Linux-Advocacy Digest #866, Volume #29 Thu, 26 Oct 00 15:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! (2:1)
Re: Help for new Linux users (Murray Eisenberg)
Re: KDE2.0 released! (mitch)
Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Hello Claire, someone needs help from you ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Pro Microsoft letter bounty (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Another one for you, Claire, sweetheart ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Relax")
Re: Hello again Claire ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: And another one, Claire, sweetie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Claire, please ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sorry, Claire, but this is urgent ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Relax")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Relax")
Re: Windows 2000 challenges GNOME/KDE
Re: Debian vs RedHat/Mandrake (Ian Pulsford)
Re: Windows 2000 challenges GNOME/KDE ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Another one for you, Claire, sweetheart (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linux Beats NT! ("anneluca")
Re: Debian vs RedHat/Mandrake (Ian Pulsford)
Re: hardware problem (Thing)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:20:28 +0100
Paul 'Z' Ewande© wrote:
>
> "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message news:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> <SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
>
> > Besides, Windows can't see my CDRW (thinks it's a CDR). So I guess it
>
> What difference does that makes for the OS ? It's the burning program who
> cares.
I know that. i was just illustrating to Chad that, unlike his claim,
windows is not necessarily better than Linux at H/W detection.
> > isn't perfect.
>
> Sure it isn't.
...
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Murray Eisenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.imux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help for new Linux users
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:38:52 GMT
Bless you for saying this!
I'm not in a position to help very much yet, as I'm quite new to Linux
myself. And in that position I _really_ appreciate what you say. But
I've been at computing for 45 years now (starting with assemply language
on a Univac I). And I actually DO read printed and electronic
documentation very carefully. However, the documentation for Linux is
often much too complicated, involves too many assumptions about the
reader's level of expertise, and/or involves long chains of references
to other documentation that leaves my head, at least, spinning.
Ken Schrock wrote:
>
> I am a Linux user and advocate...
> I am a former Windows user myself...
> I want to help other Windows users convert to Linux.
> I feel that this forum and others like it are poorly suited to this
> purpose.
> Most Windows users don't read manuals and aren't programmers and
> therefore...
> Answers like "RTFM", "Have you read the FAQs?", and "Just re-compile the
> kernel"...
> Are not good answers for Windows users trying Linux for the first time.
> This isn't helpful, feels like an attack, and drives these folks away...
>
> Which is not good for Linux in the short term or long run....
--
Murray Eisenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mathematics & Statistics Dept. phone 413 549-1020 (H)
Univ. of Massachusetts 413 545-2859 (W)
Amherst, MA 01003-4515
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mitch)
Subject: Re: KDE2.0 released!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:48:54 GMT
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:43:10 GMT, sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> Depends on the 'theme' being used, as many use custom modules which
>> *may* be buggy. Using the default theme, and tinkering around with
>> that is more stable than the ms shell, and a darn sight more
>> responsive as well.
>
>
>Personaly, I don't have time to figure out what "theme" may be buggy and
>what may not. BTW, if all they are are "themes", you missed my point way
>back. The advantages of different windows managers in linux are many,
>but what seems to be most important to many people is the amount of
>features added. Many like the lean, fast windows managers, while I
>preffer to have a more full featured WM, on my desktop computer, even at
>the cost of performance. From what I can tell, the "themes" of windows
>do not really address these types of issues, and are for the most part,
>window dressing.
>
They are not just themes in the sense you inferred, they are all
varied in look *and* feel, where custom modules, interfacing
paradigms, etc.. can all be added or removed, giving you all the
usualy wm features you want, or turning most of them off to leave you
with a lean window manager. Vis they are not just window dressing,
but affect the whole way you interact with the computer.
Once more you have restricted your arguments to the litestep shell
replacement, and, whilst this can be programmed to mimic many of the
usual linux interfaces (gnome, kde, etc...), it is not the only shell
replacement out there. Many of the others offer a great deal more
flexibility and features - at the expense of stability due to their
maturity.
--
Smileys are nothing but conceptual wheelchair ramps for the humor impaired.
- Geoff Miller
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:04:55 GMT
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 03:35:47 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>The #1 bitch of Wintrolls is no support for Linux.
>And yet you managed to install it on an unframiliar
>laptop and get it running in just an hour or so.
