Linux-Advocacy Digest #749, Volume #28 Wed, 30 Aug 00 10:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: How low can they go...? (Sam)
Linux/unix programs 505 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Nik
Simpson")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Joe R.")
Re: businesses are psychopaths ("RSantos")
Re: GUI vs Command Line: The useless war (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: How low can they go...? ("Eddie Dubourg")
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: businesses are psychopaths (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Roberto Alsina)
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From: Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:45:06 +1000
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:34:01 +0200, "Christophe Ochal"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I never owned a copy of ANY M$ OS, i've been running alternative systems
>since 1991
Wow you must be a real computer geek, we all stand in awe.
If you were using a Mac or OS/2 in 1991 for personal use, I would not
call them "alternative" I would call them unpopular. Anything made by
IBM was not designed to be "Alternative"
If you were using anything else I would call them useless.
Sam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux/unix programs 505
Date: 30 Aug 2000 11:45:48 GMT
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:38:43 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >All it takes is a teacher who doesn't like you and gives you poor grades
> >no matter what you do. Anddon't tell me that doesn't happen. And good
> >grades in school is not a garantee for a wellpaid job later in life.
>
> It takes a bit more than that. Even people with relatively
> weak academic performance can still go on to achieve useful
> professional certifications and acquire reasonably quite good
> salaries.
After all, look at George Bush jnr.
> A person's immediate circle of influences is far more likely
> to have a good or bad effect on one's eventual success.
>
See previous comment :-)
--
Nik Simpson
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From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:01:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Said Courageous in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >
> >> A fair number of pretty wealthy Americans pay *no tax whatsoever* in
> >> this
> >> country. There are all manner of tax shelters and dodges that wealthy
> >> people can avail themselves of, ...
> >
> >You make it sound so easy.
> >
> >If you truly understand this to be true, you can describe,
> >in simple English, the simple accounting to make this happen.
>
> He didn't say it was easy *or* simple. Are you saying it isn't
> possible?
I don't think he is.
What he seems to be saying is that there are a very few rare
circumstances where someone could be very wealthy (i.e, high net worth)
and pay little or no taxes. Some of these are perfectly legitimate and
ethical, such as when they have a family farm with high worth, but no
income.
Oh, I forgot, when I presented that example to you before, you
demonstrated your lack of understanding of business even further. You
seemed to believe that paying off business loans was an after-tax
activity.
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From: "RSantos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.gis,comp.infosystems.www.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: businesses are psychopaths
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:27:47 -0400
Your supposition is incorrect. The quote is intended to be humorous in an
oxymoronic, apochryphal, ironic, or whatever-you-want-to-call-it way. The
idea is that a project always takes much more time than estimated...kind of
like the adage "Work expands to fill the time allotted."
"Grega Bremec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> ...and Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> used the keyboard:
>
> <schnupp>
>
> >Ninety-Ninety Rule of Project Schedules:
> > The first ninety percent of the task takes ninety percent of
> >the time, and the last ten percent takes the other ninety percent.
>
> Point of pedantry:
>
> I suppose it should've read:
>
> The first ninety percent of the task takes ten percent of
> the time, and the last ten percent takes the other ninety percent.
>
> Just thought you might want to know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Grega Bremec
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.gbsoft.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: GUI vs Command Line: The useless war
Date: 30 Aug 2000 13:15:54 GMT
In article <8o9v18$1tp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After years of Windoze experience, I doubt that I'd trust a progress
> bar. I've done stuff in MS Access that has gone to 99% in under a
> minute and then stayed at 99% for hours before completing.
The problem, from a programmer's PoV, is that the progress measures
you've got access to can quite easily have nothing to do with the
amount of time taken. Working around this is *hard* in general. :^(
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I have to warn you up front that I'm pretty sure you're full of crap, but
it might still be interesting to see your argument.
-- Bill Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: 30 Aug 2000 13:23:13 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My question is, why doesn't Troll Tech have competition on their API?
They do, from other APIs supported by other companies.
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I have to warn you up front that I'm pretty sure you're full of crap, but
it might still be interesting to see your argument.
-- Bill Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Eddie Dubourg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:31:30 +0100
"Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:p%5r5.349:
> > So? Should we feel sorry for them? I'll pay for winblows when they bring
: > out
: > > a version i actually enjoy using...
: >
: > Theft is still theft. Would it be ok to steal your car if I didn't like
: the
: > colour?
:
: Did i ever said i *HAD* winblows on MY computer?
Yes:-
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:38:18 -0300
"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
>
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> [...]
> >> Such problem is that you are frequent victim of elitist authoritarian
> >> bullshit thinking. In your disdain for "non-contributing" members of
> >> the community (being part of the community is a contribution in its own
> >> right, whether you are a coder or not),
> >
> >Depends on your definition of contributing.
