Linux-Advocacy Digest #995, Volume #28 Fri, 8 Sep 00 07:13:06 EDT
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Re: Computer and memory ("Christophe Ochal")
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:25:02 +0200
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> The hills of Bravaria are world renound and the Alps are breathtaking,
> so I hear.
>
> Many Europeans are very nice, tolerant and pleasant. Unfortunatley,
> none of them have modems and it seems the European population is
> tainted by the ignorant and seemingly oblivious words of arrogant
> pricks like you.
Erm, i have a modem, and so do alot of other Europeans, we even have cable
& adsl, but not everyone is eighter willing to make the investment, or is in
a location where these are available, you still don't get it do you?
You're claim shows you don't know that much about Europe's economy, and no,
cheap internet connections have *nothing* to do with politics
BTW, i see you're calmed down abit? Maybe we'll be able to sort out this
mess after all
As for being a prick, i couldn't care less what you call me
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:27:58 +0200
Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> : Well, you seem a little too puffed up to see reality
> : anytime soon. Let me just point out that we aren't
> : 'superior' to other countries. We're bigger than some.
> : We're stronger than some. And we do it by being the blood
> : sucking leaches that we are. Yeah, that's being superior.
>
> So much for wishing, anyway.... Let me just point out that US is superior
to
> other countries in many ways, like it or not. There is a long list on the
> topic and I'm very tempted to post it just to piss you off.
Oh, but you're not arrogant are you? Come on Otto, can't you see what he
means? Use that grey matter in your skull & objectively reread his
statements, they sure were clear enough
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:58:00 +0200
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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>
> "Nathaniel Jay Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > And who exactly made the US the babysitter of the world?
>
> Lets see, Britain in World War I when they pleaded for our
> help.
The US would have gotten involved even if britain didn't ask, Germany was
set out to conquer the world, that includes the states
> Britain again in World War II. We also felt indebted to the
> French for their aid to us during the revolution where
> we, ironically, were escaping British tyranny not unlike
> German tyranny (but without the mass-attrocities). You know
> rule the world, "Sun never sets on the British Empire" kinda
> stuff.
What has this got to do with the current argument actually?
> Not to mention the Japanese had become quite unruly and
> had struck Pearl Harbor without much provocation.
Clearly they didn't agree with you on this
> Had we left it in the British and French's hands, we'd all
> be goose-stepping. Well, scratch that, the Euro's would all be
> goose-stepping, not Americans. American resolve and determination
> won the war. Had we decided not to help where would the Euros be?
Probably invading the States under Nazi command, not a pretty thought, is
it?
> The Brits should be on their knees thanking us and begging our
> forgiveness.
Get from you're trone, there were more factors at hand here
> > Would that be THE UNITED STATES?
>
> We resisted Britains requests several times. We did not make
> ourselves the power, everyone else in the world did.
I disagree, yes, Europe requested your help during WOI & WOII, but that
doesn't mean we elected you guys as being "the power".
During alot of wars countries ask other countries for help
> Someone had to stand up to the Communists. It certainly
> wasn't going to be the U.K. and certainly not France.
Erm, Nazi's weren't Communists
> > Our government is so worried that we won't keep our
> > goddamned strangle-hold on other countries that we
> > forget about any problems we have within our own
> > borders in favor of pointing a finger elsewhere
> > and saying, "Oh look, they are bad, we are good
> > because we see they are bad!" Which is basically what you
> > are doing here. Brilliant.
>
> Were you born yesterday? Do you not remember how the world
> was falling under Hitler's control? Had Hitler decided not
> to attack Russia, and decided to heed the warnings of
> the upcoming D-Day, the world would be a much, much different
> place.
There were alot of U-Turns in history,deal with it
> All these things you're typing, all this treason, you'd
He's not commiting treason, he's critising yes, last time i checked the
States were in favour of "free speech", or do you think that to be a bad
law? Would you prefer a dictatorship?
> probably be in a camp somewhere chipping rocks or you never
> would've been born at all because of birthing restrictions
> like in China.
Do you know *WHY* these restrictions are there?
> Consider yourself lucky.
He knows enough about the world to know how fortunate he is, we all are
> What if we didn't stand up to Soviet oppression? What if we
> didn't constantly put pressure on the Communists?
What makes you think the Sovjets would have attacked you?
> U.S. may not do the best job all the time, but it's certainly
> better than any other god-forsaken country on this planet
And here's the arrogance again
> can do. At least we don't have world wars breaking out
> like we did when we left Europe to the Europeans' control.
