Linux-Advocacy Digest #919, Volume #29 Sun, 29 Oct 00 16:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Matt Kennel)
Re: Tuff Competition for LINUX! (lyttlec)
Re: Why don't I use Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: I'm sick and tired of you (was: Linux) (2:1)
Re: About the "other poor dork in deep shit, Claire" (2:1)
Re: Why should I keep advocating Linux? (2:1)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: Any better distributions? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Any better distributions? (Bob Hauck)
Re: The BEST ADVICE GIVEN. ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: sound software (Olav Fossgaard)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Caldera OpenLinux User)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Caldera OpenLinux User)
Dail up to ISP in Monkey-linux ("Jerry Wong")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Kennel)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:13:21 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: mbkennel@<REMOVE THE BAD DOMAIN>yahoo.spam-B-gone.com
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:29:00 -0700, Bruce Schuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:
:"Matt Kennel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
:news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> :Look at Oracle. You pay for the software by the mhz of the chip you run
:it
:> :on .... as if that was any of their f**king business.
:> :
:> :Upgrade the processor and pay more money!
:> :
:> :Talk about extortion.
:>
:> Why? I see no relation.
:
:I guess you are blind.
:
:> The problem with Microsoft's business practices is that they were
:intentionally
:> designed to thwart agreements between the Microsoft client and some other
:> third software maker by means other than offering a superior product.
:
:They were designed to strongly encourage companies that sold hardware to
:sell only Microsoft software in the same way GM, Ford, and Chrysler strongly
:encouraged franchisees to only sell cars made by the company that sold them
:the franchise.
But of course the automakers do not have market power to make a big
difference, because I see lots of franchises offering multiple
competing marques owned by different companies.
And automobiles are a free market with very low costs for competitive
substitution on the part of consumers {essentially the convenience of
the service bay to one's home is about it}, and do not have technical
features that govern the construction of major add-on parts of large
economic significance.
--
* Matthew B. Kennel/Institute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
*
* "To chill, or to pop a cap in my dome, whoomp! there it is."
* Hamlet, Fresh Prince of Denmark.
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From: lyttlec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tuff Competition for LINUX!
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:17:21 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:chpft8.4oe.ln@gd2zzx...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > snip
> > >
> > > So get ready for next week as me and my
> > > special guest Chad Meyers plans on discussing
> > > the CHINA 2000 open source model.
> >
> > Hee hee, I really enjoyed that. Imagine what will happen if
> > hackers get access to M$ code. They have found enough exploits
> > without it! How can anyone say they trust M$ s/w now (not that
> > they could have before). :-)
>
> But none of the Windows or Office source was stolen. Oh,
> that's right, you guys don't care about those pesky "facts" do
> you?
>
> -Chad
For Chad : How do you know that none of the Windows or Office source was
stolen?
For Charlie Ebert : How do you know that the the Windows and Office
source was stolen?
I would like to see either of you post something that settles the
question. Its important to know one way or another based on something
other than bald assertions. If the Russian Mafia and Chineese Triads do
have the source, then they have a lot of power.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why don't I use Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:18:10 GMT
For just viewing and slide showing, you should try Acdsee. They have a
sharware version.
claire
On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:36:39 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (A transfinite number of monkeys) wrote in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>Oh, you suffer from the problem that most windoze users suffer from.
>>You want your single program to do everything. Use gqview (it comes
>>with GNOME) for that. You found your image, great, right click and
>>choose Edit. GIMP is a *MANIPULATION* program, not a file browser.
>>Perhaps you'd like to use GIMP as a file manager, and a mail reader too?
>
>It does not seem unreasonable to expect a graphics package to manipulate
>graphics images in multiples, to me. Something as old as XV did it, why not
>GIMP?
>
>Can GIMP process batches of graphics image? Paint Shop Pro can.
>
>I wouldn't expect PSP to be a file manager (but then, take a look at what
>XV does) or a mail reader. Really, if you're going to pick examples, try
>picking ones that are sensible, not silly!
>
>>: Where's the animation editor?
