Linux-Advocacy Digest #623, Volume #29 Thu, 12 Oct 00 22:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Legal issues - Re: Linux DVD player! (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-) ("Drestin Black")
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) (Marty)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Shane Phelps)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Shane Phelps)
Re: The Power of the Future! (Mike Byrns)
Re: Linux Out perfoms Windows ("Drestin Black")
Re: Linux Out perfoms Windows ("Drestin Black")
Re: Hotmail has been down for at least 12 hours on the East Coast ("Drestin Black")
I think Loki really screwed the guy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Wow, someone sure hates Loki Games... (Jim Broughton)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Does anybody offer free Linux access?~! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Legal issues - Re: Linux DVD player!
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:40:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This isn't to different from how Microsoft is trying to control
> streamed media content on the internet. Basically, the trick is that
> they have patented (yes, really) the .ASF file format, thus
> prohibiting anyone else from writing converters.
It sounds like Judge Jackson needs to lift the stay of execution on
the "behavioral remedies" portion of his judgement immediately.
Microsoft isn't taking any chances.
Keep in mind that there are public standards (MPEG1-MPEG4) already
available that do not infringe on anyone's patents. There's also
MPEG-7 and MPEG-21 (see http://www.cselt.it/mpeg/ )
> Then, when only the official MS tools are legal, they remove the
> ability to convert *from* ASF to anything open, while retaining (of
> course) conversion *to*.
This of course will make it possible for Bill Gates to do what
Thomas Edison was unable to do. He will be able to collect a huge
royalty for every motion picture, television program, video disk,
or digital recording produced, regardless of origin and destination.
And of course, eventually, he will take over a third rate
studio/producer and blow the other competitors out of the market.
It's WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, and Borland Sidekick all over again,
but this time it's DVD, Digital Cable, and Digital recordings.
Gates is trying to create another monopoly, and **as usual** it's
OPEN SOURCE and OPEN SYSTEMS that's standing in his way.
> See e.g.
> http://www.advogato.com/article/101.html
> for further details.
It's a very interesting article.
> -kzm
> --
> If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of
giants
>
--
Rex Ballard - I/T Architect, MIS Director
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 50 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 5%/month! (recalibrated 8/2/00)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-)
Date: 12 Oct 2000 19:52:08 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin Black wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > No wonder you absolutely fucking REFUSE to reveal your name.
> >
> > Poor baby.
>
> Any man who believes in his opinions should have no problem posting
> under his real name.
>
> The fact that you don't reveals that you know that you're posting
> bullshit, and are scared shitless that any company in Detroit would
> ever find out your real name....isn't it.
Want some cheeze with that whine?
> http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
ps, I went there but stripped off your referrer
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:50:36 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Marty writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> David T. Johnson wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marty wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [repetitive comments snipped]
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry David, you lose.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop being a hypocrite and grow up.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Practice what you preach, Marty.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't the one preaching about off-topic posting while writing such
> >>>>>>>>>>> postings.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> You were the one preaching about "stop being a hypocrite and grow up",
> >>>>>>>>>> Marty.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Very good, Dave.
>
> >>>>>>>> So why did you bring up "off-topic posting", Marty?
>
> >>>>>>> Just staying on topic. Look at the thread topic.
>
> >>>>>> I'm looking at what you wrote, Marty.
>
> >>>>> Of what relevance is this self-evident remark?
>
> >>>> It shows that you brought up "off-topic posting", Marty,
>
> >>> Irrelevant, as doing so was an act of staying on topic.
>
> >> Exactly how does that statement represent an act of staying on topic,
>
> > See the subject line.
>
> See what I was talking about, Marty, which deals directly with what
> you were talking about.
On what basis do you make this claim?
> >> when the topic was about you practicing what you were preaching with
> >> regard to "Stop being a hypocrite and grow up", Marty?
>
> > Incorrect. See the subject line.
>
> See what you wrote, Marty:
>
> MA] Stop being a hypocrite and grow up.
Note the nature of the hypocrisy to which I was referring and how it deals
with the subject line.
> >>>> despite the fact that I was suggesting that you practice what you
> >>>> preach.
>
> >>> You made no such suggestion, Dave.
>
> >> Incorrect:
> >>
> >> DT] Practice what you preach, Marty.
