Linux-Advocacy Digest #765, Volume #28 Thu, 31 Aug 00 02:13:04 EDT
Contents:
DVD smash-off anyone ?? (Steven Feil)
Re: Sherman Act vaguery [was: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?] (T. Max Devlin)
Re: How low can they go...? ("D'Arcy Smith")
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane.. (Shannon Hendrix)
Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane.. (Glitch)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Mike Byrns)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Mike Byrns)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: GUI vs Command Line: The useless war ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Steven Feil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DVD smash-off anyone ??
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:16:05 -0600
Now that Judge Kaplan has ruled against the free distribution of
software to view encrypted DVD's which is not licensed by the DVD CCA,
I propose that we stage a series of protest against the MPAA and DVD
CCA.
These protest would take the form of a "DVD smash-off". In order to
avoid spending thousands of dollars on buying DVD's to smash, I think
it's high time to put all of those old AOL CD's to good use. We could
collect all the unused CD's and write the letters DVD on them, those
would be used to smash. I propose that we center the demonstrations
around large national chain stores that sell DVD's.
The main purpose behind the protest (besides to make a spectacle)
would be to raise public awareness and to distribute literature on how
the MPAA wishes to limit the way the public can view moves purchased
with hard earned money. This literature should emphasize that if the
MPAA were allowed to maintain sole control over the decoding software,
the MPAA and move companies would be able to dictate what was and was
not acceptable use of DVD's which you paid for! I feel that we would
get the greatest public sympathy if the literature were written from
the following point of view.
If the move companies decided that certain actions were unacceptable
the DVD CCA could dictate that manufactures of DVD players prevent
consumers from performing those actions. Any manufactures that
refused to incorporate those limitations into the players would have
there license revoked. Any companies that continued to produce players
could be sued out of existence by the MPAA and DVD CCA. The
prohibited actions could be as simple as skipping over sections of the
DVD (such as an advertisement), slow motion playing during certain
sections of the program, or playing a European DVD on a player
purchased in the U.S.A. Even a software program designed to make a
parity of the program on the DVD (that you purchased) could be banned
by the MPAA and DVD CCA.
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Steven Feil | Gram-pa, back at the turn of the .~.
Programmer/Developer | century, why did people use an /V\
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | operating system, when they were not // \\
| allowed to see the source code? (X_X)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sherman Act vaguery [was: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?]
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:14:41 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Bob Germer in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
>That is true. Unfortunately for your hero Gates, the anti-trust law is
>quite well documented and provides ample notice to anyone with an IQ above
>60 that abuse of monopoly power is illegal and that the actions he took
>were clearly abusive.
Abuse of *market power* is illegal. *Possession* of "monopoly power" is
illegal.
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T. Max Devlin
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From: "D'Arcy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:25:37 GMT
"Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Of course, if you need a laptop, you're pretty much stuck.
RedHat on my ThinkPad :-)
..darcy
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:39:27 +1000
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:24:16 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>
> >No, competition *on* their API, from other products from other companies
> >that support the *same* API.
>
> Nothing is stopping someone cloning QT ( unless you count lack of
interest ).
He doesn't mean a clone of QT, he means something like KDE. "Competition
*on* the API".
I don't quite see the relevance, but I get the impression that's what he
meant.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shannon Hendrix)
Subject: Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane..
Date: 30 Aug 2000 14:33:20 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas D. Anderson) writes:
>Here you're being picayune: while ARPANET was prototyped on VAX VMS, that
>only lasted a time period in months, it was only a very brief time before
>the pratical implementation of UNIX on VAX occured and the military made
>the *practical* implementation of ARPANET/ TCP/IP in a UNIX environment.
>On VAX machines.
While we are on memory lane...
Arpanet was not prototyped on VAX. BBN built two nodes which were
Honeywell DDP-516 minicomputers with communications via 50Kbps lines
from AT&T. The nodes were connected to each host with custom electronics
and software.