>>
>>Oh, you probably mean something quaint like a timeline that you copy and
>>paste frames of animated GIFs (one of the worst ideas in the history of
>>the web) into, right? No need. GIMP does this with layers. Had you
>>bothered to do something silly, like say, go to Google and type in
>>"animated gif gimp", the very first link returned explains the entire
>>process. Very simple.
>
>How about AVI files?
>
>MPEG files?
>
>Why limit this to animated GIF?
>
>>My copy of GIMP prints just fine. Just for laughs, I wasted a sheet of
>>paper to verify that it does in fact still print just fine & dandy. My
>>LaserJet 2100M happily spat forth a page with my image on it. Perhaps
>>your printer is broken?
>
>Nope, my colour inkjet printer works just fine.
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:20:05 -0800
"Caldera OpenLinux User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> > "Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:38:35 -0700, "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > > There has been much talk about hidden ports in
> > > > > the back end of all windows products in the last
> > > > > year.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone who runs Zonealarm -- which reports unauthorized TCP/IP
traffic
> > IN
> > > > and OUT knows you are full of sh*t.
> > > >
> > > > We Zonalarm users know who has the hidden ports -- Real Audio ,
Adware
> > etc
> > > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > It ain't the Microsoft OS.
> > >
> > > With Microsoft's source in the hands of some very clever "hackers" all
> > bets
> > > are now off.
> >
> > So you suggest that no open source software is secure?
> >
> > I tend to agree with you. It's one of my beefs with Linux.
> >
> > Luckily Microsoft can now change their source code and keep those
changes
> > hidden.
> >
> > Linux users will always feel very afraid about the backdoors people
could
> > intorduce in their source.
>
> Assume you have the technical capability. Tell us how you're going to
create
> a backdoor and put it into Calderas distribution.
Well ... you have the source code. You alter it. Recompile. Distribute the
real source and altered binaries with counterfeit Caldera labels at computer
swap meets, on EBay etc for $5.
> Tell me why I have to fear you - what tricks are you going to do that are
not
> going to be evident in the source code.
Real source + altered binaries. Fake packaging.
Actually, I'm sure it's already happening. And you just haven't noticed.
>
> > Microsft caught the intruder when some accounts were created.
> >
>
> No one's been caught. Who were they?
> Why is MS obligated to tell us the full story about the break in? Isn't
is
> common for crimes to NOT be fully publicized in the press ?
SEC rules. Materially altering value of the stock etc etc.
>
> MS refuses to be hald liable for the security holes in windows. Try to
sue
> them if they have a security hole that causes you harm - what does that
us?
> Faith is a bad way to implement security - faith in closed code, faith in
full
> disclosure.
>
> What happened to MS doesn't indicate a superior security model. MS's
feature
> rich design puts too much empahsis on HUMAN decisions to enable security.
Open Source = a wonderful opportunity to alter source and distribute
original source with binaries made from altered source.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I'm sick and tired of you (was: Linux)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:11:14 +0000
> > >Early in the eighties, we had a text editor and some odd tools. They
> > >said we'd never have a compiler
>
> OK, you've a compiler. Every mass-market, consumer-friendly operating system
> needs one.
Look, you fool, of course every OS needs a compiler. Otherwise it's
useless. No compuler==no programs. No programs==no use.
> Should be one in every box. 99% of mass-market, consumer-friendly operating
> system users compile their own utilities. Uh-huh. Does it come with a punch
> card reader too?
Are you truly stupid or are you just pretending.
> > >Late in the eighties, we had a compiler and a complete set of Unix
> > >tools. They said we'd never have a kernel.
>
> You got the compiler twice? What a deal! Unix tools? Cool! Let's all take a
> trip back in time.
> Something tells me that "mass-market, consumer-friendly operating system"
> and "Unix tools" don't belong in the same sentence. But, I'll go your way on
> it."
Repeat the lasty queation to yourself.
> > >Early in the nineties, we had the complete foundation for a Unix
> > >system, including the kernel. They said we'd never have a friendly
> > >user interface.