What? Now you're claiming you already rule the world? Hello? Arrogance?
> Where would the Balkan conflicts be if not for us? I still
> disagree with our being there, but someone had to stop the
> attrocities. Someone had to stand up and say no to Melosovic
> et al. The Brits and the French didn't seem to care that
> another Europe continental conflict was brewing again
> (not unlike the events that lead to WWI).
It is *VERY* unlike to the situation that led to WOI
And do you know why you guys jumped on Melosovic like that? Weren't there
any elections going on in the States at that moment? Or was that with Iraq?
> > Well, you seem a little too puffed up to see reality
> > anytime soon. Let me just point out that we aren't
> > 'superior' to other countries. We're bigger than some.
> > We're stronger than some. And we do it by being the blood
> > sucking leaches that we are. Yeah, that's being superior.
>
> Blood sucking leaches, eh? Have you ever watched
> Saving Private Ryan? You should. That's American determination
> and American resolve in the face of ultimate defeat and
> tyranny.
Have you ever watched the documentaries about 'Nam?
> Americnas are not blood sucking leaches (you may be), we care
I'm sure he can explain more elaboratly what he means
> about humanity and attempt to preserve it when no one else
> seems to care (not even the Brits or Francs). We keep bastards
<whipes tears out of eyes>
Sorry there, that was just so damned funny!
> like Sadam Hussein in place. Sure, we got some oil from the
That was the *ONLY* reason why the States reacted, *PROFIT*
> deal, but we also helped prevent Sadam from causing even more
> instability in the Mid East and saved millions of more lives
> from being destroyed.
So you just starve milions of others instead, with the blocades
> Tell me, Nathan, what have you done in your worthless life?
What have you?
> Have you saved one human being? Have you fed one starving
> child? Have you sacrificed your life to save another or
> a group of innocent people? Americans do this every day
Geez, as if the States is the only country doing those things... the UN
isn't just the States, wake up & smell the roses
> all around the world. Without our power and ability to
> deploy full-force anywhere in the world within 2 days, this
> world would be even more in turmoil than it is now.
Maybe, maybe not, it's nearly impossible to make that claim solid
> Try living in West or Southern Africa for a year. Try
Offcource all the financial support comes from the States, the billion of
dollars send to these places by Europe don't count.. Right!
> saying the things you're saying now about our country
> to one of their countries and see how long it takes them
> before your throat is slit and you're hanging from your
> testicles in a town square and everyone is spitting on
> your body and burning your extremeties.
Well, you go walk in Cuba or Iraq & tell us how well you've been treated
> The only reason you have ANY of the freedoms you have
> now is beacause Americans choose to fight for right and
> choose to stick their nose into other people's business
> when their business was mass murders and ethnic cleansing.
And lets not forget, when there are profits to be made
> When no one else would, America was there.
You really think that this has anything thruthfull to it?
> Remember that when you're sleeping in your nice comfortable
> bed watching your nice T.V. sipping on your nice brandy.
How corny
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:13:26 +0200
Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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>
> "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8oMt5.977$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> : > Hey listen you communist moron, we are not all the same not even on
the
> : > country level, much less on the individual basis. Tell that to the
> : Europian
> : > countries not to handle their neighbors as enemies and stop figthing
> each
> : > other. People in the US can't tolerate it anymore, cost too much to
> settle
> : > their differences.
> :
> : ...
> :
> : You just prooved his point you bloody idiot, or are you to blind to see
> it,
> : you republican! (there!)
>
> Is that suppose to be an insult :)?
Nah :-)
> : His post is correct, learn world history, and
> : you've got more blood on you're hands than any European country.
>
> Let me refresh your memory, World War I and World War II. Did it not start
> in Europe, by European countries? Need I remind you the results of those
> wars?
Nope, i know that part of history quite well, but there *was* no Europe in
those days
> : (Where are the native americans? Oh right, they're wiped out,
>
> Another lesson in history, just for you and the seemingly weak education
> system in Belgium.... The native americans, a.k.a indians, were wiped out
by
> European settlers way before someone could blame the US for it. Not to
> mention the fact that in the early years of US most of the population was
> Europeans.
Those Europeans are your ancestors
> : what happened
> : in 'Nam? Where did that Atom bomb fall?
>
> Not in my neigborhood....
No, the only country to be foolish enough to use the bomb was the States, do
you remember what Einstein said it was? Madness?
> : How many people have died at the
> : hands of the States? Need i go on?)
