Linux-Advocacy Digest #763, Volume #29 Fri, 20 Oct 00 15:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Pros and Cons of MS Windows Dominated World? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Does WebEarly exist for Linux? (Damien BRUCKER)
RE: Windows 2000 challenges GNOME/KDE ("Idoia Sainz")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Brian V. Smith)
RE: Why Linux is great. ("Idoia Sainz")
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: who's WHINING dipshit! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
RE: Why Linux is great. ("Idoia Sainz")
Re: Why Linux is great. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (NAVARRO LOPEZ,
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Manuel)
Re: Microsoft kicked off the Web! (The Ghost In The Machine)
RE: Why Linux is great. ("Idoia Sainz")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Garry Knight)
RE: Why Linux is great. ("Idoia Sainz")
RE: Clearing things ("Idoia Sainz")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of MS Windows Dominated World?
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:16:58 GMT
In article <lMZH5.112376$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Microsoft is not a monopoly not matter how stupid some judges are.
[snip]
> But, since over 90% of desktop computers are running a form of Windows
[...]
Make up your mind.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Damien BRUCKER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Does WebEarly exist for Linux?
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:48:10 +0200
Hi
I would like to know if the software WEBEARLY existing under WIN98 has been
translated for Linux and I couls find it if so.
Thank you
Damien
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From: "Idoia Sainz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Windows 2000 challenges GNOME/KDE
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:48:38 GMT
> X itself. In order to get the most out of GNOME, don't you have to
Indeed X is not a single machine logical environment.
> the graphical components of Windows are more monolithic, as opposed to
> X, which has graphical components added layer by layer. Also, X with
> KDE or GNOME seems to have this slightly disjointed "layer-by-layer"
> feel, opposed to Windows, which more or less throws all the graphical
> components comprising its "desktop environment" in one big monolithic
> layer.
Layer over layer slows things.
> desktop environment is loaded layer-by-layer. So it's pretty easy for
> the GNOME/KDE developer to see what's going wrong. It would be like
> "oh, it's the code in such and such a module". Windows 2000 developers,
> OTOH, whould be like "Ahhhhhh! How am I going to pinpoint where the
> error came from in this big monolithic mess???!!!!!!"
I do not agree that GNOME/KDE is more stable that Windows GUI,
do not agree that GNOME developers find it easier a bug, and do not
agree to that a well integrated desktop API must be monolithicly coded.
I mean, Windows coding is as modular as it is possible, and I guess that
programmers do know more than less where bugs are. How many modules
does GNOME need ? Do you find that more debuggable by 100 persons
from different places at different hours touching the same code ? I do not.
> As a unix user, I am always tempted to run Window Maker standalone,
> simply because I am a speed freak, even if I do love running
> GNOME+Window Maker.
At Linux never run GNOME or KDE, just use olwm or xfce.
> Don't get me wrong. I hate Windows. I try not to run it, and I try to
> stay away from it. I plan on never running Windows on my machine,
> except (heh!) maybe in a VMWare virtual machine under FreeBSD. But, I
> just wanted to give my honest 2 cents on this whole desktop discussion.
I do not hate anything, it is not worth the time. Anyway, why running
Windows under VMware is okay and stand alone it is not. Do you need
or want o run it really or not ? If so, why don't you run natively ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian V. Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 20 Oct 2000 18:41:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, NAVARRO LOPEZ,
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Manuel writes:
|> Haoyu Meng wrote:
|> >
|> > U need to read a whole book to understand how to use Latex. I am in the business
|> > of writing books using computers. I don't want to have to learn programming to
|> > do that.
|> >
|>
|> OOOOAH, That's funny indeed!!!! So, your are "...in the business of
|> writing books using computers" but still, you're not expected to know
|> the tools to do so????
|>
|> Well, I'm in the bussiness of driving Formula1 race cars. I don't want
|> to have to learn the use of the manual changer for it.
|>
|> (Is it called "changer"? I mean the bar to change the engine
|> de-multiplication relationship, contrary most USA cars work with
|> authomatic changer)
Do you mean "transmission"?
What the heck is a "de-multiplication relationship"? Do you mean gears?
