Linux-Advocacy Digest #106, Volume #29 Thu, 14 Sep 00 08:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why NT is shite (Glitch)
Re: Why Linux might NOT! be called a Communist conspiracy!! (Loren Petrich)
Re: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within. (Loren Petrich)
Re: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within. (Loren Petrich)
Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy? (Loren Petrich)
Re: Why NT is shite ("Nathan Crause")
Re: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within. ("Nathan Crause")
Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy? (Ian Davey)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sun cannot use Java for their servers!! ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: Why NT is shite ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451802 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Lee Sau Dan)
Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux (Thomas Hamm)
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 03:23:23 -0400
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why NT is shite
> The problem is that if you use popular development tools such as VB,
> or any third-party OCX controls, those depend on relatively recent
> versions of system libraries (DLLs). There is no way to make them
> work without installing them, and there is usually no decent
> versioning on these libraries and no way to make multiple versions
> coexist.
Off topic, but this is the first guy I've found so far, working my way
up the list of posts from the bottom, who was able to spell 'decent'
correctly. I thought we had smart people in here? You know, Linux
people and dare I say it, MS people, are in here-- IQs should be higher
I'd think considering the environment.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Subject: Re: Why Linux might NOT! be called a Communist conspiracy!!
Date: 14 Sep 2000 10:09:32 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Loren Petrich wrote:
>> Actually, I was trying to have some fun at the expense of Aaron
>> Kulkis and his Communist conspiracy theories, by proposing one that is at
>> least as well-supported as anything Mr. Kulkis has been able to think up.
>My theories have supporting evidence.
The absolute sum total of it is {}
>Your theories contradict the evidence.
Talk about complete lack of a sense of humor.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within.
Date: 14 Sep 2000 10:10:35 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[About me]
>No. He's a communist.
>The ONLY disagreements Loren has with mainline communists is what
>particular tactics to use to achieve worldwide takeover.
>As to the methods of actually running a communist world, enslavement
>of dissidents, etc...he has no disagreement.
One might think that if one had spent too much time in certain
groves of birch trees...
John Birch trees, to be precise.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within.
Date: 14 Sep 2000 10:11:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Loren Petrich wrote:
>> Why Linux might be called a Communist conspiracy:
>> * It is shared, rather than having some owner who demands payment for the
>> right to use it. This alone is a clear giveaway. Linux is intended to
>> promote a Communist model of software development, so as to make the
>> Western world more receptive to a Communist takeover.
>Hey, asshole! What part of "volountary" do you not understand?
But nobody would ever do such a thing because there is no money to
be made on it, right?
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Subject: Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?
Date: 14 Sep 2000 10:22:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mark Johnson wrote:
>> Why are linux UIs so crappy? It's just little trivial things you'd think would
>> be available. Like: (note: this is from my experience with KDE)
>> * how come an application doesn't remember the last directory I opened a file
>> from? I have to keep re-navigating to the directory.
>Because it works on a different model.
>ALL applications refer to "the current working directory" which is
>determined at the start of execution.
>If you want the app to start up from a certain directory, then GO to
>that directory, and start up the app.
That may be OK for command-line systems, but for operating in GUI
mode, I *much* prefer remembering where a file had last been opened. The
MacOS, IMO, does it right.
>How come the toilet seat is always down?
>Why can't it just stay where I leave it?
???
>> * how come I have to keep selecting what application I want to use with "Open
>> With"?
>Because Unix doesn't work on a "file typing" paradigm.
>Most files are subject to be opening by MULTIPLE programs. Therefore,
>assigning a certain filename suffix to one exclusive program is a
>HINDRANCE.
Sheesh. Sometimes one *wants* only one program to open some file.
>> * how come Window Managers are so slow?
>Because you have shit between your ears.
Contemptuous non-response. If Bill Gates could hear of this, he'd
snicker at a Linux "advocate" making his day.
It seems to me that there are some design flaws somewhere, such as:
Not taking advantage of video-card acceleration when available
or
Excessive message passing and context switching.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: "Nathan Crause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why NT is shite
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:24:11 +0200
So, being one letter off on a single word dictates whether you're stupid or
not? You're obiously a pompous ass.
"Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > The problem is that if you use popular development tools such as VB,
> > or any third-party OCX controls, those depend on relatively recent
> > versions of system libraries (DLLs). There is no way to make them
> > work without installing them, and there is usually no decent
> > versioning on these libraries and no way to make multiple versions
> > coexist.
>
>
> Off topic, but this is the first guy I've found so far, working my way
> up the list of posts from the bottom, who was able to spell 'decent'
> correctly. I thought we had smart people in here? You know, Linux
> people and dare I say it, MS people, are in here-- IQs should be higher
> I'd think considering the environment.
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From: "Nathan Crause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within.
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:29:01 +0200
Are you people all Communist obsessed??? Give something away for free, and
you're a Commie. Just remember that the next time some fast-food place
offers you free fries with their extra-greasy burger.
