Linux-Advocacy Digest #789, Volume #29 Sat, 21 Oct 00 16:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("JS/PL")
Re: Run for the hills! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("JS/PL")
Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Starting a Linux program in schools (Shane Phelps)
Re: linux questions (.)
Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system. (.)
Re: Redhat and TurboLinux announce support for the entire new IBM eServer line (.)
Re: Redhat and TurboLinux announce support for the entire new IBM eServer line (.)
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! (.)
Re: Claire Lynn (.)
Re: Linux or Solaris (Milton)
Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux (.)
Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux (.)
Re: Pros and Cons of MS Windows Dominated World? (Perry Pip)
Re: linux questions (mlw)
Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system.
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: who's WHINING dipshit! (.)
Re: who's WHINING dipshit! (.)
Re: who's WHINING dipshit! (.)
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:08:49 -0400
Reply-To: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Truckasaurus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8spa52$snk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <55CH5.13009$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > What I stated about Linux not being able to detect RAM properly is a
> simple
> > fact, check it.
>
> Maybe on your planet, Chad. But here on earth, Linux has always
> detected my RAM just right. And my partitions have also been detected
> right, not like Windows 95, which once detected my Linux partition as
> being an "audio CD"...
It has never detected my RAM just right. 66mb is all it shows. Why?
I take that back - I don't care why.
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Subject: Re: Run for the hills!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 19:16:39 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Erik Funkenbusch) wrote in
<_T3I5.2345$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I've owned a TiVo for about 3 months. They've been here in the states
>for a good 6-9 months.
>
>It's really a cool device and it's pretty stable, though the hardware
>seems to be a bit flaky. I've had to restart it about 3 times (or once
>a month or so) because the modem stops responding and I notice that it
>seems to get slower the longer it's on.
>
>But all in all, it's a good device. I've even hacked in a new 80GB hard
>disk to give 127 hours of recording time.
>
>As for your busy signals, they probably don't have enough local lines
>for you.
Sadly I returned it and got a refund. Two reasons: colour kept fading in
and out, and sound kept clipping. They fixed one fault (a green line at the
top) but could only suggest swapping the box for the other two. The local
store had ran out, so that was that.
--
Pete Goodwin
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Why don't I use Linux?
Lack of support for my sound card for one thing.
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:14:40 -0400
Reply-To: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said JS/PL in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> [...]
> >> As I've already stated at least three times, in response to various
> >> Winvocates who try to use this as troll-fodder, any real federal judge
> >> is quite well aware that *every* thing that he says is "vulnerable" to
> >> appeal.
> >
> >"vulnerable ON appeal" your dimness, the sad attempt by you to change
that
> >to "vulnerable TO appeal" has been noted as Devlin Lie # 47,518 though.
He
> >admits everything he did is vulnerable ON appeal, as opposed to NOT
> >vulnerable on appeal (what a good judge would strive for).
>
> Get your head out of your ass, troll-boy. And take a course in English,
> so you can learn why your pedantry is not only inappropriate, but
> pointless.
>
> [...]
> >Better check your sources on that again (#47,520 duly noted):
> >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3153207.html
> >The federal judge who ruled that Microsoft violated U.S. antitrust law
could
> >be removed from the case in the likely event an appellate panel returns
> >portions of the case to his court, legal experts say.
>
> Go argue with CNET, if they were so unclear. You can't remove a judge
> from a case that's already over. Whether Jackson will hear any remand
> is irrelevant, other than to give you a nice warm trollish "I was right"
> feeling, at the cost of accuracy.
And if you'd take your lithium pills on schedule you'd understand that the
case isn't over quite yet.
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Subject: Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 19:22:19 GMT
bob@nospam wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I install linux, and have NFS, FTP, Telenet, NIS, and any other network
>services up and running.
Network machine huh? Do anything else besides network?
>Try to install that shit called windoz, and tell me that again.
NFS I don't need, I use something simple called Netbios.
FTP I don't need, I use something simple called Netbios for the other
machine. For the Internet I use GetRight, which can access both FTP and
HTTP sites. I don't need to run an FTP server locally.
What the hell is Telenet? Do you mean Telnet? Ah yes, I really need to log
onto the other machine from my main one. The only reason why that was
useful in Linux was that I could shut it down from the same terminal.
Otherwise, I don't need it.
NIS? Wassat?
>And why do I need IIS to use ftp again?
Why do you need an FTP server at all?
>windoz sucks. It is a pretty face with no brain behind it. When you
>try to do real work (something other than playing games and watching
>porn sites), then Unix is the only system that makes sense to use.