>
> No you don't, I surrender. US is the only country in the world which has
> bloody hands, right?
Nope, we all have blood on our hands, but it looked like Chad doesn't
realise this, tell me, what would happen if a guy as Chad became the ruler
of a nation as big as the States? I dare not think of the result...
> : > There is nothing wrong in believing that the US is superior when
> compared
> : to
> : > other countries. Not to the level of "Uber alles Deutch", but just a
> : healthy
> : > national pride. Seeing what you posted make me wish that you do shut
up.
> :
> : Otto, if that's your name (German name btw), there's a difference
between
> : being proud about your nation & the way you act, infact, you're a
disgrace
> : for the States
>
> That's funny that you'd know the origin of my name, although somewhat
> understandable. Quite of few Ottos marched through your country couple of
> decades ego. They didn't go 70 miles/h, more like 50 km/h..... Guess which
> country gave you back your country?
What would have happened if the States didn't interfere with WOI & WOII?
Germany would most likely have won, and attack the States, sooner or later
I have no problems with the position the States is in, but with the attitude
people like you & Chad have, although you seem more reasonable then Chad tho
;)
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:17:22 +0200
Quantum Leaper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> Vikings, Romans, Nazis and Crusades need I go on? Maybe learning your
> European history may help. The Europeans killed more native americans in
> the first 100 years, than the USA ever did. It wasn't though war but
> though disease. More than half of the population for the americas were
> wiped out though European diseases.
> 'Nam was started by the French. The Nazis killed more people than the USA
> ever did, in any single war.
vikings, Romans, Crusades, these were committed by both our ancestors, as
for the Nazis yes, they killed millions of people, but tell me, how many
were killed in Hiroshima in one day?
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:01:56 +0200
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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>
> "Grega Bremec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > ...and Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> used the keyboard:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > >... Do you not remember how the world was falling under Hitler's
> > >control? Had Hitler decided not to attack Russia, and decided to
> > >heed the warnings of the upcoming D-Day, ...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > This thread is now officially dead.
>
> Hmm.. somehow I don't think Godwin's law applies here.
>
> I believe this is a corallary
>
> The thread had evolved to the point where USA's usefulness in the world.
I nor anybody else claimed the US had no usefullness, What i accused you of
was arrogance, and i'm still standing with that accusation, you seem to
think all the good in the world is done by the States, wake up Chad, it
isn't, the world is made up out of different nations & countries, and that's
a good thing
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:19:57 +0200
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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>
> "Nathaniel Jay Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Well, actually, I killfiled him already. That's why it
> > was attached to your post (which quoted him). But I had
> > to say something.
>
> Kind like sticking his fingers in his ear and humming really
> loud. Real adult. For such holier-than-thou attitude with
> nothing to back it up, you can reall be a jerk, "Nathaniel".
Well, some don't seem to need to stick fingers into their ears to be deaf to
simple reasoning (sounds familiar?)
> > Arrogance is not something that I can just shrug off.
> > Especially when it is accompanied by stupidity and false
> > logic.
>
> How do you live with yourself? You must've smashed all your
> mirrors by now.
I think he has more problems with people like you then himself
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:24:21 +0200
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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>
> "Nathaniel Jay Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > I like how he says, "I'm not saying we're superior" and
> > then proceeds for a few paragraphs to show why he think we
> > are.
>
> Do you guys even read one sentance of what I write?
Unfortunatly, yes
> I never said we're superior, I just said we've got the
> telco thing figured out and you're getting mad at us for it.
No, that's not why we were getting mad, it's because of you're attitude that
we got mad
> All I'm saying is (for the 11th time now) quit whining and
> fix your own telco problems and join us! We'd love to have
> more people on the Internet. Preferably ones who can
> read and who have some thread of independant thought, but
> hey, the more the merrier.
Erm, who's the one that's got no independant thought? Not i...
> Instead they insist on insulting me and saying I'm somehow
> showing a superiority complex.
You are, live with it
> It's not that hard folks, really.
Nope, it would only require one line from you
> > And BTW Chad, I'm not a whiny Brit. I'm a whiny American,
>
> You're a whiny asshole is what you are. You don't even
> know what the hell you're talking about.
He seems to know better then you
> > sick of seeing other Americans act like assholes just
> > because they are part of the 'Great United States'.
>
> <sigh> Then move to Europe, prick. See how you like it
> there if the States suck so bad.
He might actually find that the only difference would be the people's
attitudes
> No one's being an arrogant asshole but you and a few of
> these other jerks.