>
> Only if your goal is to restrict the contributions. Being part of a
> community is a contribution, all by itself, as I've stated. The truth
> of that statement depends on the definition of 'community', not
> 'contributing'.
Whatever. If you really believe what you write, I see no way to
convince you.
> >> in your post-modernist rhetoric
> >> on philosophical topics, on your painfully clear reticence to be open
> >> and up-front about the potential issues in the relationship between KDE
> >> and Troll Tech and its putative major customers....
> >
> >I replied to every question you asked. I see no reticence.
>
> You reply tersely and with the maximum amount of ambiguous
> interpretation of the question as you can manage. The reticence is
> obvious to me, whether you see it or not.
Noone said life was easy. Specially, noone said life should be easy
for you.
> [...]
> >What a load of crap. If someone wants to develop something I believe
> >is counter-productive, it's his own problem, not mine or anyone
> >else's. I also reserve my own right to develop whatever I want,
> >regardless of the opinion of anyone else, so I must grant that
> >right to everyone.
>
> It isn't a question of rights, Roberto. I'm afraid its a question of
> courtesy and reason.
It's my right to not be courteous about what I do in my own time,
and it's my right to be unreasonable about what I do in my free
time. When we started KDE in 1996, it was considered a very
unreasonable thing to try. Producers of commercial desktops
said it was unreasonable because it was too much work, and
free software guys said it was unreasonable because, after
all, GNUStep would be there RSN. So, I say, let's be unreasonable.
As for curteous, you are in no position to talk about courtesy.
> I say this is unfortunate, because you've shown
> little interest in either courtesy or reason, so I'm expecting that you
> will just try to "blow off" such concerns. Which is, in the end, the
> reason your integrity was impugned and why it was valid, when 'mjcr'
> noted that you were showing contempt for the community itself by
> hand-waving the concerns of another member of that community.
mjcr and I seem to have reached an amiable conclussion to that.
> You don't
> even know what the concept of "the Linux community" means, and probably
> think its the same sort of lovey-dovey crap that the rabid anti-OSS
> people use to ridicule the concept of OSS.
Believe it or not, I kinda agree. I don't consider myself a member
of the "linux community" in one of the ways it's often presented,
like a world-wide group of selfless coders serving a horde of
enlightened free-software-loving users.
I consider such a wide definition of the linux community to
define a community full of people I don't like, so I consider
myself a member of a much smaller community.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:40:51 -0300
"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
>
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> >>
> >> Said Stephen S. Edwards II in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >> [...]
> >> >Of course he's going to be biased... he's a part
> >> >of the KDE project. It's unfair to expect him
> >> >to be anything otherwise.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, this is such a horrible mangled bunch of post-modern
> >> bullshit, I couldn't resist responding. No, it is not unfair to expect
> >> anyone to be unbiased, regardless of their affiliations.
> >
> >No, it is stupid and unrealistic, but I don't believe it's unfair.
>
[...]
> If you truly believe it is 'stupid and unrealistic' to *expect* someone
> to be unbaised, then you believe it is unfair to demand that they be
> unbiased.
No, I believe it's stupid and unrealistic to expect ME to be unbiased
on one specific issue. I know it is, because I am not.
[...]
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:47:52 -0300
"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
>
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> >> [...]
> >> >The company could make money from other products. The product could
> >> >generate money for other companies. There is no one-one link
> >> >between them.
> >>
> >> Well, you give two possibilities, and then presume they lead to a
> >> conclusion.
> >
> >No, I see they don't lead to your conclusion. In fact, I refused
> >to reach such a conclusion that would make Qt and TT exchangeable.
> >That is why I refused to exchange them, fool.
>
> Note the choice of words, Roberto. You "presume they lead to a
> conclusion". It is certainly not my conclusion, necessarily, since
> you're the one who made it. I wouldn't make such an obvious logical
> mistake as to presume that two "coulds" make an "is".
You are the one exchanging different terms. I am pointing out
your error. Live with it and improve yourself.
> >> I'm well aware that TT "could" make money from other
> >> products and KDE "could" generate money for other companies. But I
> >> already knew these were possibilities; I'm asking for information,
> >> which you seem reticent to provide.
> >
> >Ask a straight question, and you will get answers.
>
> No, I'll get a minimalist and terse answer, because you appear to be
> unable to comprehend the concept of any other sort.
I give answers that contain enough information for anyone with
enough interest to do a minimum of legwork to figure out the
full picture. If you are not interested enough to do the legwork,
I don't care about you knowing. If you don't understand after doing
the legwork, I don't care about it.
> The implicit
> question throughout the entire discussion has been "what are the ethical
> considerations involved in the KDE/GNOME issue?" Your response seems to
> generally be 'there are none', which is somewhat less than useful, and
> not necessarily honest, given the level of debate which you are
> obviously not ignorant of.
