Linux-Advocacy Digest #919, Volume #28 Tue, 5 Sep 00 09:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (Charles Kooy)
Re: Sun cannot use Java for their servers!! (Zenin)
Re: Sun cannot use Java for their servers!! ("Nik Simpson")
Re: ZDNet reviews W2K server; I think you'll be surprised....
Re: How low can they go...? (Zenin)
Re: ZDNet reviews W2K server; I think you'll be surprised.... ("Stuart Fox")
Re: How low can they go...? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Sun cannot use Java for their servers!! (Zenin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Kooy)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:23:43 +0100
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Charles Kooy wrote:
> >
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > > > Left-wing social causes (global warming
> > > > > > > > > > > propaganda)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Uhm, what precisely is 'left wing' about global warming?
> I think
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > > majority of people would refer to it as an issue that
> concerns
> > > > > everyone.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "global warming" is a NON-event that the Left is trying to use
> to
> > > > > > > > > weaken the economies of capitalist economies.
> > > > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > > > > Why would the Left want to weaken the economies of non-
>capitalist
> > > > > > > > countries?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Spot the deliberate mis-quote.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ever notice who the non-capitalist countries which sign onto
> > > > > > > idiot-pacts like the Kyoto Accords are never called on to
> > > > > > > change THEIR production techniques (even though these same
> > > > > > > countries put FAR more C02 into the air than western countries
> > > > > > > for the same number of goods produced.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > The Kyoto accord was/is fatally flawed in many different ways. Many
> > > > > > third world countries consider it unfair that they, who are just
> > > > > > developing their industrial infrastructure, should be subject to the
> > > > > > same emmission controls that rich countries have set, especially
> when
> > > > > > those rich countries have spent the last 150 years chucking every
> kind
> > > > > > of crap about. That pisses them off because their development may be
> > > > > > stifled, as they may not be able to afford the cleaner equipment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nevertheless, this does not mean that global warming does not exist
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether global warming exists or not (and the only data that supports
> > > > > the conjecture is from weather stations that existed before
> > > > > industrialization which are now buried in the middle of local
> > > > > concrete-jungle hot-spots.
> > > > >
> > > > > Temperature data from RURAL weather stations shows ***NO CHANGE***
> > > > > for the last 100 years.
> > > >
> > > > Yet temperatures at the Poles is rising, and there is also a still
> > > > growing hole in the Ozone layer (though the latter may, admittedly, be a
> > > > natural fluctuation - difficult to judge with the very limited amount of
> > >
> > > Natural fluctuation...In other words, a NON-ISSUE.
> >
> > Please read what I wrote. I wrote 'MAY'. It isn't definite either way.
> > We need more data.
>
>
> It is the HIGHT OF ARROGANCE to consider that man has even a noticable
> impact on climate, short of redirecting water and latent-heat flow by
> rerouting a river from one body of water to another (like what is being
> done in China).
>
>
> >
> > > Do you know *WHY* the ozone-layer thins over the south pole during
> > > the southern-hemisphere winter?
> >
> > Yes, I do.
> >
> > > 1) Ozone is produced by ultraviolet rays interacting with oxygen
> > > atoms in the upper atmosphere
> >
> > Amongs other things
>
> Name one other source in the upper atmosphere.
>
>
> >
> > > 2) Ozone breaks down over time
> >
> > Accelerated by a number of artificially introduced chemicals
>
> The biggest destroyer of ozone is Chlorine....99.95% of which
> is introduced into the atmosphere BY THE OCEANS.
And the biggest contributor of greenhouse gasses is volcanic activity.
That doesn't mean we should spew more and more of the stuff willy nilly
into the atmosphere.
>
> Admiral Byrd detected increased UV radiation at the South Pole
> around the year 1900.
>
> There is ***ZERO*** data to support the *conjecture* that the
> ozone layer is thinner now than it was 100 years ago...let alone
> that it is due to the behavior of man.
That's because there is no data available - we weren't checking back
then.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > > 3) Any airmasss which doesn't get exposed to ultraviolet light
> > > experiences a decrease in ozone levels
> >
> > True
But meant to say, airmasses aren't stationary - they move around.
> >
> > > 4) Each polar region experiences a 90-day "night" during that
> > > hemisphere's winter.
> >
> > True
> >
> > > QED.
> > >
> >
> > Actually, I suspect that the factors are rather more complex than that,
> > and I'd rather get an atmospheric scientist's opinion on this.
>
>
> Is chemistry that difficult for you?
Atmospheric science is a specialist field. I'd rather stick to what I've
been educated in.
