Linux-Advocacy Digest #995, Volume #25 Fri, 7 Apr 00 00:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? (Jim Richardson)
Re: Let's just have a discussion about Global Domination ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: BOOKS ON LINUX ? ("Pencil Necked Geek")
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS (Gary Hallock)
Re: DID BILL GATES HAVE COSMETIC SURGERY?????? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
(Terry Porter)
Re: A question fo Mark Bilk (way OT) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A question fo Mark Bilk (way OT) (rob)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters. ("fmc")
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters. ("fmc")
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters. ("fmc")
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
(Damien)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
(Damien)
Re: RH linux stable?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
(Damien)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 02:50:53 GMT
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:57:56 GMT,
Leonard F. Agius, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>You a regular laugh a minute. Not.
>
>I have a basis to make my statements from, given that I've spent the last
>seventeen years in sales and marketing.
Oh this is rich, this is really, funny
Thanks Lenny, I haven't laughed like this in ages...
--
"So then he says, `I know it, I am in marketing'"
:)
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Let's just have a discussion about Global Domination
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 02:45:57 GMT
> Check my facts, ANYBODY! I'm totally amazed that nobody is reading=20
> this post nor-responding. It's that amazing there is absolutely NO
> discussion about this.
>
> It does not matter a flip what new gadget Microsoft might come out
> with on any future OS. What matters is the COST.
I am a Linux user now primarily because of the cost barrier imposed by
Microsoft for me to duplicate my work environment at home. I need to be
able to read and write documents in Word format (yucch), I needed a
spreadsheet, a quick-and-dirty database, a browser, e-mail, and all the
other typical desktop junk. And no, my employer wouldn't reimburse me.
When I bought this PC, all it had on it was Windows98. My wife and I
uncrated it, got it plugged in, and both said to each other "where's the
software?" when it booted up. Notepad is not word processing, folks.
So we hopped in the car and ran down to the local Staples office
supply. We had a list of what we needed, and started loading up the
shopping cart and adding up the prices. We left the cart in the aisle
after less than twenty minutes (but more than two thousand dollars).
Ran across the street and bought Caldera Linux and a fullblown copy of
WordPerfect for less money than we had got shafted for for the pathetic
stripped Windows98. Formatted right over the top of Windoze, and
haven't looked back.
You're right; it really _was_ the exorbitant cost of Windows that got us
here. And I hope MSFT keeps raising their prices; makes Linux and
Mac/OS look better and better....
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From: "Pencil Necked Geek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: BOOKS ON LINUX ?
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:02:18 -0500
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:09:37 +0200, Luca Marchese wrote:
> >ALL THE BOOKS ON LINUX IN THE WORLD ARE HERE
> >
ALL THE BOOKS IN THE WHOLE WORLD!?!?!?! WOWEEEEEEEE! THERE MUST BE
BAJILLIONS OF THEM!!! WAIT TILL I TELL ALL MY AIM BUDDIES ABOUT THIS!!!
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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 23:07:21 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Ah, but the question is whether the cause for the BSODs is:
>
> a) The nastiness of the applications ("Often true")
> b) The nastiness of the OS underneath ("Also often true")
>
> It is not terribly attractive to run stuff that may just BSOD because
> it's flakey; it is, however, possible that apps could run more cleanly
> atop WINE than they would atop "real Windows."
>
> I can't speak for Quicken's "level of nastiness;" it is *possible*
> (though merely speculative) that Quicken *might* run more reliably
> atop WINE than atop "real Win32."
> --
> "We blew it -- too big, too slow..." - Bill Gates talking about NT, as
> noted by Steven McGeady of Intel during a meeting with Gates
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
And, if we are to believe the winvocates that keep blaming drivers rather
the Windows for all of those BSODs, then apps will definitely run more
reliably under Wine than on Windows since those nasty Windows drivers
aren't used. And of course, if the app does crash, Linux will stay
running.
In fact, this is not just theory. Lotus Notes runs faster and is more
reliable under Wine and Linux than on Windows.