>
>With the help of people from COLA yet!
I've been called worse :)
But yes, you guys did help me out, and I dropped off the laptop last
night during the World Series (GO METS!!!).
Claire
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello Claire, someone needs help from you
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:08:16 GMT
I don't run 2000 server, but Admin. Tools->Connection manager Admin.
Kit seems like a good place to start along with the Event Viewer. If
it's every 5 minute it should be easy to find.
claire
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:53:39 +0000, Jacques Guy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Read on comp.windows.misc:
>
>> I've a Windows 2000 Server with 2 windows 2000 Clients. Every 5 minutes
>> one of the machines connects to the Internet (I don't know which one).
>> How can I turn that off?
>
>Win2000 rocks, sweetie. Give the fellow a hand, will you, you are SOOOO
>knowledgeable.
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pro Microsoft letter bounty
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:16:30 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Timothy Miller wrote:
> >
> > In today's WSJ "Washington WIre" column it says that Microsoft is
> > paying a bounty for pro-Microsoft letters and calls through Republican
> > Ralph Reed's lobbying firm. A letter to a Congressman from a mayor or
> > local party official is said to be worth $200 while an op-ed piece in
> > a local paper is worth 500 bucks! Wonder what a Usenet Post is worth?
> > I would guess about 2 cents -- maybe we should ask Dressed-in-Black.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Translation: Goth Loser.
Drestin is too pro-corporate mainstream to be goth.
--
Salvador Peralta
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.la-online.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Another one for you, Claire, sweetheart
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:15:12 GMT
It's broke.
claire
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:00:33 +0000, Jacques Guy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Windows ME this time, but I am sure you know the answer
>to the poor fellow's predicament. Here:
>
>> Anyone out there having a problem with screensaver not coming on while
>> connected to the internet? It will come on when I am not online but I
>> have to hit preview for it to come on while I am online. Any help would
>> be appreciated. What a pain to have to manually apply the screensaver
>> everytime I walk away from the pc.
>> Thanks!!!
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From: "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 26 Oct 2000 11:16:15 -0500
"Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I will check GDI vs. Ghostscript on my printer at work to compare speeds.
It's not exactly comparable. What you should try is write a small app that
draw something on screen, then use the same code to draw the same thing on
paper.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello again Claire
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:21:30 GMT
He has programs running in the background like a screensaver.
Run msconfig and remove the check boxes from the following:
Load Startup group items
Processs system.ini File
Process Config.sys File
Process Autoexec.bat File
Process Winstart.bat
Process Win.ini File
Reboot and run the defrag. How long it takes depends on the type of
drive and how badly it is fragmented.
After it is done, run msconfig again and check the Normal startup box
and reboot.
claire
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:03:12 +0000, Jacques Guy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi
>> I have a brand new Pentium III 800 mzh, 64 RAM running WIN ME
>> How long should it take to run Defrag
>> I have a 30 Gig hard drive
>> It took 4 hours is that normal and is it supposed to keep restarting
>> over and over.
>
>Give the chap a hint, won't you darling?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: And another one, Claire, sweetie
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:21:43 GMT
See above
claire
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:05:42 +0000, Jacques Guy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>A chap commenting on defrag taking 4 hours on a 30 Gig hard disk:
>
>> That happens with me sometimes, and I have had more trouble with
>> ME than 98.
>
>Come on, sweetheart, give the sod your usual "Dork"!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Claire, please
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:22:06 GMT
See above.
claire
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:08:17 +0000, Jacques Guy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Wow! It rocks, doesn't it, darling?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sorry, Claire, but this is urgent
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:22:26 GMT
A little more information might help.
claire
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:10:38 +0000, Jacques Guy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> After trying unsuccessfully to install a MIDI cable, WIN 2000 would no
>> longer boot.
>
>Yeah, mebbe it doesn't boot, but it rocks all right, doesn't it
>luv?
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From: "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 26 Oct 2000 11:29:17 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8t83qo$fld$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <39f76a1d$0$32632$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8t52ve$v5p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > These memory drawing surfaces are not really used for things like
> device
> > > independant printing. Printing is generally done via PostScript and
> for
> > > non poscript devices the 'driver' is basically a usermode program
> that
> > > takes postscript input and generates binary output for the given
> device.