>
> > That's not a suggestion, Dave.
>
> Yes it is, Marty.
Consult your grammar school English teacher to verify that your statement was
an imperative. Suggestions are given in a passive tone.
> >> Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Marty?
>
> > Not at all.
>
> Then why don't you recognize
>
> DT] Practice what you preach, Marty.
>
> as a suggestion?
Because I am correctly identifying it as an imperative.
> >>>> Context, Marty.
>
> >>> Like the thread topic, for example?
>
> >> Are you able to comprehend that?
>
> > Obviously.
>
> Then why don't you recognize
>
> MA] Stop being a hypocrite and grow up.
>
> as the topic?
Because the topic is "Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)".
> >> You certainly didn't comprehend that I wrote:
> >>
> >> DT] Practice what you preach, Marty.
>
> > Incorrect. You simply failed to realize that it was not a suggestion.
>
> How ironic, coming from the person who doesn't recognize it as a
> suggestion.
Where is the irony? I have correctly identified the statement as an
imperative.
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:27:49 +1000
Didn't you read the Compaq snippet you posted, Steve?
The spokesperson was complaining about Linux not being ready for
the enterprise server space yet - 2.2 kernel SMP scalability,
Oracle version (but 8i on Linux looks very much like 8i on Solaris
looks like 8i on HP-UX looks like 8i on DG-UX looks like....).
This is the area where Starfire and VAX clusters typically rule.
There was no mention of the desktop at all.
The geek reference was a geek == hobbyist thing.
The complaint was purely one of scalability!
'Linux is not very useful beyond simple Web, mail, and DNS
services on small Intel-based servers, she says. Linux is "not for
database servers or online transaction processing. The independent
software vendor support [is not there]: Oracle has to do the next
version of its database [for Linux] because the current one is
horrible."'
I think the main Oracle complaint is actually about the toolset.
Linux seems to be a tier-3 platform for Oracle's tools. Win32 is
level 1, the ,ajor Unix platforms are level 2, the amaller
players are level 3.
...and I wouldn't replace my Starfire with a Beowulf cluster yet
either. It may not be that far off, though. It would need a fairly
major rework to gain the benefits of the parallelism.
I think we'd leave the Oracle database on the Starfire though.
Shane
(return to lurk mode)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:32:33 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:01:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >>Stop playing semantics jedi.
> >>
> >>Next you'll be asking "and what IS Linux anyway?"
> >
> > When addressing "who" is "trying" what it is rather relevant.
> >
> > Just who do you percieve trying to represent Linux as being
> > able to go toe to toe with a Starfire or VAX cluster?
>
> Stop changing the subject jedi.
> I made no mention of Starfire or Vax cluster.
> Desktop jedi. Desktop...
>
> > You are merely presenting a false opponent that you can more
> > easily knock down rather than addressing how Linux has already
> > been used in mission critical areas.
>
> Desktop Linux jedi. Stop changing the subject toward server systems. I
> made no mention of that.
>
> >>The kernel?
> >>The distro?
> >>
> >>etc
> >>
> >>You remind me of Otter in Animal House where he is in the student
> >>court defending Delta house against the jock fraternity.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>claire
> >>
> >>
> >>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:48:31 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:33:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>You mean like Linux is trying to do?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What Linux?
> >>>
> >>> Linux Inc?
> >>> Linux Corp?
> >>> Linux Unlimited?
> >>>
> >>> HA is a niche even amongst the larger server market. Otherwise,
> >>> NT would never have been able to go anywhere and DEC would never
> >>> have been bought out by the likes of Compaq.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>claire
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:51:20 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:42:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>>Here is the part of the article I like best:
>
>>>>>>>********************************************************************************
> >>>>>>Meanwhile, Linux backer Compaq Computer is taking the open source
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ...not exactly what I think of when enterprise computing comes
> >>>>> to mind. Although, not being suited for the glass room hardly
> >>>>> keeps other OSes from decending upon the land like a plague of
> >>>>> locusts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>[deletia]
> >>>>
> >>
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:29:55 +1000
Mike Byrns wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
[ snip ]
>
> Oh, Claire. We really need more like you. It's not a boys club!
