Linux-Advocacy Digest #290, Volume #29 Sun, 24 Sep 00 16:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Insight ("Martigan")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? (David M.
Butler)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("Joe R.")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("Joe R.")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("Joe R.")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("Joe R.")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Joe R.")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Tymmm, wee orl mizs ewe! (Jacques Guy)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Jacques Guy)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Matthias
Warkus)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Matthias
Warkus)
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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:44:27 GMT
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:37:17 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(C Lund) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > I wasn't talking about "welfare slobs", I was talking about the
>working poor.
>>
>> The only "working poor" are those who either
>> A) refuse to work enough
>> B) refuse to do work that pays well.
>> C) Spend all of their money on stupid shit like new cars they can't
>> afford, dumb-ass gold jewelry, etc.
>
>D) Just can't find a job that pays enough.
so move, stick out your thumb and go somewhere with more bountyful
employment.
Ever here of the US military?? Education,health benifits, learn
alittle discipline and self respect.
>
>> > And sometimes "ME" is not enough. Sometimes you fail for no fault of your
>> > own.
>> I've failed many times. Big fucking deal.
>
>So how did you get back up?
I Image he did it with hard work and sacrifice.
>
>> Being broke is a momentary condition
>> Poverty is a way of life.
>
>A way of life few if any choose.
Life is al about choices. it is a series of one after another . he is
absolutly correct.
>
>> Any body who is "in poverty" is there because they CHOOSE TO LIVE
>> that lifestyle.
>
>Bullshit. Pure self-centered bullshit.
no it is very true
>
>> > You don't need to be doing drugs/booze/hookers/whatever to be among hte
>> > working ´poor. All it takes is having a job that pays very little. If
>> ...you forgot *AND* making sure that you never work full time.
>
>The working poor *do* work full time. That's why they're called "working poor".
>
>> > you're trying to raise a kid or two, then you're even worse off.
>> TOUGH SHIT! IF you can't afford kids, don't have them.
>
>Get real. The urge to procreate is *the* strongest urge in every single
>speices on the face of the earth. And you want people to ignore it so they
>can fit into your little world?
>
>> If you do...then do the right thing and put them up for adoption.
>
>How is *that* the right thing? That's about the worst thing you can do to
>a newborn child. Jeez...
>
>> > Your "they're poor because they deserve to be poor" attitude is what's out
>> > of touch with reality.
>> Being broke is a passing inconvenience.
>> POVERTY IS A WAY OF LIFE.
>
>It ain't true just because you type it in all caps.
>
>> In this country, anybody who was poor 3 years ago, and is still poor
>> today
>> is in such a situation for no reason other than their own poor
>> decisions.
>> If you're really that desperate, go get a second job.
>
>Many of the working poor have two jobs.
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From: "Martigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Insight
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:47:36 GMT
My first computer was an Atari 800xl, then a C=64, then an A500, A2000. In
1999 I bought my first PC with Win 98.
I'll tell you this, I have LINUX on my computer, the only thing that
keeps me going is the fact that I knew DOS and Amiga OS! So it is not as
bad for me. I wish I had the time to relearn everything but I don't. From
what I have seen LINUX is a great OS, for people who are not afraid to go
further into the night. But face it Win98 is the best thing for people who
can't even program a VCR!
LINUX is good, Win98 is good, and Amiga OE is good. It all depends on
what you want to use it for.
For a server, I would choose LINUX no question, for general business
stuff Windows, and for future gaming and graphics Amiga OE.
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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:50:35 GMT
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:20:55 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(C Lund) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > D) Just can't find a job that pays enough.
>> Haven't checked the want-ads any time in the last 20 years, have ya...
>
>Not everybody gets to be a brain surgeon, you know.
No doubt a victim ??
>
>> > > I've failed many times. Big fucking deal.
>> > So how did you get back up?
>
>I repeat: How did you get back up?
>
>> > > Being broke is a momentary condition
>> > > Poverty is a way of life.
>> > A way of life few if any choose.
>> Yes, the dooooooooo choose it. They choose to NOT do what it
>> takes to not be a poverty-stricken loser. They choose NOT to
>> pay attention in school.
