Linux-Advocacy Digest #289, Volume #29           Sun, 24 Sep 00 15:13:04 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Does Linux have snazzy FrontPage equivalent for web page authoring and 
'publishing'? ("Ingemar Lundin")
  Re: How low can they go...? ("JS/PL")
  Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
  Re: Win2K (Jacques Guy)
  Re: TEST---DO NOT READ (Jacques Guy)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
  Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? (Pete 
Goodwin)

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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.windows98,microsoft.public.frontpage.extensions.unix
Subject: Re: Does Linux have snazzy FrontPage equivalent for web page authoring and 
'publishing'?
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:17:58 GMT

hey jan...i think the man just asked for a eq to frontpage....not a linux
preach ;-)

/IL

"Jan Ruitenbeek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:qIdz5.448732$Kw2.3928865@flipper...
> Hi,
>
> Linux is an operating system in progress with many tastes. You have
Debian,
> Redhat, Suse, etc. Linux also has a wide range of windowmanagers (the
> graphical interface, better known as GUI), like GNOME, KDE, FVWM2,
> AFTERSTEP, etc. Each windowmanager has its own look and feel and its won
> programs. There's no standard as in Windows. Maybe, at this moment, there
> are no applications equal to Frontpage or Netscape Composer, but
development
> is on its way and , yes, there are programs to create webpages for the
Linux
> system.
>
> If you are already using Linux, look out for StarOffice 5.2. It's a free
> (yes  I mean it !!!) office suite (compatible with MSOffice 97 and 2000)
> that allows you to create webpages  with frames, java, and all the nice
> stuff you would like.
>
> Conclusion: in some aspects, Linux might not be as far developped as you
> would like, but new applications are are on their way. And now comes the
> most important thing: most Linux appliations are free!!! You have to take
a
> look for yourself if you want to go on with Windows or just abandon
Windows
> and start with Linux.
>
> Success with your choice!!!
>
>
> Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 8qjlq0$fc1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sorry to be a pain, but just curious, does  Linux have any FrontPage
> > equivalent for web page authoring and 'publishing'?  Now right off the
> > bat, I want to delimit the conversation to the idealistic FrontPage,
where
> > no sloppy code is produced and no 'extentions' evil incompatibility
plots
> > exist--- if it actually works isn't fair game either.   I hear
Nutscrape's
> > equivalent has met with user frustration.  What is a GNU dude to do?
> > Would it be the same for browsers, where for the moment one must violate
> > anti-M$ morals if one wants to be not losing out to the user in the next
> > carrel.  P.S. I know the anti-M$ website[s] lists equivalents for M$
> > tools.
> > --
> > www.geocities.com/jidanni E-mail: restore ".com."  ¿n¤¦¥§
> > Tel:+886-4-5854780; starting in year 2001: +886-4-25854780
> > The Austin Powers of computing reading this on  comp.os.linux.advocacy
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:27:10 -0400


"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> I've explained this only a half dozen times.  Why don't you email it to
> all the other trolls: I only use a single computer; a laptop provided by
> my company.  I don't *have* a 'home PC'.  I won't dual boot, and I have
> a Linux box (an old Gateway laptop) at the office, but mostly I just use
> Sun boxes when I use Unix.

Pathetic.
Quit complaining about the operating system you freely choose to use, or
switch. It's very simple, AND the answer to all your Microsoft problems.

You have not proven in any way that you are forced to use MS in your leisure
time. But by saying that you in fact HAVE access to other platforms your
only hurting your position that your forced to use MS products.




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From: Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:45:33 GMT

"Boyle M. Owl" wrote:
> People are free to run whatever software they wish to run.  If *you*
> don't like "non-professionals" writing code, then jusd don't run any

Hey, buddy, I also don't like professionals writing bad code. I have
just as much agaist most implementations of Unix as I have agaist
Linux.

And who the fuck are you defending here? For some reason, I doubt
strongly it's yourself!