The first four nodes were:
UCLA, 30 August 1969, SDS SIGMA 7
Stanford, 1 October 1969, SDS940
UCSB, 1 November 1969, IBM 360/75 running OS/MVT
Univerisity of Utah, December 1969, DEC PDP-10 running Tenex
The military did not make the first *practical* implementation of TCP/IP
and it was not done on a VAX. Granted, BSD4.2 was one of the first
good implementations in the early 80s.
The first working/practical TCP/IP implementations were done on Tenex
and TOPS-20 systems. It was considered too large for small systems
until David Clark and his group at MIT produced an implementation for
the Xerox Alto.
VAX running BSD did have one of the first decent TCP/IP stacks, it just
wasn't the first.
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:36:22 -0400
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane..
[snip]
> > I paid $30 for Suse 6.2 at a computer show when I'd say 6.2 was the
> > latest one out.
>
> SuSE has routinely been going for $29.95 on the street. I bought my
> last one at CompUSA. This time will be different, however. There's
> going to be a newbie's version, the full version (which is what we're
> used to with DVD added), but there will also be a stripped down full
> version, i.e., all the software without the book. That's probably the
> one I'll get, if I decide not to pass until 2.4 ships with it.
>
I was at the local mall yesterday and found suse 6.4 for $60. I was
surprised. It was in Walden's bookstore. Obviously I won't ever buy
Linux there. They had some good books though I'd like to get.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:35:19 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
[...]
>You asked me what were my financial links with KDE or TT, and
>I answered. You asked who paid me, I answered. You asked what the
>licenses for Qt have been, I gave references and replied.
I attempted to elicit information, you were reticent. Your problem, not
mine.
[...]
>If you believe saying "screw KDE" and "Roberto is an amateur whore"
>are invitations to calm and complete discussion of ethical and
>financial entanglements, you are stupid. I just believe you
>are dishonest about saying that discussion is your interest.
That was after I'd given up on your pretense of discussion, and you know
it. And if discussion weren't my interest, I wouldn't still be
discussing it. You'll find I'm not trolling or calling you a liar, just
maintaining my position against your accusations of dishonesty.
>> >So, you are dishonest. You are a liar.
>>
>> So if I seem dishonest to you, then I am dishonest, is that your
>> position?
>
>I believe I have posted enough proof of your dishonesty, as have
>others, and yourself. I am confident any reader now knows you
>are a liar, unless he has a bias, in which case, I don't care.
How convenient. Anyone who doesn't agree with you has a bias? I can't
believe you just wrote that.
[...]
>> These opinions were honest and sincerely stated. Whether they are
>> correct or not is an entirely different question.
>
>Saying you are wrong is no reason to retract is almost the very
>definition of dishonesty. You were defending a position you knew
>to be wrong. That is dishonest.
Retract? Retract? You never asked me to retract anything. You called
me a liar and asked me to apologize for calling you a whore and KDE a
commercial enterprise. Why the hell would you need a "retraction" from
me, unless you were giving my opinion some weight? I don't think you
want to do that, since you keep squabbling about this instead of moving
on to another discussion, since I've already retracted those statements,
and didn't present them as authoritative fact even when I made them.
>> Your insistence that I'm being dishonest in having or
>> stating these opinions simply because you disagree with them or consider
>> them an unfair indictment of KDE or later changed my opinion is,
>
>Max, if you backpedal any faster, the bike will start moving.
Excuse me, friend, but I'm the one who's standing still, while you dance
around trying to make me dizzy. This is called 'defending a position',
not back-pedaling. You're still trying to pretend that any casual
comment I make, even if rhetorical, is an authoritative public
announcement of statement of absolute fact. Get a grip.
>You said yourself that your statement was wrong, yet you saw
>no reason to retract. Whether I agree with you or not is
>not even important!
That's correct. It was a rhetorical statement, kind of like the $4k
that Joe was trolling me about, and the hangers-on from any of the other
'discussions' are using to avoid having any opinion but "boy that Max
sure is dumb, guffaw". It doesn't bother me at all that I can't go back
and unsay what I said just because it was not factually precise enough
for somebody. Get a grip.
>> I'm almost afraid to say, an example of your failure to rise to the
>> intellectual challenge of our "game".