And people DO make money from Linux - it's little things called support and
documentation.
"Loren Petrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8pq88d$4cs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> >> Why Linux might be called a Communist conspiracy:
> >> * It is shared, rather than having some owner who demands payment for
the
> >> right to use it. This alone is a clear giveaway. Linux is intended to
> >> promote a Communist model of software development, so as to make the
> >> Western world more receptive to a Communist takeover.
> >Hey, asshole! What part of "volountary" do you not understand?
>
> But nobody would ever do such a thing because there is no money to
> be made on it, right?
>
> --
> Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
> My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey)
Subject: Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:35:13 GMT
In article <8pq8u2$fje$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
wrote:
>>> * how come I have to keep selecting what application I want to use with
> "Open
>>> With"?
>>Because Unix doesn't work on a "file typing" paradigm.
>
>>Most files are subject to be opening by MULTIPLE programs. Therefore,
>>assigning a certain filename suffix to one exclusive program is a
>>HINDRANCE.
>
> Sheesh. Sometimes one *wants* only one program to open some file.
You can set it up like that if you want, just set up the appropriate mime type
and associated application in the file manager. Then a single click will
launch it in the application.
ian.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:35:47 GMT
Marty writes:
> Dave "Fozzy" Tholen wrote:
Where did that come from, Marty?
>> Marty writes:
>>> Dave "Fozzy" Tholen wrote:
>> Where did that come from, Marty?
> Your lack of culture never ceases to astound.
I see that you didn't answer my question. No surprise there.
>>>> Marty writes:
>>>>>> Jim "our-very-own-twice-elected-KOTM" Stuyck writes:
>>>>> Why not pick a more unique name, like "Fozzy" or "Kermit"?
>>>> Stuyck wanted to be addressed by his title, Marty. I'm simply
>>>> following his lead, and he hasn't used either of those.
>>> I'd like to be addressed by you as "Fozzy".
>> Why?
> Because that is what I would like.
Why?
>>> Are you now going to follow my lead?
>> Perhaps.
> Aren't you sure?
I have no idea what your "lead" truly is, Marty, given that you are
so inconsistent.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:37:07 GMT
Marty writes:
>> I'll just stick to following your lead,
>> Stuyck (our-very-own-twice-elected-KOTM).
> Quick Jim, throw yourself off of a tall building!
Are you suggesting that he commit suicide, Marty?
> It's for the greater good!! ;-)
Is your middle name "Adolf" by any chance?
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun cannot use Java for their servers!!
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:00:45 GMT
on the brink of it...*nix systems need to take a much less "die-hard, all or
nothing" -approach
to the things "root" has right to do in the system...its simply a security
risc of gigantic proportions.
/IL
"Seán Ó Donnchadha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
>
> >>
> >>No, it isn't the "same difference" at all. Administrator and root are
very
> >>different things. Stuff like security and hardware abstraction actually
> >>apply to the Administrator account, whereas Unix security runs along the
> >>lines of "if UID=0, allow anything" - yet another reason NT is better.
> >
> >Could you explain how "security and hardware abstraction" do apply to
> >Administrator and do not apply to root ?
> >
>
> Isn't it true that root can stomp on the kernel (via things like
> /dev/kmem)? How about messing with hardware device registers on x86
> systems by issuing port I/O instructions? Don't most X servers rely on
> these capabilities of root? Honest questions. I've been out of the
> Unix world for a number of years now.
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why NT is shite
Date: 14 Sep 2000 11:13:57 GMT
Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> The problem is that if you use popular development tools such as VB,
:> or any third-party OCX controls, those depend on relatively recent
:> versions of system libraries (DLLs). There is no way to make them
:> work without installing them, and there is usually no decent
:> versioning on these libraries and no way to make multiple versions
:> coexist.
: Off topic, but this is the first guy I've found so far, working my way
: up the list of posts from the bottom, who was able to spell 'decent'
: correctly. I thought we had smart people in here? You know, Linux
: people and dare I say it, MS people, are in here-- IQs should be higher
: I'd think considering the environment.
I think two factors explain this: (a) for many regular contributors
here, English is not their native language; and (b) technical skills,
which most of the regular contributors here *do* have, correlate very
poorly with verbal skills.
The latter fact fascinates me, because it explains why one will
sometimes find:
* otherwise competent reporters who can't differentiate between an
OS kernel and a kernel of popcorn, even after you've explained it six
or seven times;
* otherwise competent doctors who mumble and whose handwriting even
a pharmacist can't read;
* otherwise competent lawyers whose writing is so poor that 18 year
old secretaries must clean up their pleadings before they can be
submitted to any court;
* technical documentation that either isn't technical, or isn't
readable
Joe
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,sci.astro
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451802
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:14:47 GMT
Here's today's Malloy digest. Interestingly, he still didn't respond to the
proof of his continuing lies. He hit the 200 postings-since-late-May level.