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > historical data available on that particular issue). There is a lot of
> > > > ice at the poles. What do you think will happen when that ice starts
> > > > melting. Nothing?
> > >
> > > No such thing is happening. A 2-mile hole in the cap was cleared by
> > > ice-breakers as a PUBLICITY STUNT. If this were a GENUINE process,
> > > then the whole ice cap would have been broken up....not PACKED LIKE
> > > A GLACIER as shown in the publicity-stunt photograph.
> >
> > Please read what I wrote. I wrote 'WHEN that ice starts melting'.
> > However, icebergs are being seen earlier and in larger quantities than
> > in the past. That suggests that something is causing the ice to break
> > up.
>
>
> Shit happens. In the late 1600's, there was ONE YEAR, which
> contemporary
> writers called, "The Year Without a Summer" wherein the entire
> spring/summer/fall sequence of months had temperatures approximately
> 20 F degrees (12 C) lower than normal.
Wasn't that due to a volcanic eruption in Asia somewhere? I seem to
recall something like that. Could be wrong, though.
I know the birth of Anak Krakatoa also caused climatic disruption. and
some very impressive sunsets!
> How did mankind induce this anomoly, and what did we due to restore
> the prevailing climate to normal?
>
> >
> > I've not heard of Icebreakers being used for a publicity stunt. And if
>
> Go find the photos...it's quite obvious that a patch was cleared with
> some sort of sea-fencing. The perimeter of the North Pole "hole"
> is clogged with piled-up sheet-ice....indicative of "crop-circle"
> shenanigans.
>
>
> > they had they'd have wandered about bits of frozen sea, not the cap
> > itself, because it is several miles thick. Not something that any
>
> Then how come US nuclear subs REGULARLY find hole and surface at
> the North Pole??? They have been doing this continously for over
> 40 years.
That's the geographic North Pole, which Robert Peary may have reached by
dog sled in 1909, and Byrd definitely did in '26, is covered by drifting
pack ice. The first submarine to reach it was the Nautilus in '58 and
Skate in '59.
The Magnetic North Pole, which is the more useful one, and the one I was
talking about (really, how much does the geographic North Pole affect
your life?) was at about 78º27' N, 104º24' W back in '93 (it moves
around a bit), placing it around the Queen Elizabeth Islands in Northern
Canada, while the geomagnetic North Pole was at 79º13' N, 71º14' W back
then. The thickness of the icesheet in the Polar regions varies. Of
course, the Geographic North Pole, being an icepack, is fairly easy for
a submarine to pierce, but elsewhere it isn't so easy. For instance, a
1,400 foot hole drilled in the snow sheet in Greenland didn't even get
to the underlying glacial ice, while an ice core was retrieved at a
depth of more than 4,560 feet from Northern Greenland (Camp Century,
IIRC). It gets better. In 1981 a core was hauled up from 6,680 feet,
also in Greenland.
Before you say anything - yes, the Greenland Ice cap is generally
considered part of the Polar region. The inland ice field is the second
largest in the world, stretching almost 1,600 miles, and 600 miles wide.
It has an average thickness of around 5,700 feet, increasing to around
11,000 feet in the middle of Greenland.
>
> > Icebreaker can take on, and it will take an awfully long of time for
> > that to melt.
>
> It was either pushed aside by using some sort of "bulldozer method",
> or a perimeter gradually expanded by netting while boats outside
> the perimeter broke up the sheet-ice.
That's an awful lot of effort to go to. Have you any documentary proof
for that? I'm willing to believe it, but I need some proof.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Global warming is all about providing an excuse for removing personal
> > > > > freedoms, and implementing more socialism as an attempt to keep those
> > > > > who are rich and powerful (Kennedys, Rockefellers, Rothchilds, etc.)
> > > >
> > > > Aha - I see you feel it necessary to single out a Catholic family and
> > > > two Jewish ones.
> > >
> > > Fuck you, racist pig. Religion has nothing to do with it...Plutocratic
> > > behavior does.
> >
> > Thank you. You are most charming. One would have to be warped indeed to
>
> I'm just returning your favors, asshole.
> If you don't like crap, then don't be dishing it out.
I would say I'm not dishing out crap, nor am I resorting to really
rather childish insults.
>
> > interpret what I wrote as racist, while it is easy for an impartial
> > reader to do so with your words of wisdom.
> >
> > >
> > > > Do you have a problem with them, or were they just the
> > > > first to come to mind?
> > >
> > > They are the best known wealthy-assholes in these parts. They are
> > > all known for pandering to the poor by promoting legislation that
> > > is harmful to anybody trying to improve their own personal economic
> > > situation.