So, you are saying that an answer I didn't give, to a question
you didn't ask sums my position? What a load of crap.
> [...]
> >> I believe its more likely that you simply
> >> don't understand the question, or perhaps that you do but don't have
> >> an answer and don't wish to reveal this lack. I'd have to be a
> >> conspiracy theorist to think you were intentionally not confronting
> >> the real questions.
> >
> >There is another possibility: your question is so stupid I prefer
> >to mock you.
>
> I'd say that's the second choice, obviously: you don't have an answer,
> and don't wish to reveal this lack. There are no stupid questions, only
> sarcastic answers.
I know the answer to everything you asked in this subthread.
> >> >And since correcting your stupid ways is so easy, why don't you do it
> >> >instead of whining?
> >>
> >> Apparently, it isn't as easy as you'd like it to be.
> >
> >Sure it's easy!. You see, when you mean "the company", say TT.
> >When you mean "the software", say Qt. Easy!
>
> But I already knew that.
Then you are intentionally using wrong terminology.
> I'm also able to grasp the idea that sometimes when I say "TT",
> I mean the software, and sometimes when I say "QT", I mean the company.
Then you are not saying what you mean, and you are being
intentionally misleading.
> Since I've seen you do it before yourself (consider
> 'Linux', 'Redhat', and 'KDE' <though recently I've noted you taking some
> pains to say 'the KDE organization'
I don't think I have ever written that in this newsgroup.
> and such, implicit evidence you
> understand the issue>), it seems quite clear that your comment is just
> more intellectual dishonesty on your part. Probably accidental, I'm
> sure, but I do wish you'd try a little harder to keep up your end of the
> argument without so routinely devolving into these little distracting
> outbursts.
It's easy for you to avoid this topic at all. Use the correct name
for each thing, and you will hear nothing from me in the subject.
Refuse to do so, and you will. Your choice.
[snip crap]
> >> You've provided no information at all, and very little conjecture
> >
> >I have provided plenty of information in this thread, [...]
>
> In drips and drabs which made it painful to continue. Others were far
> more generous; had I needed to rely on your input, I'd still be ranting
> against KDE as a subterfuge intended to remove the freedoms of Linux
> users in an attempt to bottle them up so they can provide illicit profit
> to commercial interests who seek to take advantage of the community's
> efforts for private gain.
Well, you just moved on to other uninformed rants. Let's think about it.
Since KDE is no such a thing, why were you ranting about it being so?
My guess is simply that you were doing it in an attempt to irk me,
or as just another form of insult.
[snip more crap]
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.gis,comp.infosystems.www.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: businesses are psychopaths
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:01:56 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grega Bremec) writes:
> ...and Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> used the keyboard:
>
> <schnupp>
>
>>Ninety-Ninety Rule of Project Schedules:
>> The first ninety percent of the task takes ninety percent of
>>the time, and the last ten percent takes the other ninety percent.
>
> Point of pedantry:
>
> I suppose it should've read:
>
> The first ninety percent of the task takes ten percent of
> the time, and the last ten percent takes the other ninety percent.
>
> Just thought you might want to know.
No, the quote is quite correct as it stands. You're supposed
to chuckle when reading it (Hint: most projects are way over
time ;-).
Take care,
--
Stefaan
--
Ninety-Ninety Rule of Project Schedules:
The first ninety percent of the task takes ninety percent of
the time, and the last ten percent takes the other ninety percent.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: 30 Aug 2000 13:37:11 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, mathematicians are not eligible for the nobel prize.
But of course. Almost all true mathematicians I've met would be
horrified at the thought of being useful to (non-mathmo) humanity.
They're not going to save the world, just come up with an odd
connection between elliptic curves and category theory...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I have to warn you up front that I'm pretty sure you're full of crap, but
it might still be interesting to see your argument.
-- Bill Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:01:35 -0300
"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
>
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> >>
> >> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> >> [...]
> >> >If you can't say what you want to say, correct yourself instead of
> >> >lying.
> >>
> >> I always say what I want to say. The problem is that you always read
> >> what you want to read, regardless of what I say.
> >
> >Allow me to quote inaccurately what you deleted: "You need to read
> >not only what I say but what I meant". If you say what you mean,
> >your previous statement makes no sense.
>
> I think the fact that you needed to quote me inaccurately should have
> been enough to clue you in to the problem; your lack of comprehension of
> what I said. We've apparently reached a recursive level of examination
> of the issue, as the only further response I can think of is the comment
> I've already made, and which you have already proved true, by failing to
> read it accurately.
>
> >> As evidenced by your
> >> entirely false contention that I've engaged in lying or any other
> >> dishonest representation.
> >
> >Well, I posted a careful explanation of why you lied.
