Linux-Advocacy Digest #107, Volume #29 Thu, 14 Sep 00 10:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: How low can they go...? (Jonathan Revusky)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800 ("Joe Malloy")
Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451802.sj209^-.000000000000001 ("Joe Malloy")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT ("Lance Togar")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT ("Joe R.")
Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy? ("MH")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (Sandman)
Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux (Peter Koch)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (sfcybear)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800 (Marty)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT ("Nathan Crause")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT ("Nathan Crause")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT ("Nathan Crause")
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (Donovan Rebbechi)
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:47:13 -0300
Mark Johnson escribió:
>
> Why are linux UIs so crappy? It's just little trivial things you'd think would
> be available. Like: (note: this is from my experience with KDE)
>
> * how come an application doesn't remember the last directory I opened a file
> from? I have to keep re-navigating to the directory.
That's a bug in many apps in KDE 1.x, in that they misuse the file
dialog
object. It's mostly fixed in KDE2.
> * how come I have to keep selecting what application I want to use with "Open
> With"?
You could configure it so you don't have to.
On KDE2, you can just tell it to remember.
> * how come I can't configure that I want to double click to open or start an
> application or file? Sometimes I'll accidently "click" on an icon and it opens
> up on me. This is a real pain.
Such is life. There is no ergonomic reason for double click. However, on
KDE2, it has been madde configurable.
> * how come there are no descent web browsers for linux. Netscape and Mozilla
> keep crashing on me. Mozilla would be pretty cool if it'd stay up and was a
> lot quicker? Netscape is just pure 'D crap.
I'm having luck with konqueror lately.
> * how come copy and paste keystrokes aren't consistent accross apps?
Across KDE apps? The apps that don't use what you configure in
KDE's control center are wrong. Please report it as a bug.
> * how come font size isn't consistent among apps? One app will have teeny-
> weeny font while another will have big-chief tablet font.
Among what apps?
> * how come Window Managers are so slow?
Mine is fast here. I can't really tell much from this data :-)
> Don't get me wrong - I understand it's hard and envovled to write these
> programs in general, but these seem like just little things that the developers
> themselves would put in just for their own sanity. It's been almost 10 years
> and the Linux UI while definitely better, just doesn't feel very mature. Even
> BeOS has a nice, refined, intuitive interface and I don't think it's been
> around a long as linux?
It has been around about as long as real linux GUI development.
> I always have this subconscious feeling that Linux developers couldn't care
> less about the actual user. I just hear in the back of my mind a phantom Linux
> developer saying "Why would you ever want to do that!" Perhaps I'm paranoid.
Yes you are.
> I feel so unproductive - I spend so much time re-clicking and re-typing and re-
> tinkering. I just want to get something done but the apps actually get in the
> way.
Then use windows. Noone is forcing you to use linux, KDE, GNOME, or
anything.
use what you like best.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:50:20 -0300
Ian Davey escribió:
>
> In article <8pq8u2$fje$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren
>Petrich) wrote:
> >>> * how come I have to keep selecting what application I want to use with
> > "Open
> >>> With"?
> >>Because Unix doesn't work on a "file typing" paradigm.
> >
> >>Most files are subject to be opening by MULTIPLE programs. Therefore,
> >>assigning a certain filename suffix to one exclusive program is a
> >>HINDRANCE.
> >
> > Sheesh. Sometimes one *wants* only one program to open some file.
>
> You can set it up like that if you want, just set up the appropriate mime type
> and associated application in the file manager. Then a single click will
> launch it in the application.
And if you want it opened with any other app that knows of that
MIME type and is not the default, they are in the RMB menu.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
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From: Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:10:31 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Seán Ó Donnchadha in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> >Good day to you too, Jonathan!
>
> So, Jerry, why is it you post using 'Seán Ó Donnchadha', instead of as
> Jerry Shekhel, which Jonathan Revusky says is your real name?
Hi Max.
I thought Jerry Shekhel should have the opportunity to answer you. Not
surprisingly, your question was met by the deafening roar of silence.