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: DID BILL GATES HAVE COSMETIC SURGERY??????
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:04:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (CG) wrote:
> I saw him on tv this morning and he looks different. Any ideas on
> this?
>
He looked like a geek. A nervous billionaire geek, but a still a geek.
Did a quick altavista search for reconstructive surgeons offering
geekoplasty and got no hits.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS
supporters.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 7 Apr 2000 11:16:26 +0800
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:44:22 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 6 Apr 2000 05:02:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree) wrote:
>
>
>>>Who wants to go and edit .slrnrc everytime a change is needed. I can
>>>pull messages from any newsgroup I want on a custumized basis, and
>>>change it on the fly, and read one group while the other do there
>>>thing, all without editing one single file.
>>>And I can put them all back to defaults the next time, again without
>>>one statement being entered in a file.
>>
>>This is a contrived argument if ever I heard one. I use, and
>>have been using slrn and I have only ever to configure it twice.
>>Once, the first time I set it up, and again when I went from
>>Slackware 3.6 to 4.0.
>
>And I can take Agent.ini with me and all my defaults will go with it
>also.
Hmm hope Agent runs on Win2k, WinNT or whatever you upgrade to.
Hope it can read the .ini file.
>
>What I am saying is that each group can have it's own properties, like
>slrn,
???
Groups don't have properties in Slrn, Steve has NO knowledge of Slrn.
> but with Agent I change anyone of these on a group by group
>basis any time I want. I can read new messages in one group while the
>last 1000 are downloading from a group I might not have looked at in a
>while
Such as alt.howto.use.Linux.for.wintrolls ?
> and at the same time I can sample any number of messages in a
>new group to see if I would be interested in that group.
Why would you want to live in the past Steve, the net has improved
,now its cheap and fast. Move with the times, get Linux and Slrn
instead of being stuck with that old trash of yours.
>
>Doing the above is a horror story with slrn/leafnode/suck/slrnpull
>(for offline reading).
Same horror as using a shovel, to dig the Hoover Dam, move into the future
Steve, get Slrn, get the *right* tool for the job.
>
>
>>>Back up 500 messages in a single group because I might have missed
>>>something?
>>>Easy with 2 clicks of a mouse, all while I am reading the other groups
>>>which I have changed properties on just for this session, all on the
>>>fly.
>>
>>How often do you do that? This is yet-another-contrived-example.
>
>So it's contrived when I point out a useful aspect of Agent but when
>some other poster shows all kinds of nutty things GNU's can do, things
>that 1/999 of the normal population will never do it's called
>"powerful".
Nutty ???
Oh I'm impressed, with this intelligent critique of Steves, tell us more ?
Fruity, tangy, full flavoured ?
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A question fo Mark Bilk (way OT)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:14:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> I'm just curious how do go about doing all of these Deja
> searches you do?
>
> Do you have some program that makes it easier/faster or do you just
> wade through the power searches?
>
> Reason I'm asking is I find deja to be maddeningly slow and I do not
> have the patience to wait and wait and wait for the information to
> appear.
>
> Just curious.
>
Must be your karma. Only took me half-a-second to find out you had
posted to C.O.L.A 123 times.
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From: rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A question fo Mark Bilk (way OT)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:27:46 -0600
Check out a script I wrote to view deja. You may not like
it; it's tailored for my needs. It also isn't 'well-rounded'
like a commercial product; for instance, if you do a search
that doesn't have any matches, it's not immediately obvious.
I'm not planning to develop it much more because I use it
every day and it meets my needs.
FWIW, here it is:
http://www.spinn.net/cgiwrap/~rabbott/cgi-bin/deja.cgi
Email me if you want the source (perl5)
Tim Kelley wrote:
>
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 20:14:12 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hi Mark,
> > I'm just curious how do go about doing all of these Deja
> >searches you do?
> >
> >Do you have some program that makes it easier/faster or do you just
> >wade through the power searches?