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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:01:58 GMT

On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:51:23 GMT, ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> ZnU wrote:
>> > 
>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > david raoul derbes wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > In article <1efxfht.4xtbz1uyehb2N@[192.168.0.144]>,
>> > > > Andrew J. Brehm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > >Donavon Pfeiffer Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >I don't know how inheritance tax is implemented in the US, but to 
>> > > > >me it
>> > > > >seems unlikely that a family farm would be bothered with it. Where 
>> > > > >I
>> > > > >live inheritance tax starts way above the level where it could 
>> > > > >trouble
>> > > > >farmers.
>> > > >
>> > > > You are very much mistaken.
>> > > >
>> > > > At the age of 68, my mother had to find 480,000 US to pay the 
>> > > > government
>> > > > for her sister and brother in law's farm. To be fair to the 
>> > > > government,
>> > > > she had ten years to pay it off. She managed, but it wasn't easy.
>> > > >
>> > > > She died about two months ago, and now my sister and I get to 
>> > > > repeat
>> > > > the process.
>> > > >
>> > > > And yet, I think that we need the inheritance tax. Those who think 
>> > > > the
>> > > > inheritance tax is some sort of wicked thing should perhaps read
>> > > > Thomas Jefferson and James Madison on the subject.
>> > >
>> > > No.  We need to eliminate the inheritance tax (PRECISELY for the
>> > > reasons described above), and replace it with a sales tax.
>> > 
>> > No, we need to have exceptions to the inheritance tax to allow family
>> > farms or family businesses up to a certain value to be passed along.
>> > 
>> > If you're so against handouts, why do you support the multimillion
>> > dollar handouts rich parents pass along to their children?
>> 
>> Because it's THEIR money to do with as they please.
>> 
>> I'm not against handouts, I'm against government pickpockets
>> using me as the financial basis for their handouts.
>
>Why does the child of a rich person deserve a handout more than the 
>child of a poor person?

How can you compare passing on to your FAMILY with giving (NO
government theft) to "the poor" ??
> 
>> Why is it that every time a liberal wants to do good, it always
>> depends on stealing money from me....
>
>Probably because you're more interested in your own luxury than in the 
>well-being of the society you live in.

What do you do to help the less fortunate??


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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:04:14 GMT

On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:33:20 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>ZnU wrote:
>> 
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> > ZnU wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > david raoul derbes wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > In article <1efxfht.4xtbz1uyehb2N@[192.168.0.144]>,
>> > > > > Andrew J. Brehm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > > >Donavon Pfeiffer Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >I don't know how inheritance tax is implemented in the US, but to
>> > > > > >me it
>> > > > > >seems unlikely that a family farm would be bothered with it. Where
>> > > > > >I
>> > > > > >live inheritance tax starts way above the level where it could
>> > > > > >trouble
>> > > > > >farmers.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You are very much mistaken.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > At the age of 68, my mother had to find 480,000 US to pay the
>> > > > > government
>> > > > > for her sister and brother in law's farm. To be fair to the
>> > > > > government,
>> > > > > she had ten years to pay it off. She managed, but it wasn't easy.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > She died about two months ago, and now my sister and I get to
>> > > > > repeat
>> > > > > the process.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > And yet, I think that we need the inheritance tax. Those who think
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > inheritance tax is some sort of wicked thing should perhaps read
>> > > > > Thomas Jefferson and James Madison on the subject.
>> > > >
>> > > > No.  We need to eliminate the inheritance tax (PRECISELY for the
>> > > > reasons described above), and replace it with a sales tax.
>> > >
>> > > No, we need to have exceptions to the inheritance tax to allow family
>> > > farms or family businesses up to a certain value to be passed along.
>> > >
>> > > If you're so against handouts, why do you support the multimillion
>> > > dollar handouts rich parents pass along to their children?
>> >
>> > Because it's THEIR money to do with as they please.
>> >
>> > I'm not against handouts, I'm against government pickpockets
>> > using me as the financial basis for their handouts.
>> 
>> Why does the child of a rich person deserve a handout more than the
>> child of a poor person?
>
>Deserving has nothing to do with it
>
>It's the rich person's ***CHOICE**** to give their money away to
>whomever
>they see fit.
>
>Your problem is....you innately ABHOR the idea of the people who earn
>the money being allowed to CHOOSE what the fuck to do with it.
>
>Well.....YOU GO TO HELL!
>
>
>
>> 
>> > Why is it that every time a liberal wants to do good, it always
>> > depends on stealing money from me....
>> 
>> Probably because you're more interested in your own luxury than in the
>> well-being of the society you live in.
>
>Which is my right as an American citizen.
>
>Hint fucking hint: EVERYBODY is free to pursue happiness by whatever
>non-criminal means which they choose.  There is no guarantee of
>happiness,
>merely the right to ****PURSUE**** it.
>
>Is any of this getting through to you, namby-pampy socialist?
>
>
>You ask, "well, who's gonna do something for the poor?"
>
>Fuck that.... let them do something for themselves for once in their
>life.
>
>I've been flat broke before....on a couple of occassions, in fact.
>I've never taken a dime of government aid, and never will.
>
>Why?  Because I don't believe in stealing from my neighbors
>just because I can't afford steak that month.
>