>
> Did you get the compiler again? What's that? You want to use a bloated,
> multiple layered architecture designed for multiple user networked computing
> on a mass-market, consumer-friendly operating system? --to go along with
> over a dozen window managers in order to claim some semblance of a GUI?
> When 99% of these mass-market, consumer-friendly operating systems users are
> single-users doing basic computing chores?
>
> I don't know about your compiler from the 80's, but mine right now is saying
> "ERROR 429 cannot create object :Unix == mass-market, consumer-friendly
> operating system: "
I've come to the conclusion that you really are an idiot.
> Face it. At this point linux is a slightly interesting rip off of 30 year
> old technology with a face job being touted as a mass-market,
> consumer-friendly operating system. Quite a concept if only someone could do
> it right!
> Wonder why Steve Jobs didn't think of that.
> Hold on, what's that???.........
> hehe...
I don't have a kill file. Most people usually have something worthwhile
to say once in a while. You are making me seriously reconsider.
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: About the "other poor dork in deep shit, Claire"
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:11:55 +0000
Jacques Guy wrote:
>
> Perhaps Drestin Black is the best troll to deal with
> that one, after all. "Dork in deep shit" that's new
> material for you porn site, Drestin.
I really don't want those images in my brain.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why should I keep advocating Linux?
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:16:00 +0000
Brandon Van Every wrote:
>
> "spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > To the Wintrolls.....Go Away! This post has nothing to do with you.
> >
> > During the time I've tried to advocate Linux, I keep getting flamed
> > about how I'm not doing advocating Linux correctly.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > So I guess I have to conclude that I'm not a Linvocate that plays by
> the
> > Linux Advocacy rules (who made these rules anyhow?). Comments?
>
> Before vanishing into the ether from whence I came, I hope to give some
> of you younger souls a vision of your future. You think this is about
> Linux. It isn't. It's about newsgroups. You are almost completely
> wasting your time and your life hanging out in *.advocacy newsgroups
> discussing anything. It doesn't really matter if the subject is Linux
> or game development or politics or religion or racism or whatever. The
> only real value in advocacy discussion is as a training ground for
> engineers. Competition in the arena of implementation ideas keeps the
> brain sharp. But such conversation must be pursued by sharp brains, who
> have an achievable objective. Arguing about religious issues is
> dull-witted. And with time and industry experience, you'll realize that
> the PC industry has some inherent limitations of efficiency and
> engineering quality. Once you obtain this enlightenment you'll start
> incorporating these constraints into your design decisions. You'll see
> why Linux sucks. You'll see why Windows sucks. You'll see that they
> suck differently.
>
> Linux was "neat" for the first 3 years that I was learning everything
> about it. Then it got old. After you've learned everything about its
> basic capabilities it only continues to be "neat" if you DO something
> with those capabilities. That's a much higher level of engineering
> concern: what's the application? Are you trying to network virtual
> worlds together, or are you easily amused by the fact that you can
> manually compile some source code?
You keep spouting on bollocks about engineering, like you know what
you're talking about. Are you one?
I can proove I am one (or at least a student one at any rate)
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:35:21 -0800
"lyttlec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >
> > "joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >
> > > gm wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 04:42:22 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
>http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3310071.html?tag=st.ne.ron.lthd.ni
> > > > >
> > > > >3 FULL MONTHS they were stealing code and Microsoft
> > > > >has now admitted they got everything including Whistler!
> > > >
> > > > Do you even bother to read the very sources that you refer to?
> > > > What MS admitted was they saw code for programs that are in
> > > > development, but they did not see the code for existing products.
> > >
> > > "MS admitted"
> > >
> > > MS is NOT required to tell the public what was seen nor to be truthful
> > about the
> > > extend of the break-in.
> >
> > The SEC would require disclosure if it was material to the companies
> > fortunes.
> >
> > Shareholders could clearly sue if Microsoft lied about it.
> >
> > If you bring in the FBI you might be guilty of bad judgement, but you
aren't
> > guilty of a coverup.