>
>Some make that choise, and I have little pity for them. Others do poorly
>in school because their teachers hate them, or because they're afraid to
>go to school, and some do well in school and still end up among the
>working poor.
>
teachers hate them ?? More whining victims.
>> They choose NOT to get work in any number
>> of low-skill high-paying jobs (admittedly, the work SUCKS, but,
>> that's precisely why the pay is so high).
>
>Or maybe the low-skill high-paying jobs are all taken. Hmm.. I hear all
>you need to become a plumber in the US is put up a sign on your door
>saying "plumber". Is that true?
Everywhere I go I see help wanted signs. this is bullshit excuse, the
jobs are there. they just have to get off their lazy asses and find
them.
>
>> > > Any body who is "in poverty" is there because they CHOOSE TO LIVE
>> > > that lifestyle.
>> > Bullshit. Pure self-centered bullshit.
>> Name ONE adult who is in poverty who would still be there no matter
>> what choices and actions they made in their life.
>> Almost all of those in poverty are those who CHOSE to not apply
>> themselves in school.
>
>All it takes is a teacher who doesn't like you and gives you poor grades
>no matter what you do. Anddon't tell me that doesn't happen. And good
>grades in school is not a garantee for a wellpaid job later in life.
O.k. defeat your own argument for me in your reply....
>
>> > The working poor *do* work full time. That's why they're called "working
>> > poor".
>> What part of "living beyond one's means" do you not understand?
>
>What part of "underpaid" do you not understand?
>
>> > Get real. The urge to procreate is *the* strongest urge in every single
>> > speices on the face of the earth. And you want people to ignore it so they
>> > can fit into your little world?
>> Hey, the same liberals who complain about the plight of "the poor"
>> are the same ones who fought for and won the right to unrestricted
>> abortion.
>
>> So...if you can't afford to have a kid...
>> sit down, shut up and get an abortion.
>
>Climb down from your ivory tower.
>
>> > > If you do...then do the right thing and put them up for adoption.
>> >
>> > How is *that* the right thing? That's about the worst thing you can do to
>> > a newborn child. Jeez...
>
>> Oh, really.
>
>> Taking the child out of a cockroach- and rat-infested shithole, to
>> be raised in the household of a married couple who actually have
>> a clue about how to successfully function in life, and, more
>> importantly, pay the bills, keep food on the table, and keep the
>> house and food-supply free of insects and rodents,.....you say
>> that this is the "worst thing you can do to a newborn child"???
>>
>> How about leaving it in the custody of a drunken crackwhore who
>> "forgets" to feed the kid because she's too busy gettin' spacey.
>
>I wasn't talking about drunken crackwhores. I was talking about the
>working poor.
You are losing the argument....
>
>> > Many of the working poor have two jobs.
>> What part of "living beyond one's means" do you not understand
>
>What part of "underpaid" do you not understand?
So get another job....work harder get a raise...take on more
responsibility..get a raise...
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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:58:30 GMT
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:29:51 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:39:37 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] () in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> [...]
>>> Living well should never need to imply "beyond one's means".
>> [...]
>>
>>Just in case it was lost in the rhetoric; wise words.
>>
>>>>> > Many of the working poor have two jobs.
>>>>> What part of "living beyond one's means" do you not understand
>>>>
>>>>What part of "underpaid" do you not understand?
>>>
>>> It's time for Mr. "living beyond one's means" to back up
>>> those generalities with data. It might be intriguing to
>>> see what this person thinks the 'lower classes' should be
>>> willing to put up with.
>>
>>Whatever he did, I presume, as his entire position seems to be based on
>>the fact that he, as a putatively capable healthy young white male, was
>>once 'poor', and managed to pull himself up by his own bootstraps. It
>>would be interesting to see his reaction to some real numbers.
What does the color of his skin have to do with it. Time for the
liberals to play the race card now is it....
>
> To me he sounds more like a spoiled WASP suburbanite born with
> a silver spoon in his mouth. If he is genuinely aware of the
> burdens placed on the children of the lower classes, I would
> expect him to be a bit more sympathetic to those that are
> coming after him.