> >Then you apologized. Looks like a confession to me, liar.
[snip pointless quote from another message]
>
> [...]
> >Yawn. Look, liarkid, I am a part of the project. I know the
> >project. Until two days ago you didn't even know who we are
> >or what we do. Therefore, if you still believe your opinion
> >in this matter carries more weight than mine, you are just
> >deluded. You could say I am lying, though, but I will wait
> >until you do before I discuss that argument.
>
> Look, elitistkid, I am a potential user. If you don't care what I think
> of KDE, then fine.
I don't. Fine then?
> Calling me a liar because you don't like what I say
> doesn't help.
I call you a liar because you lied. No other reason.
> I'm sure you think you dissuaded my concerns, but this
> has become a regular pattern, obvious to anyone involved in these
> 'discussions' with you. You blow off the concern of someone else with
> some moronic condescension, insist that this was your addressing of
> their comments and their concerns from a position of authority, and then
> jump in calling them dishonest, a liar, ignorant, clueless, what have
> you, when they don't roll over and play dead.
You are a liar, you are dishonest, you know nothing about the subject
and indeed I speak from a position of authority in the subject.
> In the end, Roberto, being part of the KDE project kind of makes you
> *least* authoritative in discussing it, given the circumstances and
> issues involved.
Oh, sure. Someone who knows nothing, not even what kind of
organization the KDE project is, is more authoritative. You
are arguing from ignorance.
> [...]
> >I saw your apology, Max. It's good. Liars should apologize
> >for their lies.
>
> I have not lied, and did not apologize for lying. I apologized for
> being mistaken. And its worth pointing out that you're still being a
> dishonest asshole about it. I know you can do better than that,
> Roberto. I've seen you (once or twice). These groups don't need
> assholes like you and Aaron "troll bait" Kulkis any more than we need
> idiots like JS/PL or Christopher Smith.
It doesn't need you either.
> [...]
> >> Well, it does seem clear that you are more of a butthead than a whore.
> >> But no apologies will be forthcoming on either manner, given the
> >> circumstances.
> >
> >Again, you accept I am not a whore, yet you will not apologize.
> >I expected just that. You are someone who makes false statements,
> >and when shown their falsehood, doesn't take them back. You are
> >a liar.
>
> Well, seeing as I assume you don't make your living peddling that warm
> spot between your butt-cheeks to tourists on the streets of Argentina,
> it was obviously a 'false statement', in some respects (otherwise known
> as 'a rhetorical' or, more consistently, 'a metaphorical' statement)
> when I made it to begin with.
You say it as if a rhetorical or metaphorical statement can not
be a lie.
> I certainly won't apologize for calling
> you a whore amidst your effort to brow-beat me and malign my character,
> no.
So, you just threw an ad-hominem me. Cool with me, liar. Nothing you
can ever say can stick to me.
Allow me to refresh your memory a bit.
----
He isn't working for a big commercial software developer, maybe, but
that just means he's an amateur whore.
----
Here the metaphor would apparently be that you believe I am
working for a commercial software project for free, right?
Well, you know I am not. So your metaphor was inappropiate.
So, apologize. Metaphors can be insulting. Metaphors can
be lies. Apologize, liar.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:05:41 -0300
"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
>
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> [...]
> >> >But we care, that's why we ask. You see, if you believe there are
> >> >non-real persons, or real non-persons posting on usenet, we would like to
> >> >know...
> >>
> >> I believe what you mean to say is that you would like to believe I do.
> >
> >No, I don't mean that. I mean exactly what I wrote. I would like
> >to believe you are a reasonable guy who just acts like a fool,
> >yet I don't believe it, though.
>
> Then you are a fool who just acts like a reasonable guy.
Could be. Of course I can't tell.
> [...]
> >> First, look up the word "amphiboly" in several dictionaries or other
> >> references. Then read the following sentence: JS/PL is not a real
> >> person.
> >
> >Main Entry: am·phib·o·ly
> [...]
> >"a sentence or phrase (as "nothing is good enough for you") susceptible
> >of more than one interpretation".
>
> I said look it up in several references, not post one definition from a
> single source.
Where did you get the idea that I didn't look it up on several
references? Don't jump to conclusions.
> >Cool. Now, you said JS/PL is not a real person.
> >
> >I gave you already two interpretations: he is a non-real person,
> >or he is a real non-person (so I obviously accepted the phrase
> >as an amphibology).
> >
> >Now, what is your other interpretation?
>
> Did I suggest I have some other interpretation, or indicate that I agree
> (or disagree) with either of yours?
No, you just didn't answer the question. Are you practicing reticence?
Just to refresdh your memory, here's the question again:
> >> >Are you alleging that the posts signed JS/PL are actually written
> >> >by bogie-men or ghosts or demons or something?
Please answer.
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Roberto Alsina
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