Linux-Advocacy Digest #869, Volume #28 Sun, 3 Sep 00 22:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Sherman Act vaguery [was: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?] (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Sun cannot use Java for their servers!! ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (T. Max Devlin)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (T. Max Devlin)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:21:31 -0400
Phil B wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Bob Germer wrote:
> > >
> > > On 09/02/2000 at 05:59 PM,
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > >
> > > > What...as if this would contradict 25 years of the data which proves
> > > > that you are a liar.
> > >
> > > You are wrong. I speak from personal experience about ONE district. You
> > > cannot apply national averages to ANY specific district. Unlike some
> >
> > Bob... almost every district is like your district.
> >
>
> -- As regards the number of qualified teachers, hopefully that is correct...
>
> However, it seems rather questionable to me as to whether every school
> district (or even: 'almost' every district...), has the same number of
> private school alternatives to public schooling, as in the case that Bob
> has cited.
>
> If anybody knows the numbers, I'd be very interested in seeing some more
> specific data on this, but I have to ask in general:
>
> -- What percentage of school districts nationwide in the U.S. have _any_
> private school 'option' within 30 miles (say...) of the public school
> facility that children might otherwise have to attend, much less three
> such options as in Bob's example?
What i meant was that the relative costs, per-pupil, between private
schools and public schools within the same community tend to be the
same everywhere.
no matter where you live, if there are private schools in the area,
the per-pupil expenditures are only 50%-80% of what the local
school board spends per child.
And remember, the public schools are larger, which means that marginal
costs should be LOWER...which means that PER-PUPIL COSTS should be
lower.
But...they aren't.
This indicates gross-mismanagement in most school districts.
>
> The voucher proposal (and other, similar privatization plans for resolving
> the deficits of the public education system...), assumes that such
> alternatives exist pretty much everywhere and would be universally
> accessible to families wishing to use them. -- Yet, has this ever been
> documented for relatively more remote areas (vs. places like New Jersey
> and Detroit....), like in Iowa or Nebraska or Montana or Idaho, where it
> is pretty much guaranteed in advance that two well-run Quaker private
> schools per district (as in Bob's NJ example...), will forever remain a
> statistical anomaly?... :-|
>
> >
> > > states, we have a surplus of qualified teachers seeking positions in New
> > > Jersey as a whole. Some inner cities such as Camden, Trenton, Newark, and
> > > a couple of others cannot attract teachers, but on the whole, suburban and
> > > smaller city boards have dozens of applicants for every opening.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 14
> > > MR/2 Ice 2.20 Registration Number 67
> > > Finishing in 2nd place makes you first loser
> > >
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
>
> <snip>
>
> Cheers,
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:24:59 -0400
Rick wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Rick wrote:
> > >
> > > Bob Germer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 09/01/2000 at 05:25 PM,
> > > > Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > > >
> > > > > At the present time, public schools are massively under-funded. Class
> > > > > sizes are extremely large. If you want better education in public
> > > > > schools.. re-institute a students right to fail a course. Re-institute
> > > > > having the student take responsibility for their own actions.
> > > >
> > > > Debunking this makes everything you post fit only for the bit bucket.
> > > >
> > > > My wife was a teacher in an inner city public school in a rust belt city
> > > > for 31 years. I kept many of her class records for her on my computers
> > > > beginning in 1984. I have every class list from that time until she
> > > > retired two years ago. AT NO TIME DID SHE EVER HAVE MORE THAN 22 STUDENTS.
> > > > In five of those years her class size was less than 15. Any time ANY
> > > > teacher in that district had more than 17 students, he or she had a FULL
> > > > TIME, qualified, classroom aide.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I wouldbeinterested to know what the teacher/student ratio is NOW.
> >
> > What...as if this would contradict 25 years of the data which proves
> > that you are a liar.
> >
>
> Well... we all know you are very rude...
>
Facts are not always kind.
Deal with it, liar.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sherman Act vaguery [was: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?]
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:34:43 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Courageous in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>
>> I'll admit I do my fair share of tweaking, and I think I've made my
>> typical response to ridicule pretty clear. But it is the communication
>> part which I'm after, and the examination of cognitive dissonance,
>> particularly in critical issues like networking, commerce, politics, and
>> ethics. There's a whole lot of cognitive dissonance causing problems in
>> our world, including issues facing the Internet, business, intellectual
>> property, and morality. I'm anxious to help clear it up, and I've made
>> quite a study of figuring out how to tell the difference between
>> cognitive dissonance and just being mistaken.
>>
>> Get in the groove, 'C'. Stop ankle-biting and simply communicate
>> effectively about something. I'm up for it.