> > >
> > > Socialism is merely a way for the "kings of the mountain" to
> > > a) install underground refrigeration to freeze the mountain side, and
> > > b) hose down the mountain side with water until it's covered with
> > > a sheet of ice...
> > >
> > > All at the expense of those on the bottom
> > >
> > > The quicker you and your friends figure this out, the sooner you
> > > will be allowed to KEEP YOUR OWN MONEY.
> >
> > I should make clear that I am a capitalist. A gentle one, admittedly,
> > but a capitalist nonetheless. And I've plenty of money. Thanks for your
> > concern, though.
> >
> > > >
> > > > > at the top by utterly destroying the means for anybody else to
> > > > > rise withing the socio-economic structure.
> > > >
> > > > Really? How do you explain the increase in the number of
> > > > multi-millionaires over the last 40 or so years? They seem to have done
> > > > pretty well... Not to mention the substantial growth in the size of the
> > > > middle classes since the 1950's, and particularly since the early
> > > > 1980's. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > ^^^^^^^
> > >
> > > That corresponds QUITE WELL with Reagan's initiatives to reduce
> > > socialism
> >
> > This would be the same Reagan who cranked up the US deficit to a quite
> > astonishing degree, no? But I was actually thinking of many countries
>
> More typical fucking marxist disinformation bullshit lies.
Please, is swearing absolutely necessary?
> The president doesn't have the authority to spend a single penny.
>
> Reagan chided congress into lowering taxes. The economic growth
> that ensued caused tidal wave of increased tax revenues...
> But the DEMOCRATS (i.e. Marxist socialists) decided that this would
> be horrible to let go unmolested, so they INCREASED SPENDING at
> such a rate that for every new dollar of tax revenues, the Democrats
> enacted THREE dollars of spending increases.
One would be hard pushed to call the US Democratic party as 'Marxists',
but then I doubt you know what Marxist philosophy entails. I suggest you
read some Marxist literature, so you actually know what you're talking
about. I'd also recommend that you read 'The Soviet Planned Economy,
first published (in English) by Progress Publishers in 1974. Read that
and you'll know a little more, and, more to the point, be grateful that
the Democrats are not Marxists Socialists.
But I doubt you will.
>
>
>
>
>
> > around the western world - you know, the Scandinavian ones, Germany, The
> > Benelux, France, heck, even Italy and Spain. Not just the US.
> >
> > Of course, having seen your posts around Usenet (and some of your
> > outlandish claims) I know that you consider all of Europe to employ a
> > more extreme form of Stalinism as its favoured political system, but
> > hey, it doesn't seem to have done them much harm.
> >
> > Excuse me, I've just got to go off and polish up my black helicopter and
> > get me some running dog capitalist lackeys! ;-)
>
> Strange how the more capitalistic the country, the better it's
> economy AND standard of living for ALL citizens is..
All citizens? Uhh, yeah right. The average standard of living in
Scandinavian countries is awesome, on par with, if not exceeding that of
the US has to offer its normal citizens. They've got socialist
governments. Unfortunately taxes are very high, but, as I said, the
standard of living is awesome. Personally I don't mind paying taxes if
it is for the good of people less fortunate than I.
Purely capitalist countries tend to show a huge gap between rich and
poor. Besides, the Kennedy, Rothschild and Rockefellers were all
capitalists. I thought you didn't much care for them?
ck
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From: Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun cannot use Java for their servers!!
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:21:33 GMT
Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Zenin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> There are many levels of computer user. My parents, for instance, are
:> very intelligent people, however their grasp of computers is rather
:> limited. FrontPage isn't targeted as a solely "professional web
:> publishing tool", it's also marketed as a simple tool for consumers to
:> build their own "home page". It would not supprise me at all to see my
:> parents use C:\ for their web site, after all "C:" is "their" hard drive,
:> why shouldn't they be able to put whatever they like on it? And therein
:> we find the real problem; My parents are nothing close to "stupid", but
:> computer professionals they are not. As such, this is a bug, clear and
:> simple, both in the OS (for allowing it in the first place) and the
:> application (for exploiting it).
:
: If you have such an issue with it, why are you letting your parents run a
: Win9X operating system? Surely they'd be better of with NT 4.0 or Win2k,
: where you can give them a user account instead of a root account and
: nicely mollycoddle them so that you're the only person who can do anything
: with the filesystem.
Better support for scanners, video editing, digital cameras, sound,
USB, games, etc, etc, etc... The usual drill. I need them to be
able to pickup pretty much any software title or hardware toy from
the local Frys and stand a good chance of it being supported. NT is
far to picky about hardware at the consumer level. At least I got
them off of Mac (finally).