I use Windows 98 SE to do real work, writing device drivers that are binary
compatible on Windows 98 SE, Windows ME and Windows 2000. And they all do
3D sound, unlike Linux.
>As soon as Linux desktop is fully developed, the masses will move to
>it completely, and only morons like you will be left it using it.
When? When? When?
--
Pete Goodwin
---
Why don't I use Linux?
Lack of support for my sound card for one thing.
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Subject: Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 19:24:25 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mlw) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Like I said, you had a machine that had supported stuff. I assure you
>that is not always the case.
And even supported devices don't work out-of-the-box on Linux. My SB16 and
AHA1520 for instance. Both supported but neither were installed. I had to
do some digging to get 'em working.
--
Pete Goodwin
---
Why don't I use Linux?
Lack of support for my sound card for one thing.
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Subject: Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 19:26:00 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jacques Guy) wrote in <39F1CA5F.8CD49CC4
@alphalink.com.au>:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in answer to my
>post where I reminded her of the days when her
>favourite answer was "Arsehole", and where I
>mentioned the horror stories to be found on
>comp.windows.misc:
>
>> Dork.
>
>
>Thank you for illustrating my point, I could not
>have done it better.
You expect a pleasant response to your insults?
--
Pete Goodwin
---
Why don't I use Linux?
Lack of support for my sound card for one thing.
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Starting a Linux program in schools
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:06:37 +1000
John Newsom wrote:
>
> I am trying to get a linux/unix administration program started in one
> of our high schools. Our vocational education program director is
> unsure of the need. He has done some searching and found very few
> Linux jobs posted. One of his contacts indicates that Linux represents
> only 1% of the IT/IS market.
>
> I saw a recent article on oreilly.com about how Linux/Unix market share
> is greater than aggregate windows NT/2000.
>
> Am I chasing a chimera here, or are we just at the beginning of
> exponential growth in the Linux/Unix marketplace. We currently have a
> Windows NT/2000 certification program and a CISCO certification
> program. I am hoping to be able to offer our students some choices.
>
> --
> John Newsom
> Director of Instructional Technology
> Bellevue School District, WA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think you should pitch it as a general Unix admin program which just
happens to use Linux as on of the Unix variants. You should use other
Unices as well. Many BSD systems are free, Solaris is now free
for smaller systems, and I'm sure HP, IBM, et al would support such
a program as well.
It sounds like a worthwhile project, so persist with it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: linux questions
Date: 21 Oct 2000 19:42:00 GMT
drschwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm beginning to work on a new tablet computing product and was wondering
> whether linux was a viable operating system for it. Warning: I don't know
> anything about Linux! I have a few questions I was hoping folks could help
> me answer:
> o What is the minimum footprint for linux assuming the device will support
> typical printing and communication requirements?
> o Are there Java frameworks to support the development of a small suite of
> productivity applications for a targeted user group?
> o Could Java on Linux provide sufficient performance for presentation or
> spreadsheet software apps, as examples? Would a Pentium II provide
> sufficient horsepower?
> o What kind of handwriting recognition software is there for Linux?
> o Would Linux be able to support a requirement to rotate the 'desktop' 90
> degrees, i.e., to use the table in either portrait or landscape mode?
You might have better luck with Plan9 or QNX for this application.
See http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html and
www.qnx.com respectively.
One of the reasons that WindowsCE is such a big player in this sort of
market (appliance computing--palmtops, gaming consoles, kiosks, etc) is
its realtime attributes. But since microsoft sucks ass, and also since
there are in fact better alternatives, all the more reason to investigate
them.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system.
Date: 21 Oct 2000 19:49:52 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've finally installed Win2k after using Windows 3.1/95/98/98se all of
> these years. I am still using Windows 98SE for all of my digital audio
> work though.
Interesting.
> My Matrox G-200 card was set up perfectly and even the SBLive worked,
Yet you use a SBLive. You must not be very good.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Redhat and TurboLinux announce support for the entire new IBM eServer
line
Date: 21 Oct 2000 19:51:58 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How are they going to handle RAS under Linux?
> Especially on the RS/6k and SP boxes?
> Concurrent maintenance depends on chrp.
> How are they going to interface Linux with PSSP code?
> claire
> And for yttrx (aka .) Do you have any idea what the above means?
Yes actually I do, but apparantly you dont. Because if you did, you
would understand that the first two points are absolutely moot,
and the last one has been done.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Redhat and TurboLinux announce support for the entire new IBM eServer
line
Date: 21 Oct 2000 19:54:48 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Fair enough.