> >
> > That's one of the main points here:
>
> Is that what was being argued here? I thought it was about the breakup
> of Xlib/X versus the windows terminal server model.
Not really. It was more or less about the need to have GDI, a graphic
subsystem, on a server computer and also about the fact that parts of GDI
runs in kernel mode.
> As you said yourself with win2k server you need a
> win2k client to actually use server side drivers.
Actually, NT does it too. Win9x currently renders locally and pushes bits.
> > One of the beauties of Windows it that you can easily do truly device
> > independent rendering out of the box
// snip
> Yes this is nice in theory but it doesn't always work correctly.
// snip
> NT4, NT5, 95, 95OSR2, 98, 98SE, ME -- they all
> have their little quirks you have to program around.
Hmm, probably the same (or worse?) across different flavors of Unix.
// snip
> Linux is so flexible and I have used it to do things I could _NEVER_ do
> with NT.
I'm very happy for you.
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From: "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 26 Oct 2000 11:37:06 -0500
"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Relax wrote:
> > OK, but what if you are assembling things in memory, or apply transforms
or
> > whatever in your app code? Do you have to do it pixel by pixel with a
> > network round trip for each pixel? (I hope not :)
> No, you tell the server to do the transform. Or you do the whole thing
> locally and then send the pixmap to the server.
Now I see. So if you are writing, say, a paint program, you'll have to
maintain a lot of things on the app side (the drawing surface, the realized
(i.e. device-dependent) brushes, pens, fonts, everything you need to draw)
then manipulate your pixmap locally and periodically send it to the X server
for display. If I understand correctly, you are just implementing a lot of
things at the app level because there is no real graphic subsystem that you
can just use to provide such services. The Windows scenario is much simpler
because GDI is there and you just call it as usual.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 challenges GNOME/KDE
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:37:33 GMT
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:32:39 -0400, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Another self proclaimed "IT expert" in cola rambled....
>
>---Speaking authoritatively on Win2K--
>
>> > Only had to reboot twice, both times due
>> > to conflict from newly installed
>> > hardware devices.
>>
>> Pretty much the norm. Also adding third party software, especially
>> NT software that hasn't specifically been updated to run on W2K can
>> be an adventure. And if you run Office 95 or Office 97, you'll have
>> to upgrade to Office 2000.
>
>What are you talking about? This is more FUD. You're telling me that if I
>have Office 97 on my PC and upgrade to win2K, I'll have to upgrade to office
>2000?
>Funny, I'm running office 97 on a w2k machine right now and it RUNS FINE.
>Why is it I'll have to upgrade again???? Man o man. This place (cola) is an
>aholes paradise.
>
>
You don't even know what third part software is! Hint: it isn't from the
company that sells the operating system.
Fucking moron.
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 04:01:50 +1000
From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian vs RedHat/Mandrake
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tim Hanson wrote:
> >
> > > Charlie Ebert wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:22:16 GMT,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
> > > > > Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
<snip>
> > > > FreeBSD is limited on hardware support where Linux practically
> > > > supports everything Windows does today. There is little left
> > > > Linux doesn't support.
Not that limited. It just doesn't support much new fancy stuff, like TV
cards.
> > > > FreeBSD just has that hangup BSD license which would theoretically
> > > > allow BSDI to close the source and that's why I don't trust it.
> > > >
> > > > Linux uses GNU/GPL and you can trust that license.
> > > >
> > > > It's just that simple.
The way I understand it the FreeBSD license (copyright) allows you to modify
the source code, compile it, distribute it as binary and not include the
source code (unlike the GPL), but you must include the FreeBSD copyright
with it. There is no hint anywhere that BSDI or anyone else reserves the
right to close the source. If they tried they'd just create another BSD
splinter.
<snip>
> Can BSD be clustered like beowulf linux?
Yes. 32 dual processor machines were clustered to create the special
effects for 'The Matrix'.
IanP
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 challenges GNOME/KDE
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:01:22 GMT
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:37:33 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>You don't even know what third part software is! Hint: it isn't from the
^^^^^
>company that sells the operating system.
>
>Fucking moron.