However, I view it as an interim solution. If OS X turns out to be
half as good as it sounds, I'll more then likely move them back to
Mac after OS X has had a little bit of shakedown time. At least
supporting them on a Unix system remotely (400 miles away) would be
a hell of a lot easier.
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From The Blue Camel we learn:
BSD: A psychoactive drug, popular in the 80s, probably developed at UC
Berkeley or thereabouts. Similar in many ways to the prescription-only
medication called "System V", but infinitely more useful. (Or, at least,
more fun.) The full chemical name is "Berkeley Standard Distribution".
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Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun cannot use Java for their servers!!
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:33:25 -0400
"Zenin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> There are many levels of computer user. My parents, for instance,
> are very intelligent people, however their grasp of computers is
> rather limited. FrontPage isn't targeted as a solely "professional
> web publishing tool", it's also marketed as a simple tool for
> consumers to build their own "home page". It would not supprise me
> at all to see my parents use C:\ for their web site, after all "C:"
> is "their" hard drive, why shouldn't they be able to put whatever
> they like on it?
That would require them override the defaults which puts content in the "My
Web" folder, typically novice users don't override defaults. The truly
dangerous are those who "think" they know what they are doing and override
program defaults which is what you would have to do to save a Frontpage web
in the root directory.
On the other hand, I think MS should simply no allow the saving of web
content in the root directory because there is always somebody daft enough
to do it.
--
Nik Simpson
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: ZDNet reviews W2K server; I think you'll be surprised....
Date: 5 Sep 2000 12:31:46 GMT
In alt.destroy.microsoft Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: records are used to locate the various Active Directory service providers
: (such as Domain Controllers), obviously A records (dynamically created by
: Win2K hosts) are used to locate machines.
: So as long as BIND supports
: 1. SRV records
: 2. Dynamic updates
: 3. Incremental transfers
:
: it will enable all the features
:
:
You still did not address Guillano Colla's points:
> I tried to follow the discussion, even if I'm not really
> expert on networking issues. What I got is that in order to
> have a standard network feature like DNS work with W2K you
> must figure out how to do it, then modify something, install
> something, write scripts etc. in other components of the
> network. In my textbook knowledge, the basics of networking
> are that you may interconnect different users and servers
> without anyone being aware of what are the insides of the
> other, in order to avoid countless problems. That's
> something having even a standard name: "interoperability".
> If Microsoft has achieved to foul that with W2K, the only
> conclusion is that W2K is crap, not a debate on how to make
> this crap work.
To recap. To get DNS to work with DNS you have to:
(1) figure a work around
(2) modify several things (e.g. workstations) or
(3) install something (e.g. get the latest version of BIND?)
(4) write scripts
On the final point, you say writing scripts is trivial even without
documentation. You mean Joe six-pack of the street could figure
out DNS for W2K using scripts, without any documentation whatsoever?
Thats RUBBISH. Any scripting language requires some learning. Its not
something you are born with.
The BASIC issue you are failing to grasps is that DNS should be trivial,
seamless, and cause little disruption as possible. But you maintain
your ESOTERIC solution is "trivial", which is why Max said you are
just spouting a press release.
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From: Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:38:19 GMT
Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>snip<
:> No, I don't *care* about the complexities and work involved, because I
:> don't have to do it. I'm more than prepared to pay for someone to do it,
:> if necessary, *in a competitive market*. Competition is supposed to be
:> really hard; its how we keep things efficient.
:
: Okay... how about this scenario: What if the price of every piece of
: software you bought increased by a factor of ~ 5, because it had to be
: ported to 5 other OSes?
:
: So... for example, Half Life would cost $250 a copy.
: Would you buy it?
: Probably not.
Are you sure it would cost so much? Carful with your words, as
Half-Life already runs on 4 platforms, ditto for Quake III, and I'm
not even counting 98/NT/W2k as different (that would put the list at
6 for both).
Never mind the Half-Life and Quake game servers, which run on nearly
a dozen systems.
: OK... so what if the company decided to support two or three really
: popular OSs? ie. the most popular. They'd get the best return on their
: effort, and sell more copies.
Why would they sell more copies if you're no longer selling to as
large a customer base? You make no sense here.
: End result: eventually only 1, maybe 2 of those OSs still exist.
: Now do you see why this argument is futile?
No, honestly, I don't. While I understand you've been exposed to
large amounts of MS DirectBrainwash, but the reality is that not
only is cross-platform programming no where near as difficult as
you've been mislead to believe, even for "bleeding edge" game
programming, but it's also increasingly common. I know, I know, MS
has gone far, far out of its way to make cross-platform code as
difficult as possible, but nonetheless others have pushed back the
darkness enough to see the real issues.
