Linux-Advocacy Digest #139, Volume #29 Sat, 16 Sep 00 08:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Unix more secure, huh? ("Jeepster")
Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (C Lund)
Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: GPL & freedom (was: How low can they go...?) (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: Computer and memory ("Andy Brown")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (dc)
Re: Criteria in Evaluating Distributions: ("Mark Langsdorf")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (Jason McNorton)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (Bob Germer)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (Bob Germer)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Rinaldi J. Montessi")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (Tim Mayer)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Jeepster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix more secure, huh?
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:01:12 +0100
www.msnbc.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000
LOL
pot calling the kettle black methinks.....
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:VJDw5.1862$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> http://www.msnbc.com/msn/460824.asp
>
> Yeah, yeah, troll, not a troll... who cares.
>
> Discuss...
>
> At least someone found a good use for Linux!
>
>
> -Chad
>
>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:45:21 -0400
Nigel Feltham wrote:
>
> >Personally, the whole idea of associations breaks down badly with
> >files that aren't tied to a single application - do you open up JPG
> >files in IE, in Photoshop, in a viewer, etc? Even more confusing
> >with "text" files.
> >
>
> Not only this but with kernel 2.4 you can associate different types of file
> with the same extension to different applications - E.g one program for
> Fax type tiff files, one for jpeg format tiff files, etc.
> You can also assign DOS format .exe files to DOSEMU and windows format
> .exe files to wine.
> Both of the above are achieved by using the new 'misc binaries' settings and
> telling
> the kernel what bit-pattern (with optional bit-masking) to apply to files to
> identify what
> type of files they are. It is difficult at the moment but I am sure someone
> will soon come
> up with a gui utility to set this up simply. Try applying this type of file
> association under
> windows (or any other OS).
This sounds like one collassal goat-fuck...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
their behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 11:38:56 +0100
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> This is a shining example of what I mean about Mac Advocay illiteracy.
> >> Heck, it's even better than CLund's utter lack of experience with
> >> NT/W2k.
> >Maybe you should tell me what's new in W2K compared to W98...?
> <boggle>
You're saying there's nothing new? Then I guess I'm as fluent with W2K as
I am with Win98.
--
C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:50:49 +0100
>My brother has been calling for air strikes on MS for at least a couple
>of years now.
>
>If the Justice Department doesn't get 'em, the Air Force can. ;-)
>
Perhaps dropping a few thousand copies of linux over a few big cities or
maybe
getting a few newspaper companies to give away copies will have a similar
effect
as who is going to spend the prices MS charge for windows when they have
just
had something better delivered free with their morning paper - especially if
it includes
eqivalents of all the applications they could be considering purchasing.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: GPL & freedom (was: How low can they go...?)
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:45:53 GMT
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:56:37 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
|news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
|> On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:38:45 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|> wrote:
|>
|> >1) An employee of mine makes use of GPL'd code without my permission.
|> >The code is released and the use of that code is discovered. I must
|> >now release all my code as GPL'd despite the fact that I never made a
|> >choice to use it.
|>
|> An employee of yours makes use of proprietary code without your
|> permission. The code is released and the use is discovered. You will
|> now be sued and will most likely have to pay heavy damages and/or
|> recall your product.
|
|Yes. Absolutely.
|
|But guess what? You *CAN'T* recall a GPL'd product. The license will not
|allow it.
The licence your customers signed wasn't the GPL. You may be able to recall the
software under that licence, remove the GPL'd code, and issue a "bug-fix" update.
I'd also improve your auditing procedures.
|> >Yes, it's bad to have infringed someone elses copyright and I should pay
|> >royalties or recall my code. I don't have those choices with GPL'd
|> >code.
|>
|> The author of the original code is always free to license it to you
|> under other terms, if he can be convinced. Or you can recall your
|> code, just as you would have in the case of having used proprietary
|> code by mistake.
|
|Yes and no. The author of the original code can relicense FUTURE versions
|of the code, but cannot go back and relicense the code already released.
|
|> >2) I sell my code to a third party that uses my code with GPL'd code.
|> >Suddenly, because someone ELSE uses my code I now have to legally
|> >publish my code because it's been linked to GPL'd code.
|>
|> Why? It would seem that the third party is the one that violated the
|> GPL. They would have to stop distributing their product and/or license
|> the GPL code under other terms.
|
|You apparently haven't read the GPL well enough. The GPL doesn't
|differentiate between who owns the non-GPL'd code and who doesn't. If the
|third party releases a product with both GPL'd and non-GPL'd code, then the
|GPL requires that the non-GPL'd code be released, regardless of who owns it.