Amen Brother!!, sometimes you have to scream at these thieving
socialists!!!!
>
You are 100% right.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> 
>> --
>> This universe shipped by weight, not volume.  Some expansion may have
>> occurred during shipment.
>> 
>> ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>


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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:06:35 GMT

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:54:14 GMT, ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> ZnU wrote:
>> > 
>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" 
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > ZnU wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" 
>> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > david raoul derbes wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > In article <1efxfht.4xtbz1uyehb2N@[192.168.0.144]>, Andrew 
>> > > > > > J. Brehm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > > > >Donavon Pfeiffer Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >I don't know how inheritance tax is implemented in the US, 
>> > > > > > >but to me it seems unlikely that a family farm would be 
>> > > > > > >bothered with it. Where I live inheritance tax starts way 
>> > > > > > >above the level where it could trouble farmers.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > You are very much mistaken.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > At the age of 68, my mother had to find 480,000 US to pay 
>> > > > > > the government for her sister and brother in law's farm. To 
>> > > > > > be fair to the government, she had ten years to pay it off. 
>> > > > > > She managed, but it wasn't easy.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > She died about two months ago, and now my sister and I get 
>> > > > > > to repeat the process.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > And yet, I think that we need the inheritance tax. Those 
>> > > > > > who think the inheritance tax is some sort of wicked thing 
>> > > > > > should perhaps read Thomas Jefferson and James Madison on 
>> > > > > > the subject.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > No.  We need to eliminate the inheritance tax (PRECISELY for 
>> > > > > the reasons described above), and replace it with a sales 
>> > > > > tax.
>> > > >
>> > > > No, we need to have exceptions to the inheritance tax to allow 
>> > > > family farms or family businesses up to a certain value to be 
>> > > > passed along.
>> > > >
>> > > > If you're so against handouts, why do you support the 
>> > > > multimillion dollar handouts rich parents pass along to their 
>> > > > children?
>> > >
>> > > Because it's THEIR money to do with as they please.
>> > >
>> > > I'm not against handouts, I'm against government pickpockets 
>> > > using me as the financial basis for their handouts.
>> > 
>> > Why does the child of a rich person deserve a handout more than the 
>> > child of a poor person?
>> 
>> Deserving has nothing to do with it
>> 
>> It's the rich person's ***CHOICE**** to give their money away to 
>> whomever they see fit.
>> 
>> Your problem is....you innately ABHOR the idea of the people who earn 
>> the money being allowed to CHOOSE what the fuck to do with it.
>> 
>> Well.....YOU GO TO HELL!
>
>No. What I "innately ABHOR" is the idea that some people get tons of 
>money without doing a thing to earn it while others work hard their 
>entire lives and stay poor.
>
Maybe if they weren't taxed to death, they might get ahead. What about
th deadbeats who get tons of my hard earned money without doing a
thing to earn it??

>> > > Why is it that every time a liberal wants to do good, it always 
>> > > depends on stealing money from me....
>> > 
>> > Probably because you're more interested in your own luxury than in 
>> > the well-being of the society you live in.
>> 
>> Which is my right as an American citizen.
>
>The society you live it has decided that it isn't.

No it didn't..everyone wants to be wealthy, most are to lazy to
realize it.
>
>[snip]


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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:14:13 GMT

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:37:39 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>C Lund wrote:
>> 
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> > > No. What I "innately ABHOR" is the idea that some people get tons of
>> > > money without doing a thing to earn it while others work hard their
>> >                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > > entire lives and stay poor.
>> >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > Spot the lie.
>> 
>> You've never heard of the "working poor", have you? Look it up.
>> 
>
>
>Any body in the United States who "works hard" and has even the
>slightest clue about
>
>a) saving money vs. spending habits
>and
>b) the fluidity of the job market (i.e. you can always go get a
>    NEW job if don't like what you're getting paid.).
>
>
>Those who are the working poor are either
>
>a) too stupid to save money (they blow it on shit they can't afford)
>and/or
>b) too lazy to find a better paying job.


Very True! 

Many people live beyond their means, thus ending up poor. Do they need
government programs and handouts?? NO.. they need some discipline and
financial management.

