Linux-Advocacy Digest #789, Volume #31 Sun, 28 Jan 01 16:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. ("Chris Clement")
Re: Whistler predictions... ("Nik Simpson")
Re: Sound a networks (.)
Re: Another thing I've noticed. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: X Locks up; Hell PR rep says, 'Its getting cold down here' (Tim)
Re: How long does your box run for? ("Richard J. Donovan")
Late post (but new motto) ("Richard J. Donovan")
Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Sound a networks (J Sloan)
Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. ("Chris Clement")
Re: Sound a networks ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: GODDAMNED STINKING PIECE OF SHIT THOLEN ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. (Tim)
Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. ("Chris Clement")
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From: "Chris Clement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:43:13 -0600
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chris Clement wrote:
> >
> > Bad goods? Exactly which products produced by Microsoft are bad?
>
> Office (big, bloated, breaks all apps which depend on file formats each
new
> version.), Windows (9x,ME,NT,2K) (unstable, unreliable, big, bloated),
dogs
> (obvious), encarta (inaccurate, incomplete, and poor grammar), Project
> (crashes, clumsy), etc.
I've used Office since 95, don't recall any problems. Although I have not
had the chance to load StarOffice or one of the other Linux "office" apps,
I understand from non-zealot Linux users that they are still lacking in
features. Office is "bloated"? No, not at all. Just has more in it. And
I totally disagree about Windows. Windows is as reliable as the hardware it
is installed on. If you buy poor quality hardware, in either, you will have
an unstable system. Buy a Dell with Windows and you will have a stable
system. Unfortunately for Linux, its GUI needs more work before it reaches
Windows' level of stability.
> > And which
> > products are superior?
>
> None, nada, zip.
Actually, I was asking which products were superior to Microsoft. I take it
you meant none are superior than Linux.
> > Linux is great as a server, but for the consumer,
> > forget it. Linux is light-years from being a consumer product.
>
> I disagree, Linux is no less a consumer application than is Win2K, only
Linux
> is more stable and less expensive.
Less expensive? Sure. Consumer application? You've got to be kidding.
Lack of software, much more complex operating system. You need to realize
that consumers don't care about the OS itself. They just want the apps that
use the operating system. And the majority of the apps for Linux require
you to understand the command line. Not so with Windows. Give a consumer
the choice between typing "tar -vxf filename" or knowing what rpm is and
sticking a CD in and clicking a button a couple of times and Linux will lose
every time. I do believe there is hope, but right now Linux is far behind.
Chris
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Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:49:09 -0500
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <LtIc6.4735$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nik Simpson wrote:
> >
> >No, they'll only consider something like LINUX if its simple for them and
> >runs the application they want to use, right now, that isn't even close
to
> >being the case.
> >
> >Windows 2000 and it's successors. Which for me are stable, trouble free,
> >support the hardware and software that I use on a day to day basis,
> >something that cannot be said for any current flavor of LINUX.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Nik Simpson
> >
>
> Raw lesson in economic necessary here!
Thanks for taking the time, but perhaps the time would have been better
devoted to understanding the subject yopurself before giving lessons to
others.
>
> If it's required that all corporations buy a new PC to conduct
> business under the W2k method of thinking, then the price
> rises from an upgrade price to at least $1,200 for a decent
> machine per user.
>
> If you have A company which is running Linux on last years
> Pentium II and using Gnome to conduct business, that company
> will be *more* profitable than the company who's thrown all
> their Pentium II's out to buy a new machine with W2k installed.
>
Not if you throw in the cost to retrain all the staff etc. If the economics
were so clear, it would have already happened., but in any real business
decision you take into account more than just raw hardware/software costs,
otherwise SUN would have been out of business years ago.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Date: 28 Jan 2001 19:50:17 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Mouse dead, XMMS stopped playing music. No key presses got me back to
>>the console. No network access (I mean I couldn't login, no telnet
>>etc.). So reboot.
> Running Mandrake 7.2 and the latest updates to kde, I was re booting
> more in a day with Linux than I ever did with Windows 95.