--
===============================================================
Brian V. Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www-epb.lbl.gov/BVSmith
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
I don't speak for LBL; they don't pay me enough for that.
Check out the xfig site at http://www-epb.lbl.gov/xfig
To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the
glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big
as it needs to be.
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From: "Idoia Sainz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Why Linux is great.
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:55:48 GMT
> Why do they need to save often? Why should they care? The house did not
> lose power, the VCR wouldn't have stopped working. The toaster oven
> wouldn't have stopped toasting. Why did Windows stop?
It is a matter of how much you do value your job ... by self nature a PC
can
fail (from power to hardware or software) and if I am working with it I must
take care, mustn't I ?
> You are conditioned, you have been assimilated.
At all, as I said I do use several OS's ... last one OpenBSD (just
starting
with it). Just don't like closing my eyes and saying Windows is bad and
Linux
is good ... I think both of them have weak and strong points ;-)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:58:11 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8sndt0$1grh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?articleid=RWT101600000000
> > >>
> > >> That's the headlines once they fail to support this chip.
> > >>
> > >> Linux will be supporting it just like they currently have IA64 working!
> > >>
> > >> Microsoft doesn't even have the IA64 working!
> > >>
> >
> > > oh, and p.s., MS HAS run windows on a IA64 system... but not on the
> power4
> > > cause IBM has never shared one with them, kinda hard to do. Of course,
> your
> > > "prediction" that linux will support it is as likely as MS supporting
> it. In
> > > other words, it's pure speculation and has NO facts supporting it - pure
> BS.
> >
> > Actually, youre wrong again, dresden. Which is not surprising, since you
> continue
> > to prove over and over again that you have no idea at all about whats
> going on
> > at IBM, or what has been going on there over the past few years.
> >
> > Linux will run on the power4, because the power4 is going into the next
> generation
> > S/* mainframes, under which linux is *officially* supported.
>
> So you are saying that your 100% rock solid "proof" of this future event is
> that, since IBM has announced that it is "officially" supporting Linux on
> it's server that WHEN these next generation machines are finally built that
> IBM will be able to insure that the open source community bends to it's will
> and supports this chip, no matter what anyone else might say/think or what
You're such a dipshit.
IBM can write the necessary code itself. There is ZERO need for
IBM to make "the open source community [band] to it's will"
Besides, compared to Microsloth shenanigans, that's pretty funny.
> may happen between now and then.
>
> So, do you work for the psychic network on the side or is that your day job?
> Until it happens it's speculation. It may be likely that it will happen,
> even very likely but until it actually happens you just don't know.
>
> Tell me what part of this I've said is inaccurate or wrong? Hmmm? Unless you
> actually have a copy of Linux running on a Power4 - your shouting "it will!
> it will!" are meaningless.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:59:00 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8sncsl$bma$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > : I can remember for YEARS having to listen to people, fairly and
> accurately,
> > : tell me that Windows and SQL Server were lightweights and they would
> quote
> > : TPC-C (either when Windows simply wasn't there or during it's infancy
> when
> > : it was making a very poor showing). Touts of Sun is king and Oracle
> rules...
> > : there was no other benchmark to throw around. Oracle STILL has posters
> in
> > : it's main lobby (quite old now) that show all of the top 10 positions
> > : occupied by hardware that ran Oracle. Sun would put TPC figures (even
> > : price/performance figures) in their sales material. There was a time
> when
> > : even at the hyper inflated prices for IBM and Sun equipment and software
> > : they were kings and MS blew donkey dicks, compaq was a toy-maker.
> >
> > I suppose it never occurred to you that the same people who dislike
> > TPC metrics for Windows might also not like them for UNIX either.
>
> Perhaps, but I'm not talking about them.
>
> >Hint:
> > The set of all UNIX advocates is not a homogeneous set.
> Neither are MSCE's or Windows advocates - but they are constantly painted
> with the same broad strokes.
>
They have two things in common:
Stupidity
Blindness.
Hope that helps.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: who's WHINING dipshit!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:59:57 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> > >
> > > "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > JS/PL wrote:
> > > > > It was enough of a pain in the ass getting it to see
> > > > > the modem and work the video card, which Windows manages to do all
> by
> > > it's
> > > > > self.