> I was just asking because I know that RAS is key to these platforms
> and while Linux does run on these machines, how can hot swapping and
> concurrent maintenece be done on them using Linux?
You are an idiot, claire. RAS is moot. Your utterly lack of understanding
of this belies your total inexperience with linux.
> RS/6k running AIX interface with PSSP to allow the tech or customer to
> run diagnostics, repair and replace hardware without upsetting the
> system. It even says so in the ad for that super-server they released
> last week.
You understand that the PSSP interface which has been completed for
IBMs distribution of the linux distribution in question actually has
nothing to do with linux as an operating system. And its been done.
> IBM is advertising extremely low downtimes, and there is no doubt they
> can do it, with AIX.
They do it better with MVS, but thats beside the point...since you dont
know what that is.
> Presently, I don't know how they can do it with Linux (not that Linux
> isn't just as stable), but due to above.
Thats not surprising, since you have no idea how linux works.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: 21 Oct 2000 19:56:26 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:39f06621$0$4761$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> So you are saying that your 100% rock solid "proof" of this future event is
>> that, since IBM has announced that it is "officially" supporting Linux on
>> it's server that WHEN these next generation machines are finally built that
>> IBM will be able to insure that the open source community bends to it's will
>> and supports this chip, no matter what anyone else might say/think or what
>> may happen between now and then.
>>
>> So, do you work for the psychic network on the side or is that your day job?
>> Until it happens it's speculation. It may be likely that it will happen,
>> even very likely but until it actually happens you just don't know.
> Of course not. He has no use for facts or proof, these are mere inconveniences
> for the die-hard Penguinista like "."
If you had been paying attention, chad, you would understand that not only do
I not run linux, but there are other unices and unix-like operating systems
which I greatly prefer.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Claire Lynn
Date: 21 Oct 2000 20:01:09 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> My field, unfortunately, is full of them. I can spot one at 1000
> yards, and yes my company keeps them away from the clients as well.
Your "field"?
What exactly do you do, claire? Tech support?
No, probably not even that.
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From: Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux or Solaris
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:00:16 -0400
On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:43:45 +0200, Malte Ubl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>we are currently developing a business a plan for a rather
>large e-commerce site.
>
>I am trying to figure out which is the best direction to
>go concerning server and database technology. One possibility,
>of course would be to walk the SUN/Oracle path. But you can buy
>20 Linux boxes for the price of one sun server. So Linux might
>be the way to go. On the other hand, I heard the Oracle for
>Linuy is supposed to suck. So if we go with Linux which database
>would you recommend and how well do they compared to Oracle.
DB2 for linux clusters looks interesting. Try it for free
http://www-4.ibm.com/software/is/mp/linux/
Not to mention that IBM's Entire eServer Family To Run Linux, so you
should be able to scale up to S/390, if need be.
If you decide to go the Oracle route you might check out:
Red Hat Enterprise Edition Optimized for Oracle® 8i
http://www.redhat.com/products/software/linux/eeoracle/
--
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Milton B. Hewitt
CAUCE Member - http://www.cauce.org
Proud supporter of the Microsoft Boycott Campaign
http://www.vcnet.com/bms/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux
Date: 21 Oct 2000 20:02:42 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I nominate you for worst attempt at trying to advocate Linux.
> Do you ever say anything constructive, for Linux that is?
> Trust someone else's script, from god knows where to set up my
> firewall?
> Thanks but no thanks.
> At least users of Blackice are all using the SAME script that is well
> tested by legions.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAA
"blackice".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux
Date: 21 Oct 2000 20:04:27 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:44:40 -0500, "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>This is irrational. You're against using someone else's script, even though
>>it is plain text and you can read it and at least have a chance of
>>understanding it, on ipchains, to which you also have the source and at
>>least have a chance of knowing every single thing it does.
> Assuming you know what you are reading and how to modify things to fit
> your particular need all the while not screwing something up that will
> compromise your security.
I see youve had some failures in this arena.
Which is actually not suprising, since you are a moron masquerading as
intelligence. You'll never understand computers, claire. Give it up.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of MS Windows Dominated World?
Date: 21 Oct 2000 20:03:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:57:45 -0700,
Bruce Schuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Additionally the Internet Worm led to the Unix security hole being
>> closed and lessons being learned (the incident has never been repeated).
>
>Sendmail has had a ton of holes. Go search CERT.
They've all been patched, moron.