: Is it any wonder that there used to be 20, maybe 30 different computers,
: and now you've got Apple and Intel?
It's no wonder at all...but not for the reasons you believe.
: Have you observed what happens in the highly competitive console market?
: You get three pieces of hardware, one of which dies in a year, one of
: which dies in two years (or hangs on by a thread), and the other ends up
: with 90% market share for four years. Rinse, repeat. I stopped buying
: consoles because I didn't want to back a lemon and have to buy a new one.
If Windows only maintained a monopoly for four years, that would be
great and the world a better place. Fact is though, through MS's
illegal and unethical handiwork, such a "natural cycle" has no
possibility of happening without outside intervention.
There is also the little problem that your analogy to the console
market is so non-parallel with the PC market it's little more then a
pathetic excuse for a strawman.
: End result though: for a while, one manufacturer comes out on top. Then
: the cycle starts up again.
"for a while" How long is a while? A decade? Two decades?
: Artificially enforcing that there be 6 different main systems out there is
: guaranteed to destroy the computer market. Heck, consoles can't even
: manage it -- and they've tried.
Consoles have an entirely different market structure then the PC
market.
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From The Blue Camel we learn:
BSD: A psychoactive drug, popular in the 80s, probably developed at UC
Berkeley or thereabouts. Similar in many ways to the prescription-only
medication called "System V", but infinitely more useful. (Or, at least,
more fun.) The full chemical name is "Berkeley Standard Distribution".
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: ZDNet reviews W2K server; I think you'll be surprised....
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:43:43 +0100
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Stuart Fox wrote:
> >
> > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Just to save you the effort, 'sfcybear'.
> > >
> [snip]
>
> I tried to follow the discussion, even if I'm not really
> expert on networking issues. What I got is that in order to
> have a standard network feature like DNS work with W2K you
> must figure out how to do it, then modify something, install
> something, write scripts etc. in other components of the
> network. In my textbook knowledge, the basics of networking
> are that you may interconnect different users and servers
> without anyone being aware of what are the insides of the
> other, in order to avoid countless problems. That's
> something having even a standard name: "interoperability".
> If Microsoft has achieved to foul that with W2K, the only
> conclusion is that W2K is crap, not a debate on how to make
> this crap work.
The only thing you should have got from this is that there is no one size
fits all DNS solution when using Active Directory. It will all depend on
your existing infrastructure, and how you choose to use what you have. The
discussion about scripting resulted from Matt throwing up red herrings.
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:58:00 +1000
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[sorry about the empty followups, it would appear slrn has been hiccuping]
> Said Darren Winsper in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 23:25:12 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> And if the prior version was DOS from three years and two owners
> >> previous, and you don't have that disk?
> >
> >Then get around it. [...]
>
> Been there, done that. Are all these consumers really so stupid as to
> think that they can be forced to have to 'get around' something put into
> a product for no benefit whatsoever to them, and that's OK?
>
> No, I *won't* get around it, dammit. Its *illegal*.
It's illegal to ask you to prove you're eligible for a discounted price ?
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From: Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun cannot use Java for their servers!!
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:47:49 GMT
Donal K. Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> WinNT and 2K have security and permissions which are superior to *nix
:> (DAC instead of G/U/E) so again this bug is a moot point.
>snip<
: Plus, there's more to security than the capabilities offered by the OS
: kernel. Userland configuration and standard application behaviours are
: similarly important, and that's where Unix (including Linux) kicks NT/2K's
: pants. (If apps usually want to write to a shared directory or execute
: random code downloaded over the 'net outside a sandbox, whatever security
: certification the OS kernel has is pretty much moot anyway...)
Actually, the kernel still comes into play. Basic things like the
"sticky" bit on directories (shared directory between users,
securely, such as /tmp) and more advanced interfaces such as
chroot(2) and FreeBSD's jail(2) system, not to mention resource
limits of all nature (both hard and soft, and on an class basis
similar to ACLs) and disk quotas (does NTFS have quotas, yet?).
I'd also be interested to know if NT/W2k has anything comparable to
4.4BSD's sysctl, that is a way to drastically reconfigure a running
system's kernel on the fly without reboot or other interruption.
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From The Blue Camel we learn:
BSD: A psychoactive drug, popular in the 80s, probably developed at UC
Berkeley or thereabouts. Similar in many ways to the prescription-only
medication called "System V", but infinitely more useful. (Or, at least,
more fun.) The full chemical name is "Berkeley Standard Distribution".
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