Linux-Advocacy Digest #869, Volume #33 Tue, 24 Apr 01 08:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Peter da Silva)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Nomen Nescio)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Nomen Nescio)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Nomen Nescio)
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM (Phillip Lord)
Re: DMCA as applied to MS Office documents? (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (nunnayabidniz)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("LGFR")
MIcrosoft: Words, denial and WTF! (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: IE ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: DMCA as applied to MS Office documents? (Richard Thrippleton)
Our old friend: Nomen Nescio (Matthew Gardiner)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 24 Apr 2001 09:56:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > Very good. Now....name one piece of HIGH QUALITY Microsoft code
> > > that didn't originate in ANOTHER company?
> > Xenix?
> Cheap imitation of AT&T Unix.
It was a licensed port, and at the time it was one of the more reliable
ones. And it was popular, to the point where Xenix-68k on the TRS-80 Model
16 was *the* most popular UNIX port in existence.
Don't judge Xenix by what happened to it after SCO split off from Microsoft.
--
`-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disclaimer: WWFD?
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Crossposted-To:
soc.singles,soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.snuh,alt.support.troll-acceptance
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:10:02 +0200 (CEST)
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What ***POSSIBLE*** reason is there to be explaining homosexuality to
> > 7-year old children unless your goal is to be getting them to start
> > thinking about homosexual acts.
>
>
> By the age of 7 kids have just started to call each other `Gay' as an
> insult (from my memory of being 7).
next lifetime round lose the purse
hth
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Crossposted-To:
soc.singles,soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.snuh,alt.support.troll-acceptance
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:10:06 +0200 (CEST)
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hey nimwit! We had a poster trying to lecture us that homosexuals want
> > to just "live their own private lives". But that isn't true is it.
>
> Yes it is. Homosexuals are normal people.
don't let the gerbil jamming throw you
> Normal people generally want to
> live quiet lives.
inserting objects in thier bums
> In general, homosexuals want to live quiet lives like
> everyone else on the planet (in general).
they don't call him colon powell for nuttin
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Crossposted-To:
soc.singles,soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.snuh,alt.support.troll-acceptance
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:20:03 +0200 (CEST)
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> You don't see the millions of hohosexuals who aren't that
> >> >> politically
> > ^^^^
> >> >> activated.
> >> >
> >> > redirect to: soc.support.fat-acceptance
> >> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> >>
> >> What have politically inactive homosexuals got to do with fat
> >> acceptance?
> >
> > You mistakenly mentioned people with a cream-filled, chocolate-covered
> > cake fetish.
>
>
> I make silly mistakes on the keyboard when I get tired and dring too much
> coffee. ^^^^^
prevert
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:24:37 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > Anyone that buys an i810 based motherboard (and they sell millions)
> > >
> > > Hey! I have an i810e in my Dell Dimension L600cx,
> > > and my other 3 Dell Dimension L700cx's and it
> > > works great with Linux!
> >
> > It does now, when using the latest kernel. It doesn't with a stock
distro
> > from several months ago.
>
> SuSE Linux 7.0 released at the end of last year supported 810 chipset.
I think SuSE actually had some kind of special driver that worked around the
kernel issue, since I'm reading that SuSE 6.4 actually support i810 as well.
In any event, Dell ships Red Hat Linux.
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
gnu.emacs.help,alt.religions.vim,alt.religion.emacs,fj.editor.vi,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM
Date: 24 Apr 2001 11:25:44 +0100
>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Hoskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Richard> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Real programmers do that on _mechanical_ compters made from cast
>> iron.
Richard> *Cast* iron? I'm still smithing my difference engines!
Well I just count using my fingers.
Phil
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DMCA as applied to MS Office documents?
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:56:58 +0200
Richard Thrippleton wrote:
> I had this idea/nightmare the other day, and was wondering how
> feasible it was. I'm sure this isn't strictly the best group, but
> there's a lot of MS bashing going on, so why not? Now, if MS were to
> entirely close the standards for MS Office document files in the next
> version, would they be able to take action against Apple and Sun for
> AppleWorks and StarOffice respectively under the terms of the DMCA?
> After all, if MS don't give them permission to read their new document
> format but they go ahead and do it anyway, they're breaking down
> proprietary 'encryption' (document format). If they say they close the
> standard to prevent unauthorised copying of documents, even better?
> Sorry to those of you who lose sleep over this malign vision :)
> So, how feasible is this all?
>
They can do that all they want, it´s no use.
In germany and other european countries it is forbidden to act in such a
way, meaning that Star Office et al can legally have input/output filters
for MS-shit. So yes, if the US is dumb enough to allow such crazy things
to happen, tough luck. But they can always trust the europeans to
countermand such BS, although over here MS is also trying to pull such
stunts.