>But ... if you go to www.cert.org and search for Linux vulnerabilities you
>will find things like:
>
> http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-13.html
>
It's been patched, moron, within a day after it's discovery for most
Linux distributions. That cert notice didn't even come out till two
weeks later, BTW. Redhat and Debian announced it immediately, and
provided updates. Regardless though, one anecdotal incedent of a
security doesn't convey an OS's overall security record. For that you
need to go to:
http://www.attrition.org/mirror/attrition/os-graphs.html
59% of all websites defaced were running NT. And yet, according to
Netcraft, only about 25% of all sites are running NT. You do the
math. An NT box of four more times likely to get cracked than a Unix
box.
Perry
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux questions
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:06:37 -0400
drschwartz wrote:
I did some work with various embedded operating systems.
Linux seems as complete as any other solution. It may not be as memory
efficient as some purely embedded systems, but the cost differencial
between licencing and a ram should come out in favor of Linux.
The bit advantage to developing on Linux is that you can run what you
write for your device, on your desktop. That is a big plus, (for free!).
>
> I'm beginning to work on a new tablet computing product and was wondering
> whether linux was a viable operating system for it. Warning: I don't know
> anything about Linux! I have a few questions I was hoping folks could help
> me answer:
>
> o What is the minimum footprint for linux assuming the device will support
> typical printing and communication requirements?
Linux can be configured to be pretty small. 2.2 is bigger than 2.0.
>
> o Are there Java frameworks to support the development of a small suite of
> productivity applications for a targeted user group?
I'm sure there are, but I don't know any specifically.
>
> o Could Java on Linux provide sufficient performance for presentation or
> spreadsheet software apps, as examples? Would a Pentium II provide
> sufficient horsepower?
Depends on the Java implementation and class libraries.
>
> o What kind of handwriting recognition software is there for Linux?
I don't know of any.
>
> o Would Linux be able to support a requirement to rotate the 'desktop' 90
> degrees, i.e., to use the table in either portrait or landscape mode?
You would have to choose a video subsystem which supports this.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> David
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:05:52 GMT
Why must everything be repeated 2 or 3 times before you fully
understand it?
I noticed that Drestin has to constantly repeat the same things over
and over to you?
I posted my hardware list yesterday for Mark. Here it is again because
you didn't read properly. Or maybe your Linux News system is not
giving you all of the posts?
***********************************************************
Abit BH6 with 256 meg (Linux doesn't recognize it all)
Pentium II 450 mhz
Maxtor EIDE DMA 100 drives.
IBM SCSI-3 drives
Adaptec 2940UW
HP 9310i CD
Plextor CDROM
USR V.Everything Courier Modem
Canon FB 630P scanner
Lexmark Z42 Printer (real nice!! at 2400 dpi)
MidiMan Delta 1010 (http://www.midiman.net/m-audio.htm )
Soundblaster Live
Matrox G-200 w 8meg
Pretty typical system with the exception of the Midiman card.
*********************************************************************
See if you can figure out which one is the pro digital audio card.
The SbLive is so I can hear what a mix will sound like on the typical
crap soundcard that consumers like you are using.
It also serves as a game card when I play Duke Nukem'.
A boombox in my studio serves a similar purpose.
claire
On 21 Oct 2000 19:49:52 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I've finally installed Win2k after using Windows 3.1/95/98/98se all of
>> these years. I am still using Windows 98SE for all of my digital audio
>> work though.
>
>Interesting.
>
>> My Matrox G-200 card was set up perfectly and even the SBLive worked,
>
>Yet you use a SBLive. You must not be very good.
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: who's WHINING dipshit!
Date: 21 Oct 2000 20:05:51 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> dork
> clcaire
I see you are incapable of answering an utterly non-technical
question about linux.
What was your point again?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: who's WHINING dipshit!
Date: 21 Oct 2000 20:07:30 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>Funny, you seem to have claimed repeatedly that you have lots of experience
>>running linux. Even someone with very limited experience would have
>>known that linux doesnt support ANY sort of video hardware directly, and
>>that all of that happens inside the X-server.
> Herewith the pedant point; there is a VGA driver of some sort
> deep within Linux, if only to drive the multi-console.
> In partciular, /usr/src/linux/drivers/video appears
> to contain vga16fb.c, vga_font.c, and vgacon.c. I suspect, not
> having looked at the contents thereof, that these files do in
> fact handle some aspects of VGA for the Linux multi-console.
True enough, I oversimplified. There is direct video support within
linux to a degree, but the point of it is moot within the point of
this thread; all graphics cards support VGA.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: who's WHINING dipshit!
Date: 21 Oct 2000 20:08:18 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> dork
> claire
Ah, claire cannot defend.
Claire, stop lying about your linux experience, and stop pretending
to know anything about computers.
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