Linux-Advocacy Digest #289, Volume #34 Mon, 7 May 01 09:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just how commercially viable is OSS?... (Was Re: Interesting MS speech on
OSS/GPL ( /. hates it so it's good)) ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: the Boom, Boom department (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Linux disgusts me (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("JD")
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Tom Wilson")
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Peter da Silva)
Re: Cold feet or Reality Check? ("Mikkel Elmholdt")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:26:48 -0400
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Dave Martel wrote:
> >
> > On 06 May 2001 01:07:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Why not, 62 apps! :-
> >
> > Geez, no wonder MS is getting so worried. Their timing was WAY off on
> > this one. It's far, far too late to stop the open-source movement.
> >
> > I've got this mental image of BG tied across the tracks desperately
> > reciting his anti-linux mantra while a trainload of penguins bears
> > down on him. Heh heh!
>
> I was hoping someday that the official linux mascot would be the
> Seagull.
> Visualize this: BG running hard for cover as a flock of Seagulls go on
> a straffing run!
Gould already did that with a flying dinosaur with IBM and DEC sales droids
running for cover.
>
> --
> V
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just how commercially viable is OSS?... (Was Re: Interesting MS speech
on OSS/GPL ( /. hates it so it's good))
Date: 7 May 2001 07:27:09 -0500
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9d10qa$g7c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > However, I agree on one
> > point, the Linux commercial distributors are struggling to make profits.
>
>
> IBM might become a large Linux distributer. The distribution may not make
> a profit, but if the popularity of Linux increases, IBM benefit since
> their hardware runs Linux
Then again, their benchmark record setting hardware runs Windows 2000
better.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:27:21 -0400
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Dave Martel wrote:
> > >
> > > On 06 May 2001 01:07:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Why not, 62 apps! :-
> > >
> > > Geez, no wonder MS is getting so worried. Their timing was WAY off on
> > > this one. It's far, far too late to stop the open-source movement.
> > >
> > > I've got this mental image of BG tied across the tracks desperately
> > > reciting his anti-linux mantra while a trainload of penguins bears
> > > down on him. Heh heh!
> >
> >
> > I was hoping someday that the official linux mascot would be the
> > Seagull.
> > Visualize this: BG running hard for cover as a flock of Seagulls go on
> > a straffing run!
>
> The avian mammals or the 80's new wave group with the funny hair?
yes
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:27:54 -0400
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Dave Martel wrote:
> > >
> > > On 06 May 2001 01:07:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Why not, 62 apps! :-
> > >
> > > Geez, no wonder MS is getting so worried. Their timing was WAY off on
> > > this one. It's far, far too late to stop the open-source movement.
> > >
> > > I've got this mental image of BG tied across the tracks desperately
> > > reciting his anti-linux mantra while a trainload of penguins bears
> > > down on him. Heh heh!
> >
> >
> > I was hoping someday that the official linux mascot would be the
> > Seagull.
> > Visualize this: BG running hard for cover as a flock of Seagulls go on
> > a straffing run!
>
> The avian mammals or the 80's new wave group with the funny hair?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You mean: "The aqautic avians or the 80's new wave gropu with the funny hair?
answer: yes
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the Boom, Boom department
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 00:29:21 -0700
> >> Linux is not yet a credible games platform.
> >Not yet, however, OpenGL and OpenAL are both taking shape quickly.
> >Also, if you were playing these games with Xfree86 3.3.6, then yes, it
> >would be shit house, however, 4.03 is a milestone in terms of
> >performance etc when playing games.
> I wish (really, I do). Yes, 4.03 is faster in terms of simple
> drawing to the screen, but as far as I'm concerned, 3D is a non-possibility;
> XFree86 doesn't yet support 3D operations with the Mach64 chipset. Any
> suggestions? Any idea when it'll be supported?