And don't forget to include yourself here now
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:17:54 +0200
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> Quantum Leaper wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > Vikings, Romans, Nazis and Crusades need I go on? Maybe learning
your
> > European history may help. The Europeans killed more native americans
in
> > the first 100 years, than the USA ever did. It wasn't though war but
> > though disease. More than half of the population for the americas were
> > wiped out though European diseases.
> > 'Nam was started by the French. The Nazis killed more people than the
USA
> > ever did, in any single war.
>
> Hell, the Nazis killed more people than the US military has killed in
> all wars combined.
That seems a little overexagerated tho
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:27:08 +0200
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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>
> "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:OgNt5.987$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
>
> > > I did, that's whats so frustrating about dealing with you people. I
have
> > > to make the point about 10 times before it sinks in.
> >
> > No, you have to express yourself clearly, if you can do that, offcourse
>
> Are most European languages like this?
>
> You must repeat the same phrase 10 times for it to have the appropriate
> emphasis and meaning?
My native language isn't English, yours is, yet, you seem to have problems
expressing yourself...
Baka...
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:08:56 +0200
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> > Chad, you are a fool of truly grand proportions. Since you didn't
> > understand first time, I don't know exactly why I'm tyring to spell it
> > out.
>
> I've understood since day one. You guys are the ones that aren't
> listening to me.
>
> Case in point:
> ---------------
> > Internet access in Britain is not slow per se. As it happens, at my
> > college, I get completely free broadband access.
> > The problem lies in the _link_ to the USA. That _LINK_ is slow,
> > therefore it takes a long time to download large software service packs
> > from Redmond. That has nothing to do with the general speed of internet
> > access in the UK. It has to do with the transatlantic link. Or mabey you
> > guys have a faster transatlantic link than us ;-)
> ---------------
>
> Ok, so? My point:
>
> Instead of whining about your connections and blaming it on everyone
> but yourselves, why don't you fix it?
Read again "It has to do with the transatlantic link"
> Why do you wait for us to do something for you?
Because maybe, just maybe, they need approval from the States
> Why doesn't your government subsidise some of your corporations to
> build a bigger, faster link, or a satellite link, etc.
And who says they don't have that? Or maybe that both sides haven't made an
agreement about it?
> American corporations are building global LEO satellite meshes to
> bring wireless Internet to the entire world (Teledesic).
> What are European corporations doing?
> I'm not trying to be holier-than-thou, I'm just wondering.
> You seem to like to bitch a lot about the situation and somehow
> blame it on us, but it doesn't appear you're really doing anything
> about.
Maybe because this is an issue that's not bound to one country but multiple
countries
> So, you should:
>
> a.) shut up and do something about it
> b.) shut up and sit there in your own do-nothingness
Read the above
> You don't hear me complaining that education could be better in the
> States. I'm doing something about it! I'm electing officials who
> take education seriously, I'm donating money to private educational
> organizations that are helping to improve the situation.
Who says he's not doing anything about it?
> Do you NOW FINALLY UNDERSTAND THE POINT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE
> FOR THE PAST WEEK?!
<Me rubs his ears>
> No arrogance, no attitude, just a suggestion.
> What if I sat here and bitched that British Airways didn't come
> to Austin, TX and then presumed to blame it on the British for
> being exclusive and stuck up? I'd be wrong! They don't come here
> because there's no money to be made! Likewise, stop bitching
> about the poor telco and Internet situation in Britain and
> DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
The argument itself started due to the way you said this, wich was
patronising & arrogant
> Just some advice!
Had you chosen you're words better in the first place there wouldn't have
been an argument to begin with
> > If you can't understand this, then you are truly stupid. I now await a
> > reply from you detailing your complete lack of understanding and a
> > healthy dose of xenophobia.
>
> Jesus, do you guys get high or drink before you read my posts?
I don't
> This last paragraph shows that you have read NOT ONE FUCKING SENTANCE
> of ANYTHING I have wrote in this thread.
Hell, i don't even know what xenophobia is
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:14:11 +0200
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> Aaron,
>
> See what I have to deal with? They don't read your posts and
> then continue to chastize you for some point you never even made.
>
> Worse than that you have to continue explaining simple logic,
> ecomonics and democracy to them!
You're talking to people in other nations, this imposes all sorts of places
misunderstandings can originate, that's usenet, also, the way governments
work in different countries is also a source for such misunderstandings.
The way you discribed Walfare in Europe is a good example of this.
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