> >
> >Reason I'm asking is I find deja to be maddeningly slow and I do not
> >have the patience to wait and wait and wait for the information to
> >appear.
>
> The old dejanews interface is available here.
>
> deja.com is also much faster if you use junkbuster to block their
> ridiculous ads.
>
> http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/deja.html
>
> --
> Tim Kelley
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "fmc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 02:54:35 GMT
"Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:10:54 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |
> | "Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> | news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> | > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:45:06 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> | > fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > |
> | > | "Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> | > | news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> | > | > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:23:00 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> | > | > fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > | > |
> | > | > | "Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> | > | > | news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> | > | > | > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 02:42:15 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> | > | > | > fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > | >
> | > | > | > | You see, my rights are not doled out by the government. I
also
> | > | happen
> | > | > | to
> | > | > | > | own MY intellectual property. I'm not interested in
controlling
> | > | anyone
> | > | > | > | else's, and no one else has the right to copy what belongs
to me
> | > | without
> | > | > | my
> | > | > | > | permission. RS may think otherwise, but he's wrong.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Really? Perhaps you can explain how you own the right to
limit
> | what
> | > | > | > other people can say or do?
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Non sequitur. I said nothing about limiting someone else's
rights,
> | only
> | > | > | about protecting my own.
> | > | >
> | > | > Okay then. You are a wonderful programmer. So wonderful that I
just
> | > | > purchase a CD of one of your wonderful programs. All of my
friends
> | > | > think your program is wonderful to, so I make them all copies.
How
> | > | > does this infringe on your rights?
> | > |
> | > | They infringed on my rights by using a program that I own the
rights,
> | > | without first getting my permission (or paying me if that's one of
my
> | > | requirements). You broke the law by making an illegal copy and
> | distributing
> | > | it. RS thinks it's OK to do that, but the laws are on my side.
> | >
> | > They used something that I provided them. You are out of the loop.
> | > Neither you nor any of your belongings are involved. How are your
> | > rights affected?
> |
> | If I bought a laptop from a pawnshop, and you later found out that it
was
> | the one that had been stolen from you, would you expect to get it back,
or
> | are you "out of the loop" because neither I nor the dealer had anything
to
> | do with the theft?
>
> That analogy is irrelevant. The laptop is your property. In my
> original analogy, the CD's are my property. I am the rightful owner.
> Hence I should have complete control over what I do with them. Do you
> dispute that?
The CD content is NOT your property because the owner never sold it to you.
He sold you the right to use it in the fashion specified in the license. He
reserved the right to make and distribute copies for himself. If you don't
believe that, try to buy any commercially licensed (non-GPL) application
with understanding that you intend to make and distribute copies. You'll be
laughed out of the store.
>
> | > The law is also irrelevant here since you said earlier that your
rights
> | to your intellectual "property" exist without
> | > government recognition.
> |
> | That's a ridculous statement, considering it comes from someone
associated
> | with MIT . I said my rights were not created by the government. That
> | doesn't means the government doesn't recognize them or can't act to
protect
> | them. They do that routinely.
>
> It's not a ridiculous statement. You said you disagree with RMS and
> supported that with the fact that the law was on your side. I pointed
> out where you said earlier (look up a few paragraphs) that the
> government does not decide what rights you have. If that is so, then
> you need to support your claim that you have the right to limit what I
> do with my property with more then the fact that the law agrees with
> you.
I'm not trying to limit your right to do with your property as you see fit.
Just because you have a CD in your possession, or some code on your HD, it
is not yours to do anything with that you see fit. Your only rights are the
rights granted to you by the license.
fmc
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From: "fmc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:08:25 GMT
"Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:10:54 GMT, fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:45:06 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> >> fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> |
> >> | "Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> | news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> | > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:23:00 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> >> | > fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> | > |
> >> | > | "Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> | > | news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> | > | > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 02:42:15 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> >> | > | > fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> | >
> >> | > | > | You see, my rights are not doled out by the government. I
also
> >> | happen
> >> | > | to
> >> | > | > | own MY intellectual property. I'm not interested in
controlling
> >> | anyone
> >> | > | > | else's, and no one else has the right to copy what belongs to
me
> >> | without
> >> | > | my
> >> | > | > | permission. RS may think otherwise, but he's wrong.