>
>I'm up for it, too. I should like to point out, that if you take
>great care to note when you are using one word to mean something
>when everyone else takes it to mean another, you will be communicating
>more effectively. That's not ankle biting, and I don't mean any sort
>negativity by it.
I appreciate that. Please take note that if it requires being more
explicit on the context and meaning of a term than most people are used
to in order to communicate my ideas correctly, I would expect that they
would be willing to consider the argument on its merits, rather than on
whether they want to use the word loosely.
>Furthermore, I think that you will be far more effective at communicating
>effectively by giving the other side in the debate the benefit of the
>doubt, and instead of leaping to the conclusion that what they are saying
>is false, trying to figure out what it is that they are right *FOR*.
I'm the one who's being constantly accused of making no sense at all.
Your advice is certainly outstanding; I've said essentially the same
thing on many occasions. That is what I always do; as a matter of fact,
I do it professionally. Others like leaping to the conclusion that I'm
not making sense because they haven't grasped my point. I will make no
apologies for becoming frustrated in the face of ridicule and
misdirection. When I explain why a particular use of terminology is or
is not accurate, consistent, or practical, I am not trying to weasel;
I'm trying to communicate.
I would almost think you have me confused with someone else, if you
accuse me of assuming that "what... they are saying is false." That is
precisely not what I've been doing. I think the issue may be that when
I say "having a monopoly is illegal", it is contrary to popular wisdom,
and so those who disagree believe they have some higher authority to say
its false than they do. When they say "having a monopoly isn't illegal,
just using it to gain another" is true, and I point out that it is, in
fact and intent, false (regardless of the legality of monopoly itself,
tying is not all that is outlawed by the statute) they certainly don't
'try to figure out' anything at all, but simply demand their right to
misinterpret everything I say from that point forward.
But now I've digressed back to the 'meta' bullshit. My apologies. On
to another threadlet.
Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun cannot use Java for their servers!!
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 01:36:02 GMT
uhu? and...again, whats your point?
/IL
> Using Linux's SCSI emulation for an IDE device has now been called
cheating.
>
> Linux in with an X configuration that fits comfortably in 16M of RAM hav
> been called cheating.
>
> Linux on PC hardware too "underpowered" for Windows anymore has been
called
> cheating.
>
> Linux on a non-PC hardware that Windows can not work on has been called
> cheating.
>
> Using unix software that was not designed for Linux has been called
> cheating.
>
> Using cron, at, or batch jobs has been called cheating.
>
> Running a headless host has been called cheating.
>
> Not loading X on a dedicated server has been called cheating.
>
> Using the Linux's IP packet filtering firewall instead of an external
> firewall has been called cheating.
>
> Taking advantage of I/O redirection to perform complex tasks with simple
> programs without oversight of the user has been called cheating.
>
> Taking advantage of virtual consoles or multiple desktops has been called
> cheating.
>
> Why IS any of this cheating?
>
> Does anyone honestly believe if Windows could do all of these thing and
> Linux could not, then the winvocates would not consider it cheating?
>
>
>
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:36:16 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Jim Richardson in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
>for comparisons of private school costs, with public, see
>http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-025.html [...]
^^^^
I don't think so. Thanks anyway; I've had my bullshit quota for this
month.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:27:43 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >Rick wrote:
> >>
> >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Rick wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > > Finally, vouchers. As many of you may have seen, there are now studies
> >> > > > > from three states indicating that minority students, particularly
> >> > > > > Hispanic and African-American, do better in private schools. I think
> >> > > > > vouchers are a great idea, *provided* that *extra* taxes are implemented
> >> > > > > to pay for them. The bad thing about vouchers is that the money for
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Why do you need *extra* taxes for vouchers, when you have just
> >> > > > stated above that the per-pupil costs of private schools are LOWER
> >> > > > than that of public schools (Primarily to lower salaries, reduced
> >> > > > red-tape and significantly smaller bureacracy).
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > First, private schools charge "more" per student.
> >> >
> >> > Yeah, there are a couple of HIGHLY SELECT blue-blood boarding
> >> > schools like Andover that cost more than the tuition at most
> >> > colleges...
> >> >
> >> > But, by and large, the OVERWHELMING majority of private schools
> >> > have lower per-pupil costs.
> >> >
> >> > Reduced management overhead is the primary reason.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Really? Do you know the typical management structure of a typical public
> >> school? Its very light. Very.
>
> >In most school districts, 30-50% of the per-pupil cost is MANAGMENT OVERHEAD.