>
>You must have been a lousy playground partner. You are like the kid
>that takes the ball home when he is losing.
Well, I was a lousy playground partner, but that ain't why.
>> I'm afraid nobody's going to be offering you any parting gifts, dude.
>
>I am not going anywhere.
That was (ahem) a rhetorical statement. I suppose you want me to
retract it now?
Just give up and move on, man. I don't respond to my own posts, and I'm
not going to go chase you down on another thread and start ankle-biting.
Just don't hit the "Reply" key (or is it too late for that?)
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:36:57 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said rj friedman in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
>Aaron does have a point - and while we're at it, let's burn
>Atilla the Hun at the stake for being too liberal! [...]
GODDAMMIT! Now I've got soda and snot all over my keyboard! >-(
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:39:06 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said ZnU in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>[...]Some of
>the most primitive species on the planet have stayed that way because
>they reproduce too accurately.
Apparently not.
Care to discuss it?
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:39:53 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >Joe Ragosta wrote:
> [...]
> >Obesity correlates very highly with declining IQ.
>
> You wanna back that one up, dude?
I normally wouldn't support Devlin since he says as many things that I
disagree with vs. agree with BUT...
Take a close look at some of the pioneers and visionaries in computer
science.
I know one. Since this is cross-posted in Mac advocacy and I am a
Windows nut this might come as a suprise for some folks. One of the
most primitively visionary folks I've ever met (and I say "primitive" as
Encarta's adjective definitions at
http://dictionary.msn.com/find/entry.asp?search=primitive) is a big
person. So what. Don Brown is the best in my book. Anyone ever heard
of desktop automation? Not before this guy. Anyone ever prove they can
cause a hardware fire purely in software? :-) Not before this guy.
Anyone with a VP position ever take the time to listen and actually
think about the ideas of the new hire at a multinational publicly held
software company. Maybe, but Don was the first one I met. If your are
reading this Don -- how'r the cats?
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:42:53 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] () in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:09:43 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>>>Byron A Jeff wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> Absolutely. I'm also intimately familiar with families that have no
>>>> resources or no will to support anyone.
>>>
>>>So, what you're saying is....I am somehow obligated to support some
>>>old coot who is so detestable, that even his own family hates him?
>>
>>Yes.
>
> Keeping unsightly bums and urchins off the street is one
> of the burdens of being contributing member of society.
> If you don't like such things then becoming Amish or a
> mountain man of some kind may be in order.
The Amish pay taxes.
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:43:31 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >Chad Myers wrote:
> [...]
> >They had their chance to avail themselves to an
> >education...AND THEY ****CHOSE**** not to partake.
>
> Yes, "they" are all lazy and stupid, we know. Now what do you do about
> it? You *can't* say "FUCK THEM", Aaron (I mean, you did, but...). Your
> libertarianite cannon may deny it, but if you do that, they eventually
> will outnumber you and kill you.
You know Aaron doesn't spout this junk in downtown Detroit. :-) Give him a
break, ah on second thought, lets send cassette transcripts of the "best of
the best" of his posts to local folks along with their welfare checks. You
might just speed things up a bit.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:49:52 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] () in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
> One could view that as a free market 'diversity tax'.
Damn, you're just full of surprises, aren't you? I like that.
"Diversity tax". You're right about it, of course, and it does seem to
be a real, maybe even important, phenomenon.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GUI vs Command Line: The useless war
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:38:53 GMT
> >
> > Cool! How? A link to a howto or similar will be sufficient,
thanks!!!
>
> You need to enable it in /etc/inetd.conf, with a line like
>
> linuxconf stream tcp wait root /bin/linuxconf linuxconf --http
>
> And enable it in linuxconf itself, telling it from where it
> should accept connections.
>
> Then restart inetd.
>
> You should also have a line like this
>
> linuxconf 98/tcp # added by linuxconf RPM
>
> in /etc/services.
>
> Then you just use netscape or whatever, and access
>
> http://my.server:98
>
> And you are done.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
>
And people say Linux sux ??? Thanx a million!
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