> >
>
> But if there is a criminial investigation under way, they might not
> release everything because "a criminal investigation is in progress."
Not releasing everything <> coverup.
Anyone who thinks the FBI can keep a secret is hopelessly naive.
> How many times have you seen that? Also who decides what is material?
> The CEO, the Chief Technology Officer?
Microsoft DID NOT KEEP IT SECRET. Period.
The could have. They didn't. They bit the bullet and called in the FBI and
issued press releases.
>
> If you are a big stockholder in MS, are you going to force a lawsuite
> requireing MS to admit to loss of their source code?
If you make an investment in Microsoft after the breakin, and Microsoft has
lied to the SEC and the FBI, you sue sue sue, and most likely send the
people doing the coverup to jail.
>
>
> > >
> > > > That's a failure of the admin personnel, not a failure of the
> > > > software. It could easily have happened at any other company running
> > > > something other than Windows if the security administrator(s) aren't
> > > > keeping their eyes open.
> > >
> > > Baloney. Windows is designed with "features: that rely heavily on
> > individuals.
> > > It is a design flaw.
> >
> > People break into root on Linux boxes everyday. Go read the security
> > advisories.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Any better distributions?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:43:42 GMT
On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:05:35 GMT, Krastan B. Blagoev
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have been using Open Linux from 1.1 to 2.4.
>This is the last one I will use. I don't understand
>why Caldera (now public company) wouldn't put
>updates regularly on their site (they used to do it 4 years ago).
And they still do. The URL is:
ftp://ftp.calderasystems.com/pub/updates/eDesktop/2.4
You can also find this through:
http://www.calderasystems.com/support/
I think these URL's are listed in the manual and there is a link to the
web site on the default page Netscape shows when it starts. Note that
they discontinued "ftp.caldera.com" at least a year ago, so if you are
still using that, then that's your problem.
>I wanted to upgrade communicator from 4.72 to 4.75.
They have NS 4.75 in their updates directory. That's where I got it.
>Well, first I upgraded acrobat reader from 4.00 to 4.05
Which has nothing to do with Netscape, but what the hell.
>in math. formulas. Then I upgraded real player to 7.
>Real player 5 didn't get neither upgraded nor removed as
>promised by the rpm packager.
>So far I got all the rpms from Red Hat!!!
Why'd you do that? Use the Real Player from, uh, www.real.com. Get
the non-RPM version and let it install in /usr/local (the default if
you install as root). It will update your KDE links and mimetypes and
install the Netscape plug-in.
You can do rpm -e to remove RP5 or just leave it installed.
>Then from the same site I got the netscape rpm.
Which would be Red Hat, not Caldera.
>What a surprise when the rpm -U ...
>gave me the message that this rpm supports only
>software versions <=x.x3. Well how do I upgrade to x.x5 or x.x6!?
Well, first you get your updates from Caldera, since they aren't using
rpm > 3 yet. Then if you really want to upgrade rpm, get the rpm,
which should be packaged using an earlier version.
What Red Hat does isn't Caldera's fault you know.
>I also went through the trouble of installing from sources
>but then the mess was even bigger.
Installing what from sources? I do that all the time. Just put it in
/usr/local. Never had a problem.
My policy is that stuff I get from Caldera gets installed with rpm,
as much as possible other stuff gets compiled from sources and put in
/usr/local. Make /usr/local a separate partition, and you are even
covered at upgarde time.
>I think that if Caldera cared for its customers, after the bug in
>netscape < 4.75 was found would have put an upgrade for netscape
They _did_ put out a Netscape update. And lots of other things. All
at the URL above. If you had called or emailed Caldera about these
issues I'm sure they would have provided the information you needed.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Any better distributions?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:43:43 GMT
On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:18:58 +0100, Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I think that Mandrake might be the one for you.
No, he just needs to pay attention to what the current URL for updates is.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The BEST ADVICE GIVEN.
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:49:13 -0800
"Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 28 Oct 2000 21:56:24 -0400, Richard Hoskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > The real question is why M$ were daft enough to have their source
> > > code on any machine(s) that were in any way connected to the outside
> > > world.