>
> Richard
Ai laddy, the're's ya problem, a shit-house graphics card :( grab a
cheap TNT 2 card, and watch the penguin fly :)
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: 7 May 2001 07:33:14 -0500
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:KroI6.690$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3af18a90$0$37250$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9cp41d$ku7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:zySH6.6169$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:9cf54s$r2p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:51CG6.1636$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3ae8f1ec$0$21761$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well - the only claims for stability I make of W2K are simple:
> > > > > > > I have these W2K machines - they have never crashed. They stay
up
> > as
> > > > > long
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > I leave them running. I don't know how better to claim uptime
> > than:
> > > > they
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > always up. Whatever the history of other previous products
might
> > > be -
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > product I use today is reliable and stable. I know this
because I
> > > use
> > > > it
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > it is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And what, exactly do we do with our W2K boxes?
> > > > >
> > > > > Keep using them? XP is a big upgrade for desktop/workstations, not
so
> > > for
> > > > > servers.
> > > >
> > > > Just from the commercial side of things, I don't see XP taking off
for
> > > quite
> > > > a while. So many of these shops have just now upgraded to W2K. I
think
> > MS
> > > > would have been better served to have given W2K a miss and just
waited
> > > until
> > > > XP was done. The whole thing is more than a little strange when you
> > > consider
> > > > their past marketing efforts. It just doesn't make sense.
> > >
> > > XP is currently aimed at workstations & desktops, the servers would
come
> > in
> > > about a year afterward, I think
> >
> > Servers are following by 6 months.
>
> I'm sure you know this already, Jan, but for those that don't, the
> WinXP generation of server software is now officially called
> "Windows 2000 [Advanced, Datacenter] Server". And they're aiming for a
> Q1 or Q2 2002 release date whereas WinXP Personal/Professional is slated
> for Oct or so.
Windows 2002 (I'm sure you made a typo above) was reported as the "official"
name but since then it has been said that the name is not finalized yet.
It's still in beta so these sorts of changes are normal.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux disgusts me
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 00:35:39 -0700
> <Gasp> Do you mean to tell me that there is an Internet "outside" the US?
>
> (I've had several job inquiries from companies by e-mail, asking whether I
> would consider moving to Minneapolis or some other place. Pretty funny then
> to tell them what the ".dk" in my mailaddress means.)
>
> Mikkel
Not to mention we have this box with moving pictures and sounds.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 07:43:05 -0500
"Austin Ziegler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
On Mon, 7 May 2001, T. Max Devlin wrote:
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 6 May 2001 15:32:49
>> Maxie:
> [...]
>>>And what is then is "the API itself", but a description of the API?
>> Thatīs like saying a paperback of "The Great Gatsby" is a description
>> of "The Great Gatsby". It makes no sense.
> I don't see why. It seems to me that a copy of "The Great Gatsby" would
> be a rather ideal and precise description of "The Great Gatsby". Now
> ask yourself "is it a description of the intellectual property?"
> If you think that, then you're more deluded than I thought. A copy of
> "The Great Gatsby" is a copy of "The Great Gatsby", not a description
> of same. A description is one level removed from the thing itself and
> is "about" the thing.
Yep -- did you hear that Cliff of Cliff's notes died? Anyway, to clarify,
a description would be SOMETHING like Cliff's notes (actually, Cliff's
notes would be more than a 'description' but the concept applies.)
John
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:39:57 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>
> > > I don't think so, I think that it's better to know *how* it's done,
and
> > > except assembler, C is the best way to learn how it's done, and then
move
> > to
> > > the restrictions of Pascal.
> > > And I'm talking as someone who did Pascal first.
> >
> > While I'll agree with the earlier assessment that you can do anything in
> > PASCAL you can in C (Especially using Borland's implementation which I
have
> > since v3.0), you'll miss out on key points of C/C++ if you stick to that
> > mindset. Dealing with templates and smart-pointers can be rather
difficult
> > if you're thinking PASCAL - Particularly when you get into OLE VARIANT
> > types. Data can be far more abstracted than PASCAL will allow and your
> > clients need not know or care what's being tossed at them. This sort of
> > thing seemed anethma to me when I started out and I had to fight to make
> > sense of it. You see the beauty of it eventually, but, strong-type
thinking
> > will slow the process.
>
> Any version of PASCAL which is commercially useful is non-standard.
