Linux-Advocacy Digest #763, Volume #32 Sun, 11 Mar 01 20:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: What does IQ measure? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Customising Wrap-Up Screen. (WAS: "It is now safe to shut off your computer")
("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Dividing OS to groups. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: What does IQ measure? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Middle Aged Fat Asses (David Steinberg)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: What does IQ measure? (Arthur Frain)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (Stuart Krivis)
Re: GPL Like patents. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation ("Masha Ku'Inanna")
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Linux office, a possible future..... ("GreyCloud")
Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation ("GreyCloud")
Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax) (Chris Ahlstrom)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:36:42 -0500
Arthur Frain wrote:
>
> Brock Hannibal wrote:
>
> > Arthur Frain wrote:
>
> > > Brock Hannibal wrote:
> > > > That would sort of be like saying F=ma is not true
> > > > because you've redefined a to be something other
> > > > than acceleration.
>
> > > Well, the fact is F=ma isn't true if dm/dt != 0 [1].
> > > The assumptions you're making about IQ are in the same
> > > league as assuming that dm/dt can always be ignored,
> > > when in the Real World (tm) it can't be (rockets burning
> > > fuel or space debris hitting the atmosphere for example).
>
> > That's dodging the analogy you stupid fucking idiot.
>
> Nah, it's just demonstrating the analogy is flawed.
The only thing that's flawed is your brain.
Because ALL of your arguments depend upon re-defining
agreed-upon terms, and then trying to fit them into statements
which don't take into account the re-definition.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:38:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> I'm running both Pete and I've never been able to replicate one
>> bitch you've ever posted! Even when you were stupid enought
>> to give instructions, we couldn't replicate the problem.
>
>"stupid enough to give instructions" - that's kinda telling Charlie.
>
You are a MAFAM.
>> As I said, anybody who thinks W2k is superior to Gnome or KDE has
>> worms for brains.
>
>But obviously highly superior and intelligent worms. And very wiggly too.
>8)
>
You are a MAFAM.
>> We are still using Windows as my employer owns stock in Microsoft.
>> That's the main reason.
>
>So why are you still there Charlie? Why aren't you out looking for a job
>in Linux? Why are you still schmoozing around with the great Shaitan?
>
>Hmmmm?????
>
No LINUX jobs MAFAM.
>> If 1/4 of the things you say about Linux WERE TRUE, there'd be nobody
>> here to do advocacy as they would have all moved off to either BSD or
>> a MAC.
>
>Oh c'mon Charlie, use your head!
>
>For everyone who reports hassle free Windows or Linux there are about as
>many people with dire problems with Windows or Linux. Just because _you_
>don't experience the problems, doesn't mean they _don't_ exist!
>
This is a MAFAM comment.
>> You have shit for brains and I wish you would see fit to drain the pond.
>
>"shit for brains" and "drain the pond". You're not very good at this, are
>you Charlie.
>
>--
>Pete
>All your no fly zone are belong to us
Go have a BUD MAFAM.
Charlie
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Customising Wrap-Up Screen. (WAS: "It is now safe to shut off your
computer")
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:43:56 +0200
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > : Dunno if "mode co80" works anymore. :-)
> > >
> > > It works on Windows 95 just fine. Don't know about 98, ME, or other
newer
> > > flavours of Winblows. What I do know is that it works on my dual-boot
box.
> >
> > It should work on all 9x versions.
> > NT versions (at least AFAIK), has the startup/shutdown fixed.
>
> I dunno what you're answering, but I'm not convinced it's what he was
> talking about.
>
>
> MODE CO80 at the shutdown screen only works on 95. It stopped working on
> 98, because MS stopped just quitting back to dos after shutting down. I
> used to stop windows starting automatically so I could put WIN and MODE
> CO80 in my autoexec.bat. This was obviously the first thing about 98
> that pissed me off.
What is mode co80?