>
BAAM!!! there it is the race card is out. you liberals are always
ready to use it...You say you want equality yet your actions speak
volumes.....
> To me, throwing people to the wolves is not useful even from a
> selfish viewpoint. People don't suddenly dissapear because you
> don't have to deal with them directly anymore. I view effective
> social welfar as a way of LOWERING my tax hit while ensuring
> that my nation will remain worth residing in as I creep towards
> retirement. A nation of peons thrown to the wolves does not
> benefit me. A nation educated well enough to take advantage of
> emerging opportunities does.
>
> Also, it's cheaper to clean up the poo sooner rather than later.
>
> It is cheaper per year to send a man to college than it is to
> imprison him.
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From: David M. Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time?
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:07:15 -0400
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> Some of the graphics tools leave a lot to be desired. They all do
> different things, with different styles and menus. I seem to need to use
> multiple applications to do what I do on Windows with two.
Quite true... I definately have more luck with graphics apps in Windows.
I tried a demo for some big commercial graphics package in Linux, but it
never quite worked. It's just a hobby for me, else I would have remembered
to include it along with my lack-of-games comment.
D. Butler
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From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:12:15 GMT
In article <39cd80be$3$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 09/23/2000 at 05:47 PM,
> Timberwoof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>
> > On the other hand, the Macintosh platform is well supported with
> > software by such industry leaders as Adobe, Macromedia, and Microsoft
> > itself. Far from being so "proprietary," they adhere to all sorts of
> > hardware and software standards. Apple is a leading force in creating
> > some of these standards. And because of the Macintosh's excellent
> > support for networking, Apple product users are well-connected.
>
> Well, I had occasion to visit CompUSA earlier this afternoon. Just for
> fun, I counted the software titles for Intel and Mac platform. There were
> 498 different titles for Intel platform machines. For Mac, 44 of which 36
> were games.
>
> This proves that Macs are not well supported other than for games.
>
ROTFLMAO.
I thought Macs didn't have any games?
BTW, did you look at all those "Intel platform" boxes to see how many of
them are hybrid versions? For example, the vast majority of educational
software is dual-platform.
Oh, you might want to try the "Store within a store". You know, where
they sell Mac stuff? I've only been in 10 or 12 CompUSA SWIAS's, but
every one had FAR MORE than 8 non-game Mac software packages.
--
Regards,
Joe R.
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From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:14:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Wenham
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>> "Bob" == Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Well, I had occasion to visit CompUSA earlier this afternoon. Just
> > for
> > fun, I counted the software titles for Intel and Mac platform.
> > There were
> > 498 different titles for Intel platform machines. For Mac, 44 of
> > which 36
> > were games.
>
> > This proves that Macs are not well supported other than for games.
>
> Actually it proves that CompUSA carries mostly games for the Mac.
>
>
> You don't seem to know the difference between proof and observation.
It wasn't even an accurate observation.
He probably forgot to check the Store Within a Store -- where Mac stuff
is sold.
And I'm SURE he didn't count hybrid software which has both Mac and PC
versions on the same CD. The educational section is just full of hybrid
stuff.
--
Regards,
Joe R.
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From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:16:19 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:21:42 GMT, "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >In article
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:26:04 +0100,
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article
> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> > dc wrote:
> >> >>On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:47:11 GMT, Timberwoof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>some of these standards. And because of the Macintosh's excellent
> >> >>>support for networking, Apple product users are well-connected.
> >> >>
> >> >>This I don't quite understand. Not from a 1990's AppleTalk
> >> >>perspective, but from a September 2000 perspective, how are Apple
> >> >>product users "well-connected" compared to the rest of computerdom
> >> >>(meaning, NT and ME)?
> >> >
> >> >I'm having trouble with the phrase 'rest of computerdom' which I
> >> >assumed
> >> >would mean what people actually use, not NT and ME.
> >>
> >> For better or worse, that is what most people actually use.
> >
> >Most people use NT and ME?
> >
> >You're out of your mind (what little apparently remains).
>
> Or a derivative of one of those OSs, yes, Joe, that _is_ what most
> people use.