PASCAL, in any of its' incarnations, can hobble someone trying to use some
of the trickier aspects of C++. Data types, particularly under COM, are
abstract and require a far different approach than any Wirth language's
strong-typing. Whether that's good or bad, is a matter of opinion, I guess.
Writing code libraries to be distributed and used among platforms as
different as C/C++, VB, Java, and ASP kind of demands that level of
abstraction.
Strong typing is going the way of hair bands, glam rock, and VD that
responded to penecillin (God, those were the days <g>).
Anyway, standard PASCAL is useless for anything more than teaching Modular
Programming techniques. Borland really spiced it up and made it viable for
serious use, though. I used it religiously in my DOS days. I only went back
to C when Windows became inevitable. Borland's PASCAL offerings for that
platform really didn't cut it for me and C was a much better choice for
Windows 3/3.11 message based programming (Especially with a good case
generator).
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 00:42:07 -0700
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Pancho Villa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> > >
> > COM is obviously a smoke-screen for combining that
> > > with CORBA-like functionality, as part of Bill Gates' "everybody will
> > > have to pay me money" campaign.
> > >
> > The fact of the matter is that COM and DCOM were MS ripoffs of IBM's
> > SOM and DSOM. OLE is simply bloated, buggy, 2nd-rate technology. To
> > this day, SOM and DSOM kick COM and DCOM's butt! Tragically, along
> > with IBM's OpenDoc, another fantastic technology, SOM and DSOM have
> > been pretty much destroyed by a criminal monopoly, and we are all
> > suffering. :(
>
> It's so amusing to watch people go to all lengths to ensure that Microsoft
> never gets any credit for anything.
>
> -c
Ok, I'll be honest, Microsoft Encarta, although not an original idea as
such, was a great product, however, personally, I prefer to goto the
library, read books, and meet people. I know, people, probably a scary
concept for some nerds out there.
Another product that comes to mind that I did like was AmigaBASIC, which
was written by Microsoft, which was quite a good programming tool.
Mind you, all this was before the years of shit, which followed the
launch of Windows 95.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: 7 May 2001 07:44:14 -0500
"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9ctn5h$vgk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Jon Johansan wrote in message <3af18b76$0$37328$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >
> >"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:zySH6.6169$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> Just from the commercial side of things, I don't see XP taking off for
> >quite
> >> a while. So many of these shops have just now upgraded to W2K. I think
MS
> >> would have been better served to have given W2K a miss and just waited
> >until
> >> XP was done. The whole thing is more than a little strange when you
> >consider
> >> their past marketing efforts. It just doesn't make sense.
> >
> >Imagine this:
> >XP is the achievement of a single code base. One set of drivers, you do
not
> >need to maintaine different drivers for W9x and ME and W2K. There is only
> >one set of updates. Only one GUI to learn. One way to do things. It's the
> >termination of a KNOWN ugly line of code. It's the end of ANYTHING
remotely
> >to do with DOS (other than emulation for backwards compatibility).
> >
>
> It is amazing how you can view "doing it right for once" as such a big
deal.
> Dropping DOS and moving to a single code base is without doubt a big step
> forward for MS, but you make it sound like they have just invented sliced
> bread - they should have taken this step 10 years ago when the 386 became
> popular. There is nothing magical or dramatic about dropping DOS - no
other
> OS has been hobbled by such legacy.
AHHHh you said it right there in that last sentence.
Ask the japanese market why it doesn't own us. They come out with a new OS
every other month. They introduce new hardware completely incompatible with
the previous hardware quartly. They just do whatever is new and cool
whenever it's available. yep - all the latest funnest toys for them - and
backward compatibility be damned. ... hmmm... and we've never felt a single
tiny itch of competition from them when usually the Japs take an american
idea, improve and repackage it and beat us at our own game.
Wanna take a guess why Windows is so popular? Backwards compability (I know,
not 100% so don't quibble on that point) is the thing. A guy with a copy of
Windows 95 and software from 5 years ago will mostly likely still be able to
run his stuff when he upgrades to WinXP. Hardware from 95 will still most
likely run in a machine purchased in 2002 (still plenty of motherboards with
ISA slots if that's the hang up).