And maybe a swift kick in the ass..Been there myself..and learned the
hard way... 

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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:18:00 GMT

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:07:57 GMT, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Those who are the working poor are either
>>
>> a) too stupid to save money (they blow it on shit they can't afford)
>> and/or
>
>This seems all too common, unfortunately...
>
>> b) too lazy to find a better paying job.
>
>This is fairly common, however many bothered not to get an education
>(despite the billions of dollars in social funding for poor or
>minority education grants and scholarships) and don't see the necessity,
>yet they complain that they can't make more money and they're stuck
>flipping burgers.
>
>Thanks to Clinton and the social democrats of yesteryear for making
>welfare more profitable than minimum wage and for continuting to
>increase minimum wage and encourage the division of social classes
>and making it lucrative for poor, uneducated Americans to stay poor
>and uneducated rather than educating themselves and becoming rich.
>
>Socialist Democrats say they're for the poor, minorities and lower-
>middle class workers/blue-collar, but their policies speak a
>different tune.
>
>-Chad
>
They claim to be the "compassionate" helping class, when in reality
they seek to control and dictate to the masses, because they truly do
not believe that "the public" is smart enough to succeed and survive
without their "help". they are the true elitists. and they have been
working hard to create a generation of "victims" and are usually the
last to accept true responsibility.
>
>


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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:23:01 GMT

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:26:37 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>
>>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>
>>> It's simple: FUCK THEM!
>>>
>>> They had their chance to avail themselves to an
>>> education...AND THEY ****CHOSE**** not to partake.
>
>>As easy as it sounds, that's not America. America was
>>built by successful, hard-working, independant people.
>
>>Up until the socialist democrats came into power, is
>>continuing in that fashion.
>
>>Now we have career welfare familys and single-parent
>>households whose only source of income is having
>>more children and slinging dope to buy that cadillac
>>while their children starve (yes, I've seen this happen
>>with my own eyes. I've seen families appear before court
>>who wouldn't pay their bills, their children had been
>>starving and were seized by Child Services but they had
>>two pedigree dogs that they fed gourmet dog food to)
>
>This is the kind of idiocy raygun ron use talk about about in speeches. But he
>and all of his aids all put together couldn't ever produce one single living
>(or ever having lived) example of this.  So Chad you have found something that
>the most important and powerful people in the world couldn't.
>
>It time for your 10 seconds of fame. Give us you name, address and phone
>number. I'll get you on national TV.  -- Of course I know you won't do this
>because you are lying.  In fact I think you are so full of bullshit that you
>probably can't breath deep in your own presence without choking.
>
>>They've created a society of incompetent, uneducated,
>>worthless voters with which they can manipulate into
>>voting for them every election because "those mean
>>spirited Republicans" want to take everything away
>>and actually make them productive and self-reliant
>>again.
>
>You don't impress me as having brains enough to know the difference.

"raygun ron" huh?? you can thank his brilliance for the economy you
have enjoyed for the last decade. too bad slick willie has pissed it
all away with his careless spending and lack of future vision.

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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:25:00 GMT

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:51:08 GMT, Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>In article <fYkq5.20221$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > It's simple: FUCK THEM!
>> >
>> > They had their chance to avail themselves to an
>> > education...AND THEY ****CHOSE**** not to partake.
>> 
>> As easy as it sounds, that's not America. America was
>> built by successful, hard-working, independant people.
>> 
>> Up until the socialist democrats came into power, is
>> continuing in that fashion.
>> 
>> Now we have career welfare familys and single-parent
>> households whose only source of income is having
>> more children and slinging dope to buy that cadillac
>> while their children starve (yes, I've seen this happen
>> with my own eyes. I've seen families appear before court
>> who wouldn't pay their bills, their children had been
>> starving and were seized by Child Services but they had
>> two pedigree dogs that they fed gourmet dog food to)
>> 
>> They've created a society of incompetent, uneducated,
>> worthless voters with which they can manipulate into
>> voting for them every election because "those mean
>> spirited Republicans" want to take everything away
>> and actually make them productive and self-reliant
>> again.
>> 
>
>There's an interesting case I read about in the paper today. The 
>government siezed custody of a 3 year old kid who weighed 120 lb, even 
>though the doctors said that there was no immediate threat to her 
>health. They claimed that there was no metabolic disorder (although "we 
>couldn't find a metabolic disorder" would have been more plausible).
>
>So what do they do for an encore? Start taking kids away from parents 
>who smoke? Start locking people up who are overweight?
>
>It's interesting that the Government who said that Elian should go home 
>because parents should raise their children (a sentiment I agree with) 
>was willing to take a kid away from her parents because she was 
>overweight.