Peter
--
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
soc.singles,soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.snuh,alt.support.troll-acceptance
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:52:32 +0100
>> By the age of 7 kids have just started to call each other `Gay' as an
>> insult (from my memory of being 7).
>
> next lifetime round lose the purse hth
I have no clue what you mean.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
soc.singles,soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.snuh,alt.support.troll-acceptance
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:53:44 +0100
>> Yes it is. Homosexuals are normal people.
>
> don't let the gerbil jamming throw you
My guess would be that most homosexuals do not regard gerbils as sex
objects.
>> Normal people generally want to live quiet lives.
>
> inserting objects in thier bums
Hetrosexual people do that too.
>> In general, homosexuals want to live quiet lives like everyone else on
>> the planet (in general).
>
> they don't call him colon powell for nuttin
er..?
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: nunnayabidniz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:53:42 -0700
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:57:26 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Edward Rosten wrote:
>>
>> >> The thoughts are already there. I remember that when I was in junior
>> >> school (ie younger than 12) being called `gay' was an insult. Although
>> >> we did not fully know what it was about, the intolerance had started.
>> >> Since the intolerance was there, it needed to be addressed. What better
>> >> time to address it than before it has had too long to become ingrained?
>> >
>> > you're a few million years too late
>>
>> So since the world is bad, we should not hope to change it for the
>> better? Is that really what you are saying?
>
>
>Question #1
>How long have women been telling you that men should find obese 50-year
>old hags just as attractive as 22-year old women?
>
no shit, while drooling over young boys like Leo Dicaprio, too?
>
>Question #2
>And in that time, has the attempted brainwashing campaign changed the
>TRUE desires of heterosexual men even one iota?
>
>a) yes
>B) NO
no, but it makes us feel guilty for expecting better.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
soc.singles,soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.snuh,alt.support.troll-acceptance
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:54:42 +0100
>> I make silly mistakes on the keyboard when I get tired and dring too
>> much coffee. ^^^^^
>
> prevert
Can I have some of what you're on. It's good shit.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "LGFR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:37:28 +0100
"Nomen Nescio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[ not a whole lot snipped ]
Hey! Aren't you that wimpy troll who sometimes visits UKRM
and gets toasted?
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> more even than death
> - bertrand russell
That's a strange .sig for a foul-mouthed, intolerant 12 year old to have.
LGFR
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MIcrosoft: Words, denial and WTF!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:44:42 +1200
Yes, this is another look at the Microsoft machine and the arrogance it
displays. First of all, this all MHO, no more, no less, however, most
Linux advocates and ex-windows users probably agree with me.
Patches, bug fixes, service packs, normal words in the world of
computing, no OS are immune to bugs and problems, however, how one word
these problems is an interesting topic.
Lets look at the SUN, a UNIX power house, they refer to Solaris OS
updates and bug fixes, as "patches". Thus telling the public, there have
been some errors in the Solaris (or what ever) product, and here are
some files to correct the problem, and on top of that, here are some new
features. Lotus refers to these files as either fixes or patches, thus
going along the same line as SUN for the reasoning, both have taken
responsibility for the errors.
Now we come to Microsoft, who don't call them "patches" or "fixes", but
"service packs", thus avoiding the admittance that maybe in one of their
products there is a bug. Talk to a Microsoft rep. and they prefer to
call it an "update", as if to say to the customer that it enhances the
reliability even more, whilst making sure they don't mention the fact
that they (Microsoft) were too sloppy to ensure that there weren't any
bugs in the original code.
Security alerts are even more hilarious, they are not referred to as
"security holes" or "bugs", instead they are called "security
vulnerabilities", thus offloading the responsibility for "creating the
hole" on the shoulders of hackers/crackers/script kiddies, instead of
taking the responsibility themselves for the error.
The arrogance goes further than mear words, it heads into their
advertising, there customer service, the whole company culture that
surrounds Microsoft. You ring up Microsoft because Visual Basic 6 (with
latest service packs) doesn't work with Microsoft Office 2000, the first
question you get asked it how you are going to pay for the support! I
shelled out $350 fucking dollars, why the hell should I shell out even
more money to line Bill Gates Pockets? I paid for the software, I want
the support that goes with it. Compare that to SUN, I have a copy of
SUN Forte Developer 6, I didn't even have a support contract with SUN
and they still helped me, so it definitely shows where each companies
priorities lye.