That, claire, is because youre an idiot. Why is it that youre the only
one around here who seems to have these problems?
Again with the choices, claire:
1. you are a moron
2. you are a liar
Pick one.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Another thing I've noticed.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:51:08 GMT
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:53:10 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie
Ebert) wrote:
>I have several Pentium III's but my portable is a 486 with 5 megs
>of ram running Debian 2.2 R2. Windows has sentenced this portable
>to death already.
>
>Yet amazingly, my FTP access is just as peppie as a new portable
>running W2k.
>
>It's the bloat inside with W2k I suspect.
I have some 8-bit AST 6-Pack cards laying around Charlie.
They have 384k memory a serial/parallel/game port and even a real time
clock. All on one 8 bit card!!
Sounds like a great match for Linux.
Interested?
I'll mail them to ya.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X Locks up; Hell PR rep says, 'Its getting cold down here'
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:52:49 +0000
Bones wrote:
>
> Whoa! It looks like I've had my first hard lock-up of X ever.
>
> (I can't kill X with Ctrl+Alt+BS, and Linux won't respond to the
> three finger salute
Just add
# Trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE
ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t3 -r now
to your /etc/inittab.
With linux anything is possible.
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From: "Richard J. Donovan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How long does your box run for?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:55:42 GMT
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From: "Richard J. Donovan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Late post (but new motto)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:04:14 GMT
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You just ruined the point of my nominally humorous post to another
thread in here. (If only you'd posted this yesterday.)
But thanks for the tip.
Tim wrote:
>
> Bones wrote:
> >
> > Whoa! It looks like I've had my first hard lock-up of X ever.
> >
>
> > (I can't kill X with Ctrl+Alt+BS, and Linux won't respond to the
> > three finger salute
>
> Just add
>
> # Trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE
> ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t3 -r now
>
> to your /etc/inittab.
>
> With linux anything is possible.
And that reminds me ... the motto of the State of Ohio, "With God All
Things Are Possible," has come under constitutional attack. Sparing you
the details, I wonder whether we're not onto something.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:09:10 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>> THOLEN!
>
> >> KULKIS!
>
> >>> 1) Get off your retarded ass...
>
> >> You're erroneously presupposing that I have a "retarded ass" to get
> >> off of, Kulkis.
>
> > You're sitting on it, retard.
>
> Still making the same erroneous presupposition, even after I called
> your attention to it.
>
> > Thank you for demonstrating that, in fact, you ARE A retarded piece of
> > shit.
>
> How ironic, coming from the person who is still making the same
> erroneous presupposition, even after having had his attention
> called to it.
Your failure to recognize truth doesn't constitute error on my part.
>
> >>> 2) Take your maggot-infested brain to the rim of Muana Loa
>
> >> You're erroneously presupposing that I have a "maggot-infested brain",
> >> Kulkis.
>
> > Hey, Tholen...here's a fucking clue...when someone offers you an
> > excuse for your stupidity...TAKE IT.
>
> Yet another erroneous presupposition involving my alleged stupidity.
Your failure to recognize truth doesn't constitute error on my part.
>
> > Since you deny having a maggot-infested brain, then I can only conclude
> > that you're stupidity is an inborn trait, rather than the result of
> > an unfortunate insect infestation.
>
> Still making the same erroneous presupposition.
Your failure to recognize truth doesn't constitute error on my part.
>
> >>> 3) JUMP IN THE GODDAMNED VOLCANO, ASSHOLE.
>
> >> Practice what you preach, Kulkis.
>
> > You're stupid shitsack
> > I'm not
>
> I'm not the one relying on foul language.
Just demonstrating my utter CONTEMPT for you, shit-head.
>
> > You are an utterly worthless piece of shit
> > I'm not
>
> I'm not the one relying on invective.
Just demonstrating my utter CONTEMPT for you, shit-head.
>
> > You can't hack it in the private sector,
>
> Prove it, if you think you can, Kulkis.
You've been hiding in academia ever since you left mom and dad's house.
Why is that?
>
> > so you hide in academia.