You can still both to dos first, and go into windows if you type win, by
editing a file called msdos.sys (IIRC)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Dividing OS to groups.
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:45:13 +0200
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hurd?
>
> Hurd is part of GNU, a non Unix(tm), UNIX workalike which has no code
> from the origional UNIX.
There are at least 2 other working product lines (linux & *bsd) that already
accomlish it.
However, I heard that Hurd has some neat features too (like a bad driver not
being able to fuck the system)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:59:08 +0200
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:50:26 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:27:54 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Roughly 95% of the programs for windows use the common controls.
>
> I wonder. About 95% of them use _some_ common controls, about that many
> seem to use _some_ custom ones too. There's quite a thriving market in
> third-party controls, so it isn't the case that the app programmer has
> to write all of his own. Check any issue of just about any programming
> magazine for details.
Most often, those third party controls are built uppon the common controls
(at least those I've seen), and (hopefully, at least) change accordingly.
I'm using XP for quite some time now, haven't had any trouble so far.
> MS and "human interface experts" may frown on this, but that's too bad I
> guess. Companies seem to think that product differentiation is more
> important than adherence to someone else's guidelines. Things really
> are not as consistent in the Windows world as Windows boosters would
> like everyone to think.
Check Apple QT4, for example of this.
> > I'm not talking about one-look for everything, I'm talking about
> > sharing a common set of controls.
>
> Which Windows partially does. As does Linux. Linux has more variety,
> but then many of the programs running on Linux boxes are older than
> Windows or even DOS, so it is hardly surprising that they don't follow
> today's guidelines. I don't think you are going to get volunteers to go
> back and rewrite them for you, so complaining is really pretty
> pointless. If that is a huge obstacle to Linux on the desktop, well
> then I guess it'll be a huge obstacle. I don't think it is.
Those guidelines has been very much the same for a very long time.
Maybe not the spesifics, but the general hasn't changed much.
Beside, I'm not talking about this.
I'm talking that if I load a gnome application on KDE desktop, it should
look like a KDE application, and not a Gnome application.
> > (I'm annoyed that I can't copy from/to a terminal window right now, so
> > it's important to me)
>
> Left mouse + drag to select, go to other window, middle mouse (both on a
> properly configured 2-button mouse) to paste. Virtually all X apps
> support this including terminal windows. There is one exception, and
> that is character mode programs that support the mouse. They sometimes
> require you to hold the shift key when performing the above operations.
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> -| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:41:42 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> > > Picking questions with only one correct answer doesn't even start to deal
> > > with the point I was making.
> >
> > Oh, so your dealing with problems that don't have a best solution
> > then. I see. Well if they don't have a best solution what makes you
> > think you can determine which of several solutions is a "better"
> > solution?
>
> Problem with a 'best' solution != problem with only one solution.
> The use of the word 'best' may be misleading... all we know for sure is
> that the smarter person is more likely to choose a better solution if
> it's available. It's always possible there is an even better solution,
> sometimes due to advances in technology or research.
>
> > Whatever. Sounds to me like you haven't thought through the
> > consequences of your off the cuff statements.
>
> By all means, make me aware of these consequences I have missed.
>
> Basically all I have said is that anyone who believes blindly in IQ tests
> is a moron, and needs their head examined.
That's something a stupid person says.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:42:01 +0200
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
.
> > (I'm annoyed that I can't copy from/to a terminal window right now, so
it's
> > important to me)
>
> Why can't you? I can. This is copy/pasted from my terminal window right
> now:
Not that kind of terminal, I meant Terminal Services, which is another thing
completely.
You can't copy / paste to/from TS window, because the copy board is either
user-wise, and can't be transfered, at least AFAIK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Middle Aged Fat Asses
Date: 11 Mar 2001 23:46:49 GMT
Joseph T. Adams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Some of us use, like, and advocate Linux in spite of being neither
: young nor thin. :)
And many of us use, like, and advocate Linux, are young and thin, and
are still incredibly offended by Charlie's posts.