IANAL, but my take on this follows.
Did the licence you used when you sold your program permit resale?
What conditions did it place on resale/distribution?
If they didn't have your permission to release the source code, then
they don't have the legal ability to agree to the GPL and you don't
need to release your source code.
Of course, the 3rd party has to stop distributing the GPL'ed code,
and may even need to recal their hybrid product. Obviously this product
is not covered bythe GPL and can be recalled.
You may even have grouds for a damages claim against the people you
sold the code to, although the owners of the copyright of the GPL'd
code they used may have a better case.
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
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From: "Andy Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 11:14:59 +0100
<snip>
> > Internet access as I said before is mostly nominal (local phone call)
> > or completely free, no phone call or other charges.
>
> What telco provider in the UK offers unmetered dial-up? According to
> everything I've read, even from British rags, BT is your only choice
> and they only offer metered. Or, if they do offer unmetered, it's
> prohibitively expensive.
>
<snip>
ntl do....I don't pay a penny for my internet access, it's a toll-free
number and there's no monthly charge either.
:-)
www.net4nowt.co.uk has lots of info about unmetered / cheap internet access
in the UK
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From: dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 06:20:51 -0500
On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 11:38:56 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(C Lund) wrote:
>In article
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> >> This is a shining example of what I mean about Mac Advocay illiteracy.
>> >> Heck, it's even better than CLund's utter lack of experience with
>> >> NT/W2k.
>> >Maybe you should tell me what's new in W2K compared to W98...?
>> <boggle>
>
>You're saying there's nothing new? Then I guess I'm as fluent with W2K as
>I am with Win98.
<boggle> Well, at least you admit you know nothing about W2k.
Anyway, there have been enough posts here that, by now, you should be
reasonably educated about it. But I suggest you not knock something
you know nothing about.
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From: "Mark Langsdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Criteria in Evaluating Distributions:
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:24:51 -0500
"SamIam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> What's so hard about setting up an ISP with Linux? Any distribution
> with KDE should be just fine. I've never had any problems using KPPP
> with Mandrake. It does take an extra step of actually calling the ISP
> and getting DNS numbers but other than that its simple. Can't comment
> on setting up a broadband connection because I've never done it.
My broadband connection set-up experience had two parts:
1. Install an updated version of dhcpcd because SuSE 6.3 has a
buggy version.
2. Start surfing.
The only way it could have been easier is if I'd been smart
enough to buy 6.4 when I had the chance.
-Mark Langsdorf
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From: Jason McNorton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 06:49:21 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > This is a shining example of what I mean about Mac Advocay illiteracy.
> > Heck, it's even better than CLund's utter lack of experience with
> > NT/W2k.
>
> Maybe you should tell me what's new in W2K compared to W98...?
This is completely off topic, but.. I have to ask. Was it drugs or
schizophrenia that hit you in 1992 for you to produce those sketches on
your site?
Their quality is quite good, but the content is far more twisted than
stuff I've seen come from extremely disturbed individuals. There's an
evilness and detached oddness to them that puts anything by HR Giger to
shame.
You don't gotta answer of course, but I'm genuinely curious as to their
origins.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:24:37 GMT
On 09/15/2000 at 04:45 PM,
Jack Troughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Go look up the deserts of Northern Africa. In the time of Rome, they
> weren't deserts. They are now. It is generally accepted in the
> scientific community that the use of slash-and-burn agriculture was a
> major if not the determining factor in causing this change, and
> certainly accelerated it a great deal.
Funny, I checked with the Egyptian Museum at the University of
Pennsylania. They told me that this theory is NOT generally accepted.