206> Tsk, tsk, Tholen tholes:
206>
206> Nope, he knows exactly whom he is addressing, Tholen -- some nitwit who
206> thinks that by using his tag line on him is going to work. It won't and it
206> doesn't. Nitwit. Typical. Figures. Illogical. Bowel. Obstruction.
206>
206> Of course Tholen knows that it is he!
206>
206> "Here, in the newsgroup I [Jim Stuyck] follow -- comp.os.os2.advocacy --
206> our-very-own-
206> twice-elected-KOTM (you know who your are!) has 75
206> postings-since-late-SUNDAY
206> level, which works out to roughly 1500 (one thousand, five hundred) postings
206> per month of *his* continuing lies ("I reply to your postings with lies and
206> misinformation")."
206>
206> I can only use the word which Jim used in describing you, Tholen: hypocrite.
207> Why not pick a more unique name, like "Fozzy" or "Kermit"?
208> Tholen tholes ad infinitum:
208>
208> Uh, Tholen, he just told you he's not.
208>
208> Malloy, here, urging everyone but everyone to put this thread in their
208> killfiles. The only reason I continue, Tholen, is to catch up with you.
208> Man, I've got an *awful* lot of messages to go! You've obviously got
208> diarrhea of the mouth/fingers, man!
209> Hey, Tholen, since you're following leads, my preference for being addressed
209> by you is "Herr Professor Doktor". I expect you to use that in all your
209> future postings to or about me.
209>
209> [Snort!]
210> Aw, gee, heck, Doctor "Bubba", you can call me Herr Prof Doktor Joe...
210>
210> -Herr Professor Doktor Joe
211> Tholen tholens ever more claptrap:
211>
211> ....sez Tholen, who should know, having posted more valueless articles than
211> anyone else I can find on Dejavu...
211>
211> Reading comprehension problems, Tholen? He claim that *you* should killfile
211> him, but not that his postings were equivalent to yours (valueless).
211>
211> Boy, you can't read worth a darn!
211>
211> Ain't that the truth!
==========
Malloy likes to hear himself. The evidence:
"I take it Tholen has attempted to digest me, but since no message
to that effect appears on my newserver today, I present an oldie:"
--Joe Malloy
Maybe it's because he has trouble seeing. The evidence:
"Where does he say anything about clergy, Tholen?"
--Joe Malloy
"It follows from your pontificating actions and the discussion
of the clergy..."
--Eric Bennett
And the question of Slava's that he continues to ignore:
Message-ID: <N8On5.61$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:11:34 +1000
"Why do you post exactly the same thing in each one of your
'digests', and then hypocritically accuse Tholen of not saying
'anything of value'?"
--Slava Pestov
"[who is this "Slava," Tholen, one of your sock puppets?]"
--Joe Malloy
And proof that Malloy still lies:
"Notice how he *doesn't* post from his work account"
--Joe Malloy, 2000 August 31
] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Tholen)
] Date: 26 Aug 2000 05:37:32 GMT
] Message-ID: <8o7l2s$sr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"he had a little chat with TPTB, you see."
--Joe Malloy, 2000 August 31
There is no "TPTB" here, Malloy, nor was there any "chat"
with any similar group of people.
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From: Lee Sau Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: 14 Sep 2000 19:19:15 +0800
>>>>> "jabali" == jabali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
jabali> Apple's problem was its closed shop attitude. They won't
jabali> license anybody to produce a clone. No corporate buyer
jabali> would consider a single source product.
Why then would they consider MS Windows, which is a single source
product?
jabali> When IBM tried to produce a non-clonable
jabali> prodcut - PS2 - they lost out and virtually had to get out
jabali> of the PC market.
This theory does not apply to another non-clonable product -- MS
Windows. Why?
P.S. Windows is not clonable -- its "features" (literally, "bugs") and
undocumented features are impossible to clone.
jabali> QL (remember it - Sir Clive's baby), Atari, Amiga - all
jabali> lost out because they could not make up their mind where
jabali> to pitch their products - in the gaming market or in the
jabali> office market. They also did not allow cloning - though
jabali> there were not much enthusiasm for that from clone makers
jabali> - which also played against them. No major corporation
jabali> would take such a product seriously. Home market does not
jabali> make a computer viable, it is the corporate market.
So, why would any corporate buy MS Windows -- a non-clonable product?
--
Lee Sau Dan §õ¦u´°(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Hamm)
Subject: Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:56:32 +0000
Hi Rev.!
14 Sep 00 00:43, you wrote to All:
RK> Not really. UNIX is a trademark of The Open Group. Only operating
RK> systems that are certified by The Open Group can properly be called
RK> UNIX systems. LINUX can't pass certification so it is wrong to
RK> refer to it as "Real Unix", "Old Unix" or "Modern Unix". It is no
RK> UNIX system at all.
what about the 'System V compliant' description? heard this somewhere
before. :)
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