And I think he reached a new low with the one that started this thread.
--
David Steinberg -o)
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:54:11 GMT
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> > Pete, do us all a favor and don't use Linux. It clearly is not ready for
> > people with your mindset. Currently, Linux is about *choice*, and
> > anything that limits choice is considered a Bad Thing(tm).
>
> Translation: don't keep complaining, we don't want nor care what you have
> to say, even if what you say may actually help (or hinder?) Linux.
Translation: don't keep complaining to others about things that are
completely under your own control. Yes, the default setup comes
out wrong when you combine the GIMP and CUPs. Both are
configurable and you have been told what to change. Either use
stock lpr, or configure them so the combination
works in any of the three obvious ways. And don't call this
a Linux problem since it is specific to the Mandrake distribution.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Arthur Frain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:57:19 -0800
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Arthur Frain wrote:
> > Well, the fact is F=ma isn't true if dm/dt != 0 [1].
> > The assumptions you're making about IQ are in the same
> > league as assuming that dm/dt can always be ignored,
> > when in the Real World (tm) it can't be (rockets burning
> > fuel or space debris hitting the atmosphere for example).
<snip>
> > [1] People with reasonable IQ's recall from HS physics
> > that F=dp/dt, where p=mv is momentum, so F= m*dv/dt + v*dm/dt.
> > OTOH, people who make superficial, imprecise arguments
> > only remember that F=ma, and forget that's a special case
> > (Newton's Law of Usenet Debate)
> And dm/dt =/= 0 when, exactly?
Um, when mass varies with respect to time?
Only Aaron could read the above two paragraphs from the same
post and then pose that question.
I forgot, he's an engineer now.
Arthur
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart Krivis)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: 11 Mar 2001 18:59:33 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 10 Mar 2001 00:45:03 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: Say all you'd like about the pros and cons of doing that, but DON'T
>: say that the BSDL code can be made non-free. When you say that, you
>: demonstrate that YOU don't get it or that you enjoy maddening people.
>
>I don't have to. You just did it yourself. Read above.. "the M$-extended
>work which is not free." The key difference in our viewpoints seems to
>be this: You say that as long as you can get the original version from
>the original source, that no freedom has been lost. I say that this isn't
>necessarily so, since the original version can be made useless by having
>the proprietary extensions become the norm.
This argument is completely inane.
If Company XX re-engineers some FSF software and incorporates
proprietary extensions, and then becomes the norm - the original version
is made useless.
Same result using your precious GPL.
You're simply being pig-headed and failing to read.
Code snippet X is BSDLicensed and is currently free. No amount of future
finagling by _anyone_ can cause the current code snippet to become
non-free.
--
Stuart Krivis
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GPL Like patents.
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:10:54 GMT
"Rob S. Wolfram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I don't understand why the communication method between two components
> >should determine whether they become 'derived' from each other or
> >not.
>
> I'd say that the communication method determines if the two pieces of
> code form one single program during runtime.
>
> > Would using a java method directly be different than using
> >the same via RMI?
>
> Sorry, can't comment. I have no idea how RMI works.
It is a generic protocol that serializes java objects and allows a
remote machine to invoke their methods. Same class, same code,
generic protocol for remote access vs. local - same results. How
can one be a derivative and one not?
>
> > Is there a difference between using a .dll in
> >process or running it in another process?
>
> How do the two processes communicate? Via RPC-like constructs? Then I'd
> say the two processes are not the same program.
Windows has a mechanism for marshelling COM objects so they can
be run in or out of the calling process. I don't completely understand
the details, nor do I see how they could affect the decision of whether
the two parts are derived from each other.
> > What about dynamic
> >linking via dlopen() where the code in question decides at runtime
> >to link in another library - often ones that didn't even exist when
> >the calling code was written? How can something be 'derived' from
> >other code written in the future?