It is when the Steve personality takes over :-)
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:06:20 GMT
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Mike Byrns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> > >
> > > "Mike Byrns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Drestin Black wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Mike Byrns" <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:5azE5.125728$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > <snip well written reply>
> > > > >
> > > > > > My position exactly!!! Keep it up but realize that to beat the
> > > opponent
> > > > > you
> > > > > > must ARGUE better not only have the best position. Many campaigns
> > > have
> > > > > been
> > > > > > lost by better opponents with lesser debate skills.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for your time and reply Mike. I have taken your comments
> to
> > > heart.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Drestin and I hope ther are no hard feelings. You are
> obviously
> > > just as
> > > > much an experienced professional as I am. Maybe moreso. I just want
> to
> > > make
> > > > sure the Dolly's in the crowd get rebutted. PS how much you wanna bet
> > > s/he's an
> > > > out of work Linux admin?
> > > >
> > >
> > > No hard feelings. I get worked up and come out swinging often. I've been
> in
> > > the trenches for 20 years now and just can't stand those like "Dolly"
> > > either. Lies just burn my botton...
> > >
> > > Linux admins get paid? Thought it was information for free for
> everyone!!
> >
> > Oh, Drestin... :-) 20 years? What'd ya do before Windows? BTW, nice
> > to be on civil ground again.
>
> I worked with IBM's, DECs, Magnuson's, HPs. Got really into it about 89 when
> I did my first contract and thought: "Damn! This sure pays well!" :) FYI: I
> never used Windows prior to 3.1 and even then it was just playing around. In
> fact, I didn't get into Windows 95 much when it first came out, crashed too
> much and was slow. All my work was networking offices using either Novell or
> LANtastic. I was mostly programming in the early 90s. Finally scored big on
> an application I sold to F500 company and opened my own and have been doing
> mostly upgrades and conversions since. About 80% of what I do is replace
> unix or novell networks with NT networks which is why I guess I'm the way I
> am :) MAN, people are SO used to paying huge box for unix boxes and
> UNBELIEVABLE support prices for unix personel that the profits are still
> juicy in this sector. Trying making money on someone who already has NT and
> wants to go to W2K and it's tough - they are already savvy to the fact the
> TCO on NT is so low. Funny, I've never seen a NT to Unix migration, not in 7
> years.
Yah. That about sums it up. I really wish MS would have started out
with Windows 2000. Then there'd be so much less work to do in here :-)
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Out perfoms Windows
Date: 12 Oct 2000 20:22:05 -0500
Interesting... your code uses 100,000 and you state it again at the end so
I'm assuming you didn't mean 1,000,000 in your first sentence.
I wrote the following in QBASIC and ran it in a command prompt window:
Y! = TIMER
FOR X! = 1 TO 100000
PRINT X!
NEXT
PRINT TIMER - Y!
I ran it several times and I get approximately 1.2 seconds every time. If I
put a semicolon at the end of the PRINT line the time is reduced to .375
seconds. This is in a window.
If I boot up to MS-DOS 6.22 in plain jane text mode I get 5 seconds with the
semicolon and just over 62 seconds without the semicolon. I get identical
results running it in C.
My video card is a NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS Ultra 64 Mb (manufacturers reference
board, not overclocked) and a PIII coppermine running at 8x124 Mhz FSB, the
AGP port is running at the standard 3/2 ratio (about 80 Mhz) on an BX
motherboard. I believe the GF emulates the trident chipset when run in text
mode which explains the performance hit.
Did you run your linux tests in text mode or a graphics mode? Which mode for
windows during your tests? Which video card?
db
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8s054h$5jh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> HI,
>
> If you are a c++ programmer, then try this program both on windows and on
> linux and observe the time taken to display 1,00,000 numbers
>
>
> #include <iostream.h>
> main()
> {
> for(int i=0; i<=100000; i++)
> cout << i <<endl;
> return 0;
> }
>
> What I get is 5 seconds on Linux 2.2 and it takes 2.30 minutes to show all
> the
> 100000 numbers.
>
> Yours Truly,
> Rizwaan
>
>
>
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Out perfoms Windows
Date: 12 Oct 2000 20:25:23 -0500
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:A12F5.276$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > So this shows that Windows console scrolling is much slower than Linux
> > console scrolling. It's a fair enough benchmark to test console
> > scrolling, so why do you lot keep bashing him?