Now, my response to Shekhel contains a lot of... inside humor... and I
thought you and the other linux advocacy participants deserve to know
what it was about. Besides, linux advocates and java advocates are
natural allies, if only on the pragmatic principle that your enemy's
enemy is your friend. Greetings, friends!
First of all, I should say that if you are accessing this thread via
.linux.advocacy and don't normally read .java.advoacy, then you don't
know what you're missing! Over the past year and a bit, we on clja have
been having oodles of fun with some of these anonymous FUDster assholes.
More fun than -- dare I use the expression -- a barrel of monkeys! :-)
The fun with this particular Jerry Shekhel character began when yours
truly realized the stylistic similarities between the writing of Seán Ó
Donnchadha and one Jerry Coffey, who had been around some months before,
spreading very similar kinds of anti-Java FUD. I posted some devastating
evidence that the two were in fact 2 fake identities used by the same
anonymous FUDster. Somebody else, Grant Fischer, did some other archive
searches that showed that the real name of said FUDster was Jerry
Shekhel.
When things got uncovered, Shekhel tried to lie his way out of the
situation in the most comical ways. He went on record as claiming that
Seán Ó Donnnchadha was his real name, that Jerry Coffey was a personal
friend of his with whom he lost contact, because "Jerry Coffey went out
west". He claimed that he had never hear the name "Jerry Shekhel"
before, though as it later turned out, Jerry Shekhel turned out to be
the man's real name!
Shekhel did not exactly "go quietly". Things came to a denouement
finally, earlier this year, when in an attempt to counterattack, Jerry
Shekhel initiated a thread entitled "Explain your continued lies,
Revusky". The whole thing is really amusing. It all ended up with Jerry
Shekhel having to fess up, since he saw the clear danger that this was
going to impact his "real" life.
The beginning of that thread is conveniently linked for you here below.
I think you'll find it all very amusing. Though this is only a small
taste of the kind of surreal shit that has been happening around here.
http://x57.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=584185595&search=thread&CONTEXT=968879741.242876432&HIT_CONTEXT=968879642.242417671&HIT_NUM=4&hitnum=0
Cheers,
Jonathan Revusky
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:58:34 -0300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
>
> Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:06:50 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > >Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
> > >> I knew what is in the page. You didn't. If you want to know what's
> > >> in the page, you go there and read it. I am not here to do things
> > >> for you. If you want the data, be a man and work for it.
> > >
> > >Becareful, Roberto, that comment is a sword that can cut both ways.
> >
> > Dunno about Roberto, but I see it more as a two-sided coin, and a
> perfectly
> > fair one. A willingness to do ones homework is a prerequisite to entering
> > a sensible discussion, and no reasonable person would object to being held
> > to this standard.
>
> Roberto, also seems to not have done his homework at various times in this
> discussion. That is how the sword that is his a comment could cut either
> way.
Whenever I am giving a statement of fact, I try to. If you are talking
about, for example, my failing to mention kde.com's search form, I must
say I did no research whatsoever, and just replied from memory.
I also feel that since I was not the one saying kde.com and kde.org
are entangled, it was not my job to do it. After all, there is no
way to prove we are NOT entangled, is there?
BTW: I'm still weaiting for the message IDs of that alleged quote
of me. Do you have them or not?
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
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From: "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:58:23 GMT
> >> I'll just stick to following your lead,
> >> Stuyck (our-very-own-twice-elected-KOTM).
>
> > Quick Jim, throw yourself off of a tall building!
>
> Are you suggesting that he commit suicide, Marty?
The humorless drone Tholen pretends, of course, not to understand. Hey,
waitaminit, maybe he's *that dense*!
> > It's for the greater good!! ;-)
>
> Is your middle name "Adolf" by any chance?
See what I mean by "humorless drone Tholen"? The best he can think of is a
reference to Hitler who, as far as I know, did a bit more than just
*suggest* suicide. Poor form, Tholen, but all we can expect from an
anhedonic like you. Typical. Sad. Tholen.
--
"USB, idiot, stands for Universal Serial Bus. There is no power on the
output socket of any USB port I have ever seen" - Bob Germer
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From: "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,sci.astro
Subject: Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451802.sj209^-.000000000000001
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:58:34 GMT
Here's today's Tholen digest. Interestingly, he still didn't respond to the
proof of his continuing lies. He hit the 200 postings-since-late-yesterday
level. To the digest improper:
[Wake me, will ya, when Tholen say anything of factual importance!