What happened to the other 2 parts? <BG>!!
claire
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Another one for you, Claire, sweetheart
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:22:17 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jacques Guy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:00:33 +0000
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>Windows ME this time, but I am sure you know the answer
>to the poor fellow's predicament. Here:
>
>> Anyone out there having a problem with screensaver not coming on while
>> connected to the internet? It will come on when I am not online but I
>> have to hit preview for it to come on while I am online. Any help would
>> be appreciated. What a pain to have to manually apply the screensaver
>> everytime I walk away from the pc.
>> Thanks!!!
Considering I'm not claire, I'm probably out of bounds, but my guess
would be that the screensaver system is probably paying attention
to all interrupts, not just the keyboard and/or mouse. This
may be configurable.
(The original user isn't clear as to his Internet connection;
is s/he using serial, a builtin DSL modem, or an Ethernet card
connected to an external router?)
Interesting, my system running Redhat 6.0 has the reverse
problem; the screen saver kicks on after about 10 minutes if
I use nothing but the mouse (motion and buttons). Part of this
might be related to the specific XFree86 implementation, of course
(XFree86-S3-3.3.3.1-49, according to rpm), and the screensaver I
use (the "blank" one, and it also shuts down the monitor as well,
although I forget where I specified these options).
Slightly annoying, but more or less harmless.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: "anneluca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Beats NT!
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:47:45 +0200
". From the shocking reputation NT has for scalabilty, realiabilty and
> security,
are you talking about www.tcp.org ( abenchmark created by unix vendors)
where w2k got the world record ?
our web site ( with w2k) is up and running since december 99. Please, be
serious...
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 04:34:20 +1000
From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian vs RedHat/Mandrake
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> > El mar, 24 oct 2000, Charlie Ebert escribió:
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:22:16 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
> > >> Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
> > >>
<snip>
> > >FreeBSD just has that hangup BSD license which would theoretically
> > >allow BSDI to close the source and that's why I don't trust it.
> >
> > You know, BSDi can not do such a thing at all. BSDi can stop publishing their
> > own version of BSD (which is not FreeBSD anyway), but they can't stop you or me
> > from publishing our own.
> >
> > The danger of source-closing is greatly exaggerated, usually by the FSF for
> > political purposes, I believe.
> >
> > --
> > Roberto Alsina
Exactly, such an attempt would likely just cause another BSD splinter into free and
not free versions and I'd continue to buy the free version.
> Well, I take their commentary with a grain of salt anyway.
>
> But when Apple builds Mac OSX on top of FreeBSD and the
> copyright's it, there's PROOF right there. Don't know what
> else we really need here. They took a free BSD project and
> via it's license turned into proprietary code.
>
> But they still don't have the POWER nor the TRUST of the
> GNU and their GPL license.
>
> IBM will NEVER dump code their way. HP will NEVER dump code
> their way.
Perhaps not under the FreeBSD copyright, if other companies could snaffle it up. But
FreeBSD does use a tiny bit of GPLed code too, namely the code for floating point
emulation (they have their own but recommend the GPLed stuff because it's better).
Who uses CPUs without FPUs these days anyway? There is no reason you can't write
programs for FreeBSD with a GPL license- much if not most of the ports collection is
GPLed software.
It can be argued that FreeBSD is freer than Linux/GNU because there are fewer
restrictions on the source code (ie. it need not be included or made available with a
binary release). This very point could make it more attractive to developers of
propritary software. The purpose of the GPL is to keep the source open and free.
The purpose of the FreeBSD copyright appears to be just to stop others wrongfully
claiming the software to originate from elsewhere. One aim of the FreeBSD project
would seem to be to provide quality source code that can be used free of restrictions
such as the GPL imposes.
> Linux is developed by about 200,000 people.
>
> FreeBSD's scope is much smaller. I'd guess under 500 people
> actually work on it.
>
> Charlie
Anyone can send in a contribution but only the core team/committers can commit it to
the source tree.
IanP
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From: Thing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: nz.comp
Subject: Re: hardware problem
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:47:41 +1300
i have a promise ata100 on board, that does need drivers maybe promises's controller
is proprietry therefore it cant be used by rh linux ata66 drivers?
Thing
TEX wrote:
> Correct me if im wrong but from memory the BX2000+ is a Gigabyte board,
> and doesn't it come with a whole buch of drivers and crap to get it to
> work with ATA66???? It's a BX chipset with a promise ATA66 ide on it
> (something like that). From memory it has 6 (or was it 8) ide ports....
