Linux-Advocacy Digest #106, Volume #30 Tue, 7 Nov 00 16:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Why I hate Windows... (Marc Richter)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why I hate Windows... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Ms employees begging for food (Douglas Siebert)
News from the front ("WMH")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Toon Afish")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: I think I'm in love..... (Michael Marion)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc Richter)
Subject: Re: Why I hate Windows...
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:55:12 -0500
On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:41:37 -0500, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Someone spat:
>
>Staroffice handles the
>Word and Excel files that end up being mailed to me. I have yet to run
>into a situation that this setup couldn't handle.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>OK. But you're not getting much in these files, are you?
>For if you were, (getting anything with either MS specific formatting) or
>anything with VBA code in them, they wouldn't run in S.O. I know, anything
>VB is not real, acceptable, or credible.
>Yet cola-ites will be the first to tell you how dangerous it is in an email
>attachment. Funny, it's weak and useless, yet dangerous at the same time.
>Interesting concept.
>
>
I spat? Hmmm, if I remember, it was a reasonable explanation of *my*
situation.
Well, Merck (which is a multi-billion dollar drug company) seems to do
just fine without lacing all of their documents with VBA code. Murphy
being who he is, I'll no doubt get something with it 2 minutes after
posting this message...actually, I'd be curious to see how SO would
deal.
What I do see in this industry is the occasional serious problem caused
by proprietary documents. Someone will mail a user a document in a strange
format and one has to go through all sorts of gyrations to open it. It's
a waste of time (and ultimately money). It seems that the business world
has settled on *.doc as a standard format. That's fine for people using
a Windows machine or a Mac, as long as they have Office. But for the
folk who don't run Windows or MacOS with Office 97/98/2000, *.doc
is a pain in the butt. Machines in labs, mainframes, Vaxen, Sun
workstations, old Mac and PC machines that can't run software past 1992...
these all are very real machines that are used in very real companies
EVERY DAY. It's a mix I deal with EVERY DAY. Keeping things simple
and standard pays off. Text files. Standard graphics formats like TIFF
and JPG. TCP/IP. All standard stuff that lets everyone talk together.
So forgive me if I don't care about using VBA. It's dependant on a single
platform and relying on it may cause more headaches down the road.
--
Marc A. Richter I&R Deployed Support
56. My Legions of Terror will be trained in basic marksmanship. Any who
cannot learn to hit a man-sized target at 10 meters will be used for
target practice.
from "Things I'll Do When I Become an Evil Overlord"
The contents of this message express only the sender's opinion.
This message does not necessarily reflect the policy or views of
my employer, Merck & Co., Inc. All responsibility for the statements
made in this Usenet posting resides solely and completely with the
sender.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:10:25 +0200
"Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8u9mtb$q46$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Simon Cooke wrote:
> > >
> > > "Glenn McGregor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:laIN5.639$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Actually ctrl-Z is the SUB character, not EOF.
> > > >
> > > > I believe it was to be used for an indication of an alternate
> > > > character set, ie; substitute.
> > > >
> > > > The closest current EOF character in ASCII is FS, the file separator
> > > > character.
> > >
> > > Oops :) I thought that ^Z was EOT or ETX. Need to get that memory
> checked.
> > >
> > > Either way, the PDP machines all used ^Z as their end-of-file marker.
> CPM
> > > and VMS also used it. If Gates wrote his first Basic on a PDP machine,
> ^Z
> >
> > But he didn't. He PIRATED his first Basic from a PDP machine.
>
> Really? Like many of your claims, some proof would go a long way towards
> people actually believing them.
>
> The use of CTRL-Z as an end of file marker, when that was prevalent at the
> time, is not proof.
You don't understand Aaron's claims, do you?
It's not just the CTRL-Z, it's that it can interrupt Basic, that it's a
programming language, that it was there before.
All those are clear indicatiors that Gates stole it from PDP.
How could you miss that?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:07:36 -0500
Toon Afish wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Toon Afish wrote:
> > >
> > > Does this apply to a sys admin who didn't even know that remote admin of
> > > Windows machines was even possible?