>
> Who is allegedly hiding, Kulkis?
You are, Mr @AntiSpam.ham.
>
> > I don't.
>
> You just change jobs every couple of years. I can understand why.
More often than that...Because people keep luring me away with higher
and higher salaries which I would foolish to ignore.
>
> > Your writings are not only tiresome, but utterly annoying to all who
> > have the misfortune to come across them
>
> Prove it, if you think you can, Kulkis.
So, Tholen disagrees that Tholen's writings are tiresome and utterly annoying.
Alert the media.
>
> > Mine aren't.
>
> On what basis do you make that claim? I've seen plenty of people
> complain about your tiresome sig.
Clue for the clueless...a .sig is NOT the body of a message.
Hope that helps
>
> > Hope that helps.
>
> It helps me identify more of your lies, Kulkis.
What lies would these be, shit-for-brains?
>
> >>> 4) RIGHT NOW! OXYGEN THIEF!
>
> >> After you.
>
> > What's wrong...too stupid to figure it how to accomplish the simple
> > task without using the "Monkey See--Monkey Do" method.???
>
> Not at all; I have something else in mind.
Namely, shit.
You should have a doctor remove that...or something.
>
> > No wonder you're scared shitless of leaving academia.
>
> Prove it, if you think you can, Kulkis.
You deny that you haven't spent the last decade hiding at your
university in Hawaii?
>
> > Goddamned miseserable shit for brains.
>
> Typical invective, as expected from someone who lacks a logical
> argument.
No...merely justifiable contempt for a miserable shit-head like you.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:12:18 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:43:14 +0000, Pete Goodwin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Ian Pulsford wrote:
> >
> >> You probably have a lock file in your /tmp directory you tool.
> >
> >Perhaps, but why didn't it say so?
> >
> >As in "lock file blah-blah locked" etc.
> >
> >I saw some error codes and was going to make a record of them later.
> >However... it's all working again. How bizarre.
>
> Because you didn't read the "Locked File How-To" that's why :)
There is no such thing of course, as usual flatfish is on drugs.
I've seen messages like this from mail clients, and they always
say something like "mail spool in use, if this is in error please
remove lock file /tmp/.408-jjs"
This has happened when a network problem occurs during
a mail download - following the instructions seemed to clear
it up.
jjs
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From: "Chris Clement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:15:52 -0600
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:951n60$lgu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bad goods? Exactly which products produced by Microsoft are bad? And
>
> Windows 9X are bad goods. They are unreliable and break easily. IMO, NT
> is not very good either. Look at the MTTF.
Haven't been around here long. What does "MTTF" stand for. And I have said
before, Linux is very reliable, until you put a GUI on it. Then it falls
far behind Windows in reliability.
> DOS was years behind the times.
Uh.......ok.
> Word was (I haven't tried the latest versions) buggy and unreliable, and
> ormatting was nothing short of a nightmare. Hell, even Notepad was bad
> (very limited file size).
I agree with you here. Word is a pain in the butt. Of course, I use it
regularly. Why? Nothing else out there.
> IE is a nasty mess (I don't care if netscape is bad too, that does nto
> make IE better).
Nasty mess? That's quite vague, isn't it?
> The lack of configurability and the remote admin capabilities of windows
> have been years behind (although I've been told that 2K has addressed
> some of these problems) decent OSs.
Quite correct. I can administer all my W2K servers using a terminal window.
I like VNC for Linux also. And I agree, this functionality has been missing
far too long.
> There is virtually no interpolability between MS products and other
> products, especially on other operating systems.
I looked up "interpolability". I don't think it is a word. Do you mean
portable? This is true for those other products as well. Microsoft often
has tools to convert those other products to its own format. Nothing stops
those other products from doing the same.
> Until recently, there was little interpolability between different MS
> osen. NT couldn't read FAT 32.
Again, I'm not sure what you are referring to in the word "interpolability".
The fact that NT could not read FAT 32 had little affect. Most used NT and
FAT 16. Not sure what you are getting at here.