>
> Most likely, he's running the program in a windowed console window under
> Windows, rather than a full screen and using a non-windowed (ala Xterm)
> console in Linux.
actually, it's much faster in windows in a graphic window than text mode
full screen (try it yourself)
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hotmail has been down for at least 12 hours on the East Coast
Date: 12 Oct 2000 20:27:15 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Yes.. The site comes up with a generic message about it being down and
> it not being do to my account as well as "All of Hotmail" not being
> down, only the part I need, my mail. A lawyer must have written that
> page.
> It came back up last night though.
>
I say you are wrong.
Pull the file from your cache and post it to prove it...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I think Loki really screwed the guy
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:15:59 GMT
I don't think what you wrote is right. I went to the site and read the
article and comments from the link and it looks like a well reasoned, if
somewhat angry, article. Here's what I learned:
Some guy bought several games in one order from Loki. One of those
games was a pre-release. Because of this they held up his order for all
the other products until the pre-release shipped. He complained on their
news server and canceled the order. A Loki rep promised the issue would
be solved in a reply on that thread. He ordered again, breaking it up
into two orders with one containing two pre-release titles, and the
other a bunch of other games. One of the two pre-release titles got
held up because the other title hadn't been released and he was stuck in
the same mess as before. He even offered to pay the extra shipping
charges.
At this point there were some emails which were posted in comments
between him and Loki, where instead of offering him the product he
ordered they offered some subscription service. He got pissed and told
them to bugger off. A month after that he posted this rant.
I think the most damaging thing against Loki in the whole discussion
was some Loki representative basically calling him a liar, and then not
backing their claim up. This is what those posted emails were about.
Most companies would find a way to solve the problem and fend off a PR
nightmare rather than piss off a customer. But to call the guy a liar in
public rather than dealing with it directly? This looks very weird and
damaging to Lokis credibility. The whole thing is just stupid on their
part. Some of this is probably miscommunication, but some of it also
looks plain wrong on Loki's part.
I don't play games in Linux, but I use it and like it. I'll think
twice about Loki... not so much because of this story, but because of
that Loki person wrote and other comments below. If any company held up
an order like this to me I'd tell them to go screw too. Linux is all
nice and good, but I don't deal with businesses that treat me don't
deliver product and don't provide customer service. Linux supporters or
not.
Also, the guy knows how to write. He really slammed Loki hard, and
apparantly with hard facts.
Douglas Browne
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David M. Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Check out this kuro5hin article on Loki... either this guy got
burned or
> > he's got a major bug up his *ahem*...
>
> I think his *ahem* is indeed, rather clogged with a major bug. Sounds
like
> something got screwed up with a distributor that Loki was working
with, and
> it was more their fault than Loki's... maybe I'm reading wrong, who
knows.
> Needless to say, I can almost guarantee that if I ordered every game
that a
> company sells, I'd feel great if I only had problems with one or two
and if
> it were a distributors mistake, and not the company itself. Also
sounds
> like this guy's being a dumbass, and should have had the patience to
wait
> the extra what, 2 days? Obviously if the problem is that his preorder
was
> not going to be delivered until after the release, he should have
waited
> until it was released (especially after they told him so...) *shrug*
Oh
> well.
>
> D. Butler
>
>
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Before you buy.
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From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Wow, someone sure hates Loki Games...
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:32:03 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Check out this kuro5hin article on Loki... either this guy got burned or
> he's got a major bug up his *ahem*...
>
> http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory&sid=2000/10/11/17627/363
>
> Afterburner... because I burned out *after* you.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
This guy must have PLENTY of brain cells missing.
If you have a problem with an order and cancel it.
DONT PLACE THE SAME ORDER THE SAME WAY AGAIN.
His problem had the simple solution of placing
2 separate orders 1 for the in stock items and
then another for the pre-release order. My momma
didn't raise no fool. I would never put a pre-release
item on an order with in stock stuff. If you ask me
he got what he deserved.
--
Jim Broughton
(The Amiga OS! Now there was an OS)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
Following Air and Water the third most abundant
thing on the planet is Human Stupidity.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:40:05 GMT
They also mentioned how much Oracle sucked under Linux which backs up
my point that Linux versions of Windows applications are somewhat
lacking.
claire
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:27:49 +1000, Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Didn't you read the Compaq snippet you posted, Steve?