> >
> > Gee, all the GNU source is on machines connected to the outside world,
> > and I've always considered that a GOOD THING.
>
> Yes, many educated eyes being cast over GNU sources leaves little chance
> for stealth code.
But what about stealth compiles? Imagine this scenario:
1) Download RedHats source
2) Add a back door.
3) Recompile
4) Create a CD with the new binaries and old source.
5) Distribute it with a counterfeit Redhat label.
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From: Olav Fossgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sound software
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:07:02 +0100
2:1 wrote:
> Does anyone know of an mp3 to wav converter (must be command line
> based). There seem to be lots that go in the other direction.
mpg123 will do this for you. To get file.wav from file.mp3 do "mpg123
--wav file.wav file.mp3"
> Also how do you play wavs under linux. .au seems to be OK (cat *.au >
> /dev/audio) and it there a wav to au (and reverse) converter anywhere
I use esound (the enlightened sound daemon) to play wave files with
"esdplay file.wav"
Olav
--
Love your enemies just in case your friends turn out to be a bunch of
bastards.
- R. A. Dickson
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:07:02 -0800
From: Caldera OpenLinux User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Bruce Schuck wrote:
> "joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > gm wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 04:42:22 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3310071.html?tag=st.ne.ron.lthd.ni
> > > >
> > > >3 FULL MONTHS they were stealing code and Microsoft
> > > >has now admitted they got everything including Whistler!
> > >
> > > Do you even bother to read the very sources that you refer to?
> > > What MS admitted was they saw code for programs that are in
> > > development, but they did not see the code for existing products.
> >
> > "MS admitted"
> >
> > MS is NOT required to tell the public what was seen nor to be truthful
> about the
> > extend of the break-in.
>
> The SEC would require disclosure if it was material to the companies
> fortunes.
> Shareholders could clearly sue if Microsoft lied about it.
>
> If you bring in the FBI you might be guilty of bad judgement, but you aren't
> guilty of a coverup.
It's common knowledge (at least I assumed until now) that companies are hacked
and that they don't fully disclose the details of the hack let alone what was
taken. The FBI is not required to all the details of a crime. I've never
heard that the SEC requires companies to disclose the full extent and nature
of a security breach. That was an creative excuse. It's baloney but it was
creative.
> > > That's a failure of the admin personnel, not a failure of the
> > > software. It could easily have happened at any other company running
> > > something other than Windows if the security administrator(s) aren't
> > > keeping their eyes open.
> >
> > Baloney. Windows is designed with "features: that rely heavily on
> individuals.
> > It is a design flaw.
>
> People break into root on Linux boxes everyday. Go read the security
> advisories.
Who said otherwise? No OS is perfect, the lack of perfection doesn't improve
the more vurnerable Windows system. Giving the user more options to engage or
disengage security and the deep integration of OS with Windows apps and data
are the problem. This integrated architecture is driven by a need to defend
MS from an anti-trust break-up, not to build a better OS. Now we know MS
cannot protect their crown jewels - OS source code. Denials and excuses like
yours are what helped put MS into this corner. The implications of this
computer architecture on Windows.NET are obvious.
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:11:38 -0800
From: Caldera OpenLinux User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > In <8tgov8$en5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/29/00
> > at 03:00 AM, "Harvey Louzon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> > >You're an idiot.
> >
> > He's not a complete idiot. If the source for Windows is out there and others
> > now have the tools for uncontrolled and/or unknown espionage -- then Wincrap
> > whatever should be removed from all US Government computers that have
> > sensitive information on them.
>
> TOTALLY AGREED.
>
> This incident has absolutely proven that Microsoft OS's are TOTALLY
> INSECURE.
Less secure.
It shows that MS's integration of DATA with APPS and the OS makes their
technology MORE vurnereable.
The impications for their highly integrated NET technology is obvious, it should
prove to be even harder to secure and protect.
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From: "Jerry Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.os.linux.slackware,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Dail up to ISP in Monkey-linux
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:22:46 +0800
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