Office XP, yet another over hyped, under performing suite. The people I
know, who kept with Lotus Smart Suite are quite happy about the fact
that they aren't on the upgrade tread mill, and the cost of it has
stayed constant, and in some cases gone down since the original
purchase. Compare what you get for $NZ300, Lotus Smart Suite,
w/Database, Browser, Wordprocessor, etc etc, compared to Microsoft's
$1300 suite which does the same thing! when are people going to wake up
to the hype, its a black hole, sucking users in with the promise of
enhanced productivity, however, once sucked in, and have relised that it
has not delivered, they dare not tell anyone of their stupid decision,
and they stick with Office, even though Corel Wordperfect Suite 2002,
Lotus Smart Suite 2000, or StarOffice could have achieved the same feats
at 1/10th the price.
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: IE
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:57:37 GMT
Michael Pye wrote:
>
> "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:4CGD6.770$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Until it collides head first with 'cola logic', at which point it will be
> > summarily dismissed as troll bait.
> > As most, if not all facts are in cola.
>
> Dismiss it as what you like, I'm not familiar with the term "cola logic",
> but all I know is that NS4 is an appalling bad browser and has caused me
> enough frustration since I went into casual web design 2 years ago for me to
> be excused an occasional let off of steam in a public newsgroup...
>
> I was only trying to point out that at present we are between a rock and a
> hard place. Opera and Mozilla are not widely used enough or slick enough to
> appeal to most users and the two main browsers in use (NS4 and IE 4/5) have
> huge problems. One is crap and the other, while good at what it does, is the
> child of an evil empire intent on enslaving the world ;)
>
> MP
I can't but help to add my two cents here. I, personally, don't think
that IE is all that great. I have a Windows box and have found IE to be
more unusable than I find Netscape to be on my Linux box. Not to mention
that, at the college I attend they have all of their computers set to
use Netscape by default. All I can say is I am very happy that there is
*no* IE for Linux, and that there will probably *never* be an IE for
Linux.
jamess
--
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section,
it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
-Anonymous
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton)
Subject: Re: DMCA as applied to MS Office documents?
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:42:26 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>Richard Thrippleton wrote:
>> I had this idea/nightmare the other day, and was wondering how
>> feasible it was. I'm sure this isn't strictly the best group, but
>> there's a lot of MS bashing going on, so why not? Now, if MS were to
>> entirely close the standards for MS Office document files in the next
>> version, would they be able to take action against Apple and Sun for
>> AppleWorks and StarOffice respectively under the terms of the DMCA?
>> After all, if MS don't give them permission to read their new document
>> format but they go ahead and do it anyway, they're breaking down
>> proprietary 'encryption' (document format). If they say they close the
>> standard to prevent unauthorised copying of documents, even better?
>> Sorry to those of you who lose sleep over this malign vision :)
>> So, how feasible is this all?
>>
>They can do that all they want, it´s no use.
>In germany and other european countries it is forbidden to act in such a
>way, meaning that Star Office et al can legally have input/output filters
>for MS-shit. So yes, if the US is dumb enough to allow such crazy things
>to happen, tough luck. But they can always trust the europeans to
>countermand such BS, although over here MS is also trying to pull such
>stunts.
Trust Europeans?? No, there is an equivalent of the DMCA just come
in over here. Plus the DeCSS coder was on this side of the world; he got the
full search and seizure job. Was that BS countermanded??
Richard
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Our old friend: Nomen Nescio
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:04:52 +1200
Nomen Nescio, the old friend of COLA, he has a very colourful history of
trolling ranging from a doosie from alt.freemasonry when one member
responsed to his trolling:
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From: JEC ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Subject: Nomen Nescio has NO clue
Newsgroups: alt.freemasonry
Date: 2000-09-05 14:55:34 PST
Hey fella,
Would you please take your rants to some other newsgroup. You have
pretty
much worn out your welcome here with you "parrott" crap. Get a life, get
a
clue, go to work, whatever!!!
All your junk has been said before and nobody here cares one whit about
it.
Build a bridge and get OVER IT!!
--
J.E. Carroll
Jefferson #38
Lothrop #21
GLoTexas
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#Turn Down Your Lights#
(where applicable)
"Nomen Nescio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The fella's name has gone across, rec.sport.tennis, misc.invest.futures,
alt.support.dissociation, van.general, swnet.moral,
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, soc.singles, soc.support.fat-acceptance,
rec.music.beatles, rec.sport.tennis, alt.activism.children,
sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.privacy.anon-server,
alt.religion.scientology, alt.romance, and many more news groups have
met our lovely friend Nomen Nescio, and most want to kick his fucking
head in, which I think is a splended idea, quite a spiffy idea if you
ask me, maybe Nomen Nescio would be interested in meeting Donn Oliver,
and Gray Nichols on the week end, both of them provide a wacking good
time.
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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