>
>The spokesperson was complaining about Linux not being ready for
>the enterprise server space yet - 2.2 kernel SMP scalability,
>Oracle version (but 8i on Linux looks very much like 8i on Solaris
>looks like 8i on HP-UX looks like 8i on DG-UX looks like....).
>
>This is the area where Starfire and VAX clusters typically rule.
>
>There was no mention of the desktop at all.
>The geek reference was a geek == hobbyist thing.
>
>
>The complaint was purely one of scalability!
>'Linux is not very useful beyond simple Web, mail, and DNS
>services on small Intel-based servers, she says. Linux is "not for
>database servers or online transaction processing. The independent
>software vendor support [is not there]: Oracle has to do the next
>version of its database [for Linux] because the current one is
>horrible."'
>I think the main Oracle complaint is actually about the toolset.
>Linux seems to be a tier-3 platform for Oracle's tools. Win32 is
>level 1, the ,ajor Unix platforms are level 2, the amaller
>players are level 3.
>
>...and I wouldn't replace my Starfire with a Beowulf cluster yet
>either. It may not be that far off, though. It would need a fairly
>major rework to gain the benefits of the parallelism.
>I think we'd leave the Oracle database on the Starfire though.
>
>
>Shane
>(return to lurk mode)
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:32:33 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:01:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>Stop playing semantics jedi.
>> >>
>> >>Next you'll be asking "and what IS Linux anyway?"
>> >
>> > When addressing "who" is "trying" what it is rather relevant.
>> >
>> > Just who do you percieve trying to represent Linux as being
>> > able to go toe to toe with a Starfire or VAX cluster?
>>
>> Stop changing the subject jedi.
>> I made no mention of Starfire or Vax cluster.
>> Desktop jedi. Desktop...
>>
>> > You are merely presenting a false opponent that you can more
>> > easily knock down rather than addressing how Linux has already
>> > been used in mission critical areas.
>>
>> Desktop Linux jedi. Stop changing the subject toward server systems. I
>> made no mention of that.
>>
>> >>The kernel?
>> >>The distro?
>> >>
>> >>etc
>> >>
>> >>You remind me of Otter in Animal House where he is in the student
>> >>court defending Delta house against the jock fraternity.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>claire
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:48:31 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:33:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>>>You mean like Linux is trying to do?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> What Linux?
>> >>>
>> >>> Linux Inc?
>> >>> Linux Corp?
>> >>> Linux Unlimited?
>> >>>
>> >>> HA is a niche even amongst the larger server market. Otherwise,
>> >>> NT would never have been able to go anywhere and DEC would never
>> >>> have been bought out by the likes of Compaq.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>claire
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:51:20 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
>> >>>>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:42:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>>>>>Here is the part of the article I like best:
>>
>>>>>>>********************************************************************************
>> >>>>>>Meanwhile, Linux backer Compaq Computer is taking the open source
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ...not exactly what I think of when enterprise computing comes
>> >>>>> to mind. Although, not being suited for the glass room hardly
>> >>>>> keeps other OSes from decending upon the land like a plague of
>> >>>>> locusts.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>[deletia]
>> >>>>
>> >>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:40:38 GMT
If you only knew.
But you don't.
claire
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:29:55 +1000, Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>Mike Byrns wrote:
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>[ snip ]
>>
>> Oh, Claire. We really need more like you. It's not a boys club!
>
>It is when the Steve personality takes over :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Does anybody offer free Linux access?~!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:41:38 GMT
So you need Windows to use a free ISP under Linux?
That makes sense.
claire
On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:25:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I believe most of the free ISP's can be used with Linux. I currently
>have accounts with Freei.net and OneNation.com - both work under Linux.
>Do the following:
>Set up an account under windows, get user id and password
>login and type winipcfg in the RUN box
> - This will give you the DNS server numbers
>Go to the site www.rasspy.gq.nu and download their software
> - This will echo back to you the possibly disguised password.
>Plug in the values in your PPP dial up connector (This also works with
>Windows DUN)
>To get you started the DNS for One Nation is 204.178.185.5
> 204.178.185.105
> the password has an xms as a suffix
>Freei.net has anounced chapter11 recently and although it is working
>well for the moment it can go down any time.
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
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