> >
> > Only in cripple-mode for the most trivial of tasks.
>
> Not true, although you do need third party utilities for some functions.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Time for you to study up.
Unix has NEVER needed 3rd-party anything for remote administration.
Once again, LoseDOS is more than 17 years BEHIND unix.
>
> >
> > Conversely, Unix has had this ability for over 15 years.
>
> Never contested that. Unix is a wonderful OS, and it's history of
> development over the years will likely never be matched my MS. Ya can't beat
> a time-tested solution. But that has nothing to do with Windows.
Thank GOD!
>
> >
> > Tell us again how you think Microsoft is cutting edge, when they are
> > just now getting into facilities that have been industry standard for
> > over a decade.....
>
> Hmmm. Where did I draw any comparisons between Windows and anything else, or
> make that claim? Windows isn't Unix, and Unix isn't Windows; we all know
THANK GOD!
> that. I made no claims other than that Windows remote admin is possible. But
> you saw it, didn't you?
>
> And, if you want another example of MS's "innovating" features into Windows,
> look at their recent ability to drive more than one monitor. This feature,
> introduced into Windows 98, was already available on the Mac in 1986. They
> were only 13 years late on that one. And the recent introduction of Windows
> Me, with its innovative digital video feature comes less than 13 months
> after Apple introduced the iMac DV! For MS, this is amazing progress.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > By your own words, does this make you stupid?
> > >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:08:33 -0500
Toon Afish wrote:
>
> Shhh! Be quiet! He doesn't know about the built-in Terminal Services on
> Win2K...
You mean, windows is JUST NOW getting services which have been STANDARD
for nearly 50 years?
Wow. I'm impressed....NOT.
>
> He probably didn't even know about Dameware's fine packages.
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8u9kh2$cub$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Toon Afish wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I guess you don't really know the Windows system well at all, do you?
> > You
> > > > seem to believe that remote admin of NT and/or 2000 boxes isn't
> > possible?
> > >
> > > 1. You can only perform a limited set of administration tasks remotely
> on
> > > Microshaft Neutered Technology and Microshaft 2000 boxes.
> >
> > In what way is it limited? Let's hear you say it.
> >
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:09:18 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Toon Afish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:SUYN5.6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Shhh! Be quiet! He doesn't know about the built-in Terminal Services on
> > Win2K...
>
> He doesn't seem to know a lot of things, isn't it?
You mean, that Windows is playing catchup on components that have been
standard throughout the industry anywhere from 10 to 50 years...?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:16:29 GMT
That's because you don't usually need them.
The help wizards are actually pretty good and the context sensative
help system is good.
Example setting up Internet connection sharing. It asks you "Would you
like to share this connection?" Bingo that's it.
Under Linux?
Good luck you'll need it.
I've been trying for a week to get an IBM PCMCIA Token Ring card
working in a ThinkPad laptop and still no success.
Under Windows?
It installed perfectly and all I had to do was check the DHCP box and
away it went.
Linux? Still haven't found the solution, although I have been reading
How-tos and mini-how-tos and web pages and so forth. Still no good.
claire
On 07 Nov 2000 19:10:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (O'Neill) wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:18:54 -0400, Gary Hallock
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> Classic example of the Linvocate not responding to what was written
>>> but inserting what proves HIS point.
>>>
>>> They must have some kind of a secret manual that teaches them how to
>>> do these things.
>>>
>>> claire
>>>
>>
>>Classic example of a Windows zealot. Ignore the docs and then claim Linux docs
>>are bad. If you want to do ip masquerqing then look for the doc for ip
>>masquerading, not ipchains.
>>
>>http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO.html
>>
>>Gary
>>
>
>have we lost sight of the fact that most windoze distributions come
>with NO documents?
>
>
>
>>
>>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why I hate Windows...
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:21:09 -0500
MH wrote:
>
> Someone spat:
>
> Staroffice handles the
> Word and Excel files that end up being mailed to me. I have yet to run
> into a situation that this setup couldn't handle.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> OK. But you're not getting much in these files, are you?