No, they don't. "Derivative" means later work derived from the earlier
one.
There _are_ no commercial derivative works of WinME. Win2K _is_ a
derivative of WinNT, but even if you add in Win2K, WinNT, and WinME,
you're STILL wrong.
--
Regards,
Joe R.
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From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:17:39 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Joe R.
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:21:42 GMT
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >In article
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:26:04 +0100,
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article
> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> > dc wrote:
> >> >>On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:47:11 GMT, Timberwoof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>some of these standards. And because of the Macintosh's excellent
> >> >>>support for networking, Apple product users are well-connected.
> >> >>
> >> >>This I don't quite understand. Not from a 1990's AppleTalk
> >> >>perspective, but from a September 2000 perspective, how are Apple
> >> >>product users "well-connected" compared to the rest of computerdom
> >> >>(meaning, NT and ME)?
> >> >
> >> >I'm having trouble with the phrase 'rest of computerdom' which I
> >> >assumed
> >> >would mean what people actually use, not NT and ME.
> >>
> >> For better or worse, that is what most people actually use.
> >
> >Most people use NT and ME?
> >
> >You're out of your mind (what little apparently remains).
>
> I dunno; 100 million units is awful hard to argue with.
> Or is it 200M now? I'd have to look. (Mind you, that encompasses
> Win 3.1 all the way to Win2k --
So "most people use WinNT and ME" really means "most people use some
version of Windows between Win3.1 and Win2K"??
It would be a lot easier of you windiots said what you meant instead of
making stupid incorrect statements, then criticizing people for
correcting you.
--
Regards,
Joe R.
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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:19:12 GMT
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:42:14 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> [...]
>>Because it's THEIR money to do with as they please.
>
>Not once they're dead, its not.
>
>>I'm not against handouts, I'm against government pickpockets
>>using me as the financial basis for their handouts.
>
>So go start your own country, or at least get some meaningful rhetoric.
>I'd suggest running for the school board, but you're obviously
>incompetent for such an important task. Maybe you should go for the
>state legislature, or maybe Congress.
>
>>Why is it that every time a liberal wants to do good, it always
>>depends on stealing money from me....
>
>Because it isn't your money, Aaron. It isn't your society, it isn't
>your life. They were given to you. We don't know from where or why,
>really, but life is a gift, it is not 'earned'. And if it comes down to
>your money, or society, or someone else's life, then your money loses,
>no doubt about it.
Go live in a socialist country you socialist!!!!!
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From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:22:10 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, STATIC66
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:33:20 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >Which is my right as an American citizen.
> >
> >Hint fucking hint: EVERYBODY is free to pursue happiness by whatever
> >non-criminal means which they choose. There is no guarantee of
> >happiness,
> >merely the right to ****PURSUE**** it.
> >
> >Is any of this getting through to you, namby-pampy socialist?
> >
> >
> >You ask, "well, who's gonna do something for the poor?"
> >
> >Fuck that.... let them do something for themselves for once in their
> >life.
> >
> >I've been flat broke before....on a couple of occassions, in fact.
> >I've never taken a dime of government aid, and never will.
> >
> >Why? Because I don't believe in stealing from my neighbors
> >just because I can't afford steak that month.
> >
>
> Amen Brother!!, sometimes you have to scream at these thieving
> socialists!!!!
> >
> You are 100% right.
Until STATIC66 responded to Aaron, I assumed it was just a new alias
because so many people had killfiled him.
Of course, maybe it still is...
--
Regards,
Joe R.
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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:22:55 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:53:20 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david
raoul derbes) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Forrest Gehrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>david raoul derbes wrote:
>>
>>> And yet, I think that we need the inheritance tax. Those who think the
>>> inheritance tax is some sort of wicked thing should perhaps read
>>> Thomas Jefferson and James Madison on the subject.
>>>
>>> David Derbes [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>
>>At the top tax rate of 55% which is applied very quickly at the level
>>of an Iowa family farm valuation , or an average small business
>>this is confiscation. I doubt Jefferson or Madison can be found to
>>back you up--particularly Jefferson who believed
>>in a non-industrial agrarian America. Your own example is proof
>>of this confiscatory tax rate.