> >> | > | >
> >> | > | > Really? Perhaps you can explain how you own the right to limit
> >what
> >> | > | > other people can say or do?
> >> | > |
> >> | > | Non sequitur. I said nothing about limiting someone else's
rights,
> >only
> >> | > | about protecting my own.
> >> | >
> >> | > Okay then. You are a wonderful programmer. So wonderful that I
just
> >> | > purchase a CD of one of your wonderful programs. All of my friends
> >> | > think your program is wonderful to, so I make them all copies. How
> >> | > does this infringe on your rights?
> >> |
> >> | They infringed on my rights by using a program that I own the rights,
> >> | without first getting my permission (or paying me if that's one of my
> >> | requirements). You broke the law by making an illegal copy and
> >distributing
> >> | it. RS thinks it's OK to do that, but the laws are on my side.
> >>
> >> They used something that I provided them. You are out of the loop.
> >> Neither you nor any of your belongings are involved. How are your
> >> rights affected?
> >
> >If I bought a laptop from a pawnshop, and you later found out that it
was
> >the one that had been stolen from you, would you expect to get it back,
or
> >are you "out of the loop" because neither I nor the dealer had anything
to
> >do with the theft?
> Bad example, there is only ONE laptop.
>
> This topic has been rehashed to death, suppose I borrow your laptop,
> stick it in a cloning machine, and make another, which I keep. You get
yours
> back ... what then, have you been robbed, was there theft, have you been
denied
> use of your laptop due to my cloning ?
>
Thanks for returning my laptop. The one you cloned is an illegal copy, and
violates not only the copyrights of the software licensors, but the patents
of the manufacturer as well.
fmc
> --
> Kind Regards
> Terry
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From: "fmc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:28:48 GMT
"Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:22:38 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |
> | "Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> | news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> | > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:48:53 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> | > fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > |
> | > | "Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> | > | news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> | > | > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 06:33:52 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> | > | > fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > | >
> | > | > | > That's not an "also". You have rights to property because
your
> | rights
> | > | are
> | > | > | > inalienable, and not "doled out" or in any other way provided
by
> | the
> | > | > | > government. Other than their successful efforts to ensure
that
> | > | other's
> | > | > | don't
> | > | > | > deal themselves into your rights on their own.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | I'll go along with that.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > But as far as *intellectual* property goes, the very concept
is
> | > | created
> | > | > | and
> | > | > | > manifest solely by government laws providing your ideas and
your
> | > | mental
> | > | > | works
> | > | > | > with the same protection against others as your speech and
your
> | > | physical
> | > | > | > property.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | They created a concept, but not the innate rights.
> | > | >
> | > | > Tell me what right you have to control what people do with their
> | > | > computer / VCR's / printing presses ?
> | > |
> | > | No more right than the law has in limiting what people can do with a
> | > | crowbar. If you use one to break into my house, then you've
violated
> | the
> | > | law.
> | >
> | > So you equate what I do in my home with my belongings with breaking
> | > and entering?
> |
> | No, my analogy was about the improper use of a legal tool. You can use
your
> | hardware to copy your own files. You don't have the right to copy
someone
> | elses files unless they agree to give you that right.
>
> Okay, so if they are my files, on my hardware I can do with them as I
> please?
Yes, if they are legally yours to do with as you please, in the sense that a
story you wrote on your word processor is your file. You could scan a Tom
Clancy novel onto your HD, but it would be an illegal copy. If I had an
illegal copy of something on my system, the last thing I'd do would be to go
around bragging that it was my file
fmc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 07 Apr 2000 03:34:38 GMT
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 02:54:35 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| The CD content is NOT your property because the owner never sold it to you.
| He sold you the right to use it in the fashion specified in the license. He
| reserved the right to make and distribute copies for himself. If you don't
| believe that, try to buy any commercially licensed (non-GPL) application
| with understanding that you intend to make and distribute copies. You'll be
| laughed out of the store.