> For if you were, (getting anything with either MS specific formatting) or
> anything with VBA code in them, they wouldn't run in S.O. I know, anything
> VB is not real, acceptable, or credible.
> Yet cola-ites will be the first to tell you how dangerous it is in an email
> attachment. Funny, it's weak and useless, yet dangerous at the same time.
> Interesting concept.
It's too weak for serious applications programing, yet has enough
functionality to wipe out a hard drive.
Is any of this getting through to you?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Siebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.os.netware.misc
Subject: Re: Ms employees begging for food
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:27:01 +0000 (UTC)
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>No, true to my contrary nature, I can't agree with you there, either.
>For one thing, I can't agree because I have no regard and no concern for
>what is "simpler for the administrator". I would also say that,
That's a pretty poor attitude. If you can design a network "correctly",
for some definition of correct, but make it more difficult to administrate,
to the point where a company needs to have more networking staff at a higher
level of technical expertise, nearly everyone would agree that it would be
easier to "throw bandwidth at the problem" and vastly overprovision it,
leading to a simple network that costs more initially, but has a longer
lifetime between required changes and a much lower cost of administration.
You may find this a technically inelegant solution, but the large sales
volume of gigabit ethernet switches shows that your opinion is not shared
by most.
--
Doug Siebert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
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From: "WMH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: News from the front
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:31:12 -0500
Installed without a hitch.
Migrated all settings from all apps.
Very fast and stable for a beta.
The end is near.
--
Registered MS Beta Tester
Running Whister Beta 1 Build 2296
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From: "Toon Afish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:41:22 -0500
Don't expect logic from him. He's criticizing something he obviously doesn't
understand, and will never will.
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:zFWN5.124510$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Toon Afish wrote:
> > >
> > > Does this apply to a sys admin who didn't even know that remote admin
of
> > > Windows machines was even possible?
> >
> > Only in cripple-mode for the most trivial of tasks.
>
> Windows 2000 Server has built-in Windows Terminal Services for complete
> remote admin capabilities.
>
> But then you've been asleep for the last 12 years (when you thought buffer
> overflows were removed from Unix).
>
>
>
>
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:29:12 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Toon Afish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:SUYN5.6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Shhh! Be quiet! He doesn't know about the built-in Terminal Services
on
> > > Win2K...
> >
> > He doesn't seem to know a lot of things, isn't it?
>
> You mean, that Windows is playing catchup on components that have been
> standard throughout the industry anywhere from 10 to 50 years...?
Like featurs that are five years old (or more) in windows which you
displayed absolute ignorance about.
(Default & Alternative file types)
You gave a detailed description on how this should behave, and they accused
windows in not letting you do this.
The fact is that you could do it with win95 quite easily, and I wouldn't be
surprised if you could do the same with win3X
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:40:00 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Toon Afish wrote:
> >
> > Shhh! Be quiet! He doesn't know about the built-in Terminal Services on
> > Win2K...
>
> You mean, windows is JUST NOW getting services which have been STANDARD
> for nearly 50 years?
>
> Wow. I'm impressed....NOT.
I'm impressed. Very much impressed.
You want to tell me that ORACLE (one of the best computers in the 50s, but
you knew that, didn't you?) could be remotedly administer?
Wow, I just wonder how you could do it.
Can you give us some detials about it? I would really like to know how you
administered it? I mean, didn't you need a computer of your own to do so?
How did computers talked to each other in that era? I think that modem came
much later, and network cards are quite recent too.
What could you do remotedly on those computers?
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I think I'm in love.....
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:53:54 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> You say dual booting is for losers, perhaps because you can't make it
> work?
Man, he must be pretty slow if he can't get dual booting to work... it's so
easy. Heck, I'm quad booting my test/play box at home between 98, 2k,
Mandrake 7.2 and BeOS5. :)
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
Microsoft's new Motto:
"Microsoft -- We're the company you can trust, because, although we used
to lie all the time, now we've stopped." -- Stolen from a COLA post.
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