--
==============================================================================================
Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 14
MR/2 Ice 2.20 Registration Number 67
Finishing in 2nd place makes you first loser
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comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:24:38 GMT
On 09/16/2000 at 02:11 AM,
"Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Granted, it's difficult to predict precise weather changes over a short
> time period, but predicting weather over longer time frames isn't as
> difficult.
Anyone who ever got a C or better in Earth Science in 7th Grade knows that
weather is short range. Long range it is called climate.
--
==============================================================================================
Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 14
MR/2 Ice 2.20 Registration Number 67
Finishing in 2nd place makes you first loser
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: 15 Sep 2000 23:19:04 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, RogerB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Crap. For years Ms has been the only produce because
>the stores sell nothing else. The average user gets a PC pre-installed
>and couldn't install windows any easier than linux. Out here in the
>country I have to drive twice as far for a loaf of bread than a pc
>with windows. The masses don't want choice they want a a loaf of
more likely: they want or need a computer, go to the next store and
get told that ms is the only thing available. not being experts, they
believe the advice of the dealer whom they erroneously believe to know
what he is talking about, and settle for what he sells them.
over the years i had numerous talks with people who complained how
lousy the computer they had to work with is. when i told them about
available alternatives, they were genuinely surprised that such
alternatives even existed. the only alternative most some were aware
of was apple.
> ...
hs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: 15 Sep 2000 23:27:58 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:59:34 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RogerB) wrote:
>
>> Crap. For years Ms has been the only produce because
>>the stores sell nothing else.
>
>Bull shit. There has *never* been a time when MS didn't have
>any competition. Claiming "they only came out on top because
that is debatable. true enough, there always was something available,
but you had to know about it and be very persistent to get it.
practically all stores and direct sellers offered ms and nothing else,
didn't bother to inform potential customers that anything else was
available. there was a period where dr-dos had a chance. just check
the court documents about how ms took care of that problem
>the stores sell nothing else" is as stupid as the crap Ray Lopez
how many stores do you know who sold something else, or were even
willing to look into it when you demanded it (which most newbies
couldn't simply because nobody told them)
> ...
hs
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:02:40 GMT
Mark Kelley writes:
>>> Hah! You've broken into repeating the same comments over and over
>>> again without addressing anything.
>> On the contrary, I addressed everything, Mark.
> You've responded, but not addressed.
Typical pontification.
> The difference is probably too subtle for someone like you to
> understand.
The proof is probably too hard for you to provide.
> But at least you're trying, and that's what really matters. Good
> job, Dave!
Meanwhile, you're not trying to provide substantiation, Mark.
>>> I win! You lose!
>> Classic pontification.
> Wrong on both counts,
Where is your evidence, Mark?
> but I can't really expect you to understand.
I can really expect you to substantiate your claims, Mark.
> I know you're doing the best you can, though, and that's important.
Meanwhile, you're not trying to provide substantiation, Mark.
>>> I accept your surrender.
>> What alleged "surrender", Mark? Does it make you feel better to
>> walk away from a discussion thinking that?
> It might if it were somebody other than you; that's a human failing
> I have.
So much for evolution.
> With you, though, it's just too easy.
But you obviously didn't walk about from the discussion. You're
sticking with it, but avoiding the presentation of any proof for
your claims.
> I can't be proud of winning against you; there was never any other
> possible outcome.
Classic pontification.
> I entered armed as a normal human being while you came in with
> tools used by those nearer the roots of the evolutionary tree.
> I'm sorry, Dave, I should have left you alone.
But you didn't, Mark.
> You're trying and doing your best, and that's all we can expect of you.
Meanwhile, you're not trying to provide substantiation, Mark.
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From: "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:03:34 -0400
Hartmann Schaffer wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:59:34 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RogerB) wrote:
> >
> >> Crap. For years Ms has been the only produce because
> >>the stores sell nothing else.
> >
> >Bull shit. There has *never* been a time when MS didn't have
> >any competition. Claiming "they only came out on top because
>
> that is debatable. true enough, there always was something available,
> but you had to know about it and be very persistent to get it.
> practically all stores and direct sellers offered ms and nothing else,
> didn't bother to inform potential customers that anything else was
> available. there was a period where dr-dos had a chance. just check
> the court documents about how ms took care of that problem
>
> >the stores sell nothing else" is as stupid as the crap Ray Lopez
>
> how many stores do you know who sold something else, or were even
> willing to look into it when you demanded it (which most newbies
> couldn't simply because nobody told them)
>
> > ...