>
>Hi, Forrest.
>
>What I meant is that both Jefferson and Madison were concerned about
>America growing its own aristocracy in the form of inherited wealth.
>Certainly you're right that Jefferson wanted America to stay a land
>of farmers. I'd like that, too; the family farmers in Arkansas, at
>any rate, are an endangered species. (We get another drought next
>year, there will be extremely unpleasant consequences for most of
>us who eat. That would make it four bad years in a row. Shades
>of Joseph!)
>
>Notwithstanding the very large tax bill, my mom was able to pay it
>off.
>
>Please don't think I like paying taxes. I do, however, see them as
>a necessary evil. And better my family pays the inheritance tax
>which we can afford, than somebody else goes without a meal, a
>roof, a doctor, or we all go without an army, highways, air
>traffic controllers, the FDA, etc etc.
we would do well to lose the fda.....
>
>For us, the farm is not our main business (though it certainly is
>for the brave, strong men who till the land, to whom we'd like to
>sell the farm.) Most people recognize that small businessmen and
>family farmers are unfairly treated by the current tax laws, and
>I think that whoever is elected, some sort of tax relief for these
>folk will be coming. Well, I can hope.
>
>David Derbes [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>>//
>> Forrest Gehrke
>>
>
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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:26:47 GMT
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:53:47 GMT, Ted Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> One way is the method Ted Kennedy uses: the blind trust. Another way to
>> reduce
>> your taxes is charitable contributions. If someone wants to argue that Bill
>> Gates should have given 22 billion dollars to the Government rather than a
>> charitable trust that actually gets results they should take the argument
>> elswhere. These same news sources repeat the Democrat's mantra that getting
>> rid of inheritance taxes is "a tax break for the rich". I'm sure that the
>> family farms that are unable to break even because the people running them
>> inherited a huge tax bill that they will spend their lives trying to pay off will
>> disagree. The fact is both sides are full of it. You want real progress and change
>> vote Libertarian. One other thing, if you want to see what American government
>> run health care looks like, visit a VA hospital.
>>
>> david raoul derbes wrote:
>
>I feel compelled to jump in (due to the title of this thread) and point out:
>
>During his acceptance speech Al Gore specifially mentioned that inheritance
>taxes needed to be adjusted so that someone could pass on "the family farm
>or a small business" w/o such a huge tax burden.
>
>So this is not "the Democrat's mantra" as least as it applies to Al Gore.
Bill Clinton also said all throughout his campain, that we needed to
ease the tax burden of the middle class, and that he would cut taxes
to the middle class.
I believe it was his second or third month as president when he RAISED
taxes for the middle class...
So it really doesn't supprise me that Al would learn from his buddy
how to win over voters with empty promises...
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:41:51 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tymmm, wee orl mizs ewe!
And especially your spelling checker.
But, honestly, isn't this NG a bit dull
without good old Tim Palmer's attempts
at fixing English spelling? I also
miss Drestin Black peddling his ladylove's
twat-and-twerp. Like Tim would say:
"Lie-nux sucks while Windows drools"
(sorry, Drestin, I claim copyright on
this one, you can't use it. Matter of
fact, I am signing off to drive to the
copyright-registration shop next door.
You know, the one where you registered all the
software you wrote?)
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:47:50 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
[who cares]
Eat shit, asshole.
(Remember your very first posts? At least I have
the courtesy to use your original spelling. In my
English, it's "arsehole")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:46:25 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[schnibble]
There's a place in the world for the angry young man
With his working-class ties and his radical plans
...
SCNR
mawa
--
Q: What's white and if it fell out of a tree could kill you ?
A: A fridge.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:50:33 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:51:37 GMT...
...and STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I don't know how inheritance tax is implemented in the US, but to me it
> >seems unlikely that a family farm would be bothered with it. Where I
> >live inheritance tax starts way above the level where it could trouble
> >farmers.
>
> So to hell with the other families that earned their wealth?? their
> future generations count less?? we are entitled to their money
> because...
Property is not some kind of God-given right. Like all your other
rights, it is a limited right granted to you by the constitution of
the state.
mawa
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