Otherwise, 0 is sum total of his real contribution or maybe even some
negative number.]
Bye!
--
"USB, idiot, stands for Universal Serial Bus. There is no power on the
output socket of any USB port I have ever seen" - Bob Germer
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From: "Lance Togar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:07:50 -0400
"Nathan Crause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:39c08904$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'm a developer for real-time stock-exchange software, and I prefer it,
too.
> Think again, CHUMP.
..
Speaking of CHUMPS: why aren't you using FreeBSD on industry standard
hardware? And, just how "real" is your "real-time" software? Ding, Ding:
Apple doesn't piece together nor does it have any plans for a real-time OS.
..
..
> "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8ppcs6$9cb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > WOWIE One software developer likes it. Gee, I think I dump every thing I
> > own and switch. Get real!
> >
> >
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,38736,00.html
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Graeme Devine, a designer at Id Software, which makes Doom and Quake,
> > > said that overall, Mac OS X is a stronger operating system than Linux
> > or
> > > Windows NT.
> > >
> > > "The tools for development are extremely good, extremely finished,"
> > > Devine said. "Linux and NT also have great tools and there are other
> > > advantages, but the combination of a great server and the development
> > > tools make Mac OS X better than the other platforms."
> > > =====
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
> > > Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
> > >
> > > Lighthouse, n. A tall building on the seashore in which the
> > government
> > > maintains a lamp and the friend of a politician.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
>
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From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:10:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,38736,00.html
>
> =====
> Graeme Devine, a designer at Id Software, which makes Doom and Quake,
> said that overall, Mac OS X is a stronger operating system than Linux or
> Windows NT.
>
> "The tools for development are extremely good, extremely finished,"
> Devine said. "Linux and NT also have great tools and there are other
> advantages, but the combination of a great server and the development
> tools make Mac OS X better than the other platforms."
> =====
But the opinion of game developers obviously doesn't count any more.
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:11:34 -0400
> > * how come I have to keep selecting what application I want to use
> > with "Open With"?
>
> Someone else responded with the fix to this, but as an aside, I just
> want to say that this is a feature I WISH was in Windows. For instance,
> if you want to edit an HTML page versus viewing it, the Open With...
> option is a good one. Perhaps if it had a submenu instead of a listbox
> popping up...
What is the problem here? There are several ways to do it. Put shortcuts to
executables in your Send To folder. Then when you right-click a file in
explorer, you can open it with whatever is on your send to menu.
Or, you can hold down the SHIFT key, then right click, and you'll always get
the 'Open With' dialog.
Or, you can go into my computer, click on file types, then options, and
configure as many ways-applications to open-view-edit any document type you
wish.
See, you folks should KNOW about something before you criticize it so much.
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From: Sandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:17:13 +0200
In article <A24w5.4795$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lance Togar"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm a developer for real-time stock-exchange software, and I prefer it,
> > too. Think again, CHUMP.
> ..
> Speaking of CHUMPS: why aren't you using FreeBSD on industry standard
> hardware? And, just how "real" is your "real-time" software? Ding, Ding:
> Apple doesn't piece together nor does it have any plans for a real-time OS.
You've just won the "I'm a troll" bumper sticker for the month!
Congrats! :)
--
Sandman[.net]
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From: Peter Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:16:43 GMT
Hi!
> A lot of times I come across postings where some people use the term
> "Real Unix" and they argue that it is superior to Linux without giving
> any technical reasons to support that argument. I observed that often
> these people refer to the features of applications, device drivers
etc.
> and not necessarily about the context switching, process management,
> etc. by the OS kernel. Their viewpoint then obviously doesn't make
much
> sense to me.
You're right. This point of view really doesn't make much sense.
Their most prominent speaker on c.u.a. is Rev. Don Kool.
I've fought several fights with him. His last bastion is the brand
name "Unix (TM)" and every Linux user who posts into c.u.a. can be
sure to be flamed by Don pointing out that "Linux is not Unix".