Now - sure, MS could do what you propose. Come out with Windows -3112 "The
Antiupgrade" and have it rewritten from the ground up by european teens on X
supporting only the very latest popular standards and just ignoring
everything that is "uncool" in the scene at that minute and just ignore the
VAST installed userbase and blow off every single manufacturer and ISV and
force them to grok some new undocumented (documentation is uncool and boring
to true hackerz) APIs...
<sarcasm>yea, great idea!</sarcasm>
>Basically, all they are doing is taking
> a working non-DOS OS (NT 5.0, aka. W2K) and making it better for games so
> that home users will want it too. In fact, given that (as far as I
> understand it), W2K is fine for games and other home uses, it is more a
> marketting change than anything else - MS could easily have marketted W2K
> for home use.
W2K needs an upgrade as does any OS one year old. So, WinXP is an upgrade.
MORE importantly, MS no longer will need to split it's resources between the
old and the new. AND even more importantly all the software writers out
there will rejoice. There is only one version of the Windows API to program
for. There is only need for one version of any given application. This is a
good thing for everyone.
>
> >XP is a godsend for tech support. No longer having to ask: what version
of
> >windows are you running? and then having to fork your knowledgebase and
> >script based on that.
>
> What's the weather like on your planet? Perhaps companies with one
computer
> will upgrade all at once, but for everyone else, there will be a mixture
of
> versions as always. Newer versions come in at the top, older ones go out
at
> the bottom, but the release of XP does not change anything there. It may
> mean that eventually tech support will only have to ask which version of
XP
> people are running.
Obviously not everyone will upgrade at once but this feature alone is one
that might propel those that have been waiting even to do a W2K upgrade to
consider going right to XP. Remote desktop take-over is even more
compelling.
>
> >
> >I don't see XP as a wait for it or think about it upgrade, I see XP as a
> >must have upgrade. Give me a shop running W2K servers and W2K/XP desktops
> >and I'll show you one that has cut tech support by half just from
> >eliminating support for old crap.
> >
>
>
> Don't forget that XP is not yet ready - the "old crap" is MS's current OS.
True (old crap <= WinME) - but it's coming...
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:45:35 +0100
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> License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire
> whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it.
I think you're getting confused about the definition of the word `work'
in the license (hell, it's pretty confusing). The whole of solaris is not
a work based on GCC in any way, so GCC can be GPL'd without having to to
GPL the solaris kernel.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:45:11 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>
> > > I was hoping someday that the official linux mascot would be the
> > > Seagull.
> > > Visualize this: BG running hard for cover as a flock of Seagulls go
on
> > > a straffing run!
> >
> > The avian mammals or the 80's new wave group with the funny hair?
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> You mean: "The aqautic avians or the 80's new wave gropu with the funny
hair?
>
> answer: yes
Aquatic or no, they're still mammals...
At any rate, birds lobbing dung at BG would be a bit less jarring than
seeing that pale guy with the 57 Chevy hairstyle doing the same.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 7 May 2001 12:38:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Glenn C. Everhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> DECnet has been an open protocol from its inception; specs were
> published and the idea behind it was to provide an open, peer to
> peer, network as an alternative to SNA. That there was no free
> reference implementation is unfortunate but does not make the
> protocol proprietary.
Did anyone but DEC have input to the protocol design? Was there any kind
of public feedback mechanism guiding it? Or was it DEC's ball all the way?
--
`-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
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Disclaimer: WWFD?
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From: "Mikkel Elmholdt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cold feet or Reality Check?
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:52:51 +0200
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:UCvJ6.7172$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20010505/tc/microsoft_shelves_office_xp_subs
> cription_plan_1.html
>
> You be the judge...
Naaaaa ... as far as I can see, there's no talk about removing the "feature"
about having to register your copy of XP over the Internet (that would have
been nice). This subscription stuff is IMO a minor thing, compared to that.
Some Open Source companies. like Red Hat (i.e. Red Hat Network), are also
doing something along the same lines (or talking about doing it).
Much more "interesting" is the apparent plan to refuse Office 95 owners an
upgrade. (Take that, you cheap SOBs ...)
Mikkel
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