>
> This just moves the point of focus from the program to the library. In
> such case the library has to be GPL compatible for you to link to it.
Who is responsible for an infraction in this case? Assume a perl script
causes perl to link in both GPL'd readline() and a proprietary database
client library? The script obviously isn't derived from the language
code or the libraries - it is just a controlling script. Perl isn't derived
from any of the things it could possibly be told to dynamically link
(which includes just about everything that can be built as a shared library)
and it certainly can't be a derivative of something that might not even have
been written before perl itself).
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Masha Ku'Inanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:17:18 -0500
Reply-To: "Masha Ku'Inanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
You'd think that Charlie's "MAFAM" acronym is nothing more than a dribbling
vegetable's retranslation of the pre-kindergarten-esque "nyah nyah nyah"
wouldn't you think?
> You are a MAFAM.
>
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:11:07 +0200
"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:98btef$p2a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Pat McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> :> You guys just don't get it. Proprietary extensions from a work, when
> :> put into a popular OS, CAN undermine the original through embrace-and-
> :> extend-and-make-incompatable. ....
>
> : All of which has absolutely nothing to do with whether the BSDL code
> : is still free. It is the M$-extended work which is not free. M$ had
> : the freedom to profit from their work under their own terms (mostly).
> : The BSDL code owners gave M$ the license, the freedom, to do that.
>
> : Say all you'd like about the pros and cons of doing that, but DON'T
> : say that the BSDL code can be made non-free. When you say that, you
> : demonstrate that YOU don't get it or that you enjoy maddening people.
>
> I don't have to. You just did it yourself. Read above.. "the M$-extended
> work which is not free." The key difference in our viewpoints seems to
> be this: You say that as long as you can get the original version from
> the original source, that no freedom has been lost. I say that this isn't
> necessarily so, since the original version can be made useless by having
> the proprietary extensions become the norm.
Since GPL is just for code, what prevents me from copying the idea and
extend it?
Create a propetiry version of it that would render the GPL code null?
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From: "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Linux office, a possible future.....
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:15:22 -0800
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> says...
>
> > This is a real possibility, right now!!
>
> Where is it? Where? Where?
>
> > Imagine most, if not all, office workers in a company using Linux with
KDE or
> > Gnome.
>
> Imagine all the bug reports... 8)
>
> > Most corporate infrastructures are 100 BaseT networks on a switched
backbone.
>
> Ah, there you've got me. Ours is still 10 BaseT. 100 BaseT coming soon!
>
> > Imagine 25, 100, or 1000s of office workers connected to a central
backbone.
>
> Can you imagine the network traffic?
>
> > The research department can use the cumulative processing power of these
> > machines to process information.
>
> I'm not sure I'd like a myseterious research group to hijack my machine
> and use it for their purposes!
>
> > The IT department can use the various clustering and remote access
technologies
> > to manage all the machines as a whole or individually.
>
> Ah yes... here we go. Centralised management. That has been tried before.
> I saw it at Digital. They had clusters, they had shared disks... it
> worked, after a fashion.
>
What do you mean "worked, after a fashion"? DEC had clusters working long
before MS even
had thought about it. The centralized admin of users and networks worked
great! And the systems
didn't break either! DEC had equipment that was designed for lans or wans
before 1990.
And, the nice thing there weren't any crashes.
Go back to 1978, and take a good look at bill gates Microsoft Basic
interpreter... he copied
almost all the instructions DEC basic had. What he couldn't copy were the
statements dealing
with multi-tasking.
> Here's a "rule of thumb" for you.
>
> For every system you introduce to fix problems, the new system brings
> with it it's own set of problems.
>
> That's not to say try something new, but... we've swung from individual
> machines, through centralised ones, now individual again, and... where's
> the fashion going now?