> > > >
> > > > That's utter bullshit and you know it. Windows does not see anything
> > > > more than a VGA card by itself. You give it drivers and tell it
> > > > explicitly what card you have. So you had to do the same thing under
> > > > linux? So fucking what? How does this now make linux worse?
> > >
> > > Um. No. Windows PnP sees EXACTLY what card you have and ONLY if it
> doesn't
> > > already have drivers for it does it ask you for drivers. And you can
> change
> > > the drivers effortlessly. AND manufacturers make the *best* drivers
> _first_
> > > for Windows +quickest+
> >
> > Yeah, but Linux had this in 1995.
> >
> > M$, playing catch-up with the rest of the industry....AS USUAL!
>
> HARDLY! PnP was NOT developed on or for Linux, it was created for Windows
> 95. Linux caught up later...
Wrong. Yggdrasil had it first.
MS introduced PnP at the last minute in response.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Idoia Sainz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Why Linux is great.
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:58:38 GMT
> Just a quick comment. I do all of the above just fine in X Windows using
> KDE 2.0.
Still beta4 while under IE since 4.01.
> can use the built in X copy/paste. The built in one is used by
> highlighting text in anything and pasting it elsewhere with the middle
> mouse button (or right & left on a two button mouse).
I know it, but does not work for every application.
> Drag n' drop between
> KDE apps works nicely, also, but I've rarely ever used this even in
windows
> so I can't comment on the extent of the functionality.
Okay, as you say ... among KDE ones ... a matter of consistency.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux is great.
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:01:23 -0400
Keith Peterson wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
> >> > A typical Linux distribution, out of the box, has 95% of anything anyone
> >> > (that's ANYONE!) would want to do with a computer.
>
> Yep! For instance, I use my PC for development (primarily C++, Java, and some
> other sundry languages). I also use it to play a number of games, including
> Age of Empires II, and to do multi-stream audio editing of up to 24 tracks at
> a time (thanks to Syntrillium and Steinberg software - bought and paid for).
> Also, I need to work in complex Word documents thanks to my employer.
>
> Out of the box, linux development tools rock. Everything else I have to do in
> Windows.
>
> So I guess that I'm not in the group you refer to as ANYONE!
>
> >And how is this more objective than her use of Linux? And why would
> >you leave your data at the mercy of Microsoft?
> >
>
> It's not. That's what backups are for. Saving in WordPerfect for Linux format
> leaves it at the mercy of Corel (shudder), and is Staroffice even supported
> any more?
>
> >But your opinion sucks!
>
> Thanfully, yours is so much more well thought out.
>
> >Multiple desktops out of the box?
>
> One of the things I absolutely love in linux - particularly when developing.
> Shell sessions monitoring databases and servers in the lower right, mp3 player
> (naturally) in the upper right, IDE and tools upper left, browser lower left.
> I sorely miss that in Windows.
>
> >Our hatred of Microsoft is not blind; we hate MS with full cognizance
> >of its attempts at vendorlock, proprietary formats, and intimidation.
>
> And zero cognizance of their role in computing history, the good they've done,
> the concepts they've advanced - if not created - and the drive they have
> provided the industry.
>
> Not to mention the many thousands of people directly employed as a result of
> their software, in roles across the board.
>
> No, they aren't angels - but haven't you noticed that every major company in
> the industry is starting to resemble them from an ethics standpoint?
> Microsoft, Sun, Oracle, Intel - none are worse the others, although if I had
> to pick the prince of evil here, it would be Larry Ellison - not Bill Gates.
> Do you hate them all equally?
>
> >Such as look at dancing paperclips?
>
> You don't like it? Turn it off.
>
> Some people like it.
^^^^^^
You misppelled "IDIOTS"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: NAVARRO LOPEZ, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Manuel
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:28:16 +0200
Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>
> Yes, it is possible to use Word the "right" way. Marking
> things by content and applying format with style sheets. But
> I've never seen anybody actually _do_ that. They always
> manually adjust the fonts/margins/whatever until they think it
> looks good. Trouble is, they're often wrong. But, I suppose,
> that is a matter of taste.