Funny enough most of these Linux questions can easily be answered
by a knowledgeable Unix admin that never has used Linux.
How much Linux and Unix are simillar at kernel level can be seen
in Sun's "lxrun": It can run Linux binaries on Solaris x86. If you
read the docs you'll be astonished how many (how few!!!) syscalls
differ and how easy most of these differences can be handled!
> On the other hand, I have also seen some people (including notable
> authors of Unix sysadmin books) referring to Linux as "Modern Unix"
when
> referring to the kernel architecture. I tend to believe that for
obvious
> reasons but I'm not an expert on this topic and I am open to change my
> opinion! But for now, I think I will call the so called "Real Unix" as
> "Old Unix" and Linux as "Modern Unix". Is that fair?
No. I think that the most sophisticated Unix today is Sun Solaris.
It is a SVR4, thus a "Real Unix" and it is a "Modern Unix" too.
On the other hand SCO Unix is a SVR3.2 and thus a "Real Unix" but
i wouldn't consider it "modern". It has less features in its kernel
than 4.3BSD, which is by no means a "Real Unix" or a "Modern Unix",
but still a "Unix" (sorry Don!!!).
Tschuess
Peter
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:34:18 GMT
Wow, the numbers are up to two! Still, it is hardly headline news that
*a* developer likes mac software. It proves NOTHING. I'm not saying that
Mac OS is bad, I am saying that one, now 2, developers opinion are
hardly proof of ANYTHING.
In article <39c08904$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Nathan Crause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm a developer for real-time stock-exchange software, and I prefer
it, too.
> Think again, CHUMP.
Chump???? Snicker. C'ya
>
> "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8ppcs6$9cb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > WOWIE One software developer likes it. Gee, I think I dump every
thing I
> > own and switch. Get real!
> >
> >
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,38736,00.html
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Graeme Devine, a designer at Id Software, which makes Doom and
Quake,
> > > said that overall, Mac OS X is a stronger operating system than
Linux
> > or
> > > Windows NT.
> > >
> > > "The tools for development are extremely good, extremely
finished,"
> > > Devine said. "Linux and NT also have great tools and there are
other
> > > advantages, but the combination of a great server and the
development
> > > tools make Mac OS X better than the other platforms."
> > > =====
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
> > > Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
> > >
> > > Lighthouse, n. A tall building on the seashore in which the
> > government
> > > maintains a lamp and the friend of a politician.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:43:43 GMT
Dave "Fozzy" Tholen wrote:
>
> Marty writes:
>
> > Dave "Fozzy" Tholen wrote:
>
> Where did that come from, Marty?
The previous attribution in this thread. I was just being consistent.
> >> Marty writes:
>
> >>> Dave "Fozzy" Tholen wrote:
>
> >> Where did that come from, Marty?
>
> > Your lack of culture never ceases to astound.
>
> I see that you didn't answer my question.
Incorrect.
> No surprise there.
No surprise that you would ignore the answer I presented.
> >>>> Marty writes:
>
> >>>>>> Jim "our-very-own-twice-elected-KOTM" Stuyck writes:
>
> >>>>> Why not pick a more unique name, like "Fozzy" or "Kermit"?
>
> >>>> Stuyck wanted to be addressed by his title, Marty. I'm simply
> >>>> following his lead, and he hasn't used either of those.
>
> >>> I'd like to be addressed by you as "Fozzy".
>
> >> Why?
>
> > Because that is what I would like.
>
> Why?
Because I would like that.
> >>> Are you now going to follow my lead?
>
> >> Perhaps.
>
> > Aren't you sure?
>
> I have no idea what your "lead" truly is,
Not surprising.
> Marty, given that you are so inconsistent.
Incorrect, given that I've used the attribution consistently in this thread.
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From: "Nathan Crause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:46:02 +0200
Not real-time OS - REAL TIME STOCK QUOTES!!!!
DING-DING - know the difference!!!!
"Lance Togar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:A24w5.4795$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Nathan Crause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:39c08904$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I'm a developer for real-time stock-exchange software, and I prefer it,
> too.
> > Think again, CHUMP.