Once again we see the "compassionate" liberals showing their true
colors. They know better than the parents you know......

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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:27:46 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win2K

Adam Warner wrote:
 
> > For me, there is one app though that manages to BLUE SCREEN even Win2k.
 
> Yep, suffered from that:
> http://www.wininformant.com/display.asp?ID=2868
 
> Unconscionable responses from both MS and Adaptec.

Out of sheer curiosity, I visited that URL. To me, it
felt like the end of proprietary software. When I read
all these microflames about which is easier to install
and use, of the many  varieties of Windows and Linux,
I remember my trips to the local bookshop. Not a  
specialized bookshop by any means. The science-fiction
shelves occupy about as much space as the IT ones. And
all those titles about WinME for dummies (dumb ME's?),
Win2K made dead and easy, Word 2000 for the billions,
even beginners' guides to Win98 -- but thanks to 
Bill's policies, they are being remaindered at five
bucks a shot (so Microsoft is not all bad after all, 
you just have to be patient -- me, I am still with
Windoze 3.11 when I need  to,  and all the stuff  I
use is abandonware -- thank you Bill!). Much like
when, 40 years  ago (do you remember?) you really
had to get a new car every other year (no spare
parts). Bigger, heavier, thirstier. Win95, Win98,
WinME, Win2001, Win2002, Win2002 (May release),
Win2002 (August release).... please update your
air-conditioning system, Win2002 (September release)
minimum requirements are an Intel Crapulon 8GHz chip that
gives off 16 terajoules of heat. As many as the  terabytes
of RAM you need to run your NEW! IMPROVED! Win2002 that
does not, repeat, does not, and is guaranteed not
to blue-screen! (*)



(*) purple is the new colour.

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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:34:33 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: TEST---DO NOT READ

The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
 
> TEATS -- DEFINITELY SQUEEZE

O tuae mammulae, mammulae, mammulae,
dulciter turgidae, gemina poma,
mea manus est cupida, cupida, cupida,
illas vehementer prensare!

By kind courtesy of Carl Orff and
Catullus (Catulli Carmina -- Carl Orff)

But I won't go into  her fonticula...
well not here, in public. This is a
family newsgroup... isn't it?

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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:37:51 GMT

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:55:07 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>C Lund wrote:
>> 
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> > That's because of the particular issues we've been discussing.  Try
>> > asking him about censorship and he'll probably sound like a Democrat.
>> 
>> I see..
>> 
>> Which ng are you two posting from anyway? I'm on CSMA. I'm not sure what
>
>No wonder you write like a hand-wringing pansy.
>
HAHAHA 


I'm really enjoying this thread even if I am a little late in jumping
in...
>
>> this topic has to do with Macintosh computers... (but it's an interesting
>> change)
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> C Lund
>> http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/


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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:40:00 GMT

On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:23:21 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(C Lund) wrote:

>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > Which ng are you two posting from anyway? I'm on CSMA. I'm not sure what
>> No wonder you write like a hand-wringing pansy.
>
>And what should I say about somebody who writes like a smug,
>self-centered, holier-than-thou right-wing extremist?

funny.... it seems to me that you liberals have the "holier-than-thou"
attitude with your fix the world through taxation and government
social programs rhetoric....

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Subject: Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:41:18 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Butler) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 

>But linux itself hardly ever freezes up (or in my case, never has).  And
>if something does freeze (application, not linux), it's a matter of
>about 5 seconds to kill and restart it (rather than rebooting).

True, but Linux can still freeze up. I've managed to see a hang on system 
shutdown (a kernel oops! in fact).

I've also seen the Window Manager freeze up. Since there was no way to 
telnet into the machine, I had to reboot to recover.

>Actually, it's more like no real games.  Or very few, anyway.  Other
>than games, I've not had trouble finding a linux equivilant (or better)
>to any windows software.  Of course, this depends on what specifically
>you need software for...  I just use the standard stuff (word processor,
>news/email, C development environment, etc).

Some of the graphics tools leave a lot to be desired. They all do different 
things, with different styles and menus. I seem to need to use multiple 
applications to do what I do on Windows with two.

-- 
Pete Goodwin
---
Coming soon, Kylix, Delphi on Linux.
My success does not require the destruction of Microsoft.


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