>
> Drivers????
>
> TEX
>
> Thing wrote:
> >
> > none wrote:
> >
> > > small problem, I have a new 30G ATA66 Drive, with a new BX2000+ motherboard.
> >
> > Are you using an ata66 cable? flashed to the latest BIOS? if not flash first.
> >
> > Set the motherboard to mode 4, (turn off udma support in the bios) and install
> > RH, after that download a ready made ata66 2.2.16-3 img kernel.rpm from
> > ftp.redhat.co.nz (under updates for 6.2). Install it, set the m/b to ata66 and
> > boot.
> >
> > What make is BX2000+ ? it doesnt ring a bell with me, some of the unbranded m/bs
> > are nightmares to try and get going support for the latest standards like ata 66
> > can be a joke, does win2k run OK? maybe take it back and get something decent if
> > its a no-name.
> >
> > > Redhat 6.2 didnt like ATA66, so I switched off the ATA66 support, and moved
> > > the drive to plain IDE (ATA33), which for some reason the drive doesnt boot
> > > even with w2k or lilo on the MBR. I was intending use RH6.2, and upgrade to
> > > 2.4-test-xx, too support ATA66. I have 21G for Windows 2000, and 9G for
> > > Linux (8.5G Linux/500Mb Swap)
> >
> > How much ram do you have? 120 swap matched to 128 meg of ram is usually enough
> > for most things.
> >
> > I would suggest setting / (root) at 1 gig as hda1 as the first partition then 21
> > gig for Win2k then use up 8.5 as follows, 3.5 for /usr. 1 gig for /var the rest
> > as /home.
> >
> > > but the problem, if i switch the drive back
> > > the ATA33 slot, install linux, how could I get W2K installed knowing that
> > > the drive wont boot from it.
> > > What I want is ATA66, Linux and W2K, working together, either with lilo or
> > > W2K bootloader.
> > >
> > > btw i dont wanna buy/download the latest version of any distro. Rh6.2 is
> > > good.
> >
> > RH 7 is buggy as hell avoiding for now is a good idea.
> >
> > Thing
>
> --
> \|||/
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:38:13 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That's quite odd because the combined
> statistics of all web sites (566,000
> of them) using thecounter.com's counter
> shows Linux OS users to be about
> "0%" out of 458,991,203 combined visitors last month. Hmm...
> September 2000
> 1. Win 98 303539944 (66%)
> 2. Win 95 76819732 (16%) (WINE anyone?)
> 3. Win NT 34527360 ( 7%)
> 4. Win 2000 15454715 ( 3%)
> 10. Win 3.x 755419 ( 0%)
5. Unknown 12760235 ( 2%) This is actually Linux (SQUID, Lynx...)
> 8. Linux 1373239 ( 0%)
> 9. Unix 888184 ( 0%) Also Linux and robots
Total= 15021658 ( 3%)
What is counted.
> And note that numbers of Linux users are actually DOWN 11% from July
2000
> even though total visitors are up by 9.5% (43 million).
>
> Now lets look at July 2000 502483035
>
> 1. Win 98 318538810 (63%)
> 2. Win 95 101594073 (20%)
> 3. Win NT 41047771 (8%)
> 4. Win 2000 11423496 (2%)
> 5. Unknown 11038874 (2%) Linux variants/squid
> 8. Linux 1543963 (0%)
> 9. Unix 1214391 (0%)
Total 13797228 (2.7%)
Growth
Sept= 15021658
July= 13797228
Growth= 1224430
Not bad. 1.2 million new Linux users. It's a start :-).
Allowing for the fact that Linux-friendly ISPs use IP Chaining
to fold multiple IP addresses into a single address. Sufficient
to say that the number would be closer to 3-4 times the number
shown by thecounter. Keep in mind that thecounter public survey
results only count the last os-type used on each sampled IP address.
Other factors include dual-boot systems (Linux as secondary), WINE,
and secondary desktop/servers accessed through X11 or VNC.
This would put the Linux population at around 45-60 million,
with growth at 2-3 million per month.
> http://www.thecounter.com/stats/
Thank you for providing these statistics, it helps us all keep track.
--
Rex Ballard - I/T Architect, MIS Director
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 10/23/00)
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