>
> This would mean that at best, for every three teachers there is one
> non-teaching administrator. The idea is complete nonsense. I've never seen a
There you go again. Are you alleging that all administrators get
paid the same as teachers?
Are you forgetting that MOST administrators tend to get paid MORE than
the teachers AND that they tend to run up a lot of highly dubious
expenses like limos, air fare and "workshop" costs.
> public school with that kind of overhead -- and you haven't either. Now, how
> would like to refine your point.
Yeah, you made the absurd assumption that teachers salaries are
anywhere close to administrators' salaries.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:37:48 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Steve Hix in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> > >At the present time, public schools are massively under-funded. Class
>> >
>> > Yet those private schools seem to do more with less.
>> >
>>
>> No, they dont. Private schools have MORE $/student than public schools.
>> Public schools have always done more eith less, especially K-12.
>
>Having actually been on school boards I have to say that you're
>not correct, at least not all the time. Probably not most of the
>time.
>
>One thing at least ought to be done, and that is to shake up the
>way that public school systems are organized.
>
>There is something very wrong with a system that puts the majority
>of its money into administrative overhead, rather than into the
>classroom. Too many public school systems run with oversized
>upper management, and a good deal of that is a result of federal
>mandates for reporting and other paperwork.
Here here. I agree.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:29:38 -0400
Rick wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Rick wrote:
> > >
> > > "Joe R." wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >At the present time, public schools are massively under-funded. Class
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yet those private schools seem to do more with less.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No, they dont. Private schools have MORE $/student than public schools.
> > > > > Public schools have always done more eith less, especially K-12.
> > > >
> > > > I think you'd have to back that up.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well... Im not going to go do all the research for you... but I'll tell
> > > you what to look for.
> > >
> > > Check the tuition prices for the private schools. Then check your local
> > > schoolboard budget. You will see that the private schools have more
> > > money.
> >
> > Has anybody informed you that your are full of shit...
> >
>
> You are a perfect example of what is wrong in society in general. You
> show a distinct lack of manners and respect.
If it's okay for your hippy-dippy cultural leaders to do away with
manners and respect, then, likewise, it should be okay for me to
treat their followers (like you) with equal disrespect.
Having said that...fuck off, asshole.
> Fix those things in general
> sociey, instill a sense of responsibility and consequeces in the general
> public and students, and you will see a dramatic rise in student
> performance.
>
> --
>
> Rick
>
> * To email me remove theobvious from my address *
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:33:23 -0400
Charles Kooy wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > >
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > Left-wing social causes (global warming
> > > > propaganda)
> > >
> > > Uhm, what precisely is 'left wing' about global warming? I think the
> > > majority of people would refer to it as an issue that concerns everyone.
> >
> > "global warming" is a NON-event that the Left is trying to use to
> > weaken the economies of capitalist economies.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Why would the Left want to weaken the economies of non-capitalist
> countries?
Spot the deliberate mis-quote.
Ever notice who the non-capitalist countries which sign onto
idiot-pacts like the Kyoto Accords are never called on to
change THEIR production techniques (even though these same
countries put FAR more C02 into the air than western countries
for the same number of goods produced.)
[Marxist bullshit deleted]
>
> >
> > > Nothing political about it.
> >
> > You are very naive.
>
> Aaron, just because I don't share your point of view does not make me
> naive. In fact, I am anything but naive when it comes to western
> economies, especially the capital markets.
>
> ck
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:34:35 -0400
"Joe R." wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > david raoul derbes wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Forrest Gehrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >david raoul derbes wrote:.
> > >
> > > >So while their AGI was 17.4% of the total AGI reported by all
> > > >taxpayers,
> > > >they paid 33.2% of all tax revenue garnered by the IRS. Their average
> > > >tax rate was 27.6%. Compare this with the bottom 50% of filers whose
> > > >AGI share was 13.8% on which they paid 4.3% of total revenue at an
> > > >average tax rate of 4.5%. Any mystery why many polls tell us that
> > > >most Americans don't give a rat's ass for a tax reduction?
> > >
> > > But most Americans do pay federal income tax. My guess is that even
> > > the guy who pays a couple of hundred dollars would prefer to pay
> > > less, especially as it is likely that the guy doesn't make very mcuh.
> >
> > It wouldn't be too much of stretch to estimate from the IRS data of 1997
> > that 60% of Americans pay less than 10% income taxes and that this
> > item would not be at the top of their list of concerns.
> >
>
> With EIC, millions of Americans don't pay any taxes at all -- and lots
> of them receive money back.
It's not "money back" when they never recieved any in the first place.
EIC is merely another Transfer of Wealth de-fraud-the-working-man
system.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Joe R.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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