>
> > The possibilities are amazing. We need to break this whole, stupid, DOS
> > mentality that wastes billions of dollars of computing power. Sun has it
right,
> > the network "IS' the computer, but more to the point, the corporate
> > infrastructure can be the computer.
>
> If you're talking about making computers be a network device you need one
> thing first. A fast reliable network. That can happen in the office.
>
> Where it won't happen is in the home. There are _still_ a lot of people
> dialling up with 56k modems. Can you imagine having a diskless machine as
> it tries to download an app across a 56k link? Or maybe you'll try
> running X across such a link? Sluggish, did you say?
>
> > Windows computers, for all the bluster from Microsoft, are still no more
> > innovative than the CP/M on which they were based. So what? They play
sounds
> > and put up pretty pictures. UNIX can do that and more.
>
> Please! There's a big difference between Windows and CP/M.
>
> As for UNIX being able to do, why aren't they doing it, why aren't they
> the leading force on the desktop?
>
> > Sure there are more "applications" for Windows, but there are few
applications
> > available for Windows which do not have an equivalent in the UNIX world,
i.e.
> > there are very few innovative applications for Windows.
>
> What's the UNIX equivalent of Corel Draw? Of Microsoft Word? (Star Office
> is close but not quite there). I'm sorry but the number of desktop
> applications on Windows easily outstrips those on UNIX.
>
> --
> Pete
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From: "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:27:56 -0800
"Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >
> > > Oh shure it is. Anybody who uses a modern X environment with
> > > either KDE or Gnome then uses W2k and comes away with the
> > > impression W2k is superior has worms for brains.
> >
> > You're kidding right?
> >
> > You have actually tried KDE haven't you?
> >
> > It's a young product.
> >
> > It's got so many bugs in it I could drive a bus through them.
> >
> > If you want to lose all your fonts, set your region to anything other
> > than US. Then watch all your fonts slip to a courier style. This was
true
> > on KDE 2.0. I've only recently installed KDE 2.1 (it blew big time on
> > Linux Mandrake) on SuSE 7.1. I've not tried this yet.
> >
> > Of course Windows 2000 is superior to KDE!
>
> ...in your opinion.
>
> > > You might as well attempt to nurse your young on YOUR NIPPLES
> > > as use Windows in a business environment.
> >
> > Then why are you still using it Charlie? Wassamatta? Not got the guts to
> > leave your support job on Windows NT that you spoke about before and get
> > a job on your nirvana, Linux?
>
> If he hasn't, millions have, and the migration is only beginning.
>
> > > It's still the bluescreening, buggy, license ridden shit
> > > it always has been since day 1.
> >
> > Same question Charlie, why are you still in that job?
> >
> > Could it be because it PAYS better than anything you could find with
> > Linux?
> >
>
> Washington Post, 1/7/1999
> SYSTEM SALARY
>
> IBM/AS400 70,954
> Solaris 66,205
> LINUX 61,027
> Windows NT 59,331
> Macintosh OS 49,677
>
Looks like we need to get an exterminator! :-))
> > Pete
> > All your no fly zone are belong to us
>
> --
> The Great Bald Swamp Hedgehog:
> The Gerat Bald Swamp Hedgehog of Billericay displays, in
> courtship, his single prickle and does impressions of Holiday Inn desk
> clerks. Since this means him standing motionless for enormous periods
> of time he is often eaten in full display by The Great Bald Swamp
> Hedgehog Eater.
> -- Mike Harding, "The Armchair Anarchist's Almanac"
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:44:24 GMT
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> > (I'm annoyed that I can't copy from/to a terminal window right now, so
> > it's important to me)
>
> Left mouse + drag to select, go to other window, middle mouse (both on a
> properly configured 2-button mouse) to paste. Virtually all X apps
> support this including terminal windows. There is one exception, and
> that is character mode programs that support the mouse. They sometimes
> require you to hold the shift key when performing the above operations.
COOL! Thanks for that GREAT tip!
Chris
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