anything non-negative about the presence of the four
> > letter word in the initial subject line - without EVER providing an
> > alternative to the common English expression "to be fucked" when used
> > in this non-sexual context.
> >
> > Please get some life, all of you.
> >
> > --
> > Tor Iver Wilhelmsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > This line intentionally left cluttered. dfgjksdfdghsdknfgsjksngskj
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:31:09 -0700
Roy Culley wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >>
> >> Give the memory test ago, should only take around 30 minutes. oh, btw,
> >> I couldn't be bothered upgrading to KDE 2.1, maybe that could be the
> >> problem?
> >>
> > Yet no reply for 2 days. hmm, Pete is suffering from the typical luser
> > syndrom called "It ain't fucking work'in, but I won't do anything about
> > it". I offer a suggest, but no, that would mean that his problem is
> > solve, thus, nothing to bitch about, and as a result, poor old Pete
> > would have nothing to bitch about.
>
> As PG has stated on numerous occasions he isn't looking for help. He
> just wants to point out how crap any Linux distribution is. The problems
> are clearly somewhere between the keyboard and the chair.
That may very well be. PG seems like a good fellow, but then again I
may be wrong.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT kiddies, don't try this at home
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:33:44 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > "User Rdkeys Robert D. Keys" wrote:
> > >
> > > Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Dave Martel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > >
> > > > : <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/18265.html>
> > > > : Missing Novell server discovered after four years
> > >
> > > > : "...the University of North Carolina has finally located one of its
> > > > : most reliable servers - which nobody had seen for FOUR years...One of
> > > > : the University's Novell servers had been doing the business for years
> > > > : and nobody stopped to wonder where it was until some bright spark
> > > > : realised an audit of the Campus network was well overdue...Attempts to
> > > > : follow network cabling to find the missing box led to the discovery
> > > > : that maintenance workers had sealed the server behind a wall."
> > >
> > > > : Can you imagine an NT server running totally unattended for four
> > > > : years?
> > >
> > > > In the computer world, that's tantamount to discovering the remains of
> > > > Pompeii. Except that it was still working! Now, the motive of discovery was
> > > > Microshit and software audits. Were it not for the BSA, that lone server would
> > > > have continued until the hardware died, humming away the years like the
> > > > Energiser Rabbit. That is some good uptime, 4 years entombed in a room that
> > > > was sealed off like the dead Pharohs of Old Egypt.
> > >
> > > Gee, here at NCSU, I just took down an old AIX 1 server (IBM Model
> > > 80/386) that had been up continuously from 1989 through 2000 after the
> > > Y2K rollover (it was even Y2K compliant). Mostly it was put out to
> > > pasture for no good reason, except to drop a sparc in its place.
> > > During 12 years of operation, its only problem was one HD bellyup.
> > >
> > > My NT4 box, well, it regularly bluescreens me, at least once a month,
> > > for no good reason.... such fun....
> > >
> > > There is something to be said for something as ```remains of Pompeii''
> > > in serverdom... if it works, don't muck it up with that other pointy
> > > clicky thingie that bluescreens you to boredom....
> > >
> > > Good ol' *nix runs forever......
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > That's pretty much true. There was survey FWIW between IBM S/390,
> > AS/400 users and UNIX users as which O/S was the most reliable. It
> > varied of course but most put in UNIX as the most reliable, while some
> > AS/400 users said that the S/390 was the best. IBM is now claiming 35
> > years guaranteed uptime.... I don't know how that could be determined.
>
> IBM has some pretty esoteric technology, with load-balancing among
> CPU's etc. I'm quite confident that multiple CPU's within an AS/400
> or S/390 could crash and reboot without ANY process being harmed
> in the slightest...and the operators never even being aware of it.
>
I forgot about that part. It doesn't surprise me tho about IBM.
> >
> > --
> > V
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:40:23 -0700
Robert O'Dowd wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Peter da Silva wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <9bikaq$6a8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Then move the whole company over to open protocols and interfaces! :)
> > >
> > > That turns out to be harder than it looks, unless one doesn't mind losing
> > > jobs because one can't deal with oddball Windows-only stuff that customers
> > > send you. And Star Office is just the beginning.
> >
> > Simple. You tell them to send it back to you in a format that's useable.
> >
> > People do this all the time.
>
> Yeah, right. Few paying customers would be willing to go to the
> internet,
> grab a 50ish Meg file with star office, install the package, rewrite
> a document using that package, and then send you that file.
> Particularly
> when they are using a widespread package such as microsoft word, and
> know you can obtain it easily.
Who in the hell can afford MS Word?? Even on my IBM I don't have it.
I receive a few word doc files and have to respond to them to resend it
in text format.
It's only common courtesy to send a text document in text format.
Besides, StarOffice is FREE!!
>
> While I agree that going to open protocols and interfaces can be a
> good thing, the real world includes customers who don't want to
> go that route.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why linux is good and a complaint about RedHat
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:42:56 +0100
> Have you tried SuSE Linux?
No, I haven't.
I've heard it is pretty good, though and I might try it out if I get the
chance, but I don't have time to set up a new distro and get it exactly
how I want (which is what I've got now).
I also reccomended RH to a friend (hence the saga about the init scripts
on RH7) because I'm familiar with RH and could help them very easily (I
have very little time at the moment).
But what I have found is that once it's set up, it s absoloutely fine.
-Ed
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:38:52 +1000
From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: What is 99 percent of copyright law? was Re: Richard Stallman
Isaac wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:17:03 GMT, Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 04:11:07 GMT, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>Try to find the history of why it was necessary for RIPEM to
> >>>duplicate the gmp library as fgmp in order to release their
> >>>work without distribution restrictions. The only thing that
> >>
> >>The RIPEM authors did that to make FSF happy. They didn't *have* to do
> >>it to satisfy any legal requirements for distribution of their code, so
> >>it was not "necessary".
> >
> >Since it never went to court, we don't really know whether it was legally
> >necessary or not.
> >
>
> I think both of you are using a definition of "necessary" far more
> stringent than the original poster intended. I don't believe the
> FSF was bluffing when they suggested that they were willing to sue
> over the issue, so assuming that the author of RIPEM didn't wanted
> to be sued over something he was distributing for free, as source,
> with as few restrictions as he could legally impose, finding a way to
> accomodate the FSF's position was necessary.
>
> If you want to be really pedantic about things, the author had a
> number of options. He could have just decided to stop distributing
> RIPEM, so there was no necessity at all.
>
> Isaac
I can't wait for the first real test of this sad blight on opensource
(the GPL) to be seriously tested in court and watch it fall apart. It's
interesting how the FSF picks on the small developers, don't you think?
IanP
--
"Dear someone you've never heard of,
how is so-and-so. Blah blah.
Yours truly, some bozo." - Homer Simpson
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