> The example code provided by MS for DirectX is full of uneeded gotos.
Are you a programmer?
> None of the recent OSs have shipped with programming languages.
I think you mean they were not shipped with development tools. Most
consumers are not programmers. I do like the fact that Linux comes with
developement suites. Very nice.
> 98 was esentially a bugfix on 95. And they charged for it. Disgusting.
Actually, not true. The bugfixes were available for download for free.
>
> > which products are superior?
>
> Excel is not too bad. Powrepoint is OK for very dynamic presentations,
> but for less dynamic ones, there are nicer looking alternatives.
>
>
> > Linux is great as a server, but for the
>
> yep.
Hooray, we agree. :-)
> > consumer, forget it. Linux is light-years from being a consumer
> > product.
>
> That doesn't make MS products better. Besides, a modern preinstalled
> distro with some office package is fine for a consumer OS. Anyway, MacOS
> is a much better consumer product than any version of windows I've used.
Well, obviously I disagree on both counts. Mac is fine, but they simply do
not have the software base. It is definitely improving however. Linux is
just too hard and consumers do not have the patience.
>
> I still stick to what I've said: they sold me bad good in the past and
> expected me to pay to to get them fixed. I've taken my business
> elsewhere, just like I have with anyone else who has sold me dodgy goods.
To each his own. Cheers.
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:13:25 GMT
On 28 Jan 2001 19:50:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>Again with the choices, claire:
>
>1. you are a moron
>2. you are a liar
>
>Pick one.
Fact Abraxas.
Accept it and go on with your life.
>
>
>
>-----.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: GODDAMNED STINKING PIECE OF SHIT THOLEN
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:11:48 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>> 12 years of YOUR GODDAMNED POLLUTION ON USENET.
>
> >> Liar.
>
> > Are you contesting 12 years, or the assessment that you
> > contribute nothing to USENET other than an ENDLESS STREAM OF
> > the most GODAWFUL POLLUTION IN EVERY NEWSGROUP YOU INFEST.
>
> Both.
BzzzzzzzzzT! Wrong.
Try again, retard.
>
> >>> JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND JUMP IN THE GODDAMNED VOLCANO, YOU MISERABLE
> >>> SHIT SACK.
>
> >> Practice what preach, Kulkis.
>
> > THIS IS ABOUT *YOU*, THOLEN
>
> My response is about you, Kulkis.
The discussion is not about me, it's about YOU tholen.
Stay on subject, if you can, retard.
>
> >>> YOU ARE A GODDAMNED WASTE OF SKIN.
>
> >> How ironic.
>
> > YOU'RE AND OXYGEN THIEF, TOO.
>
> Classic ineffective invective. Not unexpected from someone who
> lacks a logical argument.
No...merely a display of my utter contempt for you.
>
> >>> Tholen, ***YOU***, personally, are 100% crap.
>
> >> How ironic.
>
> >>> Tholen admits that he's so goddamned stupid that he can't figure
> >>> it out himself.
>
> >> Liar.
>
> > THEN PROVIDE CONCLUSIVE PROOF THAT YOU CAN, IN FACT,
> > FIGURE OUT HOW TO JUMP INTO A VOLCANO YOURSELF WITHOUT
> > HAVING TO RESORT TO THE LOW-IQ "MONKEE SEE--MONKEY DO"
>
> Unnecessary, Kulkis.
Then why do you need a demonstrator, monkey-boy?
>
> > Then provide us with conclusive proof that you can, in fact,
> > figure out how to jump into Muana Loa, or any other active
> > volcano of your choosing, WITHOUT needing to resot to the
> > low-IQ "MONKEE SEE--MONKEE DO" method of instruction.
>
> Unnecessary, Kulkis.
Prove it.
>
> > Tholen, I'll bet you can't even picture in your mind what it would
> > be like to travel up to the peak, walk up to the precipice, and take
> > the plunge.
>
> You lose the bet, Kulkis.
Prove it.
>
> > No...because to even imagine such a thing would require a modicum
> > of intelligence...something which you are severely lacking.