>
> hs
Most of the folks I know in the retail business don't know how to
operate anything but windows. The technicians may know how, but the
money is in working on MS boxes. It's a "volume" thing.
--
Rinaldi]$
"The federal government has taken too much tax money from the people,
too much authority from the states, and too much liberty with the
Constitution." --Ronald Reagan
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From: Tim Mayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:06:00 GMT
"Joe R." wrote:
>
> In article <39c0d734$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Nathan Crause"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Why? Are game developers not real programmers?
> >
> > "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,38736,00.html
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > > Graeme Devine, a designer at Id Software, which makes Doom and Quake,
> > > > said that overall, Mac OS X is a stronger operating system than Linux
> > > > or
> > > > Windows NT.
> > > >
> > > > "The tools for development are extremely good, extremely finished,"
> > > > Devine said. "Linux and NT also have great tools and there are other
> > > > advantages, but the combination of a great server and the development
> > > > tools make Mac OS X better than the other platforms."
> > > > =====
> > >
> > > But the opinion of game developers obviously doesn't count any more.
> >
> >
>
> I was being sarcastic.
>
> The reference was to the fact that the Wintrolls keep coming up with
> silly arguments about what's important to a "real" computer and as soon
> as the Mac is shown to be better, that particular issue doesn't matter
> any more.
ROFL - Max OS X has been in development for how many years, and only now
is it considered by 'ONE' programmer to be better than NT for game
design? And don't forget that Apple has yet to even _SHIP_ the real
version, which will probably be late like everything else they do.
Tim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:06:44 GMT
Marty writes:
> Dave "Fozzy" Tholen wrote:
Where did that come from, Marty?
>> Marty writes:
>>>>> Dave "Fozzy" Tholen wrote:
>>>> Where did that come from, Marty?
>>> The previous attribution in this thread.
>> You didn't explain whee that one came from, Marty.
> Of what relevance is "whee" that one came from?
Typical evasion.
>>> I was just being consistent.
>> Consistent with the lack of an explanation, Marty.
> Still having reading comprehension problems, I see.
You see incorrectly again, Marty.
>>>>>> Marty writes:
>>>>>>> Dave "Fozzy" Tholen wrote:
>>>>>> Where did that come from, Marty?
>>>>> Your lack of culture never ceases to astound.
>>>> I see that you didn't answer my question.
>>> Incorrect.
>> Tyopical pontification.
> What is allegedly "tyopical" about it?
Typical evasion.
>>>> No surprise there.
>>> No surprise that you would ignore the answer I presented.
>> What alleged answer, Marty?
> See above.
Where is the alleged answer above, Marty?
>>>>>>>> Marty writes:
>>>>>>>>>> Jim "our-very-own-twice-elected-KOTM" Stuyck writes:
>>>>>>>>> Why not pick a more unique name, like "Fozzy" or "Kermit"?
>>>>>>>> Stuyck wanted to be addressed by his title, Marty. I'm simply
>>>>>>>> following his lead, and he hasn't used either of those.
>>>>>>> I'd like to be addressed by you as "Fozzy".
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>> Because that is what I would like.
>>>> Why?
>>> Because I would like that.
>> Why?
> Because I would find that to my pleasing.
Why?
>>>>>>> Are you now going to follow my lead?
>>>>>> Perhaps.
>>>>> Aren't you sure?
>>>> I have no idea what your "lead" truly is,
>>> Not surprising.
>> Because of your inconsistency, Marty.
> What alleged "inconsistency"?
The inconsistency of your "leads", Marty.
> I see you failed to note my consistent use of
> the attribution in this thread.
The key words here are "in this thread". It's the other threads
that demonstrate your inconsistency, Marty.
>>>> Marty, given that you are so inconsistent.
>>> Incorrect, given that I've used the attribution consistently in
>>> this thread.
>> What do you consider "this thread" to be, Marty?
> The postings in which I have used the attribution "Dave 'Fozzy'
> Tholen" and your responses to such postings.
Classic illogical circular reasoning.
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