>
I think this is the heart of the bussiness. Human species seems to be
mainly visual. I for one do use Word content sheets when needed (coming
from "typesetting" HTML with Notepad) but you are rigth: almost nobody
does it, even when it is an obvious advantage (well, just think those
chapter titles fit better in brown red, and you will know the
difference... or try to automatically extract a TOC, for instance). But
look, even professionals had done just the same: HTML used to be a
Markup Language (where the Markups pointed to content, not visual
effects) but nowadays everybody seems to have forgotten this, since most
HTML pages (and I'm talking about the professional-made ones) are
rendered for the visual effects, instead for contents (with *very* ugly
collateral effects, like bad-rendering for blind people, for instance).
To loop the loop now they come "inventing" XML, wohoo, that language
that stands for content, not presentation (?????)
--
SALUD,
Jesús
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Microsoft kicked off the Web!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:03:26 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:14:14 GMT
<8so2oh$v4t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:02:58 GMT
>> <8s90f2$37u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> > Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Microsoft has such a small grip on the WEB you could functionally
>> >> declare their bid for the market over.
>> >>
>> >> I think they just keep it open to say they have one.
>> >
>> >Two things happening here. Microsoft is getting a smaller and
>smaller
>> >share of the server market (but still growing slightly), but they are
>> >targeting strategic servers, such as the front-end web server.
>>
>> A random question from the peanut gallery -- what the hell is
>> a "front-end Web server"?
>
>Most simply, the "front-end" Web server is the one that serves the
>home page. Typically, it has all the "Glitz toys" but delegates nearly
>everything else to other back-end servers. In some cases, it literally
>passes users off to other Apache/UNIX or Apache/Linux servers using
>links, msfriend.com will have links to linux.msfriend.com everywhere.
>(whatever the hostnames).
Ah, interesting. I for one hadn't considered this sort of thing.
My employer is using this sort of thing right now; the front end
server is a Solaris, but the back end could be anything (they
use Jakarta/Tomcat, which runs on either NT or Solaris or Linux
or HP-UX or ... well, just about anything that supports Java).
And the Tomcats talk to a database, which means yet another OS/software
combination.
So who's the web server, precisely? Ummmm.... :-)
[rest snipped]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random front end here
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From: "Idoia Sainz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Why Linux is great.
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:01:58 GMT
> That is not relavent. You are accusing an advocate of advocacy on an
> advocacy group. There really is no sense in that.
Wan't so exactly but well, perhaps I explained wrong myself, which
remembers me about "military intelligence two words combined that
can't make sense" ;-) (Megadeth power).
> OK, Agreed. I don't. It does, however come with a lot of stuff, more
> than any other OSs.
> It's certainly useful not to have to keep installing stuff.
Telling me that you have not to install often into your Linux desktop
box ? Libraries updates are needed usuarlly to run last versions of
things ... as an example GTK+, ImLib, JPEG, ... and are not exactly
clicking over setup.exe ;-) for non-computing people.
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From: Garry Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:09:18 +0100
On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Jan Schaumann wrote:
>"Garry Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Jan Schaumann wrote:
>>>Garry Knight wrote:
>>
>>>>Most of the word processors I've come across can import and export RTF
>>>>pretty well.
>>>
>>>The most portable document format is PDF (Portable Document FOrmat -
>>>D'uh). RTF is not half as portable.
>>
>> Great. Let's see you "port" a PDF document into Word 97.
>
>See <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> further below.
>
>Opening one document-type with an application that is not intended to
>handle that type can not produce the correct output.
>
>*You* try opening a word-document with xv.
I don't recall mentioning "opening" RTF documents. I seem to recall mentioning
the "import and export" of RTF documents, which the word processors I've used
in Linux can do quite well (i.e. Applix Words, StarOffice, AbiWord).
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Garry Knight
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From: "Idoia Sainz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Why Linux is great.
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:03:11 GMT
> He speaks from his experience, as I do. I think you Linux guys are
> conditioned and brainwashed by some psycho penguin lover :)
She, please :-)
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From: "Idoia Sainz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Clearing things
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:04:18 GMT
> Welcome to the world of Linux advocacy~!
Thanks ... well arrived :)
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