>
> Prove it, if you think you can, Kulkis.
Your posting history speaks for itself.
>
> > In the mean time, do the world a fucking favor, Tholen
>
> I'm trying to do just that right now, Kulkis, but you won't pay
> attention.
Then follow through and go become one with Muana Loa.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:13:21 +0000
Chris Clement wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chris Clement wrote:
> > >
> > > Bad goods? Exactly which products produced by Microsoft are bad?
> >
> > Office (big, bloated, breaks all apps which depend on file formats each
> new
> > version.), Windows (9x,ME,NT,2K) (unstable, unreliable, big, bloated),
> dogs
> > (obvious), encarta (inaccurate, incomplete, and poor grammar), Project
> > (crashes, clumsy), etc.
>
> I've used Office since 95, don't recall any problems. Although I have not
> had the chance to load StarOffice or one of the other Linux "office" apps,
> I understand from non-zealot Linux users that they are still lacking in
> features. Office is "bloated"? No, not at all. Just has more in it. And
> I totally disagree about Windows. Windows is as reliable as the hardware it
> is installed on.
And Linux is at least 10x more reliable under the same hardware.
> If you buy poor quality hardware, in either, you will have
> an unstable system. Buy a Dell with Windows and you will have a stable
> system. Unfortunately for Linux, its GUI needs more work before it reaches
> Windows' level of stability.
The GUI has nothing to do with the underlying OS. Linux is not a GUI, it
is
an OS. Agreed, the GUI needs more work before it can cope with the
population
of computer ileretate trolls which Micro$hite has dumped on us.
> > > And which
> > > products are superior?
> >
> > None, nada, zip.
>
> Actually, I was asking which products were superior to Microsoft. I take it
> you meant none are superior than Linux.
>
> > > Linux is great as a server, but for the consumer,
> > > forget it. Linux is light-years from being a consumer product.
> >
> > I disagree, Linux is no less a consumer application than is Win2K, only
> Linux
> > is more stable and less expensive.
>
> Less expensive? Sure. Consumer application? You've got to be kidding.
> Lack of software, much more complex operating system. You need to realize
> that consumers don't care about the OS itself. They just want the apps that
> use the operating system. And the majority of the apps for Linux require
> you to understand the command line. Not so with Windows. Give a consumer
> the choice between typing "tar -vxf filename" or knowing what rpm is and
> sticking a CD in and clicking a button a couple of times and Linux will lose
> every time. I do believe there is hope, but right now Linux is far behind.
>
> Chris
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux!
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:15:49 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:z%Tc6.5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > This is too funny! MS has outsourced its DNS to a company servers
are
> > > > using a "networking implementation very similar to that of Linux."
> > > >
> > Yeah, right. Like MS only owns one building and that building has only
> > one free room. Perhaps they only have one phone line too. So, I'm
> > suppose to trust my business to a company too cheap to rent a closet in
> > New York or Florida?
>
> More than 95% of MS technical buildings are all in the Seattle area.
>
> Have you any idea how long it takes to get a new T3 or OC connection
> installed? Call up your local phone company and ask. Typically it takes
> 3-6 months, if you're VERY lucky. This is not something MS could have had
> done in 3 or 4 days, no matter how much money they threw at it. The
Akamai
> servers are extra redunancy, that's it.
All they needed was an offsite secondary DNS. Most places either have
their ISP provide one or trade off with someone of similar capacity. Of
course that means you have to follow standards....
Still, they could have handled it themselves by parking their own server
at any of the thousands of places that rent internet co-location space and
bandwidth (rackspace, exodus, etc.) and a bundle of money could likely
have one of those up in an afternoon. I think the real lack here is
expertise. Why would anyone who understands the standards for
network interoperability be working for Microsoft? It would just
be to painful to endure.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Chris Clement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:18:45 -0600
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chris Clement wrote:
> > W2K is much more stable in an GUI environment.
>
> lol, you can say that, you can believe that, but that does not make it
true.
> 120 day MTTF proves that this statement is false.
Don't have to believe it. I know it. I use both quite regularly.
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