> ..
> Speaking of CHUMPS: why aren't you using FreeBSD on industry standard
> hardware? And, just how "real" is your "real-time" software? Ding, Ding:
> Apple doesn't piece together nor does it have any plans for a real-time
OS.
> ..
> ..
> > "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8ppcs6$9cb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > WOWIE One software developer likes it. Gee, I think I dump every thing
I
> > > own and switch. Get real!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,38736,00.html
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > > Graeme Devine, a designer at Id Software, which makes Doom and
Quake,
> > > > said that overall, Mac OS X is a stronger operating system than
Linux
> > > or
> > > > Windows NT.
> > > >
> > > > "The tools for development are extremely good, extremely finished,"
> > > > Devine said. "Linux and NT also have great tools and there are other
> > > > advantages, but the combination of a great server and the
development
> > > > tools make Mac OS X better than the other platforms."
> > > > =====
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
> > > > Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
> > > >
> > > > Lighthouse, n. A tall building on the seashore in which the
> > > government
> > > > maintains a lamp and the friend of a politician.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "Nathan Crause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:47:32 +0200
Why? Are game developers not real programmers?
"Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,38736,00.html
> >
> > =====
> > Graeme Devine, a designer at Id Software, which makes Doom and Quake,
> > said that overall, Mac OS X is a stronger operating system than Linux or
> > Windows NT.
> >
> > "The tools for development are extremely good, extremely finished,"
> > Devine said. "Linux and NT also have great tools and there are other
> > advantages, but the combination of a great server and the development
> > tools make Mac OS X better than the other platforms."
> > =====
>
> But the opinion of game developers obviously doesn't count any more.
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From: "Nathan Crause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:47:09 +0200
True - but it DOES disprove that "only one" prefers it. If two like it, then
the chances are that there may very well be 3, and so on.
"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8pqk4p$l71$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Wow, the numbers are up to two! Still, it is hardly headline news that
> *a* developer likes mac software. It proves NOTHING. I'm not saying that
> Mac OS is bad, I am saying that one, now 2, developers opinion are
> hardly proof of ANYTHING.
>
>
>
> In article <39c08904$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Nathan Crause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm a developer for real-time stock-exchange software, and I prefer
> it, too.
> > Think again, CHUMP.
>
> Chump???? Snicker. C'ya
>
>
>
>
> >
> > "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8ppcs6$9cb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > WOWIE One software developer likes it. Gee, I think I dump every
> thing I
> > > own and switch. Get real!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,38736,00.html
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > > Graeme Devine, a designer at Id Software, which makes Doom and
> Quake,
> > > > said that overall, Mac OS X is a stronger operating system than
> Linux
> > > or
> > > > Windows NT.
> > > >
> > > > "The tools for development are extremely good, extremely
> finished,"
> > > > Devine said. "Linux and NT also have great tools and there are
> other
> > > > advantages, but the combination of a great server and the
> development
> > > > tools make Mac OS X better than the other platforms."
> > > > =====
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
> > > > Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
> > > >
> > > > Lighthouse, n. A tall building on the seashore in which the
> > > government
> > > > maintains a lamp and the friend of a politician.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.
> >
> >
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: 14 Sep 2000 14:00:22 GMT
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:37:11 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:06:50 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> >Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >
>> >> I knew what is in the page. You didn't. If you want to know what's
>> >> in the page, you go there and read it. I am not here to do things
>> >> for you. If you want the data, be a man and work for it.
>> >
>> >Becareful, Roberto, that comment is a sword that can cut both ways.
>>
>> Dunno about Roberto, but I see it more as a two-sided coin, and a
>perfectly
>> fair one. A willingness to do ones homework is a prerequisite to entering
>> a sensible discussion, and no reasonable person would object to being held
>> to this standard.
>
>Roberto, also seems to not have done his homework at various times in this
>discussion. That is how the sword that is his a comment could cut either
>way.
I haven't seen a place where Roberto is unwilling to do his homework.
He certainly doesn't have the arrogance to ask others to do their homework
for him, and then criticise them for not doing it well enough.[1]
[1] Max is the main offender here.
--
Donovan
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