That's because that's illegal. It's not because people have some sort
of innate right to their intellectual "property".
| I'm not trying to limit your right to do with your property as you see fit.
| Just because you have a CD in your possession, or some code on your HD, it
| is not yours to do anything with that you see fit. Your only rights are the
| rights granted to you by the license.
But you do limit my right to do with my property as I see fit. You
make it illegal to put a certain sequence of ones and zeros on
hard disks and CD's that are my property. The way I see it, things I
own are my to do with as I see fit. I don't accept that my rights are
limited to the terms of some license I never negotiated nor signed.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 07 Apr 2000 03:38:41 GMT
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:08:25 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|
| "Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
| news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
| > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:10:54 GMT, fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > >
| > >"Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
| > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
| > >> On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:45:06 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
| > >> fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > >> |
| > >> | "Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
| > >> | news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
| > >> | > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:23:00 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
| > >> | > fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > >> | > |
| > >> | > | "Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
| > >> | > | news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
| > >> | > | > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 02:42:15 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
| > >> | > | > fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > >> | > Okay then. You are a wonderful programmer. So wonderful that I
| just
| > >> | > purchase a CD of one of your wonderful programs. All of my friends
| > >> | > think your program is wonderful to, so I make them all copies. How
| > >> | > does this infringe on your rights?
| > >> |
| > >> | They infringed on my rights by using a program that I own the rights,
| > >> | without first getting my permission (or paying me if that's one of my
| > >> | requirements). You broke the law by making an illegal copy and
| > >distributing
| > >> | it. RS thinks it's OK to do that, but the laws are on my side.
| > >>
| > >> They used something that I provided them. You are out of the loop.
| > >> Neither you nor any of your belongings are involved. How are your
| > >> rights affected?
| > >
| > >If I bought a laptop from a pawnshop, and you later found out that it
| was
| > >the one that had been stolen from you, would you expect to get it back,
| or
| > >are you "out of the loop" because neither I nor the dealer had anything
| to
| > >do with the theft?
| > Bad example, there is only ONE laptop.
| >
| > This topic has been rehashed to death, suppose I borrow your laptop,
| > stick it in a cloning machine, and make another, which I keep. You get
| yours
| > back ... what then, have you been robbed, was there theft, have you been
| denied
| > use of your laptop due to my cloning ?
| >
|
| Thanks for returning my laptop. The one you cloned is an illegal copy, and
| violates not only the copyrights of the software licensors, but the patents
| of the manufacturer as well.
True enough. But what inate rights of the manufactures and software
licensor's did we violate in making a clone of your laptop?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RH linux stable??
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:29:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bastian) wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:51:27 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Isn't it amazing how much people complain about the Linux apps (most
of which
> are labeled "beta" or even "alpha") and that they crash sometimes? No
one
> does this with windoze software.
<snip>
Well I have just been screwed out of fifty bucks by TaxCut for Windows.
Print preview ain't what comes out of the printer, and nothing we've
tried has corrected the problem.
And I went to all the trouble to partition a slice of my drive for this
piece of sh*t software and went thru the living hell of loading Win98 to
try to run it. I thought Linux was hard to install until I tried to
load Win98 on a virgin disk. Seventeen reboots, and I still got a piece
of crap tax program that can't even add two integers correctly.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 07 Apr 2000 03:43:51 GMT
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:28:48 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|
| "Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
| news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
| > Okay, so if they are my files, on my hardware I can do with them as I
| > please?
|
| Yes, if they are legally yours to do with as you please, in the sense that a
| story you wrote on your word processor is your file. You could scan a Tom
| Clancy novel onto your HD, but it would be an illegal copy. If I had an
| illegal copy of something on my system, the last thing I'd do would be to go
| around bragging that it was my file
So tell me, which innate rights of Tom Clancy do I violate when I
illegal distribute copies of his new novel?
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